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Maybe it will help everyone concentrate better on the task at hand.

I read the bill and this conspiracy theory sounds as wacky as the conspiracy nuts who claimed various facilities were being built by Dick Cheney and Haliburton as concentration camps and being transported on thousand of mysterious train cars - after Bush-Cheney declared martial law to stay in power, of course.

Theres enough real crap going on in the Obama administration to worry about without going completely off the rails.

Start rounding people up and watch what happens...I dare you.

I agree with the above comment that this falls into the realm of conspiracy theory. This bill appears to place restrictions on military recruitment and retention only. Its definition of a hate group appears to be broad enough that it might extend to such groups as the Nation of Islam. So, while I am not crazy about the concept, the bill does appear to target the right and the left equally.

Doesn't FEMA already have camps like this? Is this duplication or supplementation? They gonna feature gas chambers and ovens? Whatever happened to "nie wieder"? These guys seem to WANT a bloody revolution so they can have an excuse to suppress it. Be careful what you ask for...

The bill is loosely worded. DHS will be in charge of setting these campsites up, and we already know how they feel about conservatives. Worst, Obama gets to decide what an "emergency" is.

Americans continue to arm themselves
http://www.smallgovtimes.com/2009/07/americans-continue-to-arm-themselves/

Why should Americans be afraid of obama?

I thought the goverment was supposed to fear it's people.

After all, people put that nut into office, they can take him out!

Anonymous, I have to say the whole thing sounded exaggerated. No time to read the bill right now, so could you elaborate?

Thanks.

OT, but do you ever wonder what sorts of conversations Pelosi and Hastings have?

"Uh, sorry about voting for your impeachment, Alcee,"

"Hey, no harm, no foul, Nancy. How about making me chairman of the House Intelligence Committee?"

Why shouldn't we fear jomama? He doesn't fear us. Can we indeed take him out of office? Under martial law, which he can declare at any time, there need be no elections. Oops. Yeah, Bush could have done the same thing BUT HE DIDN'T. Maybe jomama won't. Maybe.

Oh and I continued to arm myself last week; need to pick up some .40S&W now.

Get your tinfoil hats on, here come the concentration camps.

Do you guys ever run your ideas by friends or family who are not obsessed w/ politics so that they can tell you how crazy they are? Becasue clearly you just egg each other on all the way to the loony bin, i.e. claiming dems are setting up concentration camps, or that Obamam will refuse to leave office, etc.

Didn't you guys say all of the same things about Clinton? Didn't your doppelgangers on the left say the exact same things about Bush?

I know it's difficult and sensationalism-free to actually wade through the minutia of policy making and have something useful (not mention sane) to say, but you ought to give it a shot occasionally. AS a consolation, it's a lot better for the country.

And make sure you use 2-ply aluminum foil: the Obama administration has perfected getting their mind reading technology through one layer.

Well brs coming from a man of tin foil wearing experience we'll have to take your word on the 2-ply issue.

I just read the amendment, and it is a total piece of shit. it even includes racism, or "other bigotry
ideologies. And it gives the power to the attorney General to define these. It also has some mention to the military. It is the usual alcee hastings hate mongering bullshit. When are they going to put the black (punk) that smashed my drivers window out and threatened me with a knife into a reeducation camp? Thank God I got the colt up in time and made the prick shit hisself. Now I have to go to court when the piece has his day to make sure they lock his ass up real good. Yeah right.

Conspiracy? Thats what the European Jews said in 1929

Did it ever cross the minds of these insane bastards that there might be a day when then they are out and conservatives are in? Maybe just in time to use all these new rules and barb wire encampment to LOCK THEM UP?

It will come in very handy--don't do anything except use the nice vicious tools that they have so carefully prepared--ON THEM!!!

It's too bad i cant arm myself.

I'm working getting my handgun permit/license, but i dont think i can legally buy a gun because im a minor.

After reading the 1st bill I didn't get the concentration camp vibe from it, but the second bill dealing with leting the department of justice label people or groups as "terrorist" is very disturbing concidering the department of home land security view on conservatives and libertarians.
Not a fan I will be watching / I don't like the feeling that I can't trust this gov. at all.
Also it would appear that the govenor of Texas has been labeled a terrorist.

I would engage your arguments but I don't need to - you'll all be in concentration camps before this time next year, so what's the point?

brs you keep forgetting that we're armed and you're not. SUCKER!!

Actually, I don't see FArmer Ted on the list, so I will reply:

You say that the gov't is setting up concentration camps (et al nonsense if you believe any of the other posts on this blog), but I'm wearing the tinfoil helmet?

I just can't tell whether deep down you guys all know that you're full of shit, and this is just entertainment to you, or you really believe in the bigger claims of this blog: that you'll all be wisked away to concentration camps (that may turn into death camps) so that Obama and dem party can instill a Nazi/communist takeover of the US.

And I'm CRAZY for NOT believing this tripe? Please.

"brs you keep forgetting that we're armed and you're not. SUCKER!!"

Oh, threats. Great. Now I believe.

What about UFOs? Black helicopters? Alternative medicine, chiropractic, the Bildeburger *sp?) conspiracy, ghosts, fibromayalgia, ID, - what other nonsense do you guys just believe in the absence of any sort of good evidence?

Geez brs you are on big wuss. I merely pointed out that we are armed and you are not. That's not a threat it's a fact. I also stated that your expertise on tin foil hats is well known and we would have to take you for your word on the subject. I also didn't say anything about concentration camps either. Talk about being paranoid,you take the cake.

Anonymous and brs have now officially moved up from Moonbat status to "Flatliners".

I personally now call them 'flatliners', not only because they believe in both ends of the 'culture of death', but because when presented with a thousand dots and asked to connect them into a picture, they always end up with a flat line.

A single isolated meaningless dot (a Alcee Hastings bill for instance) is merely a vapid iota of idle information. Or is it? History connects the dots and forms the greatest picture, and is our consummate art teacher.

When we reflect on the past, we see an entire nation focused on Neville Chamberlain, a flatliner. Not until a great artist came along to connect the dots was that nation spared its appointment with the culture of death.

Thank you Winston Churchill

I don't understand why the Department of Homeland Security would need Emergency Centers whose purpose is:

"(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and"

as I'd thought such emergency facilities and "emergency and major disaster" relief were under the authority of some other Federal agency. Is Emergency and Major Disaster Relief under the authority of the Department of Homeland Security?

The fourth bullet on the use of the centers:

"(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security."

"What about UFOs? Black helicopters? Alternative medicine, chiropractic, the Bildeburger *sp?) conspiracy, ghosts, fibromayalgia, ID, - what other nonsense do you guys just believe in the absence of any sort of good evidence?"

What about historical precedent?

I seem to remember reading somewhere about the U.S. government within the last 100 years rounding up a bunch of American citizens and forcing them into concentration camps under the auspice of national security.

UFO's? Can't tell ya. Black Helicopters? Seen 'em, but don't know about 'em. Alternative medicine? Mostly quackery. Chiropractic? Been to one, seemed to help some, but moved on. Bildeburger (yanno, I don't know how to spell that either) doesn't seem like much to me. Ghosts? No way. Fibromyalgia? Seems kinda farfetched.

Kind of a free-thinker, I guess.

Now, believing that jomama could be a fascist... yanno it's a possibility. Follow the patterns. I'm preparing for it. If I'm wrong, I'm out some cash. If I'm right... it could be a bad scene. Either way, I'd rather be prepared than not. It could make the difference even in any other crisis.

RE: Posted by: son of a preacher man at July 6, 2009 2:08 PM

Son Of A Preacher Man makes the observation, "I seem to remember reading somewhere about the U.S. government within the last 100 years rounding up a bunch of American citizens and forcing them into concentration camps under the auspice of national security."

Funny thing about that, PreacherMan: Ever notice that all we ever hear about is the Japanese internment camps? You never hear about the thousands of Germans that were sent to camps up in places like "progressive" Minnesota during WW2.

After all, if we acknowledge the blonde haired blue eyed German-Americans that were persecuted in the name of "National Security", the political Left wouldn't be able to shout "Raaacist!" every time the Japanese internment camps are mentioned.

I was really disappointed in Ken Burns' PBS documentary "The War" for picking Rock County, MN as a point on his compass, but totally ignoring what went on there.

Kevin R -- FEMA is part of the DHS.

This might seem a tad far fetched, but if Eric Holder is to deem what is an "emergency", that doesn't make me feel too comfortable. Good thing I own guns.

Dude, nothing about Eric Holder makes me feel comfortable. I feel the same way about Joe Biden.

Wow, this is like 2000-2008 all over again.

How are you guys any different from the freaks that claimed Bush and Cheney were doing the same thing?

Amazing.

Who are the moonbats now?

The dipshit is talking apples and bananas (again).

I hate to say it, but I agree with Chris. This bill is no biggie, despite its provenance.

This demacreep should be sent to the SPICENINES OF KESSEL,ELBA II or THE DEVILS ASTEROID for the rest of his life is is a lowdown traitor sidewinder

Obongo fluffer- "Wow, this is like 2000-2008 all over again. How are you guys any different from the freaks that claimed Bush and Cheney were doing the same thing?"

The "guys" that claimed that "Bushitler" and "CheneyCo." claimed that they were "Fascists". However, neither of them were NSDAP or Fascist Party members, the Republicans were not directed by a Fascist Party, nor were there any Congressmen that were even connected to a Fascist Party.

Boston Red- "I just can't tell whether deep down you guys all know that you're full of shit, and this is just entertainment to you, or you really believe in the bigger claims of this blog: that you'll all be wisked away to concentration camps (that may turn into death camps) so that Obama and dem party can instill a Nazi/communist takeover of the US."

Obongo doesn't have to "instill"(wtf?) a communist takeover. It's already been done. The Kenyan-Indonesian Mack Daddy is a fully accredited extreme left socialist with decades of communist affiliations, connections and has the backing of the CPUSA. The "Progressive" Caucus represents the Socialist International. There are dozens of communist party members, "ex" communists, and communist representatives in Congress. The Democrats have passed the tipping point and are no longer implementing communist policies by stealth, they are doing it openly. The USA has moved into the Great Britain zone, and is headed toward South Africa and Rhodesia. The Federal directives are in place, the legislation is in place, the intention has been clearly stated- yet one is expected to simply take the assurances of "liberals" (aka socialists), that the Dear Leader will magically buck historical precedent, and NOT do what communists do best? "Just trust the communist party"? What is the status of communists in all of this? Why would those with such an ideology be exempt from measures that apply to ordinary citizens? Why are the obstacles to their entry into public service and government being lifted? Regardless of what one believes, or merely suspects, the Trotskyists, Maoists and Leninists in the White House and Congress will, or won't do, historical precedent, of which there is an abundance, has a tendency to trump all other cards. You don't know a damn thing about the subject of communism. Being instructed by lefty maggots at school and pumping fists at placard keggers doesn't count. Try some 1st hand experience.

We have nothing to fear as long as we keep our Congresscritters under a very sharp eye. Alas the people of Florida's 23rd district elected convict Alcee Hastings. So it falls to others to guard against him.

This proposed legislation puts these camps on active or closed military sites under the control of DHS and not specifically FEMA.

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2009/04/dhs-macht-frei.html

2010/2012/2013; choose your revolution
vote/vote/fight

Here is a map showing the locations of all the known FEMA camps.

http://ahrcanum.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/femamaps.jpg

Here is a location in Georgia where FEMA coffins are stored...

http://www.infobomber.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/coffin-field.jpg

Here is a FEMA coffin up close...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pbuNEkKZShs/SGnHlNhH4GI/AAAAAAAAApc/IblJY2i9-e0/s320/Coffine-liners-close-up.jpg

Now do you believe it?

That’s ok… not like this hasn’t been worked on for a while
www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

Civilian Inmate Labor Program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Inmate_Labor_Program
The Civilian Inmate Labor Program is a program of the United States Army provided by Army Regulation 210-35[1]. The regulation, first drafted in 1997, underwent a "rapid act revision" in January 2005; it provides policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps on Army installations. The labor would be provided by persons under the supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
The regulation states that labor programs benefit the Army and the corrections facilities by supplying "a source of labor at no direct cost to the Army," giving "meaningful work to inmates" and alleviation to "overcrowding in nearby corrections facilities" and by making use of otherwise unused land and buildings.
The regulation indicates that the inmates could perform labor as allowed by 18 USC 4125(A)[2].

And don’t forget REX84
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex84

Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, is a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of civil unrest or national emergency.
Interesting. That it has orwells year on it… no?

According to scholar Diana Reynolds:
The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan; otherwise known as a continuity of government plan), indicates that FEMA in association with 34 other federal civil departments and agencies, along with other NATO nations, conducted a civil readiness exercise during April 5-13, 1984. It was conducted in coordination and simultaneously with a Joint Chiefs exercise, Night Train 84, a worldwide military command post exercise (including Continental U.S. Forces or CONUS) based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both abroad and at home. In the combined exercise, Rex-84 Bravo, FEMA and DOD led the other federal agencies and departments, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service, the Treasury, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Veterans Administration through a gaming exercise to test military assistance in civil defense.
The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial law. [1]
Existence of a master military contingency plan, "Garden Plot" and a similar earlier exercise, "Lantern Spike" were originally revealed by journalist Ron Ridenhour, who summarized his findings in "Garden Plot and the New Action Army."[2]
Rex 84 was mentioned during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987.[3] The Miami Herald wrote subsequently on July 5, 1987:
Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North and the Federal Emergency Management Agency ... had drafted a contingency plan providing for the suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, and the appointment of military commanders to head state and local governments and to detain dissidents and Central American refugees in the event of a national crisis.[4]
The basic facts about Rex 84 and other contingency planning readiness exercises—and the potential threat they pose to civil liberties if fully implemented in a real operation—are taken seriously by scholars and civil libertarians.[5]
Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen regularly.[6] Plans for roundups of large numbers of persons in the United States in times of crisis are constructed during periods of increased political repression such as the Palmer Raids and the McCarthy Era.
For example, from 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of over 100,000 persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.[7] This list contained many labor leaders, scholars, and public figures of the time.
In 2008, for the first time an active military unit has been given a dedicated assignment stateside for civil unrest containment. It is assigned to Northcom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.[8]

a recipe for resistance.

Always remember that Obama hates your guts and would love to round you and kill you. Obama hates everyone who doesn't worship him, and everything he didn't think of. Concentration camps are his wet dream. Filling them is his fantasy. Keep calling good people terrorists and they may surprise you by becoming the real thing. The jews didn't believe either you know.

when the unbelievers in the possibility of "camps", get a security clearance to see what is really going on under their nose, then you can deny it. The best thing about the term conspiracy theory is plausible deniability by the government in terms the average person buys... best of luck to you when it happens, but it won't go down quite the way the theory states...