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June 21, 2009

The More Things Change…

The progressive movement hasn't progressed much in the last 70 years:


Via Music for the Obama Era, on a tip from Kevin K.

Posted by Van Helsing at June 21, 2009 12:06 PM

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Thus begins the indoctrination of the kids.

I can't believe that this is happening to our country.

Who wrote that stupid song? Was it that frosty foaming at the mouth libtard music teacher?

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 12:20 PM

And our resident leftards will insist that getting schoolchildren to sing hymns to Obama is exactly the same as naming an airport and a building after Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: V the K at June 21, 2009 12:31 PM

I saw one of those Americorps flunkies the other day - I felt like saying "Why is your shirt white? Shouldnt it be a brown shirt so you can carry out Dear Leader Obama's Final Solution for America?"

Posted by: M O O N spells Moon at June 21, 2009 12:40 PM

And our resident leftards will insist that getting schoolchildren to sing hymns to Obama is exactly the same as naming an airport and a building after Ronald Reagan.

But comparing Obama to Hitler make sense?

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 12:47 PM

Actually Brandon, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than comparing Bush to Hitler. There are a lot more similarities between Obama and ol' 'Dolfie.

Claims to be "for the working man" while making his cronies rich...

Takes over major industries and dictates business decisions...

Backed by "community organizers" known for underhanded bullying tactics...

Not a big fan of the Jews...

Expands government and power of the executive branch...

Wants to "stick it to the rich" (the ones outside his circle of friends, anyway)

Says one thing and does another....

Controls the media (ok, 'Dolfie did it by force & Obama does it by having thirty years of Journalism schools run by Marxists, but it's not that big a difference when you get down to it)....

Forms his own organizations within the government to further his own power...

Has millions of fawning stooges worshipping him like a god...

Wrote a book... oops, scratch that, Obama's was ghost-written for him...

Uses supporters when he can, but as soon as they become liabilities, "throws them under the bus"

Wants to "spread the wealth around"...

Shall I go on?

Posted by: hiram at June 21, 2009 1:25 PM

Actually, Brandeen, I think this post compares the Teleprompter Messiah's blind followers to Hitler's blind followers... as both were taken into the personality cult of charismatic demagogue supported by a propagandistic media. But maybe that point was a bit too subtle for you.

Posted by: V the K at June 21, 2009 2:06 PM

I have dry heaves every time I see that Obama video. Haven't been able to get through the entire thing just yet...

Posted by: theblogprof at June 21, 2009 2:35 PM

Actually, Brandeen, I think this post compares the Teleprompter Messiah's blind followers to Hitler's blind followers... as both were taken into the personality cult of charismatic demagogue supported by a propagandistic media. But maybe that point was a bit too subtle for you.

oh i didn't realize that the children singing about hitler was just a coincidence. my bad.

here's another clip with some children being indoctrinated to blindly love and follow a man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFx4bxv2tg0

but i guess in this case most people here would encourage the indoctrination.

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 3:04 PM

Brandon, Carly and Jesus are not taking over private corporations and forcing its own health care on the country whereas Obama is doing the same as Hitler and Obama sheep are blindly following his agenda the same as Hitler's minions did half a century ago. If you can't see that difference and similarity then you've swilled way too much koolaid. Now retort/reply with something that blames or slanders Bush. Or better yet go jack off to your collectible Obama coins.

Posted by: Bryherb at June 21, 2009 3:26 PM

LOL!! Brandon you are a tool!

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 3:50 PM

Obama is doing the same as Hitler

whose drinking the koolaid?

Hitler was evil because he convinced a country to engage in genocide.

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 3:59 PM

There are many similarities between Obama and Hitler.

First and foremost I should think, is the fact that they are both leftist socialists.

Both talk about issues of "fairness" in their speeches.

Another is Obama's unprecedented power grabs, while simultaneously firing Inspector Generals working for watchdog groups that have report on the unethical doings of those within Obama's camp.

Another would be the passing of the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, where youths are forced to serve in mandatory volunteerism, complete with uniforms.

Another would be Obama's idea of creating a National Civilian Security Force, as strong as our military.

Another would be Obama's dictatorial nationalization of private industries.

Another would be the usage of the fraudulent partisan activist group ACORN to bully their wacko agendas onto an unsuspecting public with complete disregard for existing law.


Now, I understand that neatly combed hair and laundered clothing might give some the impression that Hitler was closer to a Republican.

But politically and philosophically, he's much more of a match with Obama and those on the left.

After all, have you ever heard of the Nazis getting blamed for deregulation?

Posted by: J at June 21, 2009 4:09 PM

I think Brandeen just admitted he sees nothing wrong with making schoolchildren sing hymns to Obama.

Posted by: V the K at June 21, 2009 4:39 PM

You guys are barking up the wrong tree if you think pointing out that Hitler and Obama both nationalized industry, used the media for propaganda purposes, and redistributed wealth. To the left, these are the proper uses of power. To them, the only thing Hitler did wrong was kill Joos and Homos (and judging from the way they are siding with the Palestinians against the Israelis, they are re-thinking that one, too.)

Posted by: V the K at June 21, 2009 4:44 PM

Brandy WTF you so worried about? The left spent a lot of time comparing Bush to Hitler and to be honest with you there really was no comparison.


The similarities with Hitler's tactics and Obama's tactics are striking.

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 4:54 PM

V the K, you make an important point.

Were it not for the prolific number of photographs recording the atrocities that the Nazi's committed, I highly doubt the liberal left in America would find them all that distasteful.

I say this because photographs of the atrocities committed by the communist Soviet Union are not as widely available, and thus leftists like to romanticize their despotism, and are able to do so with a minimal amount of debate.

Posted by: J at June 21, 2009 5:03 PM

Another important similarity between the Nazi's and the modern day American left:

The Nazis used the pseudoscience of eugenics to push through their agenda, just as liberals/progressives use the pseudoscience of global climate change to push through theirs.

Posted by: J at June 21, 2009 5:05 PM

I think Brandeen just admitted he sees nothing wrong with making schoolchildren sing hymns to Obama.

nice try. I think you just demonstrated that you make wild assumptions without needing any evidence.

both nationalized industry

there is a big difference between the bailouts and full scale nationalization.

used the media for propaganda purposes
When has the media not been used for propaganda purposes, by any party?
and redistributed wealth
also known as changing the tax code, something which every recent president has done.

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 5:11 PM

The left spent a lot of time comparing Bush to Hitler

I'm not the left. I think these kind of comparisons are idiotic, and disrespectful to those who suffered at the hands of the nazis.

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 5:14 PM

Yes you are Brandy.

Oh by the way I lost a third of my family to the Nazis. I have heard the horrifying stories from great aunts and uncles about what happened to them and my cousins. I have seen the pictures that my grandfather took at Maht Hausen extermination camp.

WTF do you know about college boy?

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 5:27 PM

And the fact that liberals are fools is again demonstrated. Good job, Brandy. I am assuming your posts are parody – right?

Posted by: Jimbo at June 21, 2009 5:27 PM

Brandon, you said "Hitler was evil because he convinced a country to engage in genocide."

Mass extinction of people by abortion doesn't count?

Posted by: Aussie-John at June 21, 2009 5:28 PM

To them, the only thing Hitler did wrong was kill Joos and Homos

If you want to criticize the bailouts or nationalism, or anything else like the indoctrination of children, don't bring Hitler and the death of 6 million Jews into it.

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 5:29 PM

The singing children and trolls such as Bratdon and Wellstoned resonate the style of civilian support that was critical for Hitler and the Nazis to acquire and maintain political control.
Without energetic support from German citizens, the Nazis could not have moved into the civil and home services that eventually affected every man, woman and child in the country.


Not only grassroots, but BO has terrorist friends and communist-socialist front groups working to consolidate and maintain power for him. The energetic support of such useful idiots available to BO today does not move far from the style of activism that characterized the single-minded idealism needed and exploited by Hitler to gain and exercise supreme power.


BO has supporters that have learned (albeit mindlessly) from the Third Reich and the Soviets.

BO currently has his own USSR-style Pravda ensconced at the white house. He has workers in the street who are willing to break heads at the voting booths, and are then protected from legal prosecution. He will silence his critics by having his minions "get in the face" of opponents.
BO is hostile to capitalism and enjoys the support of trade unions. BO recognizes that rapid, central control of health care will dwarf the power gained by nationalizing parts of the auto industry.

The Nazis had all of these things.


And like Hitler, BO has no real concern for the people that support him or those that he governs.
For fascists, the only concern is power.



Call me "Senator", General.

Posted by: Fiberal at June 21, 2009 5:34 PM

Why Brandy? Obama is using the same tactics.

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 5:34 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZl6VLq0Na0&feature=related

"We are the heirs of communism"

We are the heirs of communism,
inheriting the glorious tradition of the forebearers of the Revolution;
To love the motherland and the people,
While the crimson red scarf waves at our chest.

We do not fear hardship, nor the enemy,
studying hard and struggling with resolve;
Towards victory, we courageously advance,
Towards victory, we courageously advance,
Towards victory, we courageously advance;
We are the heirs of communism.

We are the heirs of communism,
along the glorious path of the forebearers of the Revolution;
To love the motherland and the people,
"Young Pioneer Members" is our proud name.
Ever be prepared, to contribute,
and to destroy completely the enemy.
For our ideal, we courageously advance,
For our ideal, we courageously advance,
For our ideal, we courageously advance;
We are the heirs of communism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO7DW_l71YA&feature=related

"Sailing the seas depends on the Helmsman"

Life and growth depend on the sun,
rain and dewdrops nourish the crops,
making revolution depends on Mao Zedong thought.

Fish can't leave the water, nor melons leave the vine,
The revolutionary masses can't do without the Communist Party,
Mao Zedong thought is the sun that forever shines!

Fish can't leave the water, nor melons leave the vine,
The revolutionary masses can't do without the Communist Party,
Mao Zedong thought is the sun that forever shines!

Posted by: chairman soetoro's oprichniki at June 21, 2009 5:37 PM

Yes you are Brandy.
No, I'm a leftist. I am not responsible for something someone else said.
Oh by the way I lost a third of my family to the Nazis. I have heard the horrifying stories from great aunts and uncles about what happened to them and my cousins. I have seen the pictures that my grandfather took at Maht Hausen extermination camp.

And this entitles you to use the suffering of millions of people as a cheap trick to try to convince people of your own beliefs?

WTF do you know about college boy?

Sounds like you're getting upset. Maybe you should fill out one of those feelings forms.


Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 5:39 PM

Brandon used to think he was 100% Italian (or whatever).......

then he found out that a relative died at Auschwitz.....

he fell out of the guard tower......

Posted by: eat me at June 21, 2009 5:43 PM

Yes it does Brandy the leftist and it's know trick. This was my family that went through this college boy.

I'm not upset at all. I feel great!


Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 5:45 PM

Well I've got work to attend to - I guess we'll see if the corporations are nationalized and if the concentration camps are up and running in 8 years.

If they are, I guess you won the argument.

Still, no one has commented on the similarities of the children singing mindlessly to Hitler, to Obama and to Jesus. You're ok with mindless indoctrination as long is it's mindless indoctrination that you agree with?

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 5:46 PM

LOL!!!! Well done eat me!!

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 5:46 PM

Brandy!!!! Hello!!!!

These kids think Obama is Jesus!!

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 5:48 PM

Since when is masturbation considered work?

Posted by: Dave at June 21, 2009 5:49 PM

Bwandon- "Still, no one has commented on the similarities of the children singing mindlessly to Hitler, to Obama and to Jesus. You're ok with mindless indoctrination as long is it's mindless indoctrination that you agree with?"

How about a comment on the similarities of leftism and cultism? You are actually equating the Dear Leader, with Jesus.

Posted by: chairman soetoro's oprichniki at June 21, 2009 6:17 PM

To brandy and his kind'

What happened to "QUESTION AUTHORITY" and "DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM"? Now that YOUR kind are in charge, now that YOUR president has DARK SKIN, you don't DARE speak a single word of dissent.

By the way, durring the war Americans were told that "several thousand" people were murdered by the nazis because the TRUTH was too fantastic to be believed! It's the same way that YOUR KIND refuse to believe that anything is wrong with what YOUR SOCIALIST LEADERS say and do.

Posted by: KHarn at June 21, 2009 6:30 PM

(we), as a society, can do a much better job of creating an environment where hateful beliefs are never ignored and suspicious behavior never goes unreported.

..............CHARLES M. BLOW (NYT propagandist)
George Orwell (1984) thought so as well.
And the deeply stupid liberals ignore parallels between the left and Nazism.

Posted by: Fiberal at June 21, 2009 7:08 PM

Brandy... Jesus died for my sins....I see nothing wrong with signing hymns to His glory in mass. But what the hell has Obama done for me to even consider singing his "praises"?

Posted by: Atomic Lib Smasher at June 21, 2009 8:36 PM

YOUR KIND refuse to believe that anything is wrong with what YOUR SOCIALIST LEADERS say and do

That's simply a false assumption, and you've made it without requiring any proof. I wonder how many other false assumptions you've made.

Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 8:53 PM

Jesus died for my sins

Looks like the indoctrination worked quite well.

I was primarily responding to V the K who claimed that the OP was purely about mindless indoctrination. If that's true, surely he would object to the mindless indoctrination of children when it comes to Jesus as well.


Posted by: Brandon at June 21, 2009 8:59 PM

ah but Brandon - our schools do not indoctrinate "Jesus"
they are indoctrinating "Obama"
that's the problem

Posted by: blue at June 21, 2009 9:25 PM

CHORUS:
Germany was having trouble
What a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore
Its former glory
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
And now it's...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...
CHORUS:
Look, it's springtime
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Winter for Poland and France
CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany!
CHORUS:
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
STORMTROOPER:
Come on, Germans
Go into your dance!
STORMTROOPER "ROLF":
I was born in Dusseldorf und that is why they call me Rolf.
STORMTROOPER "MEL":
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party!
ULLA:
The Fuhrer is coming, the Fuhrer is coming, the Fuhrer is coming!
STORMTROOPER #1:
Heil Hitler!
STORMTROOPER #2:
Heil Hitler!
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Heil Hitler!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
ALL:
Heil Hitler!
ROGER:
Heil myself
Heil to me
I'm the kraut
Who's out to change our history
Heil myself
Raise your hand
There's no greater
Dictator in the land!
Everything I do, I do for you!
CHORUS:
Yes, you do!
ROGER:
If you're looking for a war, here's World War Two!
Heil myself
Raise your beer
CHORUS:
Jawohl!
ROGER:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi stand and cheer
CHORUS:
Hooray!
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
Heil myself!
CHORUS:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
Heil myself!
CHORUS:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
...stand and cheer!
THE HEIL-LOs:
The Fuhrer is causing a furor!
He's got those Russians on the run
You gotta love that wacky hun!
The Fuhrer is causing a furor
They can't say "no" to his demands
They're freaking out in foreign lands
He's got the whole world in his hands
The Fuhrer is causing a furor!
ROGER:
I was just a paper hanger
No one more obscurer
Got a phone call from the Reichstag
Told me I was Fuhrer
Germany was blue
What, oh, what to do?
Hitched up my pants
And conquered France
Now Deutschland's smiling through!
But it wasn't always so easy...
It was 1932. Hindenburg was working the Big Room and I...
I was playing the lounge. And then I got my big break.
Somebody burned down the Reichstag. And, would you believe it?
They made me Chancellor. Chancellor!
It ain't no myst'ry
If it's politics or hist'ry
The thing you gotta know is
Ev'rything is show biz
Heil myself
Watch my show
I'm the German Ethel Merman
Dontcha know
We are crossing borders
The new world order is here
Make a great big smile
Ev'ryone sieg heil to me
Wonderful me!
And now it's...
CHORUS:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Goose-step's the new step today


ROGER:
Springtime!
Goose-steps!
CHORUS MEN:
Bombs falling from the skies again
CHORUS:
Deutschland is on the rise again
ROGER & CHORUS:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
U-boats are sailing once more
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
ROGER:
Means that...
CHORUS:
Soon we'll be going...
ROGER:
We've got to be going...
CHORUS:
You know we'll be going....
ROGER:
You bet we'll be going...
ROGER & CHORUS:
You know we'll be going to war!!

Posted by: Mel Brooks at June 21, 2009 9:27 PM

Yep, only now it's Springtime for Brandon. He actually said that he thinks the reason Hitler was evil is because of genocide. Brandon is okay with National Socialism. National Socialism was just fine, wasn't it, Brandon. What made Hitler evil was just the genocide part.

With Obama in the driver's seat it's Springtime for Brandon and Germany!

Sing along, Brandon. They're singing the old songs!


Posted by: Kevin R at June 21, 2009 11:26 PM

I wonder how you're going to feel Brandon when they haul YOU off to those "concentration" camps?

I would imagine at that moment you will look back and realize how much of a fool you were.

Jim Jones promised the same things Obama has and all his followers died. Hitler promised the same things, thousands of Germans, Americans, British, French, and Italians died. Mao, Hitler, Jones, Lenin, Marx, Pol Pot, Castro, AND Obama are all the same!

Each one follows the VERY SAME pattern.

At least I'll know I was willing to stand up and fight, to revolt, to resist, and try to stop Obama and his thugs. You're to stupid to know any better and WE know it, SADLY YOU DON'T.

Posted by: Michelle at June 22, 2009 1:29 AM

That Hitler hymn certainly put the lie to the argument that Nazi Germany was Christian. That was idolatry in its purest form.

And Brandon, if you can't understand the difference between people worshipping deeply flawed men (Hitler and Obama) and people worshipping a God Man who people witnessed performing miracles including raising at least three people from the dead before raising Himself from the dead (Jesus), your powers of perception and analysis leave a lot to be desired.

Posted by: Judith M. at June 22, 2009 4:22 AM

Exactly right, Kevin R. Brandeen is comfortable that national socialism will work this time because the charismatic demagogue in charge of it is a hip minority who makes him feel cool.

Posted by: V the K at June 22, 2009 5:35 AM

Hey Brandon! Don't let these mean-spirited Rethugliscums getcha down! Just keep telling yourself "It can't happen here!".

Posted by: Morris at June 22, 2009 7:03 AM

ONE...

MORE...

TIME...!

And don't forget: They say Obama is the Alpha and the Omega.

Posted by: Lyle at June 22, 2009 8:33 AM

Brandon is okay with National Socialism.
Brandeen is comfortable that national socialism

False assumptions. You've got a crappy cookie cutter cartoon idea clearly conceived while smoking crack of what the left is. The left would be just as fed up as the right if they had to stand in line for hours to buy bread, or if they could not own their own business. I have owned my own business, and if the government told me how much I could charge my customers, pay my employees etc, I would be angry.

For the record, yes, I believe genocide is worse than nationalization.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 8:40 AM

Jim Jones promised the same things Obama has and all his followers died.

What? Did I miss the speech where Obama claimed the world would be destroyed in a nuclear war, but if we all just went to Brazil we could be part of a new Eden?

These kind of comparisons are so off the wall.

Obama has partially nationalized a few banks and car companies, with their consent, temporarily, in an effort to limit the size of a major recession.

Obama has never stated that he wanted to do this from an ideological perspective, he has stated the opposite. As far as I know he has never supported any other form of nationalism, socialism, communism, nazism, etc.

Hitler, on the other hand, wanted nationalization of all corporations.

An aspect of the Nazis that resembles the right is ultra-nationalism. Comparing the left to the nazis because some small aspect of their economic policy slightly resembles the nazis economic policy would be like me saying that the right is more nationalistic, therefore they are like the nazis, therefore they want to invade canada and mexico to take land.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 9:07 AM

I see Brandon, you're just fine with socialism as long as you don't have to stand in line and the government doesn't tell you what to charge. If the government told you what to charge, that would make you angry. But other than that, what could be wrong with Socialism? Until the people in power of a Socialist state use their total power to practice genocide, what is wrong with Socialism. You are one dumb bunny, Brandon. But, you're just fine with socialism.

For the record, yes, I believe genocide is worse than nationalization.
Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 8:40 AM

You are dissembling, Brandon. You wrote that Hitler was evil because of genocide. Genocide is of course worse than nationalization, Brandon - on a scale of evil things. But National Socialism was about far more than the State taking over companies. Evils abounded. Socialism is all about corralling and enslaving whole populations but what you don't like about it and would get you mad is standing in line for bread. Do you have any idea what the hell is going on, Brandon? You reduce the evils of socialism down to the inconvenience of standing in line for bread. You are dissembling, Brandon.

People like you make me sick.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 9:25 AM

An aspect of the Nazis that resembles the right is ultra-nationalism.
Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 9:25 AM

Brandon, the Right stands for Limited Government, Constitutional Republicanism, Property Rights, and the Democratic ideal of everyone being equal before the law.

Ultra-nationalism is exactly what the Communists want. You are a dissembling idiot, Brandon. Go back and poke your head into the standbox fantasy world of Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky books, Brandon.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 9:31 AM

Socialism is all about corralling and enslaving whole populations

I thought socialism is when the government owns and controls the production of goods. Also that people are compensated not according to how much they produce, but in some other way.

Slavery is when people are forced to work without any compensation.

Brandon, the Right stands for Limited Government, Constitutional Republicanism, Property Rights, and the Democratic ideal of everyone being equal before the law.

ahh, how much more you scrutinize the comparison of the right to nazis then the left.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 9:41 AM

Again Brandon, you are dissembling.

I thought socialism is when the government owns and controls the production of goods. Also that people are compensated not according to how much they produce, but in some other way.

And in order to own and control the production of goods, what does the government need to do with the population? Salvery isn't simply being forced to work without compensation; since there is such a thing as being forced to work and receive compensation (bread, health care, shelter, some pay (as in the old Soviet joke "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.")) there is such a thing as restricted freedom and being forced to work and live in a society you would rather escape.

You are dissembling what slavery is, Brandon.

Oxford English Dictionary:

slavery |ˈslāvərē|
noun
the state of being a slave : thousands had been sold into slavery.
• the practice or system of owning slaves.
• a condition compared to that of a slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricted freedom : female domestic slavery.
• excessive dependence on or devotion to something : slavery to tradition.

By your definition of slavery Brandon, what would you have had against the slavery which was practiced in antebellum times? As long as those who were working the fields were compensated with food, health care, shelter, a little spending money - gee, would they actually have been slaves? They were getting compensation with all those things.

You are a dissembling idiot, Brandon. But no lie is too big in the justification of Socialism, is it?

ahh, how much more you scrutinize the comparison of the right to nazis then the left.

That's because the Nazi's were National Socialists, Brandon. They were Leftists. But you already know that. Everything you write is geared to smear and then dissemble.

You are one ugly piece of work, Brandon.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 10:51 AM

And actually Brandon,

I thought socialism is when the government owns and controls the production of goods.
Brandon

that is more dissembling.


Oxford English Dictionary:

socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
• policy or practice based on this theory.
• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.


The government doesn't need to own the means of production. It simply needs to regulate the means of production.

But, you already know that. Your entire purpose is simply to smear and dissemble and confuse.

You are one ugly piece of work, Brandon.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 11:02 AM

Kevin, like so many other people on this site, you are twisting my words and making assumptions. Rather than looking for what I intend to communicate, you look for the worst way what I say can be interpreted.

I think the image of waiting in line for hours for bread is a good metaphor for the problems of socialism. Socialism is a terribly inefficient economic system - and bread being one of the basic staples of life it is certainly a tragedy when a nation cannot produce an adequate supply. The inefficiency of course spreads further, to energy production, health care, etc. This will have major consequences for life expectancy and quality of life.

You state:

But no lie is too big in the justification of Socialism, is it?

But only in your imagination am I justifying socialism. I challenge you to quote me justifying socialism on this page.


That's because the Nazi's were National Socialists, Brandon. They were Leftists.

Ok, I'll try one more time.

There is a continuum of nationial pride that get's nasty at it's extreme end. It goes like this: patriotism -> nationalism -> jingoism.

I'll give it to you that the right is more patriotic, in general than the left. And so you don't make any idiotic assumptions, I'll state that I think patriotism is a good thing.

What I'm saying is that the left is just as socialist as the right is jingoist. If we are making comparisons to the nazis, you can compare the left to the socialist aspect, and you can compare the right to the jingoist aspect.

I find both comparisons absurd. The bailouts are a far cry from socialism, and if socialism equates with slavery, then you very well know this.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 11:23 AM

You are one ugly piece of work, Brandon.

I may have a difference of opinion, I may be even less educated or less intelligent than you. None of these things are good enough cause to forgo basic human decency.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 11:28 AM

No, you are an ugly piece of work, Brandon.

...you look for the worst way what I say can be interpreted.

Wrong, I know exactly what you're saying and where you are coming from and you respond with more smears and dissembling.

The Right as jingoists is just another Left wing smear.

There is a continuum of nationial pride that get's nasty at it's extreme end. It goes like this: patriotism -> nationalism -> jingoism.

Oxford English Dictionary:

jingoism |ˈji ng gōˌizəm|
noun chiefly derogatory
extreme patriotism, esp. in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy.

The smear that loving America and defending America from aggression is jingoistic warmongering is one of the big smears of the Left. Everything you write Brandon, about your worldview is exactly the same as the worldview of the Left. All of your assumptions are the worldview of the Left. Therefore, it is very easy to think that you, Brandon, are a Leftist.

You know it Brandon. I'm not twisting your words or making assumptions as you protest in the post above. That is more dissembling on your part.


I'll stick with what I said,

You are one ugly piece of work, Brandon.


Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 12:11 PM

I may have a difference of opinion...
Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 11:28 AM

Wrong. It isn't that you have "a difference of opinion," Brandon. It's that you smear and dissemble. Smearing and dissembling is not the same thing as having a difference of opinion. Even in your protests you dissemble.

You are one ugly piece of work, Brandon.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 12:23 PM

"What? Did I miss the speech where Obama claimed the world would be destroyed in a nuclear war, but if we all just went to Brazil we could be part of a new Eden?"

BRANDON, Hopey McChange said that the world would be destroyed by GLOBAL WARMING if his legislature wasn't passed NOW! NO READING! JUST VOTE FOR IT!

Posted by: KHarn at June 22, 2009 12:33 PM

And don't forget that Congress had to pass his ecconomic plan NOW! or the country would suffer.

Who's useing FEAR now, Liberals?

Posted by: KHarn at June 22, 2009 12:42 PM

I'm not twisting your words

but then just a few sentences earlier, you imply that I am characterizing the right as Jingoists:

The Right as jingoists is just another Left wing smear.

if you go back and actually read what I said, instead of using your imagination, you'll see that I was saying that it is just as stupid to compare the bailouts to socialism as it is to compare patriotism to jingoism. I don't believe the right is jingoist, despite what your imagination is telling you. I do not think America is a warmonger.

You would like to make it seem like I have something against defending America - I don't. I support the fights in Afgahnistan and Iraq. I support the global fight against terrorists. I would support action to prevent North Korea from launching a nuclear weapon and I would support action to prevent Iran from attaining one.

You might also be surprised to learn that I think abortion should be illegal, enhanced interrogation may be the right thing in certain circumstances, guns should be legal, terrorists should not be given miranda rights, and that environmentalists tend to be loony.

In your mind you've imagined me as some kind of cartoon figure of a liberal, put together from things you've read on blogs or heard on talk radio, and you keep insisting that I fit that mold, but you're completely wrong.

In addition, I am not smearing. If there is something illogical, if I am exaggerating or making generalizations that don't fit, call me out on it specifically.

I am writing from my perspective. Yes, it has a bias, it is framed from my bias, I am putting things in the context with which I see them. I try as much as possible to be unbiased, and that is one of the reasons that I don't preach to the choir. But I do not deliberately skew the truth, I do not exaggerate the circumstances purposefully to make a point. I write as I see it. When I am wrong, I admit it. When I realize the subject is more complicated or out of my depth, I admit that I have to think about it more. I use logic and facts to make my points, and I refrain from making insults.

Try reading what I write at face value without making simplistic assumptions, and your reading comprehension will go up dramatically.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 12:52 PM


Did I miss the speech where Obama claimed the world would be destroyed in a nuclear

war, but if we all just went to Brazil we could be part of a new Eden? These kind of comparisons

are so off the wall.

Aparently you have missed ALL his telepromter reading's. Jone's primary mission was to create a

"socialist/comunist paradise" where his followers could live as they desired. NONE of them were

inteligent enough to figure out they had that here already. Kinda like YOU.

How is it "off the wall" just because you fail to see it or realize the method is the same. Obama

has made hundreds of promises about "saving the planet" and "sharing the wealth" between

his apologizing to our enemies for America's sins.

Obama has partially nationalized a few banks and car companies, with their consent,

temporarily, in an effort to limit the size of a major recession.

I would hardly call violation of the contitution, dictating pay, replacing the board of directors

with his friends, dictating the product produced and the price it is sold at partial. It's also

more than "a few" banks. It's dozens of them who are under the same intervetionist polocy. Also

neither GM nor Chrysler offered to let him take over, Obama forced them to cede control.

Currently the recession is worsening due to his intervention in the market NOT improving. The

banks were FORCED to take loans, FORCED to keep the loans, FORCED to make changes to whome they

loan to and the standards they use to determine credit worthyness.

Obama has never stated that he wanted to do this from an ideological perspective, he

has stated the opposite.

Well considering his position on EVERYTHING changes daily it's pretty difficult to keep up with

what he acually is saying at any given time. He contradicts himself to often to keep up with

which lie or promise he is going to break next.

As far as I know he has never supported any other form of nationalism, socialism,

communism, nazism, etc.

That's just the quote of the week right there! "as far as you know" he never spent 20 years

learning about black separation, studying Sal Alinsky's comunist teachings, getting his oponents

removed from the ticket so he had no competition, teaching ACORN how to rig elections, and

defending them when they got caught and getting his wife a job dumping patients with Axelrod's

help but that's ok... "as far as you know" he's COOL???

Obama has studied it, lived by it, used it to his advantage, and has no intention of following

the law or abiding by the constitution, he already thinks its a flawed concept so why adheare to

it.

Hitler, on the other hand, wanted nationalization of all corporations.

But taking over the auto industry, the banking industry, the healthcare industry, and using the

EPA to take over the power industry, and the FDA to take over the food industry isn't

"nationalization of all corporations" right?

You can't possibly be THAT stupid, and THAT uninformed, to not see the damage and effects of

those policies.

An aspect of the Nazis that resembles the right is ultra-nationalism. Comparing the

left to the nazis because some small aspect of their economic policy slightly resembles the nazis

economic policy would be like me saying that the right is more nationalistic, therefore they are

like the nazis, therefore they want to invade canada and mexico to take land.

Again you make an uneducated and woefully inadequate comparison due to you INCREDIBLE lack of

knowledge in understanding of the socialist and the capitalist. Capitalists value fredom and

profit, socialists value fairness and equality.

The socialist wants to FORCE fairness and equality on every aspect of life, assuming that nobody

is capable of acieving it without the "state" or government.

The Capitalist WORKS to promote fairness and equality for everyone by offering incentive to

improve and prosper.

I'm done trying to teach you thing's you should know or what you should realize when it's

painfully obvious. You don't have the desire to learn, to educate yourself, or to even ask the

most basic of questions "how does this work" so have fun in the camps eating gruel because THAT"S

where your heading.

Posted by: Michelle at June 22, 2009 1:04 PM

What I'm saying is that the left is just as socialist as the right is jingoist. If we are making comparisons to the nazis, you can compare the left to the socialist aspect, and you can compare the right to the jingoist aspect.
Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 11:23 AM

What you are saying is that the left is just as socialistic as the right is jingoistic. But,

I find both comparisons absurd.
ibid

The Left by definition, is collectivist, Brandon. In the Left's collectivism it is very socialistic.

Now you wish to sound reasonable by saying, no I don't think the Right is jingoistic, it is just as jingoistic as the Left is Socialistic. The comparisons are absurd.

Lol!!!

Do you see how you dissembled that?

You are a funny man.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 1:11 PM

Or, are you saying:

--The Left is Socialist. The Right is jingoist. But I find comparisons of either one to Nazis to be absurd.--

In which case you are still smearing the Right with the jingoistic warmonger smear and discounting the fact that the Nazis were socialists and the Left is by definition collectivist and socialist.

Do you see your dissembling, Brandon?

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 1:57 PM

In your mind you've imagined me as some kind of cartoon figure of a liberal...
Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 12:52 PM

You're the one that keeps on calling the Right "jingoists" but I am the one that sees you as a cartoon. Lol!!!

You are a funny man, Brandon.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 22, 2009 2:17 PM

Lots of lefties have engaged in jingoism, Brandon: Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il. How does this fact work with your definition of what is right wing and what is left wing?

Posted by: Judith M. at June 22, 2009 2:32 PM

You're ridiculous Kevin. You repeat without any understanding at all.

He's saying that both statements are absurd smears. That Nazis were the embodiment of both extreme left and extreme right ideologies, and that neither half of American politics bears any resemblance.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 22, 2009 3:07 PM

That would never happen for a Republican President. Never never nev...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE2WEJ6BX8U

Posted by: Lunapipistrellus at June 22, 2009 3:24 PM

Lots of lefties have engaged in jingoism, Brandon: Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il. How does this fact work with your definition of what is right wing and what is left wing?

I'm clearly referring to the right in this country, and I have clearly stated that they are more patriotic then the left, and that this puts them closer to jingoism. I was also only using that as a counter example of people here comparing the left to socialists. My point being that those are both silly comparisons.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 3:46 PM

Michelle, there is a big difference between regulating companies and running them, and you know it.

as for better comparison between the left and socialism, that deserves a more thorough response, I'll get back to you on that one somewhere down the line.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 3:48 PM

you're the one that keeps on calling the Right "jingoists"

Do you also post under the name 'Farmer Ted'? He also has a history of doggedly insisting that I've said something which I haven't, and which is the opposite of what I think.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 3:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE2WEJ6BX8U

Wow, bush was a nazi too, I never realized.

According to the blogs though, all presidents are nazis, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 3:54 PM

You're ridiculous Kevin. You repeat without any understanding at all.
He's saying that both statements are absurd smears. That Nazis were the embodiment of both extreme left and extreme right ideologies, and that neither half of American politics bears any resemblance.
Posted by: Anonymous at June 22, 2009 3:07 PM

No, you don't have any understanding at all.

In the first place the Nazi's were not the embodiment of both extreme left and extreme right ideologies. The American Right stands for Limited Government, Constitutional Republicanism, property rights, The Rule of Law, and the pursuit of happiness. The more "extreme" a person on the Right is the more that person believes in Liberty and individual freedom.

By saying that the Right has anything in common ideologically with the Nazis is to smear the Right, to smear everyone that loves freedom and Liberty.

I was also only using that as a counter example of people here comparing the left to socialists. My point being that those are both silly comparisons.
Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 3:46 PM

By setting up an argument wherein you say "it is silly to compare the Right to jingoists, just as it is silly to compare the Left to Socialists" is to set up a false argument and to conceal the thing which you are trying to actually say - which is that the Left is not socialist.

Socialism isn't the exact same as communism, Brandon. I know you protest that you aren't a socialist but trying to say that the Left isn't socialist, just as the Right isn't jingoist (but boy the Right sure is close to being jingoists "I'm clearly referring to the right in this country, and I have clearly stated that they are more patriotic then the left, and that this puts them closer to jingoism") is an argument geared to misrepresent what the Left is.


Posted by: Kevin R at June 23, 2009 10:07 AM

Michelle, there is a big difference between regulating companies and running them, and you know it.

Yes, I DO know the difference. YOU aparently DO NOT The Government has NO power to regulate: shareholder payout, credtor compensation, product advertising budgets, employe compensation or bonuses, who composes the board of directors, bondholder compensation, and management decisions, to name just a FEW of the things Obama has done to the companies he TOOK OVER BY FORCE to use as tool to pay back the fools who elected him.

as for better comparison between the left and socialism, that deserves a more thorough response, I'll get back to you on that one somewhere down the line.

Posted by: Brandon at June 22, 2009 3:48 PM

I'm not going to hold my breath because the NAZI party was a SOCIALIST party and did exactly what Obama has done. YOU know it, I know it!

Playing word games with people who have forgotten more than you will ever know is the futile gesture of every liberal like YOU who shows up here attepmting to sound inteligent.

Unfortunately for liberals like YOU the vast majority of people on these sites OWN buisnesses or RUN companies and know a whole lot more about how stuff really works that the idiot proffessors you have listened to.

Go open a book and learn something!


P.S. Sorry about messing up the thingy earlier..

Posted by: Michelle at June 23, 2009 10:59 PM

Posted by: Michelle at June 23, 2009 10:59 PM

Michelle, thank-you.

Brandon does everything he can to pretend there is a difference between socialism and a regulatory state. There is a reason why the definition of Socialism includes both the owning outright and the regulation by the community as a whole clause. Brandon is too dense to understand the principles underlying the definition.

Oxford English Dictionary:

socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
• policy or practice based on this theory.
• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 23, 2009 11:22 PM

Brandon is too dense to understand the principles underlying the definition.

I guess you've missed all of my comments about how we have a mixed economy that is in between a free market and socialism.

Posted by: Brandon at June 24, 2009 10:50 AM

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