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terrorist: I surrender
US Soldier : ah f*ck, now I have have to read you your rights
terrorist: and give me my food stamps
US Soldier: Bang

Ya beat me to it; once the grunts on the ground see how this pans out I wonder how many of these douchebags will be captured, and how many will just become casualties.

This edict just screwed up the killed to capture ratio.

I'm skeptical. There's got to be more to the story - it just doesn't make sense.

I, honestly, don't think I've ever heard something so insanely stupid before. This is a new all-time low.

Couldn't reading them the Miranda rights go something like this: BANG! You have the right to remain silent...

I wonder when the first U.S. law firm is going to start running ads in Afghanistan. "Captured while trying to murder U.S. servicemen? You have rights! We'll protect them at NO COST TO YOU. Call us now toll free @ 800-THE-ACLU."

it just doesn't make sense.

Reality dawns.

I hope Rasmussen asks a polling question concerning this.
Can this shit get any more ridiculous? I'm counting on the heroes on the field to do the right thing.

Can't make 'em talk, WTF good is he? Listen up AliBaba, don't you be tryin' to escape, now!

This asinine idea will have a catastrophic result on a battlefield level. Interrogation of captured IC's has lead to real time information of insurgent plans and directly saved the lives of hundreds of US and coalition troops and thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civs. These wars are being won and lost on the basis of intel and if primary sources are lost to us, it will deal a heavy blow to our progress in the theater, as well as affecting the troops moral. If only politicians and policy makers would keep their snouts out of millitry affairs. There was no political solution in the first place!

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGI4MTZjZWE2ODdiNDkzMzA5NjkwZDA3OWU0NGQ1NTU=

This is the kind of utter nonsense we should expect when there are no longer any adults in charge. Obama's stooges are making up policy as they go -- there is no constitutional right that terrorists captured in foreign battlefields have the rights of US citizens in the US criminal justice system, pure and simple. Last I checked, even the Democrap Congress hasn't legislated it either. Just like bringing that captured Somali pirate over to the US for a trial -- pure lunacy. Next, the ACLU will be suing on behalf of these rodents claiming their holding cells don't have enough AC, cable/satellite tv, internet access, and that they deserve universal healthcare, retirement benefits, contraceptives, special meals, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Thanks VH, I just had a nice lunch.

Blame this on that merble liberal idiot RAMSEY CLARK its his fualt over this all

Come on people, don't you want to protect human rights? All humans or just some humans? If you say just some humans than the degree of separation form Von Brunn and you is in truth, zero.

Informing someone their rights only lets them know that we will prosecute them civilly within the rule of law. It gives them no advantage in court unless the rule of law was violated by the enforcement agency that scooped them up regardless of their particular acronym. It does not hurt the U.S.A. to abide by our own rule. To the contrary, it empowers us.

So please think and pray about it because in the end we are all guilty of something and many of us have many somethings.

Jesus Christ is the only righteous one, Amen.

One more thing that most of you don't realize, there is no declaration of war, so it is in essence a police action.

You have to wonder: who benefits from this?
This, the apology tours, the acquiescence to Iran's nuclear goals and the bow to the Saudi King says just about all you need to know about BO's world aspirations.



BTW DO the towelheads have to be Mirandized in their own language?
Or can our guys learn a little Navajo?

I I were on the battlefield here is how I would read these ENEMY COMBATANTS/FORIEN FIGHTERS there rights, "You have the right to a .45 or .50 caliper when I shoots your ass". For all those liberal kumbaya stupid fuck sticks WE ARE AT WAR WITH AN ENEMY WHO WANTS TO KILL ALL OF US. We are not the POLICE! Since when do foreign fighters have the right to an attorney. If that's the case who pays for these councilors.....We do! BULLSHIT!

It seems as though everyday the liberals do something else that make this country more weak.

HOSTILE!!!!!!!!

Solomon you are wrong!!! We did declared war on terror after 9-11. Get your facts straight. I watched Bush declare war and congress OKed it. Do you remember that? Remember Bush saying that countries that harbor terrorist are against the US. Do you Remember Bush saying in a national address that you are either with or against us in this WAR are terror. I remember vividly.

Come on people, don't you want to protect human rights?

For these jihadi vermin? No. I don't care about their "human rights" at all.

All humans or just some humans?

Well, let's see... "humans" who routinely oppress and slaughter nonbelievers, treat their women worse than farm animals, intentionally target innocents and noncombatants, and themselves follow no rules of warfare?

That's not a human. That's an animal masquerading as a human.

If you say just some humans than the degree of separation form Von Brunn and you is in truth, zero.

Bullshit. Cheap moral equivalence, which prevents you from having to actually think about a situation.

Informing someone their rights only lets them know that we will prosecute them civilly within the rule of law.

No. That's not the case at all all. Prisoners of war have never, I repeat NEVER been given the same benefits of law that an accused criminal has. And these jihadi aren't even prisoners of war according to the Geneva conventions. In order to claim those benefits, you have to fight as part of an army, wear a uniform, treat your prisoners with care, and follow a whole host of other rules. Those who violated those rules were afforded no protection whatsoever. German soldiers caught in Allied uniforms behind Allied lines during WW2 were simply shot. German saboteurs who were landed on US soil during the war were similarly executed.

In other words, THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS. The islamofascist vermin we catch setting up roadside bombs or sniping at soldiers have no right to anything except a bullet to the skull.

It gives them no advantage in court unless the rule of law was violated by the enforcement agency that scooped them up regardless of their particular acronym.

You know nothing. The Miranda ruling implies certain definite rights. The right to an attorney during questioning. The right not to speak. Treating these fanatics like a criminal caught for shoplifting also then implies other rights... was excessive force used to capture him? Did the soldier capturing the jihadi have probable cause? A warrant? If not, a judge will have no choice but to release the jihadi.

On a battlefield, it is not just likely, but utterly certain that a terrorist's rights will have been violated, and thus we will have to release them.

It does not hurt the U.S.A. to abide by our own rule.

What? First, reading these vermin their rights has NEVER, in the entire history of the republic, been "our rule." Second, read the damned article again. The information that has been obtained from these enemies has saved American lives and prevented attacks. In other words, following this rule WILL result in American deaths.

Are you cool with that? I'm not.

To the contrary, it empowers us.

No, it endangers us.

So please think and pray about it because in the end we are all guilty of something and many of us have many somethings.

Yeah. I shoplifted some books when I was a kid. I also regularly go five MPH over the speed limit, and have been known to jaywalk. That's totally the same as sawing someone's head off while screaming "Allahu Ackbar!!!"

Jesus Christ is the only righteous one, Amen.

Glad you're willing to endanger our lives for your faith, Solomon. It must feel so good to be so much more humane than the rest of us who live in the real world.

You can be in favor of terrorists having rights all you like. They extend no such consideration to you, and would kill you just as gleefully as they would kill me. They wouldn't worry about your rights. They wouldn't offer to pay for a lawyer. The only thing they offer their prisoners is a knife to the neck.

One more thing that most of you don't realize, there is no declaration of war, so it is in essence a police action.

They declared war on us. When one side declares war against you, you are at war, whether or not you declare it.

Well done, Evil Otto. Well Done. And thank you, too, "Greenbud" (Snicker), for showing no matter how insane or idiotic one of Dear Leader's policies is, some idiot will still defend it.

I had commented about this on another thread yesterday when V the K first put this out. I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding about what is really going on here.

When the story first came to light, it was presented as:

"Soldiers in Afghanistan now required to give Miranda Rights to captured terrorists."

No.....not exactly. According to several sources:

".....the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement."

Soldiers will not be Mirandizing any detainees - not even the Military Police.

For those that are interested, the US Army Soldier's Manual for Military Police outlines in Training & Evaluation Standard 191-376-5127 how to "Advise Suspect of Article 31 - Miranda Rghts", and MPs are issued GTA Card 19-6-5, "How to Inform Suspect / Accused Persons of Their Rights". DA Form 3881, "Rights Warning Procedure / Waiver Certificate" is used to document

These procedures are used for U.S. Soldiers / U.S. Citizens, or others on U.S. military installations for violations of the UCMJ and/or applicable local laws.

Basic Enemy Prisioners of War / Civilian Internees (EPW/CI) handling is covered under 191-46-4100 - 4103, and there certainly isn't ant requirement to read Miranda rights to anyone - if you're an EPW / CI you are under the protection of U.S. law, but you don't have the rights of a U.S. Citizen.

No this whole thing is about the FBI - the Army doesn't necessarily have to pay the Obama DOJ any mind at all with regards to this.

As I said yesterday, what's most significant about this is that we're going back to the 1990s mindset that "terrorism is just a law enforcement problem". President William Jefferson Clinton was infamous for that - he's the only President I can think of that responded to an attack on a U.S. warship by sending in the FBI.....

Thanks, Tony.

I agree that we're going back to the "law enforcement" strategy for fighting terrorism.

It won't work any better than it did before.

Ironically, it's all McCain's fault. Teleprompter Jesus is just implementing the disastrous McCain Amendment.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmQwYjYzNzFmOGY2YmQ0N2ZlZmU1MjAzY2ZjNGYxZmY=\

Of course, it's been around since 2005 and Bush wisely ignored it.

Thanks Tony you nailed it.

"Couldn't reading them the Miranda rights go something like this: BANG! You have the right to remain silent..."

eggs-actley!

3bus at least give them a choice of what cal. they would like to be shot with. They have a right to that.

Liberals like Solomander there will do nothing except lose America wars and get more Americans killed. By treating these flaming pieces of cockroach excrement as Otto beautifully pointed out, like common criminals guilty of mere shoplifting... we are excusing their actions of war against us. These fanatics don't care about "our laws" but will gladly use them to weaken us!

Dave,

We went to war with Iraq, a mistake, but I'll save that for another time perhaps, not Afghanistan. Therefore, I say again police action. Besides, even in this country, you do not have to be informed of your rights when apprehended. Only before questioning. Ask you lawyer.

Sorry Dave, I meant that response for Atomic Lib Shmasher.

Therefore, I say again police action.

"Police action" is just a term invented by politicians who didn't want to use the word "war." Korea wasn't a "police action." Vietnam wasn't a "police action." And Iraq wasn't a "police action."

Evil O, you are so confused. You're not a military man are you? You say "Korea wasn't a "police action." Vietnam wasn't a "police action." And Iraq wasn't a "police action."

Well let me enlighten you. In war there is only the victor and the vanquished. To the victor go the spoils. To the vanquished re-education if not complete annihilation. New religion, new government, a new way of commerce. All things are new the old is done away with.

American flags don't fly over those lands and their flags don't fly here. So tell if you can who is the victor and where is his land? In a real you subdue your enemy at all cost or all is lost. Know your enemy. Righteousness makes mighty men. Know Jesus Christ and you will know right and receive might.

Reverend Greenbud

"Solomon Joseph Greenbud at June 12, 2009 2:16 PM"

You just proved that you are a complete idiot.

KHarn, you sir should keep a dictionary handy. For it is obvious you don't know the meaning of the word idiot. My articulation alone disproves your assertion. Come now, with a little effort you can do better than that or are you a simpleton that does not know how to use such a resource. I am willing to bet it is simply faulheit, that's German for laziness, on your part.

You're a real scary warrior mister betrayer.

Evil O, you are so confused. You're not a military man are you?

Any military man who was in Vietnam, Korea, or Iraq could inform you that they were WARS. "Police action" is a meaningless phrase, invented by politicians. And you fell for it.

You say "Korea wasn't a "police action." Vietnam wasn't a "police action." And Iraq wasn't a "police action."

Yep, that's what I said.

Well let me enlighten you.

You are incapable of enlightening anyone, since you've repeatedly shown you don't know what you're talking about.

In war there is only the victor and the vanquished. To the victor go the spoils. To the vanquished re-education if not complete annihilation. New religion, new government, a new way of commerce. All things are new the old is done away with.

Honestly, what the hell are you talking about? Wars end with treaties, armistices, and cease-fires all the time. Many wars end without a victor or a vanquished. In World War I, the Germans lost, but they did not suffer "re-education if not complete annihilation." Does that mean that World War I wasn't a war? Was the Crimean War not a war? The Thirty Years War?

American flags don't fly over those lands and their flags don't fly here. So tell if you can who is the victor and where is his land?

Utterly irrelevant. Whether or not there is conquest doesn't change whether there was a war or not.

In a real you subdue your enemy at all cost or all is lost.

Sorry, Solomon, YOU are not the one who gets to define what war is.

Know your enemy. Righteousness makes mighty men. Know Jesus Christ and you will know right and receive might.

Learn history. You obviously haven't done more than a cursory study of the subject if you buy the lie that WARS like Korea and Vietnam were "police actions." My father had shrapnel in his body until the day he died from Korea, and he told me many horror stories. He also told me there was no practical difference between his experience there and in Germany during WW2. He wasn't in Korea to arrest anyone. He was there to defeat an enemy.

Oh, and you remind me of some people I knew when I was a Southern Baptist, many years ago. They couldn't have a three minute conversation about motor oil or the Miami Dolphins without mentioning Jesus twelve or thirteen times. I'm an agnostic, I don't care what your faith is, but its interesting that you feel this need to mention Jesus in virtually every comment. For whose benefit is this... ours, or yours?

Otto I think it's for show.

Yeah right Greenbud. Trying preaching your sermons to the Iranians or North Koreans. I'm sure they will understand your lord and savior.

Very nice, you just threw criticisms at President Obama for this policy, when it went into effect under President Bush. From the 2/12/2008 issue of the Washington Post:

"The Bush administration announced yesterday that it intends to bring capital murder charges against half a dozen men allegedly linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, based partly on information the men disclosed to FBI and military questioners without the use of coercive interrogation tactics....

FBI and military interrogators who began work with the suspects in late 2006 called themselves the "Clean Team" and set as their goal the collection of virtually the same information the CIA had obtained from five of the six through duress at secret prisons.

To ensure that the data would not be tainted by allegations of torture or illegal coercion, the FBI and military team won the suspects' trust over the past 16 months by using time-tested rapport-building techniques, the officials said....

Officials said most of the detainees talked to FBI and military interrogators, some for days, others for months, while one or two rebuffed them. The men were read rights similar to a standard U.S. Miranda warning, and officials designed the program to get to the information the CIA already had gleaned by using waterboarding, which simulates drowning, and other techniques such as sleep deprivation, forced standing and the use of extreme temperatures."

And this from Gen. Petraeus' keynote address:

9:55. A Fox News reporter asks about a Weekly Standard report that detainees were getting read Miranda rights. Petraeus says he has "No concerns at all. This is the FBI doing what the FBI does. ... The real rumor yesterday is whether our forces were reading Miranda rights to detainees and the answer to that is no."

Basing your arguments on a Fox report or even the Weekly Standard, DOES NOT MAKE IT SO. President Obama has not changed this policy that began under President Bush. And further, it could be said that this was not a Presidential policy at all, but a FBI policy to ensure that the quality of evidence is preserved. So, you can stop freaking out.

Here is the Petraeus live blog from the Washington Independent.
http://washingtonindependent.com/46472/petraeus-speaks-to-cnas

So what, Flintstone. If terrorists are being read Miranda rights, I don't care who is president when it happens.

You have this persistent fantasy that we're as much Bush-drones as you are an Obama drone. We're not.

Otto, it is an FBI policy! 30 some comments were made here against Obama, and it's neither his or Bush's policy. Obama could change, as could of Bush, but they recognized that by mirandizing the detainees it ensures the quality of evidence. Soldiers are not running around reading combatants their rights, interrogators and intelligence officials are. So, I am not accusing anyone of being a drone for anything, but read the facts before you spout of things like this
"Yeah. I shoplifted some books when I was a kid. I also regularly go five MPH over the speed limit, and have been known to jaywalk. That's totally the same as sawing someone's head off while screaming "Allahu Ackbar!!!"
Jeesh!!!

Evil Otto,

Okay, run with this, is the war on drugs a war? According to the book of Otto it would seem so. How about the war on poverty? The war on AIDS?

War is a state of open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations. So the aforementioned problems are not in of themselves "war'. However they are products of the only war that matters. The war that affects all of humanity, the war that we are all born into, the war of Good vs. Evil. The Holy vs. the unholy.

This is why I have to continually refer to the order of my King, the Lord Jesus Christ. I am duty bond as a warrior/servant of His. I just deliver the message, I am not the author. So it is for my benefit and yours if you obey Him. Anything else is comic treason and the penalty is death. Know your enemy.

As far as preaching to my distant neighbors I jump at every opportunity. I was so warmly welcomed when I was in Cairo Egypt I felt like a rock star. They didn't of course get or go with all that I said, that never happens, not even in revival at home. Yet they were completely engaged and willing to talk. That's how love and peace begin. I hope you find it.

Jesus is King of kings,

Rev. Greenbud