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Predictable response from the dumbass contingent. "But waterboarding *is* torture. John McCain said so." Yeah, John McCain also said a mudhole in Alaska was a beautiful scenic wilderness. The man is a senile dumbass. This is why he lost last year.

And the fact remains, the Teleprompter Messiah can't wait to reach out and take the bloody hands of the Mullahs in friendship.

He can bow, kiss his ring, and call him "Supreme Leader" all he wants... but these tyrants are laughing at Obambi. It doesn't matter what Obama says to the Mullahs now... they lost all respect for him when he started sending them fan mail. They know this smiley plastic mannequin isn't going to do anything.
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Ronald Reagan's support of Poland's Solidarity in the dark days of the Soviet-ordered crackdown is the model here... not the preposterous straw-man argument of "what are you going to do, invade?" disingenuously presented by the do-nothing, Obama-pologist left.
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And isn’t this what George W Bush told you was going to happen in the Middle East in the wake of Iraq’s liberation?
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Maybe that’s why Barack Obama has so little apparent interest in finishing the job in Iran… no matter how much it benefits the US and free world.
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That, and the fact that he’s already piled all his chips on legitimizing this vile regime- and a democratic revolution at this point would be downright embarrassing for him.
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http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/

Torture would be, locked in a room with The Ghost Of Wellstone.

And the fact remains, the Teleprompter Messiah can't wait to reach out and take the bloody hands of the Mullahs in friendship.

I know that V the K has some intelligence, I'm sure he could find at least one positive reason for why the state department would have this policy. It's not that hard. Why do you have to represent it as Obama wanting to be friends with murderers and torturer's, rather than what it really is, a difference of opinion in political strategy.

Brandon, perhaps a former President can explain it to you:
REPORTER: "Mr. President, Do you support the State Departments policy that the United States should--"
President Truman: "The State Department doesn't have a policy unless I support it"

The State Department policy is the Presidents policy -- and you question someone else on intelligence?

The State Department policy is the Presidents policy

Thanks for pointing that out captain obvious.

Why do you have to represent it as Obama wanting to be friends with murderers and torturers?

Um, because he does want to friends with murderers and torturers, you great bloody idiot. Why do you think he invited them to his 4th of July picnic? being friends with thugs and torturers is the TM's political strategy.

Dumbass.

Oh come on, I know you can do better than that.

Just to be clear, the State Department is part of the executive branch, of which the president (or nearest facsimile) is the boss. The State Department does not determine the policy, they represent his.

Brandon is not too bright. So type very slow so he can keep up.

Unless I am mistaken, the Teleprompter Messiah came down harder on Pro-Life groups (who had no connection with the murder of Tiller-the-Womb-Kitten exterminator) than he has with the Thugs of Tehran.

When the Thugs of Tehran gunned down Neda, it was, in his words, "a problem." When Tiller was gunned down, he was "shocked and outraged."

Also, he's propping up the thug Mugabe with $73 million in aid, and he dropped charges against the Black Panther thugs who intimidated voters in the 2008 elections.

He also equated Jews building houses with Paletinians firing rockets at schoolchildren.

The man has a certain comfort level with thugs.

Don't forget his moral handwringing outrage at the murder of Tiller:
I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.

versus statement on murder of Soldiers at the recruiting center:
“I am deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence against two brave young soldiers who were doing their part to strengthen our armed forces and keep our country safe. I would like to wish Quinton Ezeagwula a speedy recovery, and to offer my condolences and prayers to William Long’s family as they mourn the loss of their son.”

Obama's "outraged" by the murder of a baby butcher, and "saddened" by the murder of United States soldier.

I think his choice of words is very revealing, xantl. When the Womb-Kitten exterminator was killed, it was a "heinous act of violence." When Neda was killed, it was "a problem;" like when you're expecting six dinner guests and only have five wegyu steaks.

So America holds itself to a higher standard, and you hate that.

Just because you can one-up what's been done, doesn't mitigate it.

By your standard then, if worse atrocities were committed against someone else, then what this guy endured doesn't count?

Wow, this may be the dumbest anonymous dumbass yet. And that's saying something.

The guy in the picture was brutalized, with severe physical injuries, for no reason other than the raw assertion of power by a regime of thugs.

Three terrorists, on the hand, experienced temporary discomfort by having water poured on their noses, not in retribution, but to compel information to spare innocent human life.

Anyone who can not see a huge difference is either stupid, morally bankrupt, or... most likely... both.

Gregory:
You might be wasting your time with this liberal dipshit, whose moral relativism believes that waterboarding Al-Qaeda operatives is comparable to a beatings, and cutting of civilians.
We wouldn't want to make those 'wittle terrorists' feel all bad now would we? Isn't amazing the morals that liberals pluck out of thin air to protect murders, and terrorists?

Brandon in response to V the K: "Oh come on, I know you can do better than that."

Ok, in addition to the vile rodents from the Iranian regime he wants to befriend, Obama is friends with:

William Charles "Bill" Ayers: The reporter quoted Ayers as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again," as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility." Feminist critic Katha Pollitt sharply criticized Ayers' December 2008 New York Times opinion piece as a "sentimentalized, self-justifying whitewash of his role in the weirdo violent fringe of the 1960s-70s antiwar left."

Bernadine Dohrn - Dohrn was criticized for a comment she made about the Charles Manson-led Tate-LaBianca murders in a speech during the December 1969 "War Council" meeting organized by the Weathermen and attended by about 400 people in Flint, Michigan: "Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in pig Tate's belly. Wild!" Sharon Tate was over 8 months pregnant at the time. Dohrn also charged that her fellow left-wingers showed themselves to be scared "honkies" for not burning down Chicago when Black Panther leader Fred Hampton was killed, and urged her audience to arm themselves and be "a fighting force alongside the blacks". During the 1970s, the Weathermen bombed federal buildings and police stations. Prior to the March 6, 1970 Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which three members of the group were killed as a bomb was being constructed, all members of Weatherman went underground.

Lovely folks Dear Leader chooses to befriend, wouldn't you agree, Brandon?

Yeah, xantl, I know anonymous is a dumbass, but refuting dumbasses is good practice.

As for Brandeen, he insists Obama is following some sort of political strategy. What is this political strategy? Does he want the Mullahs left in place so he can use his Magic Negro powers to change them from thugs into respecters of human rights?

How does Obama's strategy of passive support for the thugs help the people of Iran? And how does it make the world a safer place?

Yes yes I understand and I also know that Ayers wrote Obama's biography, that Obama was really born in Kazakhstan and that he worships unicorns. I get all that.

Putting all that aside for the moment tell me why the following is implausible.

1. The Iranian leadership has classically hated and felt threatened by the America, because of our role in the 1953 coup, and our role in the Iran/Iraq war.

2. The Iranian people generally do not see America as the great Satan, many are curious about the fact that we have democracy but still have stability.

3. It's been 30 years since the Iranian revolution, over time there have obviously been new Iranian officials. I am willing to bet that some do not see America as the great satan that Khomeini says it is.

4. So we have the fourth of july, the celebration of the founding of our country. Do you think the hardline officials who hate America are likely to come hang out with our state department, eat barbecue and celebrate America? That would be like Jimbo going to North Korea to eat kimchi with Kim Jong-il. Not gonna happen.

5. So who might show up?

How does Obama's strategy of passive support for the thugs help the people of Iran?

How does Obama's strategy of passive support for the thugs help the people of Iran?

Economic sanctions = passive support?

What new economic sanctions has the Teleprompter Messiah imposed? And why should the Mullahs care when they can trade plenty with China and Russia?

Brandon: That's pretty funny stuff you got their pal: step aside world, peace is going to break out any minute, because of President Obama
Even when he does nothing, or makes a situation worse he gets the credit, and the adulation of human spittoons like yourself.

That's pretty funny stuff you got their pal: step aside world, peace is going to break out any minute, because of President Obama

Why are there so many idiots here putting words in my mouth?

Let me be clear: I don't, and never have, thought that Obama is going to make world peace.

Your reading comprehension is dismal xanti.

Most likely because you're incapable of expressing a rational thought.
You first come in saying it is a misrepresentation of Obama to say he wants to be friends with murders and torturers (ignoring of course the "no precondition" clauses in talks, ideas that promoting democracy is "meddling", his Youtube videos to the Iranian and his apology tour of the middle-east.)
Then you belittle his friendship with known leftist terrorists from the 60's group the weather underground.
Then you created a list missing the fact that Iran is still the largest terrorist state in the world, and that before 9/11 had killed more Americans than any terrorist organization world wide. You failed to mention that Iran is still engaged in terrorism against the United States including the attack, and kidnap and subsequent murder of American Soldiers in Iraq. You also failed to mention the Iranian state continues to destabilize the middle-east using their proxies Hezbelloh in Syria and Lebanon. Overlooked that Iran still gives material aid to terrorists in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq and lets not forget the thousands upon thousands chanting "Death to America, Death to Israel" at the Governments whim.
Then you credit the continuance of sanctions that have been in place over thirty years, with International ratification to Obama? GTFO troll.

xanti, now your bringing up whole bunch of related topics, (and I guess since you've learned that I can call you out when you insist I've said things I haven't you're resorting to insisting that I am thinking things that I haven't. Nice.) but you've ignored my main question. Do you think the hardcore Iranian officials who hate America are going to come to the state department, eat hamburgers and celebrate the creation of America with the state department?

If we made contact with just one official who had sympathies to the United States, wouldn't that be a good thing?

As events unfold in Iran it has become apparent that the Iranian leadership is not unified. Why not reach out to them diplomatically and try to take advantage of this?

No, I don't think it would be a good thing, did you miss the part about their murder of United States troops in Iraq, and them being the largest terrorist state in the world? -- or do you, like most Obama fans just want to gibber on about the moron-in-chief and his July 4th terrorist reach around?
You'd think idiot liberals would learn, but they keep talking about "diplomacy" with people who use it to stall for time. How is diplomacy working with North Korea and the "Six party talks" Brandon? How many refining centrafuses has Iran dismantled since the dual E.U & U.S negotiations started? How many have they added?

DERP DERP LETS TRY TO TALK TO HITLER - Typical Liberal.

Not even everyone in Hitler's government supported him.

... and that mattered what whit, to the millions of Nazi victims dragged to the gas chamber or forced to dig their own grave? Good rebuttal moron, you REALLY showed me.

So you've forgot my main point already, that the Iranian officials who would be likely to come to a fourth of July celebration would not be the hardcore death to America types.

You've brought up a bunch of important topics, but you still haven't addressed my first point.

Then it only serves two purposes: to make Obama supporters 'swoon' at his ability to just 'talk' to Americas enemies, and to show Iran that this President is willing to negotiate on his knees, than pursue policies that would threaten the heads of Iranian regime. If you think there is even one Mullah amongst the leadership that are pro-America, or even core members of the IRG you are clearly deluded.

You sure like to talk about mullahs.

Iranian diplomats are not mullahs.

Look at the at the conflicts among politicians in Iran that recent events have made apparent, and ask yourself if they would be useful contacts for the US.

You probably think that I want a diplomatic solution for peace. I would be happy to avert a nuclear arms race in the middle east, or having to turn Iran into a sea of glass.

I like to talk about the Mullahs because they are the only relevant power base of the Government. Do you think the politicians run what goes on in Iran? Who do the Quds force answer to? Hint: it isn't to the President or a diplomat! Who are the IRG most loyal to, the President or the Mullahs? If you cannot see that diplomats, and politicians are nothing more than a flimsy veneer hand picked by the theocratic dictatorship, to give it the appearance of a democracy I don't know what to tell you.
A nuclear Iran is not the only problem they are causing in the middle-east they are destabilizing countries like Egypt, and Lebanon and exporting/supporting terrorism from Tehran to latin America.

Brandon,

Let me offer three diplomats about whom you should learn in order to try and improve your case on the efficacy of diplomacy:



(1) Neville Chamberlain- one of history's most notable diplomatic duds

(2) Yassir Arafat - Pervert and murderer; got a standing ovation at the U.N.
(3) Madeline Albright -A lesson in self-deception and rank indolence.

Do some reading and then try and put your hazy suggestions about diplomacy with Iran's Mullahs in this context.

Fiberal……………..re: June 27, 2009 8:06pm (your chat w/Brandon).

It’s hopeless dealing with someone who is emotionally oriented. Brandon is probably very sincere—he fights hard for his cause, but he’s daft. He hasn’t a clue when it comes to history, and understanding history is one of our best methods of dealing with life. A sense of what just happened allows us to see the future more clearly, and clarifies what we need to do next. If I go down your list I can only say Brandon is the epitome of Neville Chamberlain in this day and age. Chamberlain pooh-poohed a Nazi threat, and in fact there was a serious national call to arrest Winston Churchill! I’m not saying Obama is Hitler. What I am saying is, there are people who are so obsessively wrapped up in cleaning the dirt off the blinds, they don’t even know the house is on fire. That was England’s Prime Minister, and bless his well-intentioned heart, that is Brandon.

Let me convey some history to Brandon. You mentioned Yassar Arafat. President Bush overrode congress and gave the Palestinian Authority double what the liberals wanted us to give them. Bush was compassionate. The Israelis supported it. The U.S. gave Arafat, through his P.L.O., almost a billion dollars. Israel gave the Palestinians Gaza. What happened? Arafat stole almost the entire billion, and the Palestinians rocketed Israel from Gaza. Got it? Then get this…

Barack Obama’s neighbor in Chicago, a man named Rashid Khalidi, was a spokesman for Arafat and the PLO. Rashid Khalidi has headed one of the largest anti-Israel Arab organizations in Chicago for years and years. By Khalidi’s own admission (look it up on Google—Obama/Khalidi), Khalidi and his wife often babysat Michelle and Barack’s kids. They went to dinner at one another’s homes. Khalidi gave money to Obama’s campaign. Obama gave a huge benefit for Khalidi when he changed professorships. They were tight! Khalidi ‘brags’ that their other close neighbors, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, were tremendous friends also, with both the Khalidis and Ayers and Dohrn, sharing frequent intimate in-home dinners. Everyone on all sides admits this, but somehow Ayers and Obama, in this quaint three-block neighborly atmosphere for years, never met. Somehow I think even Neville Chamberlain would call bullshit on that one.

Brandon, go to www.jackcashill.com, and read this man’s brilliant critiques on who wrote ‘Dreams from my Father”. You might enjoy it.

If you look in the Iranian dictionary:

Diplomacy \Di*plo"ma*cy\, n
1. ] The time between creation, installation and injection of Uranium hexafluoride into new centrifuge cascades.