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Right now we are feeling the effects of the 2006 Congress. Before the year is out, we will witness the DISASTER born of the 2008 Liberal/socialist victory.

You know what made us look weak? Our disastrous handling of the Iraq war. From the WMD, to the welcomed as liberators, to the complete lack of forsight in the number of troops we would need.

It also makes us weak when we fight unpopular wars. How many people decided not to join the army because they feared they would be sent to fight a war they could not justify? Now with Iraq as another unpopular war, we can have a whole generation that has seen our government send soldiers to fight and die in a war for a false reason. If we had simply done our job in Afgahnistan and/or Pakistan, then there would be hardly anyone who could doubt the justness of our military decisions.

I'm not going to say it was the best idea to go to Iraq in the first place, but we had our reasons. We won there. We won the war and we won the peace. It's taken the leftstream media's best effort throughout to turn it into an "unpopular war", and look how easily they installed their puppet jomama. That's how hard they've had to work to get that lie off the ground, and too many of us still don't believe it.

re: Posted by: Brandon at June 10, 2009 7:44 PM

"How many people decided not to join the Army because they feared they would be sent to fight a war they could not justify?"

This view is taken as "conventional wisdom" by the political Left - but it has no relation to reality. Most leftists have no idea who really joins the volunteer military, and why. The reenlistment rate has hit all time highs, too.

As for OIF / OEF, they are not failures at all - in fact, the GWOT is actually one of the most successful military operations in human history.

In a relatively short time we projected Americam military power halfway around the world, freed over 50 million people (many of them Muslims) and brought free elections, and improvements in infastructure and education.

We did this all with less loss of American lives than it took to invade Iwo Jima, and relatively few civilian casualties as well (in spite of what The Lancet says).

We also did it on the cheap - compared to the cost of previous wars as a percentage of GDP (and as compared to normal peacetime levels of military spending) this is the least expensive war we have ever fought.

Failure? Not at all.

"We did this all with less loss of American lives than it took to invade Iwo Jima..."

Posted by: TonyD95B at June 10, 2009 8:32 PM

Hell, Tony - we did it with fewer lives lost than violent deaths in American Liberal-run Porn-belt cities over the same period of time - and I don't include car wrecks.

On average, liberalism costs more lives every year than any other cause.

Not everyone in hollyweird is a tree hugging granola munching worshipper of gaia

Brandon asks, "You know what made us look weak?"

Yes - here is a list of some, but by no means all, of what and who has made us look weak:

Dick Durbin (D-Ill) comparing the treatment of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp to methods used by the Nazis, Soviets and other repressive regimes (which he was later forced to apologize). Al Jazeera broadcasted these smears to the Mideast to incite even more foment in radical muslims, certainly putting our troops even more in harms way.

Dirty Harry Reid calling George Bush, a president who had the fortitude to do what was right to combat those who would destroy us, rather than what was politically expedient, a loser and a liar, and later said that he would only retract the "loser" comment

MoveOn.org and its petition drive less than 48 hours after the collapse of the Twin Towers
Petition 1: "We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of the United States of America and of countries around the world, appeal to the President of The United States, George W. Bush; to the NATO Secretary General, Lord Robertson; to the President of the European Commission, Romano Prodi; and to all leaders internationally to use moderation and restraint in responding to the recent terrorist attacks against the United States. We implore the powers that be to use, wherever possible, international judicial institutions and international human rights law to bring to justice those responsible for the attacks, rather than the instruments of war, violence or destruction."

Al Sharpton, 12/1/02, New York Times, on the 9/11 attacks: "America is beginning to reap what it has sown."

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), 3/1/2003, Toledo Blade: "One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped cast off the British crown."

Joe Biden, 10/22/01: "The Bombing Campaign, [Biden] Said, Reinforced Existing Stereotypes Of The United States As A High-Tech Bully (Ibid.)

Jack Murtha - We have "a flawed policy wrapped in illusion," and said the continued presence of U.S. troops in Iraq is "uniting the enemy against us." and worst of all said the Marines shot the Iraqis "in cold blood," and claimed that there was an attempted cover-up of the incident.

Michelle Obama - "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country ..."

Nancy Pelousy's hyping of the phony waterboarding scandal

As Karl Rove stated "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

... But we can't call into question the Left's patriotism.

Pssssst - ZM - you're trying to confuse silly liberals with facts! It won't work - they will write that stuff out of history in our lifetime.

FYI - Voight was on Beck tonight explaining the background to his comments.

It's not something silly little liberals want to watch. They wouldn't understand actual Truth and reason.

Internment camps, torture, rape, and sexual assault make us look week. Lying to justify war makes us look weak. Invading contires that pose no threat to our security makes us look weak, and frankly no better then those we claim to be fighting.

"How many people decided not to join the Army because they feared they would be sent to fight a war they could not justify?"

What a fucking stupid question.

Why do leftards insist on talking about military affairs when they haven't the first clue about anything to do with the military?

Posted by: Brandon at June 10, 2009 7:44 PM

You know what made us look weak? The meme generated by the Democratic party and the mainstream media that our handling of the Iraq war was disastrous, that there were no WMD, that we weren't welcomed as liberators, and that a change of tactics becoming a necessity means there was a complete lack of forsight in the number of troops we would need.

Fixed it for you.

If we had simply done our job in Afgahnistan and/or Pakistan, then there would be hardly anyone who could doubt the justness of our military decisions.

B. U. L. L. S. H. I. T.

Your own liberal messiah, the great orator Barack Obama himself, claimed that U.S. troops in Afghanistan were "just air raiding villages and killing civilians."

On behalf of all Armed Forces personnel in the US, Australia (my homeland) and every other ally who fought and died to bring peace and democracy to Iraq, go screw yourself.

@wingnutlicker

Bad spelling, poor grammar, and no well-articulated argument makes you look weak, and uneducated, you troglodyte buffoon.

How many of you are sharing that moniker, anyway?

If we had simply done our job in Afgahnistan and/or Pakistan, then there would be hardly anyone who could doubt the justness of our military decisions.

That must be why progressives were so classy over the death of Pat Tillman!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38261

now if he and craig t. nelson could get together and coax their other conservative buddies in hollyweird out of the closet, we'd all know which movies to watch and which to boycott. they are both humble type guys too.

The DEMACROOK CONgress they all belong on THE DEVILS ASTERIOD,THE SPICEMINES OF KESSEL, or ELBA II

Now you've got me thinking.

Voight's comment about the playground, and swinging each other around brings to mind that syrupy seventies song "Playground in my Mind." (How many Moonbattery readers remember THAT song? Bonus points if you name the guy who sang it).

And that's where The One, his false followers all the people who voted for him, the gasconading paltroons (thanks to Bill O'Reilly for that one!) in the news media live--in a playground in their own demented, tortured, brainwashed, Kool-Aid drenched minds.

RE: Posted by: Brandon at June 11, 2009 9:24 AM

Brandon comments, "Now you've got me thinking."

There ya go, Laddie! We always held out hope for ya!

JOHNNY DEPPS SUCKS BIG TIME

Thinking like Flu-Spur? He does most of the heavy lifting on this site.

“bring an end to this false prophet Obama.”

Gleh.

Toxic, pseudo-Scriptural rhetoric.