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June 29, 2009

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Compliments of Diversity Lane.

Posted by Van Helsing at June 29, 2009 10:35 AM

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Liberal moonbats consiter chopping down a tree a bigger crime then abortion

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at June 29, 2009 11:23 AM

Couldn't have said it better.....

Posted by: JoeShmoe at June 29, 2009 12:09 PM

These threads are comical. Conservatives can say anything, or call people anything, but as soon as it's turned on you you guys flip out. Somethingawful.com, who is having photoshop fun with little Trig...it's a satirical site. The California Speaker refers to Cons as "terrorists" and your flipping out, while calling President Obama a "Communist", a "Muslim", "Anti-American" etc. You are as hypocritical as the serial adulterers you vote for.

Posted by: Deltacat at June 29, 2009 12:56 PM

Teen Sexting Is Back in the News

The debate goes on: Do 20% of kids sext, or 25%? As if it matters whether one in five or one in four children engage in the activity which has become a buzzword in the teenage culture.

In fact, it may be one in three or an even greater phenomenon. Why adults would think teenagers would be upfront and totally honest about what they do with and on their cellphones is an even greater mystery.

Since my kids have long been out in the world as successful grown-ups, I can’t personally relate to the whole issue of adolescent sexting, which continues to be re-defined and refined by adults. Whether we elders even grasp the scope and import of this latest teen craze is questionable.

Back in the day, the worst my generation had to deal with were sex and drugs and rock and roll.

Sexting, however, has now become so ingrained in American life that one website, urbandictionary.com, has seen fit to officially lay out multiple definitions, as well as teen reactions to the adult world’s impertinence in seeking to define what is theirs, territory into which anyone over 20 or 25 should never venture nor critique.

That urban, and suburban and rural, dictionary posits this offering on sexting: “v: the act of text messaging someone in the hopes of having a sexual encounter with them later; initially casual, transitioning into highly suggestive and even sexually explicit.”

Congenitally defensive teens offered various rebuttals and clarifications. They included: ”The term [sexting] is used by adults who are out of the loop, and not by the individuals actually sending the messages.” And, “like phone sex except throught texting.” And, “When a guy and a girl send dirty text messages back and forth to each other. Pictures may also be included, but only if you’re lucky:” http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sexting.

That’s all very enlightening but it sheds little light on sexting.

Not so lucky but quite enlightened was assistant principal at Virginia’s South Riding High School, Ting-Yi Oei. He was delegated by the principal to investigate “rumors that some students at the school were exchanging sexually explicit [sexted] photos of a teenage girl.”

He duly investigated, identified the culprit, and as instructed, captured the picture on his cell phone and laptop as evidence.

He was subsequently charged “with felony possession of child porn as well as with two misdemeanor counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor for instructing the male student to send him the photo.”

Assistant Principal Oei beat that rap, and the county, eventually, reimbursed him for the $167,000 in legal fees he incurred for doing his job as per his directions: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/sexting/

Whether he got any jollies from the picture in question, which showed only the torso of a female student “clad in underwear . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at June 29, 2009 12:56 PM

Deltarat, Would it be ok for a website to make cruel images of your disabled child? Probably because scum like you have no conscience.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at June 29, 2009 1:01 PM

How many photoshop pics are used on this site? Plus this site is not very satirical, unless you include the oozing hypocrisy.

Posted by: Deltacat at June 29, 2009 1:06 PM

If you'll notice deltarat none of the photoshopped pictures are of obaba's kids or any other politician. What you don't understand,obviously, is that we believe children are off limits,especially disabled kids. Maybe you should wander on down to the cesspool with andy and so stoned. Scumbag.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at June 29, 2009 1:10 PM

Oo Oo a new troll to play with!!!!

Posted by: Stephana at June 29, 2009 1:11 PM

Ooh "oozing hypocrisy", is it? Care to point out any examples, or are you just blowing off your lefty talking points? It'll be "hate" next, followed by "racism" and "ignorance" if I had my guess.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at June 29, 2009 1:22 PM

Ya know, Deltacat makes a point. You guys do "ooze hypocrisy" around here.The Trig photos, not my thing, but the State Rep. calling Conservatives "terrorists", thats fair. I saw the Sanford nonsense was being called "a family tragedy" last week, when I can guarantee John Edwards and Bill Clinton were crucified on Moonbattery. It's a double standard for Conservatives.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 1:25 PM

deltarat:

The difference is he IS a Marxist, anti-American, muslim. Here's the proof:

Lets pretend for a moment that our obamination is not trying to destroy the country. Ask yourself, "If he were trying to destroy the country, what would he do differently than he's done and doing now"?

At every opportunity, his and the actions of congress, have pushed us away from responsibility, accountability, and freedom. He's moving us towards Socialism. Next up on the list is health care. I'm sure it will be run as well as: Medicare, the RMV, Social Security, and our public schools.

Posted by: bjd at June 29, 2009 1:31 PM

Calling conservatives "terrorists" is fair? A flippant remark with no further explanation. I'm a conservative and I never ever go around harming people or property in any way.

I'm not feeding that cat up there, I have enough at home to feed.

Posted by: Karin at June 29, 2009 1:32 PM

Scare tactic after scare tactic has been Republican rhetoric for decades. Look no further than Cheney, or any GOP Senators or Congresspeople. Not much different than the actions of terrorists prior to an attack. Trying to scare people about taxes is a reasonable analogy.

bjd,what do you suppose we do about the rising healthcare costs and aiding those w/o? You wanna just do nothing? If you like your plan you can keep it, if have none you'll be covered. It is pretty simple. The Conservative argument contradicts itself. First Conservatives say it will be a disaster, and then they say it will be so good that it will harm the Insurance industry. Make up your minds!

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 1:43 PM

"'Scare Tactics' is a conservative tactic" screeched the silly liberals who claim the oceans will swamp Florida & New York, the polar bears are dying, famine is coming and we'll all be dead in 10 years because we drive SUVs.

Grow freaking up, dipshit.

Posted by: Jimbo at June 29, 2009 1:53 PM

"'Scare Tactics' is a conservative tactic" screeched the silly liberals who claim the oceans will swamp Florida & New York, the polar bears are dying, famine is coming and we'll all be dead in 10 years because we drive SUVs."

Jimbo, did you just blindly push the keys, or are you that immature? "Gay marriage will harm the sanctity of traditional marriage", "Obama is making us less safe", "Not if we get attacked again, but when" "WMDS", "Obama is a Socialist" , does this Cold War rhetoric sound familiar? Bush was not elected twice for his sound performance, you guys scared the hell out of people, and in this past election people stood up to the GOP and said we are afraid, and wish a different strategy.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 2:14 PM

nd in this past election people stood up to the GOP and said we are afraid, and wish a different strategy.

Then why did Obama run as a moderate instead of the far left Fascist he is?

Remember the good old days when Obama said he's take a scalpel and cut spending? You know, before he was sworn in and quadrupled the deficit?

What about when he said we wouldn't see 9% unemployment if the Porkulus Bill passed? Oops. 9.4 and rising.

Barack Obama: Worst. President. Ever.

Posted by: Naqamel at June 29, 2009 2:18 PM

Wellstone spirit:
The government does not and can not operate in the free market. Trying to mix in a single payer, government plan and say it will compete with a true, "paid for by the covered" (either paid for by employee, employer or both) is a fallacy.

The government option is NOT funded by those covered, it's passed onto all taxed. Translation is they will tax my health care benefits to pay for those that don't have benefits. (Did you see that quick transfer of wealth?) What eventually will happen is my extremely good health care benefits will go away and we will all be forced into government care because we will be prevented by taxation from buying our own coverage.

The way to bring costs down, is the same way you bring down the cost of every other service or product. It's called supply side economics. (Maybe you need to learn what that is.) By putting caps on costs, you're going to: create shortages of services, limit the discovery of new drugs and procedures, lessen the quality of care. If you don't believe me look to EVERY country, EVERY SINGLE ONE WITHOUT FAIL, that has government run health care. It does not work. (That includes MA and all these SCHIP programs that are rapidly going or are already broke.)

A great test for obama-care would be:
Lets try it out on every member of the legislative, executive, and judicial branch of government first. Then, after all the bugs are fixed, deploy it nationwide. My guess is NOT A SINGLE PERSON would even think of taking the government option. Can you imagine dear leader's children or wife going to see the same doctor as those they "claim" to cater to? What would be her response to seeing "the poor" in the waiting room? I'm sure they'll love her French sneakers.

Posted by: bjd at June 29, 2009 2:34 PM

Conservatives can say anything, or call people anything

Tell that to Rush Limbaugh and Carrie Prejean.

Somethingawful.com, who is having photoshop fun with little Trig...it's a satirical site.

So, making fun of disabled kids is what left-wingers find funny. And Gallstones, unsurprisingly, agrees.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 2:44 PM

Supply side is partially what got us in this mess. The Friedman approach on greed served only some. Being the only industrialized nation without a public option has seen far too many turned away from getting insurance because of a pre-existing condition, the unemployed cannot afford to be covered as COBRA is not a viable option due to high co-pays. Coming up with reasons not to get this done is typical right-wing blather. So, I ask you, do you want health care reform by the fall? Do you want to get it done? Or are you happy with your premiums going up? The point is, you guys can't get on the same page with your talking points. What you are missing, is that it is repeated that if you are happy with what you have, keep it. Or you can be covered under a public option. Or you can oppose it, see rates go up, see more fellow citizens fall further behind, and an even bigger increase in bankruptcy filings. The tired rhetoric that the other countries with a Government plan fail,is weak. Close friends in Toronto, Malmo Sweden, London and Germany all claim differently.

Further, the funny part is, you are more concerned about keeping people uninsured than what it has cost us going into wars. We have to get it done.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 2:56 PM

"The Trig photos, not my thing,", yeah, right, it received my glowing approval...Nice try V.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 2:59 PM

Yeah, well, chick flicks aren't my thing. Would anyone confuse that sentence with a strong statement of condemnation?

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 3:19 PM

The left does things like attack Trig Palin for a reason; it's because while their voting demographic may be too stupid to understand the macroeconomic implications of tax policy; they can look at a picture and say, "Ha-ha, b-tch's kid is a reee-tard."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 29, 2009 3:33 PM

People turned away from coverage by a pre-existing condition? Do you realize what you're saying? Take auto insurance. Don't get any until you have a wreck, then go in and pay your premium so you can be "made whole" by the insurance. Don't you understand that if you do this, your premium will tend to the cost of the repair? Nobody will pay premiums until they have events that require coverage. There's a damn good reason for rejecting people with pre-existing conditions. They should have done the responsible thing and seen to it they had coverage, vs a plasma TV or new car or whatever they thought they needed to show up with. It's available. It costs money, but it's available. Health care is a product, not a right.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at June 29, 2009 3:33 PM

Supply-side ecconomics in various forms have been proven over many millinium. Socialist ecconomics have all failed within a few years.

Posted by: KHarn at June 29, 2009 3:35 PM

Evil, that is ridiculous. And if those people are laid off or underemployed? To assume these people spent said monies on frivolous products is just shallow, and pointless. People are routinely turned away, because the insurance companies do not want to cover them because they are more likely to draw a claim. The elderly,and the poor fall victim to this practice, and then when they are rushed to emergency and are unable to pay, you rate goes up in order to care for them. Raising taxes to provide a Government plan is the only solution. It will keep premiums low and have everyone covered. Taking aspects of nationalized healthcare and enhancing it is the only logical thing to do.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 3:46 PM

Raising taxes to provide a Government plan is the only solution. It will keep premiums low and have everyone covered.

Right, because the government runs everything so efficiently and effectively. Like the VA hospitals. And Medicare! Medicare goes broke in how many years?

How many Canadians have to be shipped across the border because there are no available treatment facilities? Canadians wait how long for basic treatments?

And how is it fair to me ... a Mormon who doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, doesn't screw around, and has a responsible BMI... to have my tax dollars confiscated to subsidize the care of people who make bad health decisions?

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 3:51 PM

Dear Leader says he doesn't want to "meddle" when Iranian thugs are butchering people in the street, but he's eager as hell to meddle in the private health care choices of regular Americans.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 3:54 PM

Suddenly, It's okay to question the patriotism of people who dissent. But only when Democrats attack the patriotism of Republicans for opposing the Cap and Tax bill.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 4:00 PM

Also, the wonderful Cap and Trade bill double taxes domestic refineries, but not foreign ones. Just what we need, more reduction in American refining capacity.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 4:03 PM

V, you cannot blindly say that these people have made poor health choices, that is moronic. What is being demonstrated is the Conservative hopes have having class war, it has been going on for decades..."I got mine, so screw you!" What a bunch of selfish babies!

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 4:13 PM

Being from Canada I can say a thing or 2 about socialized medicine.

Free health-care is anything but free. In BC the province bills you directly and then on average in Canada $7500 per person is taken directly from your taxes to cover costs.

In my lifetime (and I'm a diabetic) I haven't spent 1/2 of what they have stolen out of my pocket. I want my money back.


Posted by: FREE at June 29, 2009 4:33 PM

Let congress live with the government option for their length of service. How many do you think will run for a second term?

Posted by: bjd at June 29, 2009 4:53 PM

Yes, interesting that congress isn't willing to adopt this wonderful ObamaCare scheme for themselves, nor does Dear Leader wish to use it for his own family.

Interesting.

I can see why Robert Byrd wouldn't like ObamaCare; what with Dear Leader's "We'll save money by putting the elderly out of our misery" plan.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 4:59 PM

As for Gallstones, I think real selfishness and when you insist someone else should pay your medical bills.

Liberals are always so damned generous with other people's money.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 5:00 PM

One other note, the reason Gallstone resorts to spewing about "selfishness" is because he knows liberals are essentially looking to ... once again... tax people who makes responsible choices in order to subsidize other people's bad choices. He just won't admit it.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 5:33 PM

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 5:42 PM

I made the mistake of peeking at the comments over at Huff Po regarding the CRap and Tax bill.

OMG somebody help me my eyes are bleeding and I thing I barfed in my mouth a little.

Posted by: BeefyT at June 29, 2009 5:56 PM

Actually, Rep. Eric Massa, a vet and former Republican refused his Congressional health care until we the people are covered with the same coverage. Put his money where his mouth is. V, it is nonsense to think liberals want to use health care as an excuse to tax you. That is childish.And again, determining that all sick people w/o insurance made bad decisions is foolish. Tending to the needs of "the people" means all of the people. We can likely agree that lobbyists from the insurance and pharma companies have too much power over both parties. Tending to their needs is what is in the way of something getting done. Further,using the National Review as a source is proves my point that coming up with excuses to do nothing is a right-wing tactic.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 6:01 PM

Free, I have heard numerous claims out of Canada. Pros and Cons. I have family in Hamilton and Toronto and, honestly, I would say they are split. Now is it higher in some Provinces and less in others?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 6:05 PM

I got mine, so screw you!" What a bunch of selfish babies!

More like, I've paid for mine, get your own.

Posted by: xantl at June 29, 2009 6:06 PM

Oh, yeah, we should definitely discount the opinions of National Review because in the past they claimed silly things like that the stimulus was loaded with pork projects and would blow up the deficit while producing little economic impact.

Gee, how much of that analysis turned out to be right?

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 6:08 PM

Raising taxes to provide a Government plan is the only solution.
Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 3:46 PM

it is nonsense to think liberals want to use health care as an excuse to tax you. That is childish.
Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 6:01 PM

What a difference 2 hours and 15 minutes make.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 6:11 PM

1 in 6 US refineries to close by 2020 under Cap and Tax. This must be what Dear Leader means by "It's a jobs bill."

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 6:25 PM

V, what are you 12? Yes, raising taxes is something I would endorse to pay for universal health care. Am I saying I want health care just so I can tax you? No. Keep making excuses to do nothing, and the GOP shows their need for a class war.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 6:29 PM

You want to confiscate the money I earn by working to pay for other people's bad lifestyle choices. Because you're a liberal. And that's what liberals do. You do it with welfare (failed government program). You did it when you socialized the risk of extending mortgages to financially irresponsible people. (failed government program.)

You confiscate the earnings of people who make responsible choices in life to subsidize people who make bad choices but will vote your ilk into power. It's what the left has always done. And there is nothing selfish in opposing it.

It's you who are selfish. You want to take other people's money and spend it to make yourself feel better. That's pretty f--king selfish if you ask me.

If you're so damn confident the government can run the program so damn well, then let them enact their reform on Medicare and Medicaid first.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 6:41 PM

What a difference 2 hours and 15 minutes make.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 6:11 PM


LOL V!

Point out a liberal's stupid waffling and he asks how old you are??!!

LOL!! That's why I don't argue with the stupid worthless bastards. How can you argue with crap like that? They are f*cking idiots.

Posted by: Jimbo at June 29, 2009 6:57 PM

I suppose I should feel bad slapping around a paid idiot like Gallstone... but he makes it so easy.

His delusion that liberal politicians are pure hearted and only interested in the welfare of others is comically naive.

And I never did get an answer from him on whether it was ignorance or stupidity that led to him knocking up his girlfriend.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 7:35 PM

Democrat Underground moonbats not dealing well with the success of FoxNews. There aren't enough meds in the world for the "reality based community" to deal with, you know, reality.

Posted by: V the K at June 29, 2009 7:40 PM

Slapped around? Gimme a break, I figured you had more than that. You conveniently leave out that I mentioned the lobbyists from the said industries have their hands allover members of both parties, and I am not laying blame on the GOP alone, the Blue Dogs are equal in this. You also conveniently did not answer when you were asked"do you want to get it a health care bill by the fall?". And you want to know about my ex? That's classy

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 8:52 PM

Test

Posted by: Oiao at June 29, 2009 9:03 PM

GallStoner, Is it "selfish" of the unions since they will be exempt from being taxed on their health care plans thru their employers under Barky's socialist health plan? Why can't they be treated just like the rest of us lowly subjects? Looks like Barky is giving them a reward for their vote.

Posted by: Bryherb at June 29, 2009 9:20 PM

Test 2

Posted by: Oiao at June 29, 2009 9:34 PM

Test
Posted by: Oiao at June 29, 2009 9:03 PM

Oiao...
You know, don't you, that Smellstone is going to argue with that post and ask you your age. I'm certain he will also ascertain you are a terrorist who shoots abortionists, and that you are a racist, and a bigot.

The word ‘Test’ is hurtful to minorities, scares the pee out of druggies, conjures up visions of doing “good” or “bad” which liberals don’t comprehend, and is the first four letters of something none of them have.

Posted by: Jimbo at June 29, 2009 9:34 PM

Test 2
Posted by: Oiao at June 29, 2009 9:34 PM

OMG! You did it again!!! You are SOOOO full of "hate"!

Posted by: Jimbo at June 29, 2009 9:36 PM

Bryherb, I feel the same about the Unions being exempt from taxes on insurance, as I do about Churches having tax exempt status....I disagree with it. Jimbo, that last comment was "oozing" intellect, you been practicing that one all day?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 9:46 PM

Tell us, Smellstone, why is it you insist on polluting these waters? There has to be a deeper reason than the fact you are a dumbass. You know that everyone here (except your alter egos) know you for the childish idiot you are. Do you expect to convert people to your idiocy? No one is swayed to the left by your ineptness. Exactly why is it you insist on proving your stupidity day after day?

Keep in mind (ha!-ha-ha-ha! Like you have a mind) I’m not looking for a debate with you, because, after all, only a fool argues with a fool: This is a ‘clinical’ question only (inquiring minds want to know): What satisfaction DO you get out of making an ass of yourself? Was your father a great ass and you have to be a better ass than he? Do you hate your mother because she called your father an ass? Did your parents force you to go to nudist camps where everyone laughed at you for being so little?

Tell us all – why do you insist on making such a fool of your self again, and again, and again, and again? Hmmmm? :-)

Posted by: Jimbo at June 29, 2009 10:18 PM

Does it anyone else find it a little creepy that a family has a photo of the President hung up on a wall?

Or do conservatives have photos of Reagan in their home?

Posted by: Jason at June 29, 2009 10:37 PM

Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 2:56 PM- "Coming up with reasons not to get this done is typical right-wing blather."

You tell these robbers-of-happiness what for, comrade. How dare they come up with reasons. Bah! The revolution has no need of bourgeois "reason".

Ghost of Wellstone- "The tired rhetoric that the other countries with a Government plan fail,is weak."

Weak, tired rhetoric or not, they do fail.

Ghost of Wellstone- "Close friends in Toronto, Malmo Sweden, London and Germany all claim differently."

Your close communist comrades in Toronto, Malmo Sweden, London and Germany all claim differently? What a surprise. How are those places doing now, in regards multicultural mass immigration? Where will those countries be, in 10 years time? Those Govt health programs worked... for awhile. With stable, HOMOGENOUS cultures and populations, that were not expanding exponentially from invasions of 3rd world colonizers. Socialist health care was an ideological luxury that was offset by prosperity, and common values of self-reliance, and responsibility amongst a relatively small population with a common culture. Even then, the extended period of economic stability prevented collapse- the ratio of working taxpayers to dependents was not a significant factor. Those places aren't in such a healthy social position, anymore. Rapid, mass multi-culti immigration by those that bring nothing to the table but demands, and state dependency, have reduced them to overpopulated, balkanized, dysfunctional time-bombs, with State-dependence to private-sector imbalances comparable to the Soviet bloc. They cannot be maintained much longer, and are swiftly approaching pathetic standards. If your comrades say it "works" it can only be that they are radical leftist activists, they are wealthy champagne Fabians, or they are willfully ignorant. Those countries are all in different stages of being swamped. Some are somewhat better than others, for now. But they will end up at the same destination. 3rd world health care. The USA is in an even worse position than some of those countries, with it's own overpopulation of immigrants and aliens. The only thing that keeps American health standards high is the current non-collectivist system. Those nations at least had the advantage of starting under optimal conditions. If America submits to socialist health care, at this stage, it will be like adding acid to water.

Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 3:46 PM- "Raising taxes to provide a Government plan is the only solution."

No, you could offload the deadwood and parasites from the system. Clear the country of all useless baggage and parasites. Axe the anchor baby scam. Deport all illegals, cut immigration to 0%. There are many options to raising taxes. But that's the Socialist International/Democrat voting bloc, so that's obviously off the table.

Ghost of Wellstone- "Taking aspects of nationalized healthcare and enhancing it is the only logical thing to do."

In regards the Hegelian Dialectic, of course it is.

Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 4:13 PM- "What is being demonstrated is the Conservative hopes have having class war, it has been going on for decades..."I got mine, so screw you!" What a bunch of selfish babies!"

Indeed, comrade. Class warfare is waged by the reactionary dogs when they resist the collective. When socialists seize through tax it is merely liberation of resources, from criminal capitalists. The notion of keeping the fruits of one's labour is a bourgeois criminal concept, and a lie. There is nothing outside the collective.

Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 6:01 PM- "it is nonsense to think liberals want to use health care as an excuse to tax you. That is childish"

No, it is accurate. It is a basic tenet of socialist revolution.

Ghost of Wellstone- "Tending to the needs of "the people" means all of the people. We can likely agree that lobbyists from the insurance and pharma companies have too much power over both parties."

But not the marxist NGO lobbyists, right?

Ghost of Wellstone- "Tending to their needs is what is in the way of something getting done."

Tending to the needs of "Insurance" and "pharma" might indeed be hampering the revolution.

Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 6:29 PM-
"Am I saying I want health care just so I can tax you? No."

Maybe you aren't. But I am.

Ghost of Wellstone- "Keep making excuses to do nothing, and the GOP shows their need for a class war."

They will rue the day they impeded the revolution, comrade. The GOP and the Kulaks are one and the same. Insulting the Soviet with their selfish refusal to submit to the collective is a declaration of class war.

Posted by: chairman soetoro's oprichniki at June 29, 2009 11:52 PM

Posted by: chairman soetoro's oprichniki at June 29, 2009 11:52 PM

LOL!!! : )

Class war. On my goodness. The insects just crawl out of the woodwork when the house politic is ablaze with revolution.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 30, 2009 12:47 AM

KevinR...See you're up late--I'm just nodding off. Check out the bloody polar bear comments again. Keep chompin' moonbats nightowl.

Posted by: AlphaMail at June 30, 2009 1:24 AM

Oops; small thing - meant to type Oh my goodness.

Class war. That's a good one. LOL!!!

Oh my goodness...


Posted by: Kevin R at June 30, 2009 1:27 AM

Posted by: AlphaMail at June 30, 2009 1:24 AM

Yeah, just got off work.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 30, 2009 1:28 AM

Posted by: Anonymous at June 30, 2009 1:28 AM

Oops, that was me again. Tired.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 30, 2009 1:30 AM

"Energy czar" admits to not having read the cap and trade bill.

Posted by: mandible claw at June 30, 2009 2:56 AM

Scare tactic after scare tactic has been Republican rhetoric for decades. Look no further than Cheney, or any GOP Senators or Congresspeople. Not much different than the actions of terrorists prior to an attack. Trying to scare people about taxes is a reasonable analogy.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 1:43 PM

Lol okay then. Last I checked it wasn't conservatives trying to rejig the entire economy because they think the oceans are going to rise up and drown everyone.

Posted by: mandible claw at June 30, 2009 3:04 AM

Raising taxes to provide a Government plan is the only solution.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 29, 2009 3:46 PM

So, are we officially done with the "tax cut for 95% of Americans" stuff now?

Posted by: mandible claw at June 30, 2009 3:08 AM

Let's compromise Wellstone. Let's have Obama work up a plan to fix Medicare and the VA. If the nation is impressed with his solution, we can try moving on to bigger things. Deal?

Then, in regards to whatever health care reform he wants to enact, let's do this:

The House, Senate, and President, along with all of their staff and family, must have the same health care that everyone else must have, and they must pay the same amount for it as we do. In addition they must be prohibited by law from going outside of the system they craft.

^Italicized because this is not my original thought.

Deal?

Posted by: cowlove at June 30, 2009 5:31 AM

Trolls suck.

Posted by: Eric at June 30, 2009 5:43 AM

The origins of the Demonrat Party revealed:

http://atrueobamanation.blogspot.com/2009/06/lord-of-left-wing-part-i.html

Posted by: V the K at June 30, 2009 5:51 AM

Jesus Christ, Ghost just keeps calling people childish, babies, or morons and stuff. It's very tiresome, I'm not reading him anymore. Scrolling right past. That is not considered a convincing argument, Ghost.
Why are you here, ghost? Do you think that by calling people names and making broad pronouncements like "the only way is to tax blah blah blah" you're going to win converts from a bunch of conservatives?

Posted by: Karin at June 30, 2009 6:32 AM

Karin,

Ghost doesn't CARE what we think. He's here for the attention he gets, nothing more. Our purpose is to be dazzled by his brilliance, to be destroyed by his "arguments," and to be insulted (but God forbid we insult him back). His commenting here is nothing more than a form of masturbation for him.

Posted by: Evil Otto at June 30, 2009 6:42 AM

Class warfare:

One side has work ethic, freedom, wealth, guns, God and mercy for unfortunates.

The other side has taxes, opression, hippies, abortion, gay marriage, stab-proof knives, and welfare for the lazy.

One side is ours, the other side is wellstone and his ilk. Bet I know who wins.

Posted by: Eric at June 30, 2009 6:49 AM

Class conflict refers to the underlying tensions or antagonisms which exist in society due to conflicting interests that arise from different social positions. Class conflict is thought to play a pivotal role in history of class societies (such as capitalism and feudalism) by Marxists who refer to its overt manifestations as class war, a struggle whose resolution in favor of the working class is viewed by them as inevitable under capitalism.
Interesting, even wiki says wellstone is a marxist.

Posted by: Eric at June 30, 2009 6:54 AM

Ghost of Wellstone you pile of crap! Ha ha ha ha ha !!

Posted by: Amused As Hell at June 30, 2009 7:06 AM

Ghost just keeps calling people childish, babies, or morons and stuff.

It's what leftists do when they know they can't win an argument on the merits of their position.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 30, 2009 7:17 AM

Dunno if this has been posted yet or not.

Waxman: opposing cap and trade is unpatriotic


Posted by: Deltacat at June 29, 2009 12:56 PM

These threads are comical. Conservatives can say anything, or call people anything, but as soon as it's turned on you you guys flip out. Somethingawful.com, who is having photoshop fun with little Trig...it's a satirical site.

Please, do enlighten us as to how it's the same to call Obama a communist, as he's quite clearly demonstrated he is by nationalizing industry to an extent that surprised even Hugo Chavez, or a Muslim, when he spent part of his life as a Muslim and supports Muslims in the Middle East over Israel, as it is to photoshop a 'retard' face onto a baby and think that's humour?

The California Speaker refers to Cons as "terrorists" and your flipping out,

Ah, yeah, because the definition of terrorism does not include expressing an opinion via talk radio that elected representatives who support tax increases will not be given votes. Or if it is, then perhaps you could enlighten us as to how?

...while calling President Obama a "Communist", a "Muslim", "Anti-American" etc.

See above. These are observable phenomena based on his actions and the outcomes of those actions.

You are as hypocritical as the serial adulterers you vote for.

So, if I may sum up your argument, what you are saying is this: to say or imply the president is a communist or a Muslim, based on his support for communists and Muslims to the detriment of other elements of society; and to call him un-American for selling out America's allies and creating the largest ever increase in size of the government, when America was founded on the principle of freedom from oppression; is hypocritical, if we don't agree that publicly expressing opposition to higher taxes is terrorism.

Oh, and we vote for serial adulterers and are hypocrites for thinking it's not okay to mock disabled babies.

I hope you realise how full of shit you are.

Posted by: mandible claw at June 30, 2009 7:19 AM

Yet another moonbat supports free speech:

How do you think conservative talk radio has affected the Legislature's work?

The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: "You vote for revenue and your career is over." I don't know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it's about free speech, but it's extremely unfair.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-morrisonbass27-2009jun27,0,4807376.story

Posted by: scaramouche at June 30, 2009 7:22 AM

I have some good news, though:

EL PASO -- Planned Parenthood is closing down all of its El Paso branches June 30th because of bad economic conditions, according to officials with the clinic. Now, more than 12,000 patients will need to look for health care elsewhere.

http://www.kvia.com/global/Story.asp?s=10602053

Posted by: scaramouche at June 30, 2009 7:31 AM

Fact.
Most left wing liberals will not 'get it' until the United States is finished being destroyed from within.
But then again............

Posted by: JoeShmoe at June 30, 2009 7:35 AM

Ghost just keeps calling people childish, babies, or morons and stuff.

It's what leftists do when they know they can't win an argument on the merits of their position.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 30, 2009 7:17 AM

Don't forget lie lie lie!

Posted by: Thor at June 30, 2009 7:39 AM

and Rasmussen AGAIN has Obama at MINUS 2

click my minus 2

Posted by: blue at June 30, 2009 7:48 AM

Posted by: cowlove at June 30, 2009 7:53 AM

Mandible, I hit your link on the Waxman patriotic comment. This is on RealClearPolitics, a site that I believe is democrat-leaning. Well, you should read the comments after the blurb. 220 comments, and not one of them in support of Mr. Nostrils. Torches and pitchforks, actually.

Posted by: Karin at June 30, 2009 7:53 AM

The Real News Behind the News

We all know that the mass media and government today, especially today with government’s new role as nanny to the nation, spoon feed to the public what they think we can handle, what they want us to know, and hide what they want hidden.

However, thanks to a long-awaited technological breakthrough by Professor Klem Kadiddlehopper at the University of Hard Knocks, Burbank, we now have heretofore un-explained explanations of all the crap news we’ve been fed lately.

Incredibly, Burbank’s Professor Emeritus has succeeded in delving into the minds and mental processes of newsmakers and can reveal their true, unexpurgated thoughts. It’s a tad scary but very revelatory breakthrough.

The prof’s methodology and formularies are being kept secret for now but Kadiddlehopper has agreed to release some of his findings on what’s behind recent news, which we will call the “K-view:“

News Story: Pelosi Won’t Give Public a Week to Review Text of Health-Care Bill Before House Votes on It: http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50229.

K-View: Damn, we don’t read major, or minor, legislation before we vote on it! Why should the public have a chance to read it? Those dimwits put us, ME, in power so why question what we do? Let them just eat cake, shut up, and act like the sheep we know they are: (thought by Nancy Pelosi)

News Story: Congressmen Say They Didn’t Have Chance to Read Full 1,200-Page Climate Change Bill Before Vote: http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50234.

K-View: What the hell is wrong with these people? They’re actually voting to make our country a second or third-rate power! And they didn’t “have a chance to read” this pile of sh*t? (thought by Rep. John Boehner)

Boehner is such a scaredy cat. . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at June 30, 2009 9:06 AM

Ghost doesn't CARE what we think. He's here for the attention he gets, nothing more.

Otto, this is absolutely untrue. Ghost has to post here because Axelrod keeps his pimp hand strong, and Ghost wants his paycheck. And spare a kind thought for Ghost: it’s no fun wearing fishnet stockings and a tube top, standing on that street corner with a laptop scoring some wifi from a nearby Starbucks, posting drivel in between johns.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2009 10:34 AM

I don't know, Jay. The guy is a paid whore willing to please the base "urges" of who pays him, but to him it's fun too. He enjoys his job. He's a working man. I can see him out there on the political street accosting the drunk Lefty moneybags walking by:

"Hey, wanna date?"

And to think I at first thought he was just a partisan political hack.

Posted by: Kevin R at June 30, 2009 11:11 AM

But Jay, I look hot in the fishnets, not so much the tube top, I don't really have the chest for it.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 30, 2009 11:54 AM

I don't really have the chest for it.

Then I take it you don't wear a hat either?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2009 12:31 PM

But you definitely wear your knee and elbow pads when you go to see your master.

(I was going to say "superiors" but I realized that that was ambiguously broad.)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2009 12:33 PM

Et tu, Ghost of Wellstone? Et tu?

Posted by: Ghost of America at June 30, 2009 12:46 PM

Ghost of Wellstone you dirty butt plug! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!

Posted by: Amused As Hell at June 30, 2009 2:17 PM

Just some observations from down-under.

'Free' healthcare is never free. Cost of medicare in Australia is $11 billion. Population is 21 million. But the hospitals are demanding more money because they never have enough, and the waiting lists are continuously growing longer.

But, when you go to a doctor, you still have to pay more, it's called the 'gap', which is the difference between the doctors fee and the medicare reimbursement. Plus you then pay for medications. And dental is rarely, if ever, covered. Health insurance is the only way to go. We still have to pay a medicare levy on top of our income tax every tax year.

Dangerous territory folks....

Posted by: Aussie-John at June 30, 2009 5:14 PM