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You have got to hand it to the SP guys (who I met in SoCal a couple of years ago = very geeky nice nerdy kind of folk) in that they have a finger on the pulse of politics.

I always wondered why no one got the reference to abortion when koato gets capped toward the end of Total Recall.

At least we have one LESS baby brain scrambler in Kansas! Can you believe they had a candle light vigil for that bastard. They should have had one for all the lives he had taken. Sebelius doesn't have to worry about Tiller uncovering any dirt on her either now. Bet she is overjoyed!

Ezekiel 9: 4-6

"And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem....let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women...."

I note that "little children" are considered fair game according to God. So remind me again. What's the biblical position on abortion ?

Here's another one:

I Samuel 15:2-3

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"

I note now that not only children but also "infants" are to be put to the sword.

Can you believe they had a candle light vigil for that bastard.

Do I have trouble believing that the same people who wear T-shirts celebrating mass murderer Che Guevara, and who get upset if mass-murdering terrorists don't get their pillows fluffed at Gitmo would hold a candlelight vigil for a man who scrambled baby brains for a living? No, no I don't.

And I strongly doubt any of them will be holding candlelight vigils for the soldier who was murdered at the recruiting station yesterday.

I hate to point out the obvious, but neither of the scripture verses quoted above dealt with abortion, but rather with killing people who were already born. I also note that in both of the verses it is God who is explicitly ordering the killing for two limited situations, and not human beings claiming they have a blanket right to kill people on the basis of "privacy".

Do you have some verses where God orders a blanket right to abortion, anon? That might make for a more convincing argument that God supports wholesale abortion. Please post it as soon as you find it, okay?

Judith,
Spin all you want. I actually am a pro life Buddhist. I do NOT believe in abortion, I think it is murder.

However, I do not believe Christians actually care about children because they worship a God who promotes the killing of innocent babies. You say it was in "specific situations" but at the end of the day, there is no justification, ever, for killing innocent life. How is killing a one day old infant worse than an abortion? Do you honestly think that just the act of being BORN makes you a vile sinner and wipes away your innocence? You worship a baby killer, and that is the truth.

Although I have a little more faith in Catholics, because at least they are against the war adn the death penalty, pro universal healthcare, are very involved in adoption programs and often adopt themselves, and support social services for the poor and for the disabled.

Evangelicals, on the other hand, hardly ever adopt or do foster care, are against universal healthcare, even for children, and are against social programs like ones which provide care for disabled children of poor parents because this is "socialism." I do not believe for one second evangelicals actually care about children. I think they are against abortion because they want as many children as possible to grown up to be chattle in war. They breed children in order to sacrifice them in pointless wars.

I have been involved in the pro life movement and this is what I have noticed:

Catholic, for the most part, actually care about babies. Though there are a few exceptions, any pro life Catholics I worked with cared about doing things which actually helps women choose life- like programs for the poor and adoption programs. The Catholics do things which ACTUALLY [prevents abortions form taking place.

Evangelicals, on the other hand, have no interest in the baby once it is born. They do not involve themselves in programs which help the poor, disabled, and needy. The only thing they do is protest and condemn pro choice people, which does absolutely nothing to prevent abortions and help babies. The Evangelicals care about two things: Breeding fodder for war, and feeling morally superior by calling other people evil.

But at the end of the day, although I value the Catholic efforts to promote life, I still don't udnerstand how anyone can worship a baby killing God, which is what you do. No matter how much you try and spin the scriptures, at the end of the day you CANNOT DENY that your own God, as you believe him to exist, murdered babies.

How can you worship a baby killer? Why don't you just worship Charles Manson or Dr Kavorkian while you're at it

Rather that should read:

How is killing a one day old infant any better than an abortion?

And by the way, I have 3 foster children. Every single pro life Buddhist I know, to the last one, has either adopted or taken in foster children. Also many many Catholics I know have done the same thing.

I lived in the south for 6 years and never met a single evangelical pro lifer who had adopted or done foster care.

Further proof they DON'T CARE ABOUT BABIES. If you really did you would be willing to sacrifice in order to help them. How do you expect a poor woman pregnant with a special needs baby, who does not have the money or health insurance to take care of that baby, to NOT have an abotion unless A) government assistance is provided for her or B) Someone is willing to adopt that baby. This is why I both promote universal healthcare and social programs for needy children, AND why I do foster care. Because I ACTUALLY WANT TO SAVE CHILDREN. I don't just go online, call people "baby killers" and that's my entire effort for the pro life movement. Good job guys, you've REALLY made a difference.

Once you save a life, you are responsible for it. It is not pro life to say "we want to ensure you exit the vaginal canal, and then we have no concern as to your existence after that."

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. If you are pro life, can afford to adopt or foster care, and you don't, then you are nothing but a disgusting hypocrit and I don't believe for one second you care about children.

But as I said, even with all the good works they do...I don't understand how Catholics can worship a baby killer and then say that abortion is wrong when your own God kills innocent babies.

Congrats anon you just broke Van's full-o-crap meter. I thought Buddists were suppoed to be humble, not blowhards. By the way we can be what we want to be on the internet.

Anon, you are yanking verses out of context, because if you had read the verses you excerpted in context, there is no way you would have said that God was ordering the deaths of innocent people. In the chapter you lifted the first excerpt from, God commanded that the innocent be marked with the sign of the "X" so that they would be spared from death. In the second excerpt, the Amelkites were a group of nomadic people known best for their duplicity and evil deeds. One of their favorite tricks was to sneak up behind an enemy and attack the weakest members. In other words, God was treating them to their own medicine by killing everyone down to the weakest of their group.

And Anon, I am Catholic, not an evangelical, and I've worked with women facing unplanned pregnancies for years trying to find the resources they need to raise their children, so you're barking up the wrong tree with your self-righteousness about me not caring about the needs of women facing unplanned pregnancies.

Um, I'm a pro-life Mormon. I have two adopted children, and am looking for a third. If I really believed any of the crap anon is spewing, I'd be offended at the stereotyping.

I was thinking the same thing, V the K. Talk about type casting! I couldn't figure out why anon seemed to think I was evangelical when I never gave any indication that I was. Then I realized the fact I was discussing scriptures must have tripped anon's stereotype button. LOL! She's addressing scriptures, she CAN'T be Catholic!

And good on you V the K, for adopting those kids. I hope you find a third very soon, because you seem like a very loving father.

Even though I gave up watching new episodes of "South Park" 5 years ago, I have to acknowledge that Trey Parker and Matt Stone are excellent satirists. The two of them are sort of like a modern day Mark Twain, in two ways:
1. They just want to get out a simple message, not minding if some feathers are ruffled along the way.
2. Both Twain and Parker/ Stone rely on the tactic in their works of using the viewpoint of a child to point out how hypocritical and absurd the adult world can be (Read 'Huckleberry Finn' and watch 'South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut' to get an idea of what I'm talking about).