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Yeah, well I don't see how anyone raised by Cher could turn out normal.

Poor Sonny, even though a creepy scientologist, a decent fellow with a good outlook on life (and a somewhat squishy conservative, what would you expect in Hollyweird). Unfortunate it is that he cut off his own penis to get 'nasty' with the incredibly hot (at the time) Cher, only to have his daughter sew one on, apparently in tribute to him. I would think he is rolling in his grave, were it not that he is just a dead lump of worm food (in his own belief). God bless his second wife Mary.

Can't help but wonder how she would have turned out if she had had a father in her life.

I remember watching Sonny & Cher sometimes when I was a kid, and the end of one episode when they brought her out on the stage for the first time, she was such a cute little thing. My my how things change.

Cher must be so proud. Just look at that gleaming smile on her face!

What a charade a "sex change" is. I can't stand that people actually take this garbage seriously; it needs to be called out for what it is. Adding a fake dong does not make you a man, and cutting one off makes you neither a woman; Anyone who believes so is a total fool.

I hate that people legitamize this crap by calling her 'him' or 'he'.

and we THOUGHT she was but a lesbian...

Dave Letterman, between this, Patrick Kennedy drying out for the umpteenth time and his old man dying of brain cancer (or terminal clap), you should get sky high ratings for a week, right?

Looking at the pictures of Chastity or, Chaz as IT's come to be known.... it's not hard to imagine. Hell, Chastity looks like Chris Farely anyway.

Chas will be a lesbian trapped in a mans body (at least a reasonable facsimile of one).

Will Letterman be making jokes about this? I doubt it. Instead Letterman will be Congratulating this Hollyweird freak for her "courage".

Im waiting for the day when 2 people in the land of fruits and nuts become a siamese twin - on purpose because they love each other so much. Chop off one side of each body and sew em together! There are people who actually want healthy limbs amputated because it "turns them on". Nothing suprises me any more.

Why dont she be happy as a woman i mean these stupid sex change operation along with clonning humans should be banned

A person who gets a "sex change" isn't choosing to be a member of the opposite sex, they're choosing to be a freak.

What a.... oh, never mind.

Okay, I read that there will be no surgery on this one. It's just a matter of taking on the persona of being a male. In other words, name change, legal documents, I.D.'s etc. In my opinion it's still rediculous. I don't care how many surgeries you have to add or subtract body parts or features, you're still what you were born with in every sense and a change in identification is falsification. IMHO.

Who'd know the difference?

Shooter, that was uncalled for about Kennedy's illness. I am not even going to debate it with a POS.

And all this time I thought chastity WAS a man.

Frankly, I'm trying very hard to care less than I do right now about Cher's kid.

My problem is that I'm gay and have this raging extra horny hypersexual insatiable nympho woman living inside of me. But she's a lesbian and wants to satisfy as many real women as she can.

GoW, kennedy gave up any right to compassion when he staggered away from chappiquitic thinking only about how to cover his a**.

Gee what a suprise. Wellstoned is standing up for a murderer but won't defend an underage girl. Who says chivalry is dead?

Shooter, that was uncalled for about Kennedy's illness. I am not even going to debate it with a POS.

At least he’s an amateur, not a paid whore.

I think a stomach staple would be the best operation for Chaz...

and oh-by-the-way will Obama's new gov't health care pay for Chaz's sex change???

Guess that's the only way "she" will get dick.

Moooooo!

Ghost of Wellstone
Shooter, that was uncalled for about Kennedy's illness. I am not even going to debate it with a POS.
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Go tell that to Letterman! He likes to ridicule 14 yr old girls. He ought to look at his fugly wife or maybe his son should be meat for Jeffrey Dahmer; ha ha ha, isn't that hilarious? He can even use this for his material tonight.
O boy, when it hits home its not so funny, eh? Jokes about Teddy aren't funny? Why is that murderin, lyin, theivin bastard POS any less worthy of ridicule that anybody else? I think seeing him hobble around with that dumb fuckin smile of his is hilarious, don't you think? And that retard, you know, of a, you know, niece, you know, he has, you know, was, you know, going to become a, you know,Senator?
Give the useless bastard another drink, he'll go sooner! Here you go Ted, double Chivas over! Don't fall down! Ha ha ha!

"I would think he is rolling in his grave, were it not that he is just a dead lump of worm food (in his own belief)."
Wait, didn't you say he was a Scientologist? I thought they believed in reincarnation?

Not up for a debate, but I will say..
Let's see a Senator suffering from a brain tumor is ok to joke about? Or a comedian making a poor taste joke about what he thought was a "of legal age girl", and the question is what is offensive? Please! We are talking tanks and tricycles here. Senator Kennedy's time is near, and Letterman's jokes are trivial at best. If you and I disagree, thats fine. Yes, we could curb Letterman's jokes, or our indifferences, but a sickness that not only Senator Kennedy is dealing with, but many is over the line.

Wellstoned I guess those underage girls being preyed upon is no big deal,right? Please save us "the joke was about Bristol", we all know it wasn't and your hero got busted for it.

Let's see a Senator suffering from a brain tumor is ok to joke about? Or a comedian making a poor taste joke about what he thought was a "of legal age girl", and the question is what is offensive?

Isn’t this special? We’ve got our own little Cyber-Mustang Ranch. Or is it a cyber version of Barney Frank’s basement? Doesn’t really matter. A whore is a whore.

Joking of raping a 14 year old is just "tanks and tricycles". How sick is that.

Shooter, that was uncalled for about Kennedy's illness. I am not even going to debate it with a POS.

Ah, so it seems there ARE some things that Ghost of Flintstone doesn't think it's appropriate to rip into. Perhaps if Kennedy were a young girl related to a Republican, he'd change his mind.

[b]Let's see a Senator suffering from a brain tumor is ok to joke about?[/b]

I want the bastard to suffer a horrible painful death. He's nothing more than a lying, spineless piece of S***. I hope they don't bury him because he deserves only to be flushed. Funny enough for you?

Definition
addadictomy: means add a dick to me.

sorry, couldn't help it!

maybe she can star in films. shed be a dead ringer for the chris farley story. RIP chris

incidentally wellstone, why the heck are you so high and mighty about ridiculing a dying senator? your own moniker ridicules a DEAD senator. oh and im sure you didnt ridicule any of cheney's heart surgeries, right?

I thought she looked like farley before i even saw these comments. lol

I usually watch my language and rarely curse in the comments here but GoW, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You miserable sorry, rotten, Communist shit-stain.

You left out "well-paid," SK. With that addition, I agree with you.

Ghost of Wellstone thinks that jokes about rape and statutory rape are inconsequential but jokes about a murdering and traitorous washed up pol are offensive?

Is that right?

Just wanted to double check the depravity of this paid Communist shill.

Ghost Diddums- "Let's see a Senator suffering from a brain tumor is ok to joke about? Or a comedian making a poor taste joke about what he thought was a "of legal age girl", and the question is what is offensive? Please! We are talking tanks and tricycles here."

We certainly are, comrade! The analogy is simple and scientific- Insulting brother Kennedy is a seriously offensive and is the equivalent of a fascist Tiger tank. Whereas, a hilarious jape about the bourgeois Palin clan is merely harmless, politically correct fun, and about as "offensive" as an adorable kiddies tricycle, made by our comrades in Red China. The logic is simple and irrefutable...

1) A cruel insult to an enlightened fighter-for-freedom, and socialist genius, like Kennedy = HATE CRIME.

2) A very amusing, but inconsequential observation about the capitalist class criminal, bourgeois dog Palin = harmless joke.

The extreme right wing, lone wolf terrorists on this site will pay dearly for such Hate Speech against a Hero of The American Soviet Union. Soon the CCP will liberate their reactionary heads from their bodies with sweet machete social justice.

Letterman is a stain

You're fixated! There a whole world going on out there that's so much more important. You say "hollweird" but here you are feeding the freaky fame machine!

This is one person who is getting attention because ... you're giving it! Why do you care? Are all you Republican ladies wanting to sew one on too?

This lesbo actually has come to face reality, in that, she is accepting the fact that she is so ugly that no dude would ever bang her, so it follows that "if you can't beat 'em then join 'em". Mr. Garrison would be proud...I think?

Cher just went down hill after they divorced I HAD YOU BABE

Cantu Sunday school teacher rapes and murders. You guys are in a wonderful place to judge, right wing haters and murderers.

No one spews hate and fear and venom and violence like a liberal. No one. So take your hate and fear and vitriol elsewhere.

You oughta know. You and James von Brunn can go pat each other on the back.

"No one spews hate and fear and venom and violence like a liberal. No one. So take your hate and fear and vitriol elsewhere."
Jay, are you high?! You don't even pay attention do you? Do WMDS,Gay Agenda,illegal,Tiller the Baby Killer,War on Terror,"liberals are destroying the country",Where's Obama birth certificate,"Oh no they are going to take our guns!!"Obama is a Muslim,Unions are a bad thing, etc. Any of these things ring a bell? Conservative punditry only survives on spreading fear that we are getting attacked again, or gays want to recruit you, or liberals hate America. Take any host or right wing blog and you find nothing but bigotry and fear tactics in full force. What liberal talk host has stirred emotions in some unstable idiot resulted in any death? Fox and O'Reilly have so much blood on their hands from their vile rhetoric.

Whore. Go collect your money.

I don't recall Fox or O'Reilly ever saying anything against the Holocaust museum. And although O'Reilly did expose Tiller's baby abattoir, he never called for Tiller's death, but rather the closing of his operation. Further, I think you'd have a tough time proving O'Reilly's program about Tiller was the trigger for Roeder's outburst, since Roeder held a grudge against Tiller long before the show aired, and certainly did not kill him immediately after it aired. What's more, I'm unaware of any proof that Roeder even watched O'Reilly, which would pretty much be a requirement for O'Reilly to have influenced him, don't you think?

Tiller, OTOH, admitted to killing tens of thousands of viable and healthy premature babies because they had committed the crime of being "unwanted." Even if we accept your claim that two deaths should be attributed to Fox and O'Reilly, it would appear your moral equivalency gauge needs some recalibration, GoW.

Judith, Roeder quoted and referenced both Fox and O'Reilly in his posts on Operation Rescue. I agree that Roeder's issues with Tiller go back further than O'Reilly's rants, however, 42 times (according to reports) in 4 years O'Reilly covered Tiller. Using language like "Tiller the Baby Killer" , "This man has to be stopped!" etc. In addition, James Adkisson's actions were also stirred up by the same crowd. His apartment was full of books,and columns by O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, and Bernie Goldberg. In his "Manifesto", he referenced this
""This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."
Now my point is, pundits have a responsibility to frame debates to not stir people up. It is reasonable to say many on the left also need to be careful. I love Mike Malloy, and there have been nights where I think he a bit over the top. The debate should be, do our hosts/author have any blood on their hands? I personally think they do.

"moral equivalency gauge"

You are one sick puppy.

I hadn't heard that about Roeder referencing O'Reilly or Fox News, although referencing them, and saying that they encouraged him to do it are completely different things.

And I do agree that the incivility of pundits is not helpful to discussing things in a cool-headed way, and I often think that people like Michael Savage, and Ann Coulter, who are both quite intelligent people, could accomplish more without it. And someone like O'Reilly, whom I never watch, because I think he's full of himself, is certainly no worse than Keith Olberman, who also seems full of himself. And when Al Franken was doing his schtick he was absolutely awful, and for some reason known only to the DFL, they made him a senatorial candidate!

"You are one sick puppy."

Coming from a troll who posts anonymous insults, I'll take that as a compliment.

Judith,Ok, well said. This morning I listened to Ron Kuby discuss this issue, and he made a point to note that us on the left did not frame the debate properly over the Bush era, we used some rhetoric that was pretty ineffective. That said, it is dangerous to use some the language that is used, like many here I am guilty of some comments that I believe would earn a punch in the face from Jay, and vice versa. However, this is certainly not the venue that Fox or MSNBC are. There is a duty of hosts to speak responsibly. While he is a lefty, you may want to take a look at some of George Lakoff's writings on framing. He is a Professor of Cognitive Science and Linguistics, and dissects how Liberals and Conservatives think and speak. As I stated,I can get into a tit for tat for with most, but it is clear our tones are much different with one another, and it is a result of how we frame the debate. If you can stomach it, because O'Reilly is full of himself, but he and Joan Walsh debated this and he became unhinged. Towards the end, she sort of did as well, and I think it is a result of how Bill framed it. Thanks Judith.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200906120035

Oh, and btw, the DFL stuck with Franken because of the late Paul Wellstone connection and Al's closeness to the remaining Wellstone family.

I watched the video, and frankly, while I hate the way O'Reilly conducts interviews, I found it horrifying that Joan Walsh was arguing that late term abortions were good because they're legal.

How many things can we point to that were "legal" that were gross abuses of human rights?--the killing of imperfect newborns in Sparta, slavery, witch burning, torture, the Final Solution, Jim Crow Laws, the starvation of the Ukrainians by Stalin. The list goes on and on. Would you say that any of those things were good just because they were legal? I should hope not, and I should hope that you would have decried the injustice of those laws if you lived during those times.

Joan Walsh wants to limit the pro-life movement by saying they can't characterize abortion for what it is, the unjust killing of an innocent human being. She argues that such a description is "inflammatory." I wonder if it ever occurred to her that the act itself is inflammatory, and that there is no way to call it by it's proper name or to explain why you oppose it without discussing the horror of the act itself. It would be like saying you can only argue against the gas chambers if you don't mention the agonizing deaths of those who were being killed there. It's an attempt to limit a discussion that has moral implications that is both self-serving and absurd.

I find it a little weird that Franken and Wellstone were such close friends, given that Wellstone was the polar opposite of Franken in terms of his public persona. That tells me either that Franken is better on a personal level than he is on a public level, or that Wellstone was a whole lot worse on a personal level than he was on a public level.

Judith,we could beat the topic to death as we know where eachother stand on the issue, but do you see what I mean on the language used? I think this thread (excluding our conversation) points out some the problem, while I cannot say any of the comments would incite violence. There are some pretty ugly comments about Cher and her daughter. Recognizing that some language has consequences is crucial in these times, and too many of us fail to see that. Our country has evolved in many ways, and grasping to different times stymies the process, and in some cases incites some odd emotions in unstable people. If we hammer away at an issue with really promoting a change in the laws, some think acts like Tiller's murder or abortion for that matter is ok. A term used that I personally think is dangerous is "pro-abortion", it demonstrates an ideology before reality. Judith, thanks again for a healthy debate, I am off to, according to Rush "drive healthcare costs" and go for a bike ride. Take care.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

That was the cute little girl that use close the Sonny and Cher show??

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

If she needs a sex change might I suggest a change into John Candy. She almost there.

DDAAAAYYYOOO DDDAAAYYYOOO MOONBATS GETTIN IN TROUBLE ONCE MORE,MOONBATS GETTIN IT TROUBLE ONCE MORE done to THE BANNA BOAT SONG

Don't debate the whore.

Btw, how well do America's enemies pay?

Ghost Diddums- "Gay Agenda"

You deny there is one? They have been quite forthcoming about it. Or is it that you believe their child indoctrination program is a good thing? I'm betting it's the latter.

Ghost Diddums- "illegal"

Which "illegal" might this be? There is a lot to choose from when it comes to the liberal funsters.

Ghost Diddums- "Tiller the Baby Killer"

Tiller actually killed babies, did he not? What do you prefer? The term "units", instead of babies? Or "life liberation" instead of killed?

Ghost Diddums- "liberals are destroying the country"

Yes, yes they are.

Ghost Diddums- "Where's Obama birth certificate"

Yeah, where the hell is the birth certificate? Well, any document for that matter. Bazza the kooky Kenyan is an illegal alien, you know that, don't you? But since "we are all socialists now", and "citizens of the world", any git from anywhere should be "President", right?

Ghost Diddums- "Oh no they are going to take our guns!"

They're not? They already have in regards to standard firearms- MG's, SMG's, automatic rifles, and most standard military semis. The Democrats and their posse have made it abundantly clear that they are going for everything else ASAP. But you know this, you scamp.

Ghost Diddums- "Obama is a Muslim"

Well he is either a Muslim, or an apostate Muslim. Either way, it isn't good. Hussein says he "isn't a muslim". But then he also says he "isn't a socialist". Most in the muslim world consider Hussein a muslim. In Indonesia, he is considered an Indonesian Muslim. Since he is Indonesian, I think that they would know.

Ghost Diddums- "Unions are a bad thing"

That's stating the obvious.

Ghost Diddums- "A term used that I personally think is dangerous is "pro-abortion", it demonstrates an ideology before reality."

You certainly have the Newspeak thing going on. So if one is "for abortion" it is "ideologically dangerous" to call it "pro-abortion"? How about "pro child murder"? Is that better? Or do you prefer "anti-choice"? No way that demonstrates ideology before reality, right, comrade? "Choice" is better suited for things like opting between Coke and Pepsi. Not for deciding on killing children.

Chairman,

"Gay Agenda" "Tiller" and abortion in general

This stuff was all around a mere six months ago as well, but you weren't squawking about it half as much. Are you advancing that our most recent administration invented these things? Why weren't you out bombing abortion clinics and shooting up museums then? Well, because you racist freaks are trying to lay these things at the feet of a black president.

Birth certificate, liberals, "Most in the muslim world consider Hussein a muslim."

Yawn. You've spoken with "most muslims"? You'd love it if the sky fell too, Chairman Chicken little, but its not about to. An apple hit you on the head and you''re a little confused, is all. The American way of life will go on. Take a breath man.

BARF!

Anonbat- "Are you advancing that our most recent administration invented these things?"

No, much of it is the product of the Socialist International and/or the various arms of communism. The "current administration" is escalating them.

Anonbat- "you racist freaks are trying to lay these things at the feet of a black president."

You mean a half-caste "president"? No, not entirely at Hussein's feet. He is, after all, a product of the communist wing of the Democrats, and the socialist media. Barack Hussein Obama (aka Soetoro), is just a tool. A massive tool, to be sure, but a mere tool, nevertheless.

Anonbat- "The American way of life will go on."

No, the march the the institutions will go on. The American way of life does not have long to run, and is scheduled for demolition, if something is not done. Political and social events in the USA are very closely tied to those in the UK. They have been for decades. There is a time lag, but the Socialist International have had a head start in Britain. Americans have just had their 1997 moment, and their Blair. The Democrats are as much a combination of communists and corporatism, as is the Labour Party. Where Britain is now, is what the USA faces in the very near future. But of course, as a Transnational Progressivist, you would consider that a good thing indeed.

"and we THOUGHT she was but a lesbian...

Posted by: nancz at June 12, 2009 7:53 AM"

nancz, In some circles, it's called 'taking the long way home'.

"Shooter, that was uncalled for about Kennedy's illness. I am not even going to debate it with a POS.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at June 12, 2009 9:11 AM"

Y'know, I am conflicted about you. Sometimes you seem so bloody earnest, like a do-gooder of a tender age. I occasionally read through your posts, but my eyes glaze over most of them. You delight in practicing your own framing tactic, and at the end of it, I really don't care who you will and won't debate, and I'm fairly certain most of the regulars - JayG (BTW, where's Matt been?), SPURWING PLOVER, VtheK, Nancy, etc.. think the same. Sharpen your training fangs in your effort to be considered a 'reasonable' liberal all day long - some of us may not be as eloquent as you or the devil, but all of us know right from wrong.

I will give you this: at least you don't make crude remarks like a lot of sock puppets here who try to make the site present like an ACLU's wet dream of a hate-speech defendant.