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May 22, 2009

Open Thread

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Posted by Van Helsing at May 22, 2009 12:25 PM

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Stinky people have the right to get off their lazy fat asses and bathe! Bunch of losers!

Posted by: Watching at May 22, 2009 1:17 PM

Is that his mom behind him?

Posted by: Judith M. at May 22, 2009 2:00 PM

that gave me the biggest laugh yet from the moonbattery

Posted by: Brandon at May 22, 2009 2:09 PM

Reminds me of a case where some idiot judge ruled a man who went to a library never checked out or read a book or magazine and stunk real bad could do so FRANKLY THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT IDIOT JUDGE AND PUT HIM AND MR STINK UP IN A AIRTIGHT ROOM TOGETHER TILL THE JUDGE WAS BARFING UP REAL BAD

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at May 22, 2009 2:14 PM

Hmmm, maybe it's not his mom, maybe it's the librarian.

Posted by: Judith M. at May 22, 2009 2:19 PM

I am simply verklempt at this latest gaffe . It shows a high regard for the graduating cadets and officers , or at least a lack of trust .

SWORDLESS SAILORS

Graduating midshipmen of the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis are being told in writing to leave at home or in their vehicles all "ceremonial swords" and anything else "that might be considered a weapon or a threat by screeners" for Friday's outdoor commencement ceremonies featuring an address by President Barack Obama.

Inside the Beltway has obtained the academy's list of prohibited items for this year's graduation exercises, which, besides ceremonial swords, includes umbrellas.

Yes, cell phones and texting are still allowed.

Posted by: Katya Kakhov at May 22, 2009 2:25 PM

Annapolis should tell Obama to stay home if he's that big of a wussy.

Posted by: Judith M. at May 22, 2009 2:32 PM

Teen Sex Revisited

AOL “News” often features stories about teens and likes to perk up its ratings and hits with tales of teenage activities and, when possible, reports on bizarre teen sexual behaviors.
Three teen sex stories made AOL News the same day, one distinctly bizarre, the second sickening, the third actually pretty wholesome.

Teen Sex–Bizarro World: Things are tough all around nowadays what with the worldwide recession, mortgages gone bad, and Obamaians making things worse in Washington.

One enterprising 18 year old girl came up with her own unique solution for her personal economic malaise, which is not suggested here as an alternative to getting a job at Burger King or redeeming soda and beer cans at a nickel per.

Alina Percea, a Romanian-born and very entreprenurial student in Germany, decided to sell her virginity online to the highest bidder and, no, she didn’t use Craig’s list.

A 45 year old Italian businessman laid out $13,937 or about £9000 for the privilege and for a weekend romp with Alina. She flew to Italy, they had to chat in English since she spoke no Italian and he spoke no Roumanian, and they romped in Venice. What with the language of love, or sex, not much talk was needed anyway and it turned out to be a variation on the old un-rhymed, Italian standard, “Whama, bama, gracia, signoritta.”

For more details on their rendezvous, the reader will have to refer to the article in the London Daily Mail, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1185928/Teen-auctioned-virginity-8-000-LOSE-half–prostitutes-Germany-taxed-50-earnings.html.

The biggest bummer for Alina is that the German taxman cometh. Even though the assignation took place in Italy, the deal was sealed in Germany and with an economy in worse shape than ours, the Germans want their cut.

The German government considers Alina’s profitable romp to be tantamount to prostitution, which is fine and dandy there. But after all is said and done, a VAT surcharge could be tacked onto her tax bill and, in the words of the Daily Mail, “the sale of her virginity could land her with just over £3,000 in the end.”

Teen Sex–Lost Boys: There’s nothing about Warren Jeffs that a few years in his Utah State Prison cell with Vito No-Neck wouldn’t cure. Maybe.

Jeffs is serving 10 years to life in Utah for rape and if he ever is released Arizona gets its crack at him for rape, sexual conduct with minors and incest charges.

He maintained and literally grew his own private harem of underaged girls who were then married off to his resident adult buddies/child molestors/polygamists. As grand poobah of the sacrilegiously-titled Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or the FLDS, he ruled as the official FLDS “Prophet, Seer, and Revelator” and unofficial Pedophile-in-Charge.

For the curious, SmokingGun.com features his grotesque story and pictures here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0527081flds1.html. The pics aren’t X-or even R-rated, unless you object to photos of a 53 year old perv embracing and playing tonsil hockey with girls who are young enough to be his granddaughters.

The only thing going for Jeffs and his cohorts is that they don’t crave boys, as shown in this video of a young man, Jeffs’ nephew who he raped at age five. Along with other males, he was banished from Jeffs’ house of horrors when they approached puberty: . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at May 22, 2009 2:58 PM

Yeah, zero-tolerance and/or weapons-free.
*eyebrow trimmer a weapon*

Like this? -
*Eyebrow Trimmer*

I think a sharp pencil could do a lot more damage. Of course, you can't have one of those pencil sharpeners with blades that used to come with a pencil box...

Posted by: teqjack at May 22, 2009 3:08 PM

I made a video of your tea party pics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSJ_5WVhCA

Posted by: Doug Bauman at May 22, 2009 3:30 PM

Conservative Shock-Jock Mancow gets waterboarded, says "It's absolutely torture!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0
He lasts 6 seconds, and he defended this torture on the air.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 22, 2009 5:21 PM

Someone found a picture of GoW and his mom?

Shocking.

Posted by: SK at May 22, 2009 5:44 PM

I went through that training in the service and while it was not pleasant, it was not torture. Just because some non-hacker, conservative shock-jock can't take it, doesn't make it torture.

Although, I am sure that you liberals would find anything beyond bearing your neck to a Muslim terrorist for the 'sin' of being born a 'pig dog American' but offering to fellate them first would be considered torture, to you lot.

Posted by: SK at May 22, 2009 5:50 PM

Nice try Casper Wellstoned. You stupid libs just can't get enough of this torture shit can you?
Let me ask you a question. If someone in your custody had information that there was a person that was going to kill you and your family but would not give up the information what would you do? Ask politely? Offer ice cream and cake? Tell me what would you do.

Posted by: Watching at May 22, 2009 6:23 PM

By the way Mancow is a sissy.

Posted by: Watching at May 22, 2009 6:25 PM

If Obama believes green energy will "create or save five million jobs", then why does his new bill provide 3 YEARS of unemployment benefits (now called a "Climate Change Adjustment") to people sent to the unemployment line by cap-and-trade?

Posted by: mega at May 22, 2009 7:06 PM

Heres a suggestion USE IRISH SPRING on mister stink hole

Posted by: Flu-Bird at May 22, 2009 8:13 PM

What stupid, self-righteous, mouth-breathing, America-hating, latte-sipping, dimwitted, morally bankrupt, sanctimonious, pinko, socialist, hypocritical, don't-give-a-damn-how-many-innocent-people-die-as-long-as-I-can-preen-about-my-moral-superiority, terrorist-coddling, doucehnozzles like Wellstone utterly fail to understand is the difference between torturing someone out of pure vengeance and sadism (we don't do that) and putting terrorists through temporary discomfort in order to elicit information to save lives... which we ought to do whenever it is necessary.

I just can't believe how anyone can be so utterly f--king stupid and so arrogant at the same time.

Posted by: V the K at May 22, 2009 8:24 PM

Posted by: Oiao at May 22, 2009 8:32 PM

House and Senate Dems had better think real hard on how and what they vote for this year..... it could bite them square in the ass.

If the CA vote on Tuesday is any indicator, the times they are a changing faster than the Administration needs to put full socialst controls in place.

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Conservatives are holding their own, while the ranks of independents have skyrocketed since November's presidential election, the latest Pew Research Center poll shows.

Read the first paragraph and the last bullet point first

Posted by: Oiao at May 22, 2009 8:57 PM

No mention of Liberty U banning a College Democrats charter from campus? Tsk tsk.

Such censorship towards one political party has not been seen since the days of Lenin himself. This reeks of moonbattery.

Posted by: Buckeye State at May 22, 2009 9:36 PM

Eric Holder testified this week that waterboarding is torture only if the intent of the interrogators is to inflict permanent harm or kill the terrorist (ww II waterboarding) but not waterboarding done to our military personnel or terrorists because it is done to protect military personnel or to elicit info from terrorists to save American lives. All waterboarding would be illigal if not for the intent arguement. This is why Ted Kennedy wanted to criminalize waterboarding and it went down in defeat in Congress, we couldn't waterboard our troops. This is why Obama retains the right to waterboard in the future. WATERBOARDING IS NOT TORTURE UNDER OUR LAW!!!! This story was broke by Connie Hair of Human Events after it had been censured by the MSM but it is starting to appear all over the blogs.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31882

Posted by: tired of liberal lies at May 22, 2009 11:29 PM

Oops - Stupid double post of the day (still had that last one in the que.

Posted by: Oiao at May 22, 2009 11:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous at May 22, 2009 11:53 PM

End Game - Much more Representation (in the House without) taxation.

The Illegals don't even need to vote. The Dems will just keep making up numbers (ACORN anyone) and demand to double their seats in the House of Representatives.

Census Bureau: We’ll Work with ‘Community Organizations’ to Count All Illegal Aliens in 2010

Posted by: Oiao at May 23, 2009 12:02 AM

v the k, are you real? you must be satire, People like you cant possibly exist.

Why dont the police use waterboarding as a tactic if it's so harmless and effective? You wouldnt last 6 seconds under those conditions. You'd be crying like a baby telling anyone whatever they want to hear to make them stop.

You do realize prisoners were waterboarded over a hundred times in a given session, were naked, tied down, and had been subjected to various other "temporary discomforts", as you so callously, ignorantly and mighty christian of you put it, such as sleep and sensory deprivation to name a few. You do realize that nearly a hundred prisoners, mostly innocent civilians, died in custody after being subjected to these " discomforts"?I

V if you are for real, you are perhaps the worst type of human being. I only hope you are subjected to similar "discomforts" some day.


Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 23, 2009 3:28 AM

If I ever try to kill American or other people, than I would deserve to be warterboarded and much worse.

If I had information about upcoming terrorist attacks and did not respond to less severe methods of interrogation, then I would deserve to be waterboarded.

Saving innocent lives is worth subjecting terrorist scumbags to discomfort. End of story.

You on the left just don't give a damn how many people die, as long as you get to preen with your sycophants at cocktail parties; just like you didn't care as millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese were slaughtered in the killing fields while you high-fived each other over ending the Vietnam War. Just like you praised communism while Stalin and Mao butchered millions. Just like you iconically worship the mass-murderer Che Guevara.

You guys whine about closing Gitmo, where about 400 terrorists are detained in relative comfort. You give a complete pass to the gulag on the other side of the fence where 9,000,000 people are denied basic human rights and live under far worse conditions.

Face it, leftists are just disgusting hypocrites.

Posted by: V the K at May 23, 2009 5:48 AM

BTW: The real Harvey Milk was much sleazier, and a much bigger a-hole than he was in the propaganda film. He was a self-serving liar, drama queen, and may be one of the originators of the hate-crime-as-publicity-stunt; later imitated by people like Madonna Constantine, Al Sharpton, Crystal Gail Mangum and Kari Dunn.

Posted by: V the K at May 23, 2009 5:57 AM

v,,,the most disgusting thing here is YOU, Yes you.

Advocating the torture and murder of innocent people in your name, bragging about it. Simply shameful.

The fact of the matter is torture doesn't EVEN WORK. So you advocate a disgusting, and inhumane practice on innocent people that has been proven to be ineffective. you are simply a vengeful, crude, primitive human being v.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 23, 2009 6:22 AM

I never advocated the torture of innocents, in fact as my original response to Caspar Wellstone indicates, I oppose it categorically. but like a typical lying leftist hypocrite liar, you have to lie about what I actually said in order to create a strawman you can demonize.

I do advocate subjecting terrorists to discomfort in order to save innocent lives; because unlike you leftist scum, I value human life more than I value the ability to appear smug at cocktail parties, coffee shops, and while passing a bong in mom's basement.

Posted by: V the K at May 23, 2009 6:40 AM

Good article on Milk, V the K, but the liberals and homosexuals will never let go of the myth that Harvey Milk was a saint and was killed for being gay (of course, I suspect you know that already).

Posted by: Judith M. at May 23, 2009 6:56 AM

You do realize that nearly a hundred prisoners, mostly innocent civilians, died in custody after being subjected to these " discomforts"?

Actually, a total of three people have been waterboarded. Nothing bores me more than the fake, hyperbolic moral outrage of the torture debate, so I have nothing to contribute, other than to point out that the screetching hyperbole of the left is really starting to backfire on them as people get torture fatigue.

Posted by: mega at May 23, 2009 7:03 AM

We have truly departed the shores of sanity and reason when the comfort of terrorists is a higher priority than the protection of innocents.

Thanks Judith. I notice the biographer of Milk in that article was Randy Shilts; a gay man who was demonized by the gay left for suggesting that bath houses ought to be closed during the AIDS epidemic. Though I have nothing against homosexuals as individuals, I find gay culture as a whole to be a sewer. Ditto Hollywood.

Posted by: V the K at May 23, 2009 7:12 AM

mega, three cases that the cheney and co have admitted! there are many unopened and unpublicized torture cases pending. Pictures will be released in the future. Waterboarding may turn out to be one of the milder forms of torture used in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 23, 2009 7:28 AM

no v the k. The it's the principle of simple humanity and righteousness versus barbarianism and sub human behavior. That's what we are talking about. It's clear which side you are on.

Scum.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 23, 2009 7:34 AM

and v you have never been anywhere near the "shores" of sanity and reason. Sanity and reason are clearly your enemies.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 23, 2009 7:38 AM

Yeah, says the guy who would rather see a thousand people blown to pieces than pour water on a terrorist's nose for thirty seconds.

Posted by: V the Kv at May 23, 2009 7:48 AM

Correction: So says the proven liar who would rather see a thousand people blown to pieces than pour water on a terrorist's nose for thirty seconds.

Posted by: V the K at May 23, 2009 7:49 AM

"Though I have nothing against homosexuals as individuals, I find gay culture as a whole to be a sewer. Ditto Hollywood. "

I share those sentiments, and the fact that even a gay man can't raise the possibility that obsessive anonymous sex might be unhealthy is further proof that underlying that homosexual culture is a fascist strain that runs deep and wide.

Posted by: Judith M. at May 23, 2009 7:54 AM

wingnutcracker, do not be upset. Obama is here now. He will part the seas, and heal the planet, and close Gitmo, and provide humane, fair trials for prisoners, and .... oh wait, he's .... he's continuing the Bush policies. Oh man, you left wing tools are so screwed. Everything was supposed to change and become hopeful and perfect, yet the world remains as always a scary, uncertain place stuffed with tradeoffs and dilemmas and unintended consequences from one end to the other. Bad choices, that's all there is out there; moral preening is for college students. I can't WAIT for the first leak of torture under Obama to make its way to your left-wing-addled brain to see what kind of soup it turns into. You do know it's coming, right - you don't really believe Obama's guys aren't on the ground doing nasty shit, as required, to get the job done? It's only a matter of how many levels deep they choose to bury it. Man, if we could only buy stock in the rendition business for the Obama years....

Posted by: mega at May 23, 2009 8:11 AM

mega - I think this administration will return to the policy of rendition to 3d world countries (to do the nasty work) - a policy started by the Clinton Administration (for the trolls to chew on).

And if any of the trolls think that the captives who suffer rendition in 3d world countries have it better than the way we openly treat them, with full MSM scrutiny, then they are really ignorant to the way life is in the world.

Also, the current push by this Adminstration to still close Gitmo and bring the enemy combatants onto US soil, yet still incarcerate them for long periods without due process is just a test run for when they come for people like us. Just testing how far they can bend, break and then rewrite our current laws of due process.

Posted by: Oiao at May 23, 2009 8:21 AM

Oiao, I entirely agree, hence my comment about buying stock in the rendition business. The need for counterintelligence does not go away just because we've entered a brief era of moral preening and righteous indignation. There's still bad people, and they need to be interrogated, and sometimes it gets ugly. Them's just the facts of life. The real question is whether it gets done in the relative safety of a US facility, or in some dank basement in Amman. Obama will, obviously, get it done in Amman. It's going to be a blast to see how the left responds when one of those episodes makes it to the surface in the next year or two.

But....meanwhile, thinking people have to get their heads screwed on about this stuff. Obama is getting EXACTLY what he wants out of this whole torture imbroglio. Everyone on both left and right is agitated, arguing with each other, getting upset, making arguments, posting on blogs, spending mental cycles, thinking it through. Torture, torture, torture, all day, all the time. Meanwhile, he is rewriting our entire economy and society with cap-and-trade, health care nationalization, bank nationalization, industrial nationalization, zeroing out of bondholder (many of them retirees) positions while forking the cash over to union thugs, and so on, while we all argue amongst ourselves about the trivialities of becoming a morally perfect and morally impossible country. The obsessive media coverage and left-right arguing over torture not only suits his needs, but is quite a brilliant slight of hand.

Posted by: mega at May 23, 2009 8:31 AM

Stupid right wing crypto-Nazis! Inside every so-called terrorist is a scared little boy needing a hug and a teddy bear. If you stopped being imperialists and stealing their oil, and gave enough hugs and teddy bears to all the "terrorists" they would not want to hurt us any more. Would you want to hurt someone who gave you a teddy bear? I say Teddy Bear-YES. Gitmo - NO! Or, we can put all of you right-wingers in Gitmo instead so the rest of us can live in peace and prosperity.

Posted by: obamacratnutlicker at May 23, 2009 8:31 AM

Mega - the window of opportunity to use the 'so called mandate' is quickly closing.

Congress has only a few more short months to pass bills with spead readers before the onslaught of inflation wakes up the middle class.

At least the huge jump in indi registered/aligned voters over the last couple of months is pointing out buyer's remorse.

The 2010 mid-terms are going to be real interesting.

Posted by: Oiao at May 23, 2009 8:38 AM

I think that's right, Oiao. The question is: what's going to be left by 2010?

Posted by: mega at May 23, 2009 8:49 AM

This whole torture debate seems absurd to me.

You've got the right, who has not seen the top secret files, the pictures, the video, the evidence obtained from whatever methods were implemented. But because they are the right, they believe they know that what was done was not torture and gave valuable information, even though the methods used and information are almost entirely top secret and unknown.

And then you have the left, equally convinced that torture did happen, and that the torture was not necessary to save thousands of innocent lives.

Give me the full account of the methods used, give me the history and theory of interrogation, and give me the full account of the information that was learned. How can I responsibly form an opinion without this information?

Everyone arguing about this does not have the facts to form a reasonable opinion. This is an important topic where we must weigh our saftey against our morality, and you all seem to be throwing away an informed opinion in favor of partisan loyalty.

Posted by: Brandon at May 23, 2009 9:32 AM

This string has been jerked in too many different directions to take it anywhere coherent, so all I have is:

I think the photo was hilarious.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 23, 2009 9:55 AM

Open Thread = jerk it in any direction it needs to go. Yes, the photo is hilarious.

Posted by: Oiao at May 23, 2009 10:03 AM

"You do realize that nearly a hundred prisoners, mostly innocent civilians, died in custody after being subjected to these " discomforts"?I
"Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 23, 2009 3:28 AM"

Name three.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 23, 2009 11:28 AM

I bet terrorists are stinky.

Posted by: Judith M. at May 23, 2009 11:38 AM

Brandon, take a pill. I don't need to see any top-secret memoranda to form the opinion that a procedure that results in no permanent injury, no permanent disfigurement, much less death, can reasonably be considered something other than torture.

And given the harsh criticisms I've leveled at GW Bush and John McCain in the past, the idea that I am any sort of partisan is yet another unsupportable straw man.

Posted by: V the K at May 23, 2009 12:10 PM

I don't think the comments were directed at you V, but rather at the whole subject, and really at both sides of the debate.

He's simply saying there's a serious lack of information to base such strong opinions on. People on both sides seem to be willing to take a swing over the subject, based on very little information.

I completely agree.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 23, 2009 12:19 PM

"I just can't believe how anyone can be so utterly f--king stupid and so arrogant at the same time."
I can. Stupidity and arrogance frequently go together, especially when it comes to ultra- liberals.

"Advocating the torture and murder of innocent people in your name, bragging about it. Simply shameful."
He wasn't advocating it against innocent people, you idiot; He was advocating it against TERRORISTS, as a way of getting information to save hundreds of innocent lives!

"The fact of the matter is torture doesn't EVEN WORK."
Wrong again!
Waterboarding has already produced information used to thwart at least two potentially MAJOR terrorist attacks on U.S. soil: A plot to bomb the Brooklyn Bridge, and a plot to perform a 9/11 style "Airliner flying into a building" attack in Los Angeles. But, I'm sure you'd much rather those attacks have gone ahead and let thousands of innocent people die, than live with the horrible knowledge that we made terrorists uncomfortable to gain enough information to stop the attacks from being carried out.
"Waterboarding may turn out to be one of the milder forms of torture used in Iraq and Afghanistan."
That's actually true, but not in the way you'd think. See, the Muslim terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan tortured and killed our troops that they captured in ways which would make what we did to the terrorists in Club Gitmo look like light scolding in comparison. But, I'm sure you're fine with that, since you probably view our troops as evil, redneck fascist mercenaries and view the Iraqi/ Afghani terrorists as brave heroes fighting for social justice or some crap like that.
Another important consideration about waterboarding is that, if done properly, it does not count as torture, because if done properly (With a doctor monitoring the subject's vital signs, which is standard procedure), the subject is in no real physical danger of drowning, they just believe that they are. It is a psychological method, not a physical one. And, as I have pointed out, it has saved countless lives.
"The it's the principle of simple humanity and righteousness versus barbarianism and sub human behavior."
"Barbarianism" isn't even a word! The word is "Barbarism," stupid.

Posted by: Adam at May 23, 2009 12:25 PM

Posted by: SK at May 23, 2009 2:59 PM

Terrorists are great!

I want to tea bag some terrorists!

They hate America as much as I do!

Posted by: Brandon at May 23, 2009 3:32 PM

Casper Wellstoned you still haven't answered the question I asked you from yesterday. Why are you scared to answer? What you do?

Posted by: Watching at May 23, 2009 3:35 PM

mega - an article by the NYT on the very subject of Obama Administration use of Rendition, per the above comments. And this has gained momentum under Mr. Obama........ (hide it away)

U.S. Relies More on Allies in Questioning Terror Suspects = Clinton Era Renditions = no so transparent government of Obama

Posted by: Oiao at May 23, 2009 4:44 PM

Hey, I have an 'equal opportunity idea' for the liberals to put their money where their donkeys are......

Let's send all of our GAY DIPLOMATS and their domestic partners to Arabic and Muslem countries for their posts of duty!

Yeah, that would go over like a gay led baloon.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton:: Gay US diplomats to receive equal benefits

Posted by: Oiao at May 23, 2009 4:51 PM

Does this not beat all hell and supprise the b-jesus out of ya? Unions who now own media outlets in CA demand that editorial staff critical of the Unions be fired. READ IT HERE – Obamanomics at its best, and earlier then expected. Wait till the unions own GM and Chrysler = oh, they already almost do.

L.A. police union (that now owns the paper through investments) wants San Diego newspaper writers fired for criticizing them

Posted by: Anonymous at May 23, 2009 5:57 PM

Brandy....You are one stupid jackass Obomite. Please kindly shoot yourself and meet your 72 virgins. They will probably be little boy virgins I'll bet. You are so gutless.

Posted by: Watching at May 23, 2009 7:04 PM

It's quite easy to use another person's name to say things they wouldn't normally say.

Posted by: Watching at May 23, 2009 7:15 PM

That last post was me by the way.

Posted by: Brandon at May 23, 2009 7:17 PM

That's one reason some of us support registering for this site, BRANDON.

Posted by: KHarn at May 23, 2009 8:42 PM

Our “Values” President?

Specifically, what “values” our president holds dear to his heart are difficult to define or divine.

Are they the “values” of what he called, “sharing the wealth” and redistributing America’s wealth with those who have done jacksquat to earn it while stripping hard-working Americans of the fruits of their many labors?

Are they the “values” of aborting as many pre-born babies as he can get away with while professing an oh-so-sincere desire to make aborting the innocent a “rarity?”

Are they the “values” of subverting America’s military–and our schools–with homosexuals, undermining our economy with debt that our grandkids will be paying off until they are grandparents, and instituting “green” policies that are as functional as teats on a bull?

Nah, they are the values of his concept of “national security.”

In Obama’s commencement address to the graduates of the Naval Academy at Annapolis, young men and women who couldn’t walk out or extend a middle finger if they wanted a career in our Navy, our president said, “When America strays from our values, it not only undermines the rule of law, it alienates us from our allies, it energizes our adversaries and it endangers our national security and the lives of our troops:” http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.bd0713f4765981d1edbe5b522ce08354.3e1&show_article=1.

That pronouncement was as true as rain and as misleading as only this president can mislead.

Message to Obama: You have demonstrated repeatedly that you have no clue as to America’s true values. You have demonstrated with your silvery tongue that you are adept at talking the talk but when it comes to walking the walk you talked you are inept but supremely confident that your mainstream media lackeys will never expose either your ineptitude nor your true, malevolent purposes.

Our supposed allies are committed to their own survival and prosperity, not ours, except as it serves their purposes. Our known adversaries don’t need to be energized with you in office since you seem to have far more empathy for them than for America. As for our national security I do have to wonder which nation’s values and security you have in mind since they are obviously not ours.

With every day and with every utterance of this president it becomes clearer that 53% of voters made a serious mistake on November 4th, 2008. Whether our nation will ever recover from that error is very questionable.

(http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at May 23, 2009 9:05 PM

Grand Wizard Wellstone dares to show his pustulent face here again?

Unbelievable, even for a racist swine such as himself.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 23, 2009 10:00 PM

Memorial Day: What It’s All About, Obama-Style

President Barack Hussein Obama devoted his Saturday radio address to the nation to the subject of Memorial Day and he, his writers, and his trusty teleprompter delivered a touching, patriotic speech intended to gladden our hearts and stir our emotions.

He jabbered on about the “sacred trust” he felt toward our armed forces, about never sending them unnecessarily “into harm’s way,” adding that, “it is time to remember the mission that the military serves.”

And why? Because “That is what Memorial Day is all about. It is about doing all we can to repay the debt we owe to those men and women who have answered our nation’s call by fighting under its flag:” http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/05/obama_what_memorial_day_is_all.html

All fine and good and any decent American would concur that we all owe the deepest expression of heartfelt gratitude to our troops and veterans. Most of us don’t need reminders not to forget the mission of our defenders.

The one flaw in that wonderful address is that it reflected a shameful exhibition of the abysmal ignorance, the dearth of demonstrable patriotism, and the lack of a fundamental knowledge of American tradition and history which even a sixth-grader in years gone by would have known.

Obama, his speechwriters, and his faithful teleprompter evidently weren’t aware that as great a debt as we owe to our troops and war vets, that, Mr. President is not what Memorial Day is all about. That is what Veterans Day, not Memorial Day, is all about. There is a difference.

FYI, Mr. President, . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at May 24, 2009 12:02 AM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SPI405A.html

here's one story. There are at least 36 deaths of prisoners in american custody in iraq due to homicide. That is at least 36 cases where through the military's OWN investigations, they have ADMITTED to at least 36 homicides.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 3:19 AM

"Grand Wizard Wellstone dares to show his pustulent face here again?

Unbelievable, even for a racist swine such as himself."

Well Jay, that was an enlightening. That your argument, that I am a racist is based on a film, and a few comedians is laughable.I was not the one condoning inflamatory language in which many would find offensive. You need to join us in reality.

And Watching, as for your question,it was either too ridiculous to warrant an answer, or I missed it, I was pretty well outnumbered in that debate. You are welcome to try again.

Posted by: Ghsot of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 7:12 AM

Pay attention wellstoned! If some that you had in your custody had knowledge that there was a group of people that was plotting to kill you and your family and they would not give up the information to stop this what would be your response to extract this information? Offer cake and ice cream? A friendly chat? What would you do?

BRANDY get over it. I would say theses things to BRANDON because you are a leftist pig. That right PIG!

Waiting for your answer Wellstoned

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 7:24 AM

My name is Dave leftist Brandy. I live in Memphis. I say what I mean in what what I post with both names. Do to the nature of you trolling pigs my last name will remain with me. Just as you have Brandy leftist swine. Why don't you leave this country you are not deserving of living in such a great nation.

Now put down the hammer and sickle and answer the question Wellstone!

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 7:33 AM

Watching,it is nonsense to suggest "cake and ice cream", Sushi and a bottle of wine maybe...I am kidding. The issue is, for years we got intel without torture.Many interrogators themselves have come out and said, they were receiving info before the waterboarding began.As a country, we need to come to grips that we were hit, a day none of us should never forget. However,if we forget what it is America stands for, then they win. Correct?
So, my answer is no, I wouldn't torture.Since 2003 when I opposed the War in Iraq, I would say Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and the response was that Saddam tortured, Saddam was a bastard, and deals in the past he made with us and the U.N. left thousands dead from the Kurds, to Iranians, and his own people from sanctions. Tell me, what exactly is it that separates us from them at this time? Furthermore, we created more terrorism in Iraq by invading in the first the place. The number of car bombings alone prior to the war were almost non-existent. You can't run around waving your big number one foam finger chanting "USA #1", when we are violating laws and picking up innocent people and torturing them. I look forward to a time when I will boast over everything this country stands for, however, right now I can't do that.

Posted by: Ghsot of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 8:19 AM

If these poor terrorist scum you are soooooo worried about were to take over, how much concern do you think they would have for your precious rights? Would they ponder the injustice as they sawed your lib head off? Or raped and tortured your wife and kids while you are forced to watch?
Learn some history. When any radical group, person or ideology takes power, the first people to go to the wall are the morons who supported them, who fought the system to help them win. You will all die horribly for your efforts on their behalf. yeah yeah I know, more right wingnut insanity. But history proves me right. I address this to all the liberals, commies, fascists, and touchy feely, hopey changey types who post on this and all other conservative forums. Be careful what you wish for...

Posted by: grayjohn at May 24, 2009 8:23 AM

John, bring it! You can claim all you want that the left is helping them win, and it's bullshit! Interrogators, agents, and soldiers have all come out in opposition to the practice of torture. And these are men and women who have been in Iraq. I would think on this Memorial Day weekend you would honor the troops a little more than advocating more war, and then ask them to violate the law. And trying to frame this debate that we are "soooo worried" shows how little you know. Respecting the rule of law and treaties we agreed upon as a nation shows patriotism, not this anything goes nonsense.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 8:37 AM

Welltoned we are at WAR with a ruthless enemy that would use nukes on our large American cities. Is this some thing you are aware of? These are people who would die a quick and easy death to take out others. I know what America stands for so you don't need to tell me. I also know what our enemy wants to do to us. I don't believe you when you say that you would not use other methods for information gathering to protect your family. Take your leftist bullshit to Huffpo. People like you Brandon will get us bombed again except this will be on a much larger scale. If someone in my captivity had the information on the bombing of a city or a plot to murder my family I will use any means necessary to extract the information. People like you, a typical liberal who hates this country, would let the innocent die and you could be one them ya know. Brandon what you represent is weakness and cowardice. You are just plain chicken shit and live in a world of illogical fantasy. Good luck with your views because they will get you hurt as well as your family. You represent the naivety of the left. You are blind to the realities of the type of war are fighting and world which we live.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 9:25 AM

Dave you are pathetic.Such a scared little boy. You claim that Brandon and I "hate America", and it is flat out false. I suggest you read the Military Code of Conduct, and see that nowhere does it endorse torture, because it is an unlawful act!
“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.” - George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 9:38 AM

well put Wellstone. These people here have no idea what it means to be American, yet wrap themselves in flags and pretend they aren't exactly the kind of people they claim to hate.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 9:48 AM

Wellstoned and wingnut not scared and not a little boy You pusssies have not answered the question? What would YOU do you jackass Obomite? I don't need fucking quote from days gone buy so you can dance around your answer. The question AGAIN is what would YOU DO? Are you capable enough to answer from you tiny little litard brain or must you start using quotes because your to fuvking stupid to answer from your bleeding heart. I await YOUR ANSWER!


Fucking libs are worthless. By the way Brandon idiot you posted you disliked this country Just look at may 23 @ 309 pm. Was that you or some other fuck stick posting for you.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 10:24 AM

Wellstoned and wingnut not scared and not a little boy You pusssies have not answered the question? What would YOU do you jackass Obomite? I don't need fucking quote from days gone buy so you can dance around your answer. The question AGAIN is what would YOU DO? Are you capable enough to answer from you tiny little litard brain or must you start using quotes because your to fuvking stupid to answer from your bleeding heart. I await YOUR ANSWER!


Fucking libs are worthless. By the way Brandon idiot you posted you disliked this country Just look at may 23 @ 309 pm. Was that you or some other fuck stick posting for you.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 10:24 AM

Wellstoned and wingnut not scared and not a little boy You pussies have not answered the question? What would YOU do you jackass Obomite? I don't need fucking quote from days gone by so you can dance around your answer. The question AGAIN is what would YOU DO? Are you capable enough to answer from you tiny little libtard brain or must you start using quotes because your to fucking stupid to answer from your bleeding heart. I await YOUR ANSWER!


Fucking libs are worthless. By the way Brandon idiot you posted you disliked this country Just look at may 23 @ 309 pm. Was that you or some other fuck stick posting for you.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 10:27 AM

Sorry about multiple post. This happened yesyerday. Think my mouse has some problems.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 10:44 AM

Has anyone here gone to the Ghost of Wellstone blogspeck that this partisan political hack has linked to? Good for a few laughs. Janeane Garofalo is "lovely?" Only in your world. LOL!!! What a political hack.

Ghost, I don't think anyone violated the UCMJ by using the technique known as water-boarding. Cite evidence to the contrary please. As far as treaties go, the Geneva Conventions wasn't violated from what I understand. The captured terrorists on whom this technique was used didn't have Geneva Convention protections. Cite evidence to the contrary.

As far as treaties go, the interests of the United States and the protection of our sovereignty will always trump any treaty. It's just the way it is. Real-politic and all that. I know that constitutionally treaties are the law of the land but I can't help thinking that you on the Left are hoping to use treaties to do things in our country that would never otherwise be done legislatively.

Posted by: Kevin R at May 24, 2009 10:45 AM

Ohh, calm down and clam up Dave! So quotes of our Founding Fathers are only good when they suit you? As I stated, I would not torture. Intelligence has shown that bribery and relocation work wonders when it involves the detainees family. Or is bribery only good when it is used to pick up some innocent folks in Kuwait, or Jordan? There are techniques that have been determined lawful, prior to the likes of John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales, and Jay Bybee making up phrases for Dick Cheney to justify TORTURE! All of you on the Flying Monkey Right are dancing like cats on a hot tin roof, because you know it is torture, you know it is unlawful,you know prosecutions could take place and to paraphrase some you, it is un-American. It does not represent what we stand for, and for some of the members we are fighting it does. So, I will ask again, what exactly is it that separates us from them at this time? I await your answer...

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 10:50 AM

awww who needs the constitution when it's inconvenient, right?

answer to your question Watching: I wouldn't torture. simple as that. No guarantee that it would provide an answer anyway.

You see, I don't believe in stooping to the level of my enemies. You don't defeat evil by becoming evil yourself. You just create more evil, but you don't get that do you.

On top of this, your scenario is completely irrelevant and has no application to the actual incidences of institutionalized government approved torture we are talking about her. There is also a reason why family members of victims would not be allowed to interrogate suspects.

Do you advocate the use of torture/waterboarding by the police in criminal interrogations? If your kid was picked up by the cops for being a suspect in a crime, would you approve of him or her being waterboarded in order to get info they may or may not have had? Do you approve of waterboarding for your average white american, or does it only work on poor brown people in war torn countries?

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 11:00 AM

Kevin, in 2002 the United States declared it would abide by the Geneva Conventions. Also in 2002 Senator McCain claimed we violated international law by doing so. Do your own research.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=has+america+violated+the+geneva+conventions&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Further, you cannot redefine POW, or call torture "enhanced interrogations" just because it suits at at the time. In addition, we were picking people up who haven't done anything. If I were a betting man, I would guess some of 500 whom Bush/Cheney released from Gitmo were innocent to begin with, and then joined the Jihad following their treatment. Again, what separates us from them at this time?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 11:07 AM

Well done Wingnutcracker! Oh, and Kevin, regarding my humble little blog, call it what you like. It is no more partisan than this was is. Van happens to get more traffic than I and unknowingly given me a few tips, so why wouldn't I link it?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 11:12 AM

DEATH TO AMERICA!

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 11:16 AM

Oh, now that is pretty adult.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 11:22 AM

Wellstone said:
"Tell me, what exactly is it that separates us from them at this time?"
wingnutcracker said:
"You see, I don't believe in stooping to the level of my enemies."

To both of you, I say this:
The tactics use by the US that whiny libs like you have your panties in a bunch over are NOTHING compared to what the Muslim terrorists do to our troops that they have captured. Our tactics involve pouring water on a prisoner whose vital signs are being monitored, sleep deprivation, and playing loud music. Their tactics involve hot pokers, acid, and slow beheading with swords.
"Do you advocate the use of torture/waterboarding by the police in criminal interrogations?If your kid was picked up by the cops for being a suspect in a crime, would you approve of him or her being waterboarded in order to get info they may or may not have had?"
Average criminal investigations for crimes do not have potentially thousands of innocent lives at stake depending on what information they get. The investigations of terrorist acts DO have potentially thousands of innocent lives at stake depending on the information they get.
" Do you approve of waterboarding for your average white american, or does it only work on poor brown people in war torn countries?"
1. The fact that you must stoop to playing the race card (Ultra- liberals' #1 all- time favorite tactic) demonstrates how weak your argument is.
2. If that white American was a terrorist whose information may prevent thousands of innocent people being killed in a terrorist attack (As Khalid Sheik Mohammad did, hence why we waterboarded him, which led to our gaining enough information from him to thwart at least two MAJOR terrorist attacks that were to be carried out on American soil), then yes.

Posted by: Adam at May 24, 2009 11:22 AM

My only hope is that Obama pushes the matter, and doesn't rest until Cheney, et al are in jail.

Unfortunatrly, it doesnt look like he will, which is a BIG mistake, given the fact that a precedent has been set. Once you accept torture it will be hard to go back. The next republican admin will certainly go back to torturing with ever more fervor and gusto given they will have the Bush admins unpunished example as a precedent.

Bush/Cheney Prison '09

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 11:25 AM

Adam, you are wrong. Deuce Martinez who questioned Khalid Sheik Mohammed, turned down the use of waterboarding and his long discussions with him resulted in the information we were seeking. He was waterboarded 183 times by others which resulted in no intel according to reports. Your argument does not hold water, because it is un-American to engage in the behavior you are suggesting worked.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 11:29 AM

Adam, many of the "prisoners" picked were guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Waterboarding makes the victim feel they are dying. The average Marine can only last 14 seconds without begging to stop. Making people believe you are killing them is by all definitions a form of torture. EVERYONE recognizes that mock executions, for example, are torture. You seem to be fixated on the physicality of torture but pay no mind to psychological torture.

The fact of the matter is, the us government has only waterboarded brown people. Make out of that what you want.

If a police interrogator could possibly save 10 lives by torturing his suspect, would it be worth it? Would it be worth it if it were your kid? your mom?

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 11:33 AM

Casper Wellstoned you are a fucking idiot you still have not answered the question! WHAT WOULD YOU DO!! Answer the question and stop dodging it. You are such a pussy that you are afraid that if answer it truthfully it would make you a typical liberal Obomoite jackass sheeple HYPOCRIT. You are so fucking fake!! If you don't like it here so much then get the fuck out of the country. Go live in the middle east and see how long your pansy ass would survive. You are misinformed and a blue face liar.

Now you go play with your hammer and sickle you fucking leftist lying chump!!!!

Oh and by the way wingnut and Wellstoned He wasn't water board 183 time you dumb ass robomites. He admitted to being water boarded three times the last 180 time the interrogators were dripping water on him for shock effects. Stay off the CNN liberal robomited.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 11:46 AM

Watching,

We both answered your question. I guess you are so caught up in a mouth foaming spittle flicking fury you can't even read or write.

Guess you think you won that argument, huh?

if it's about spewing hate filled profanity, you're a real winner!

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 11:59 AM

Nice language Dave, and immature tactics using my name and link. I have answered...PAY ATTENTION! Further, you prove yourself incredibly shallow with the repeated name calling, and the hammer and sickle reference. It shows you got nuthin! I have never stated I don't like it here. I openly admit, I take issue with actions my Government takes part in. They represent the people, and torture, does not represent me, or my fellow citizens...yourself and a few others excluded. We have participated in behavior that has brought on much of the animosity felt toward the country. If you fail to see that, than you are no more than a flag waving flying monkey! I suggest you do a little homework on what America represents, you'll find we have not always behaved accordingly, and I find that unfortunate.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 12:01 PM

Wingnutcracker...LoL...we are almost in unison here. Thanks man!

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 12:03 PM

Thank you....That's the only language you idiots understand. No you have not answered my question. You guys are the biggest idiots I have ever seen on this sight. Hypocrites! I welcome people like you hating me because I have no use for losers such as yourselves. If you have children I feel sorry for them because their parents are left wing idiots and will grow up living off the tax payers and living the a life tailored by blue face lying parents trolls.

Oh I for got......FUCK YOU BOTH!!!! Had to put in some profanity so you Robomites could have something to CRY ABOUT. You don't represent America...America doesn't whine like you two girls do.

NOW!!!! Back to your hammer and sickles leftist pigs! Now Comrades!!

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 12:20 PM

does america rant and rave in vile invective like you do? You represent America? What a repulsive thought.


And I don't hate you Watching. I feel sorry for you. It's pretty clear who the hate-filled one is.

just sad...

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 12:29 PM

I just hate liberal and socialist and not afraid to admit it. You stupid idiots will ruin this country. Not here to win foolish man I am here to be heard and express my opinion, not make quotes from others to justify my answers. I was looking for your personal answers that comes from your minds. What would YOU do in the situation I laid out in my previous posts. You still don't have an honest answer.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 12:38 PM

Oh my Dave, are you compensating for something here? All this tough language from a guy who can't even read that both I and Wingnut answered you. And like Wingnut, I don't hate you either, I actually find you entertaining in a sadistic sort of way. Dave, I am man enough to admit, or stop when I recognize I got beat around here. You might try it sometime. My guess is some of the other Conservatives saw your childish playground antics and stayed out this one, at least Adam offered a coherent defense of his position on torture.Your foul mouthed ranting hardly represents Conservatives I know. That includes a family members, friends, girlfriend and ex. You got beat, cause you got nuthin!

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 12:39 PM

I just hate liberals/socialists and not afraid to admit it. You stupid idiots will ruin this country. Not here to win foolish men I am here to be heard and express my opinion, not make quotes from others to justify my answers. I was looking for your personal answers that comes from your minds. What would YOU do in the situation I laid out in my previous posts. You still don't have an honest answer.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 12:40 PM

cant you read? I said I would not torture the suspect. is that not enough? your scenario is stupid anyway, and could never actually happen.

I asked you a number of questions, but you have not answered one. This is because you have no arguments or rational justification for your beliefs. i doubt you've even given the matter significant thought. It's clear you lack intellectual curiosity and are only semi-literate, so you resort to hate-fueled name calling and hysterical hyperbole to puff yourself up.

Honestly, who do you think you are fooling? You are out of your league. But that's why i like Moonbattery...easy pickings!

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 12:45 PM

LOL......Casper you are a fool. I like to rant sometimes it makes me feel good. Seen some of your left buddies lately? HYPOCRITES the both of you. I don't care if other don't want to jump in on this. The important thing is that you two lefties are and I am having the time of my life with you two chumps. This is how I feel and if you don't like it or my language well I suggest you grow some balls or maybe some thicker skin. I am still really pissed off at the both of you because how you two leftist where playing the race card yesterday. That includes Brandon as well. I'll keep on have fun and if you don't like it then don't read my posts. I feel that all mentioned in this post you are lying frauds and leftist. You come here to antagonize therefore I take pleasure in antagonize you chumps. You would be shocked to learn of how many Americans are just as angry like me about the political situation and the part the mainstream media takes plays in all this nonsense. The Dems and the left have accelerated a culture of corruption and lies and you guys are just playing right along. Yep I mad. Yep I hate liberal and socialist and I don't like when idiots bash this country and say how much they hate. They should be deported. If you don't like it get over if your such A MAN.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 1:04 PM

good luck to you, watching. you are a sad sad man.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 1:13 PM

Where did we bash this country Dave? I stated, that while "our" Government has participated in actions as far back as the Gulf of Tonkin, to Central America, to the current war in Iraq that certainly does not have me blindly waving my flag. Your language is hardly offensive to any reasonable adult, however, it lowers any credibility you may have possessed. And by the way, I see my leftist friends all the time, and contrary to your beliefs we're all over the place, and even a few here. Maybe Storm Front would suit you better? At least Van Helsings posts, Jay's arguments and few others are coherent. Torture is not an American value, and it never has been. Washington, Eisenhower,and Carter, among others made that clear. And I find it ironic that fire breathing Christians are some of those that defend the use of torture, yet ignore the fact that Jesus was tortured. Funny how that works...

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 1:15 PM

Bribery and relocation? You actually trust these people casper? Foolish ghost.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 1:16 PM

Dave, you are quickly becoming a poster boy for short sighted idiocy. It has worked. And no, I do not trust terrorists. That said, how refugees have fled Iraq, and what financial assistance did they receive from the U.S.?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 1:25 PM

Yep I'm a sad man. It's because the left have taken over and disgraced this nation. This president and his administration is a joke.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 1:29 PM

Better get used to it buddy, looks like you're one of a dying breed, thankfully.

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 2:02 PM

I'm not your buddy that's for sure. 2010 is not far. Keep sucking off that Government tit jackass. Your time will come. Have a nice day loser/free loader. Yours is the dying breed sheep man. You don't deserve a memorial day holiday...your an Ant-American socialist pig.

Go play with your hammer and sickle socialist pig! You and all your socialist troll cohorts.


Ghost, wingnut, and Brandon you are the poster children for socialistic pig. May the force be against you....always!

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 2:15 PM

watching, when you are in hole...stop digging! You keep coming with the same tired rhetoric, you metaphorically had two people kick your ass! Lol

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 2:18 PM

blah blah blah

Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 2:31 PM

Don't care!! I feel good. Laugh all you want. You two are still fools and I had fun. It's not about you selfish liberals. LOL! You guys are self righteous trolling idiots. Well time to go. Catch you things another time. By the way if you feel triumphant well that's just fine because I do to and there where two of you idiots! It's all a matter of opinion foolish men. It's Memorial Day on Monday try not to deface the flag and dishonor our veterans. They did fight for your freedom to be stupid Obomite jackass leftist pigs you know.


Have a great holiday chumps!!!!!

Oh yea don't drink and drive.

See Ya wouldn't wanna be ya!!!!!

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 2:34 PM

Take care, have a beer and relax, you appear to need it. Happy Holiday to our Vets, they deserve it. For the record, I am having drinks tonight with Vets Dave, so don't try the nonsense. Wingnut, you as well, enjoy the rest of the weekend, it has been fun.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 2:43 PM

Don't drink. I to will be spending time with friends that are Vets and yes it has been fun. God bless this country and her military. Even though we have had candid conversation please don't drink and drive. Yes I would even give the likes of you guys a ride home. Lost to many friends to this tragic mistake. It breaks my heart.

Posted by: Watching at May 24, 2009 2:49 PM

"Bush/Cheney Prison '09
"Posted by: wingnutcracker at May 24, 2009 11:25AM"

There were OFFICIAL hearings to determing if there was anything that Bush, Cheny, et al could be charged with. You Liberals spent the whol;e time flinging ACCUSATIONS and DEMANDS instead of offering EVIDENCE. It would seem that you people don't believe in THE RIGHTS OF THE ACCUSED, do you? Or maybe you just have contempt for American juris prudence and love the way communists, fashists and nazis do things.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: give me EVIDENCE of criminal wrong-doing by Bush and/or Cheny and I'll drag them out to the nearest tree or lamp post and hang them!

Posted by: KHarn at May 24, 2009 3:27 PM

Waterboarding is NOT torture. Poking your eyes out, pulling your toenails off, using a dewalt drill on your teeth is torture. This coming out against torture crap is just that. CRAP! History is on my side, Obama and the left are on yours. I feel sorry for you. No matter what you think, Obamas civilian security force (read Gestapo) will put you and your kind against the wall first. And as your life comes to a sad and violent end, I hope you hear this as your last living thought: "How's that Hope and Change working out for you?"

Posted by: grayjohn at May 24, 2009 6:22 PM

Jesus Christ.. I'd rather be waterboarded with sulfuric acid than see another one of Wingnutcrackhead or Casper Wellstone's posts. Where do these libs come from? Obama didn't make room for a bong in every basement in his Stimulus package and they gotta take it out at conservative blog sites?

Posted by: Atomic Lib Smasher at May 24, 2009 9:55 PM

Ghost of Wellstone, I see, you can't cite evidence to the contrary. That link cites the ANSWER coalition condemning us for violating the Geneva Conventions and John McCain saying we violated the Geneva the Geneva Conventions. Excuse me Ghost of Wellstone, none of this proves that those captured were under Geneva Convention rules. They weren't and you know it. What a lame excuse for citing that they were. You are nothing but a partisan political hack.

Posted by: Kevin R at May 24, 2009 10:26 PM

Ghost, as I wrote before:

Ghost, I don't think anyone violated the UCMJ by using the technique known as water-boarding. Cite evidence to the contrary please. As far as treaties go, the Geneva Conventions wasn't violated from what I understand. The captured terrorists on whom this technique was used didn't have Geneva Convention protections. Cite evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Kevin R at May 24, 2009 10:38 PM

You can't do it, can you Ghost of Wellstone?

Posted by: Kevin R at May 24, 2009 10:40 PM

Cite the evidence.

Posted by: Kevin R at May 24, 2009 10:51 PM

Apparently Ghost of Wellstone, you don't know the difference between someone making a statement and actual evidentiary fact.

But then, whatever is useful for your partisan political purposes.

Posted by: Kevin R at May 24, 2009 11:57 PM

Right, Ghost of Wellstone?

Posted by: Kevin R at May 25, 2009 12:08 AM

Prove that you're something other than just a partisan political hack.


Posted by: Kevin R at May 25, 2009 12:19 AM

Kharn, it's hilarious that someone who advocates torture for political prisoners then goes on to argue for the "rights of the accused"....what a numbskull!

Posted by: Anonymous at May 25, 2009 1:23 AM

An incident as to where the Geneva Conventions were violated cannot be cited because in 2002 Bush/Cheney had declared that we would adhere to the Geneva Conventions, however it the incidents at Abu Ghraib did violate the Geneva Conventions standards for POWs.

I also find it interesting, that you guys were so adamant about asking me the same question over and over after Dave and I cleared it up.After WWII there were convictions of the Japanese for Waterboarding. And in addition you may want to read some of William Miller's writings when he was a prosecuter at Nuremberg. Kevin, where in the UCMJ does it endorse the use of torture? Where?

Furthermore, when did it become an American value to pick someone up on suspicion of maybe knowing someone who knew someone who might be a terrorist?And for how many years are going to detain someone w/o charges and w/o a trial?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 25, 2009 8:27 AM

Number one: The prisoner abuse at Abu Gharib wasn't policy. Your first sentence up there very slyly makes it appear that what some individuals did was some authorized policy. And you know, those individuals did get prosecuted.

Number two: You must have some evidence that Japanese were convicted for using the same technique our interrogators used. The same technique our interrogators used. Cite the evidence you use to make that statement. It must be right at your fingertips. You and Dave didn't clear anything up.

Number three: Kevin, where in the UCMJ does it endorse the use of torture? Where? The technique used by our interrogators known as "waterboarding" wasn't torture. Cite evidence to the contrary please.

"USA #1", when we are violating laws and picking up innocent people and torturing them.
Posted by: Ghsot of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 8:19 AM

I suggest you read the Military Code of Conduct, and see that nowhere does it endorse torture, because it is an unlawful act!
Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at May 24, 2009 9:38 AM

Ghost of Wellstone you make all kinds of statements and you can't back them up with facts. You insinuate that the technique used by our interrogators known as waterboarding is torture yet you can't cite any actual facts to support your statement. You insinuate that people violated the Military Code of Conduct as a matter of authorized policy. Yet you can't cite any facts to support your statement.

"We are violating laws and picking up innocent people and torturing them." Your words. Cite the evidence you use to make this statement. Since you make the statement so effortlessly you must have all the info.

The fact is you have nothing to back up your statements, do you. All you are is hot air. What a partisan political hack you are, Ghost of Wellstone.

Posted by: Kevin R at May 25, 2009 11:42 AM

"Kharn, it's hilarious that someone who advocates torture for political prisoners then goes on to argue for the "rights of the accused"....what a numbskull!
"Posted by: Anonymous at May 25, 2009 1:23 AM"

So I advocate torture for political prisoners, do I? Where did you read that, asshole?

And you think that TERRORISTS are "political prisoners", hmm? Yeah and I heard a lot of HIPPIES claim to be "political prisoners" when they were arrested and spent a few hours in jail for vandalism, too. If you want to say something about the torture (Actual, flesh-tearing TORTURE) of political prisoners, then you better read about MUSLIMS and COMMUNISTS. What do you call stoning a GAY to death? Or sawing a NEWSMAN'S head off while he's alive?

By the way, I don't advocate imprisoning these bastards, they should have been SHOT instead of captured, according to the rules of war.

Posted by: KHarn at May 25, 2009 12:38 PM

Bribery and relocation is the solution that the Ghost has. Yea right. I think I'll just take it all in. Happy memorial day to all veterans and thank for fight for our freedoms even the one theses jackass trolls have. Water boarding is not torture it is coercion.

Posted by: Watching at May 25, 2009 3:56 PM

Well I guess it's clear now how much logic and reason play into Watching's thought process...

You don't know a damn thing about me buddy.

Posted by: Brandon at May 25, 2009 5:01 PM

"Better get used to it buddy, looks like you're one of a dying breed"

You know who used to make comments like that all the time about his political adversaries when his party first came into power? Joseph Goebbels.

A few years later he was feeding cyanide to his six children and he and his wife were committing suicide. Ain't politics a bitch sometimes?

Posted by: Judith M. at May 25, 2009 5:27 PM

Don't want to Brandon. I know your kind however. Koole ade drinking sheeple.

Hammer and sickle time for you socialist Robomite!

Posted by: Watching at May 25, 2009 5:51 PM

Lil Brandy must have got HER feelings hurt....grow some skin chump!

Posted by: Watching at May 25, 2009 6:40 PM


Ok watcher, If you say what you mean, and you stand by your words, and if your words have any relevance whatsoever, then I challenge you to find one shred of evidence that I support either communism or socialism.

If you can't, everything you said is a little sissy lie and your mother is a tranny :)

[this is great by the way, I don't think i've got into an insult match like this since the 2nd grade. I guess I've really missed out on all the right has to offer]

Posted by: Brandon at May 26, 2009 12:18 AM

"Adam, many of the "prisoners" picked were guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Oh, PLEASE! Any facts to back that up beyond what Code Pink, World Can't Wait, DU, and HuffingtonPost can offer? Didn't think so.

"Waterboarding makes the victim feel they are dying."
FEEL like they are dying is not the same thing as if they actually ARE dying. Waterboarding, if done right, is a purely psychological method, the term 'Torture' applies to purely physical methods which actually CAN seriously injure or kill the subjects.
"If a police interrogator could possibly save 10 lives by torturing his suspect, would it be worth it?"
1. As I explained earlier, investigations into basic crimes (Thus necessitating mere police interrogation) do NOT have potentially thousands (Read that again: THousands, not merely 10) of innocent lives at stake depending on the information released, as is the case in terrorist interrogations.
2. If it is a purely psychological method of interrogation which does no lasting damage (i.e. waterboarding), then yes. But, wait, I forgot; you consider ensuring the comfort of a criminal to be a MUCH higher priority than protecting the lives of innocent people.

"And no, I do not trust terrorists."
Apparently you do, since you trust them enough to believe that merely bribing them will be enough to make them give you accurate, trustworthy information.

Posted by: Adam at May 26, 2009 11:35 AM

Brandy you silly troll! Did you support and vote for Obama? Do you accept his policies which lean to the socialising of this country? Are you for this president BRANDY?

BTW my mother would kick your bleeding heart liberal ass and I would just love to see that.

You are a big wussy. You need more hammer and sickle time troll.

Posted by: Watching at May 26, 2009 12:19 PM