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May 13, 2009

Open Thread

Posted by Van Helsing at May 13, 2009 6:58 PM

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Compliments of Aaron S.

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"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."


Vladimir Lenin

Posted by: TED at May 13, 2009 9:10 PM


Right On, Ted! Add to it this:

"When an opponent declares,
'I will not come over to your side.'
I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already…
What are you? You will pass on.
Your descendants, however,
now stand in the new camp.
In a short time they will know nothing
else but this new community.'"

~ Adolf Hitler

Posted by: TonyD95B at May 13, 2009 9:16 PM


All the inocent kids marching to the drumbeat of socialism and have their minds controled by THE GREAT OBAMASES need anymore reason why we should leave the sinister UN

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at May 13, 2009 9:37 PM


Popes and Jews

The young Bavarian, Joseph Ratzinger, must have been in a quandary. He had just hit 14 and all 14 year old boys in Hitler’s Germany of 1941 were automatically drafted into the Hitler Youth, a paramilitary unit of the Nazi Party obligatory for all future Nazis. The Third Reich was designed to last a thousand years and it needed regular recruits to perpetuate its “Master Race.”

His older brother, Georg, was already enrolled even though their Catholic father was strongly opposed to der Feuher and all that godless Nazism represented. However, Joseph’s and Georg’s options were severely limited, unlike the largely-fantasized lives of Austrians, Maria Reiner and the von Trapp family in The Sound of Music. Their hills were alive with more than music and flight was unrealistic.

Besides, Joseph wanted to be a priest, even a cardinal, so his planbook didn’t include marriage and propagating. He retaliated by not bothering to attend required Hitler Youth meetings in a silent protest. Joseph was again drafted at 16, after entering the seminary, this time into the German anti-aircraft corps and he briefly trained for the infantry.

As World War Two was ending, he deserted from the German military, briefly became an Allied POW, re-entered the seminary, received Holy Orders, and went on to become a liturgical scholar, bishop, archbishop, and a cardinal.

In April, 2005 Joseph Alois Ratzinger succeeded Pope John Paul II when he was elected 265th Supreme Pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church. Pope Benedict XVI became sovereign head of the Vatican, Bishop of Rome, and leader of the world’s 1.13 billion Catholics.

Fast forward four years, which is where this article is going. It required a short intro just as a personal admission is in order.

As a Catholic, I have major issues with my Church, especially but not limited to its infestation by homosexuals who have disgraced and all but impoverished the Catholic Church with their perversions.

My other issues range from disagreements with the Second Vatican Council to ordaining women as priests to permitting priests to marry, marry women, that is. Such changes would go a long way toward cleaning up the mess the Church is in.

As for regretting the excesses of the Crusades and the Inquisition, they are such old news they don’t merit regrets or apologies in A.D. 2009. Others should follow suit in burying the past.

I should also add that I am of Irish extraction with no known connections or relatives in Germany, Austria, or in any of the neighboring Benelux countries. Point is, I don’t have a national dog in the fight between Pope Benedict and Israelis and, unfortunately, there is a very mean fight in progress.

This pope, in my estimation, is a good man, a man who has experienced and dealt with life up very closely and very personally. He has seen and resisted evil incarnate in Hitler and Nazism and what he witnessed has clearly colored his life and thinking.

I would not sanctify him as a future saint, as I would his predecessor, Pope John Paul II. Sainthood requires far more proof of holiness and more longevity in his current position.

He also is a peace-loving man, as most popes and other spiritual leaders have tended to be in the last 500 years or so. In that role as peace advocate, if he were to “take sides,” any hopes for accomplishing any true peace on Earth would be dashed against the rocks of divisive political sectarianism and nationalistic bluster.

And, so, Pope Benedict XVI went to the MidEast, to a Holy Land that has been immersed in violent turmoil for 6 decades, if not for 2000 years. To an objective observer, based on the reactions of some to his journey, it would seem this 82 year old holy man took this road trip for the sole purpose of stirring up trouble.

He was received well enough in Jordan on what the Vatican termed a ”journey of faith,” of peace, and renewal, a pilgrimage intent on avoiding political intrigues and entrapment: xxhttp://www.zenit.org/rssenglish-25775.

In Israel, he encountered what can best be described as a cool welcome, something shy of wild enthusiasm. At worst, he was received with outright condemnation.

Israel is still steeped in a seething, unrelenting anger against Germany for the Holocaust, three generations and more since Hitler’s war was ended by Allied troops and after those Allies freed the concentration camp survivors. Sixty-four years may not be sufficient time for Jews to consign memories of the Holocaust to an awful era of their history.

The matter of Jewish antipathy toward the papacy is more complex. It should have been so consigned years ago since the initial disdainful and rude reaction to Benedict’s visit is rooted in a misconception, namely what they regard as Pope Pius XII’s inadequate response to Jewish refugees during the Second World War.

That canard has long been floating around but the best recent Jewish recognition of its inaccuracy is this grudging, almost sarcastic, report that Pius XII saved 24 Jewish refugees, “just weeks after German occupiers rounded up about 2,000 Roman Jews on Oct. 16 and deported them to Auschwitz.” (http://jta.org/news/article/2009/03/05/1003472/vatican-document-shows-pius-xii-saved-jews)

A far more exhaustive and objective article refuting the charge of Pius’ disregard for the Jewish plight and his designation in one book as “Hitler’s Pope,” can be found here: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/dalin.html.

A more pertinent question may be, If Pope Pius XII is to be condemned, why should not the United States, and FDR, be condemned for failing to rescue Jewish refugees in the 1940’s? After all, FDR turned back a boatload of them and had far less compassion, although . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com/)

Posted by: Berlet98 at May 13, 2009 11:54 PM


Anyone that doesn't see the connection between then and now are refusing to look.

Posted by: TED at May 14, 2009 6:09 AM


Liberals are blabbering about his carizma well i can see right through it it certianly dont fool me NOT OL FLU-BIRD HYUK,HYUK,HYUK COUGH,COUGH AACHHHOOO SNIFF SNIFF IVE GOTS A RUNNY BEAK SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK

Posted by: Flu-Bird at May 14, 2009 6:26 AM


Watched the finale of FRINGE the other night and it was horrifying to find that there is another universe with its own OBAMA. One is quite enough, thank you! Image the two of them getting together for a game of hoops? Ugh.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 14, 2009 6:31 AM


Image the two of them getting together for a game of hoops? Ugh.

A one-on-one game to 10 baskets between the two might take Days since Obie isn't that great, despite the sycophanting media fawning.

Hey - that's a good idea. Get him to play basketball and he'll have less time to enact his unconstitutional power grabs and fascism.

Posted by: Naqamel at May 14, 2009 6:53 AM


Another IVAW member found out to be a fraud.

Posted by: son of a preacher man at May 14, 2009 7:38 AM


hey Lalor, I think you're missing the point. The pope went to the middle east to add political/moral pressure to the Israelis to agree to an independent Palestinian state. The Israelis could not swoon about how great it was that the pope was in Israel when they knew he would spend the next three days turning the screws on them to agree to territorial, political and military concessions. They would've looked like weak fools, as opposed to grouchy, whiny Jews. In this case, the latter is preferable. To see this recent papal visit solely in religious, hospitality, or historical terms, instead of political and policy terms, is naive in the extreme.

Posted by: mega at May 14, 2009 8:03 AM


Personally, I think the idea of a Palestinian State was a bit of a genius stroke by Bush and Rice for one (major) reason:

When the PLO gets a state, and can't control their people, and suicide attacks continue, Israel will have a Palestinian State to formally declare War on and wipe out...

The flip side, is if the PLO gets their own state, and is able to control the suicide bombers, then TERRIFIC.


Posted by: Naqamel at May 14, 2009 8:09 AM


I enjoy going to gradegov.com and reading the diatribes people are writing to their critters. I looked at Chuck Schumer's, and there were plenty of F grades and bombs being vollied in his direction. One lone demo moonbat wrote this letter, perfectly illustrating the democratic mindset:

"Jluce123456 (DEM), writes
I gave you a grade of A. For getting the scammers who try to steal money for auto warranties. Thank you I also want to give you a phone number to a person who call me about buying a auto warranty. The person was rude and hung up on my wife."

Posted by: Karin at May 14, 2009 8:31 AM


I meant "democrat" mindset.

Posted by: Karin at May 14, 2009 8:32 AM


This guy writes the funniest letters. He wrote this to Patrick Leahy:

"Disenchanted (IND), writes
I gave you a grade of F. Either you have a major medical condition or a big drinking problem."

LOL! They need more votes over there, guys, if you can spare a sec.

Posted by: Karin at May 14, 2009 8:42 AM


I just love watching Nancy Pelosi squirm around as she tries to get out of her lies. She is lying through her botox lips not knowing about water boarding.

Libs....natural born liars!!

Posted by: Watching at May 14, 2009 11:17 AM


Torture? Try this.

And she wasn't being interrogated because the state believed she held information regarding future attacks which would kill innocent people.

Posted by: Lyle at May 14, 2009 2:03 PM


Thanks for "keeping it real", LYLE.

Posted by: KHarn at May 14, 2009 2:36 PM


BRANDON;
I left you a message in the "Moonbats Dream of Taking Our Cars" thread.

I said that you have proved yourself not worth responding to because you refuse to back up you oppinions.

Posted by: KHarn at May 14, 2009 3:32 PM


yep, totally diggin' the Pelosi thing. Most fun I've had watching the news since Obambi took office.

Posted by: mega at May 14, 2009 4:38 PM


Not sure if this has been posted here or not...

MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS

Posted by: SK at May 14, 2009 7:08 PM


Posted by: V the K at May 14, 2009 8:46 PM


Posted by: V the K at May 14, 2009 8:52 PM


I found this interesting list on the wikipedia:

The elements of a mixed economy typically include a variety of freedoms:
* to possess means of production (farms, factories, stores, etc.)
* to participate in managerial decisions (cooperative and participatory economics)
* to travel (needed to transport all the items in commerce, to make deals in person, for workers and owners to go to where needed)
* to buy (items for personal use, for resale; buy whole enterprises to make the organization that creates wealth a form of wealth itself)
* to sell (same as buy)
* to hire (to create organizations that create wealth)
* to fire (to maintain organizations that create wealth)
* to organize (private enterprise for profit, labor unions, workers' and professional associations, non-profit groups, religions, etc.)
* to communicate (free speech, newspapers, books, advertisements, make deals, create business partners, create markets)
* to protest peacefully (marches, petitions, sue the government, make laws friendly to profit making and workers alike, remove pointless inefficiencies to maximize wealth creation)

with tax-funded, subsidized, or state-owned factors of production, infrastructure, and services:

* libraries and other information services
* roads and other transportation services
* schools and other education services
* hospitals and other health services
* banks and other financial services
* telephone, mail and other communication services
* electricity and other energy services (eg oil, gas)
* water systems for drinking, agriculture, and waste disposal
* subsidies to agriculture and other businesses
* government-granted monopolies to otherwise private businesses
* legal assistance

and providing some autonomy over personal finances but including involuntary spending and investments such as transfer payments and other cash benefits such as:
* welfare for the poor
* social security for the aged and infirm
* government subsidies to business
* mandatory insurance (example: automobile)

and restricted by various laws, regulations:
* environmental regulation (example: toxins in land, water, air)
* labor regulation including minimum wage laws
* consumer regulation (example: product safety)
* antitrust laws
* intellectual property laws
* incorporation laws
* protectionism
* import and export controls, such as tariffs and quotas

and taxes and fees written or enforced with manipulation of the economy in mind.

Posted by: Brandon at May 14, 2009 9:01 PM


RE: Muslim Demographics, Posted by: SK at May 14, 2009 7:08 PM

Canadian author Mark Styen addresses this at great length in his 2006 book, America Alone - The End of the World as We Know It.

Excellent book - I highly recommend it. The dust jacket notes summarize it pretty well:

"It’s the end of the world as we know it…
Someday soon, you might wake up to the call to prayer from a muezzin. Europeans already are.

And liberals will still tell you that "diversity is our strength"—while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning books and barber shops, the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn’t violate the "separation of church and state," and the Hollywood Left decides to give up on gay rights in favor of the much safer charms of polygamy.

If you think this can’t happen, you haven’t been paying attention, as the hilarious, provocative, and brilliant Mark Steyn.....shows to devastating effect in this, his first and eagerly awaited new book on American and global politics.

The future, as Steyn shows, belongs to the fecund and the confident. And the Islamists are both, while the West—wedded to a multiculturalism that undercuts its own confidence, a welfare state that nudges it toward sloth and self-indulgence, and a childlessness that consigns it to oblivion—is looking ever more like the ruins of a civilization.

Europe, laments Steyn, is almost certainly a goner. The future, if the West has one, belongs to America alone—with maybe its cousins in brave Australia. But America can survive, prosper, and defend its freedom only if it continues to believe in itself, in the sturdier virtues of self-reliance (not government), in the centrality of family, and in the conviction that our country really is the world’s last best hope.

Steyn argues that, contra the liberal cultural relativists, America should proclaim the obvious: we do have a better government, religion, and culture than our enemies, and we should spread America’s influence around the world—for our own sake as well as theirs.

Mark Steyn’s America Alone is laugh-out-loud funny—but it will also change the way you look at the world...."

Publisher: Regnery Publishing, Inc. (September 16, 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0895260786
ISBN-13: 978-0895260789

Posted by: TonyD95B at May 15, 2009 2:26 AM


One other comment to add:

Philadelphia-born entomologist Paul R Ehrlich's 1968 book. "The Population Bomb" predicted that "In the 1970s and 1980s . . . hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now."

When I was in school I can remember how seriously this deeply flawed book was still being taken. The resulting hysteria (please pardon the pun) helped drive the low birth rate in the West.

The "Liberal Progressives", particularly the Environazis, have played along quite nicely with this, and continue to do so. Even though the birth rate was declining, they used such things as increased generational overlap (due to our "health care crisis", perhaps?) and immigration to convince us all we'd be eating Soylent Green by now....

After all, it's so "selfish" to have children, isn't it? "You must be one of those (insert derisive term here) Catholics..."

Yet the Left turns a blind eye to the demographic trends our friend SK draws our attention to earlier in this thread......

Posted by: TonyD95B at May 15, 2009 3:05 AM


I have a few students (high school) who think being a "socialist" means you like to go to parties.

Posted by: Andrea at May 15, 2009 3:37 AM


Andrea, I thought as much when that Rasmussen poll came out saying some alarmingly high number believed socialism was best for the country. These idiots were probably thinking of their social networking sites like Facebook.

I think we're all home-schoolers now. Nights and weekends.

Posted by: Karin at May 15, 2009 7:19 AM