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I guess it was too easy to arrest the people that actually trampled the poor man to death.

meanwhile the serial shoppers go free.

What exactly is Walmart supposed to do? Turn firehoses on the crowds to disperse them? Once again the shopped/killers get away scott free. These lawyers and the DA are no better than the Somali Pirates.

Wal-Mart deserves it. Their failure to provide a secure environment for their workers is just the tip of the iceberg. To suggest that the monies paid by the company is absurd. They can certainly afford it with the way the import cheap plastic crap from China, stymie and take advantage of their employess, and manipulate markets. There is a warm place in hell for the likes of Wal-Mart.

Provide a secure work environment? They should use Moonbats like Wellstone, lawyers and DA's to control the crowds and get trampled to death - that would solve alot of the worlds problems.

Walmart is a terrible place to work. Thats why thousands of people apply for jobs there for each opening.

Heres my solution force each shopper on Black Friday to drink Kool-Aid containing a fast acting sedative that lasts about 15 minutes - long enough for them to slowly stumble into the store. Of course one of them might sue because they tripped while they were groggy and skinned a knee.

Notice Moonbats like Wellstone Ghost never say what they would do to prevent random tramplings. And what goofs like him dont get is that in the end the cost of those lawsuits is simply added to the price the consumers pay.

Apparently you have never worked a large crowd before. In the event of a large sale, or in-store appearance you organize prior to the event. Furthermore, if you are going to have a sale in the fashion that Wal-Mart prefers to, you have a very large amount of the desired product. Having an in-store appearance with the Goo Goo Dolls, Wilco, or Jay-Z required planning for the unexpected...huge crowds! As in make sure you have the security to handle the crowd, as well as unruly fans/customers. AND HAVE ENOUGH PRODUCT! For Christs sake, a 34 year man died because of their inability to take the proper precautions, and you want to fucking defend them? What is wrong with you?

"I guess it was too easy to arrest the people that actually trampled the poor man to death." -Farmer Ted

FT: These are the same people who elected our latest President, so that they 'no longer have to be worried' about paying their mortgage, buying gas, or putting food on the table'.

The One, and his ilk, enjoy providing validation to the idea that individuals are not to be held responsible for their actions; and the only evil that is to be conquered is the 10% of earners who are providing 70% of the revenue this country runs on.

Reality aside, the only part of this that matters is that a completely different 70% of the voters do not understand that they are voting producers out of business, voting employers out of the country, and continuing to vote snake-oil salesmen into positions of power.

I seem to remember the story, wasn't there a sale on all things moonbat that day? Let's see.
1. Gather all the liberals you can in one place. Check
2. Work them into a tizzy over something that is only available HERE and NOW. Check
3. Hire untrained, underpaid, non-English speaking person to sacrifice. Check
4. Release the dogs of war. Check
5. Sue someone for something. Check
Looks like a typical ACORN picknic to me.

Dan,
Good point.

A few thouhgts all Wal-Mart baiters. If this had happened at a Target store, we probably wouldn't have heard anything about it. It happened at a Wal-Mart store and the MSM hates Wal-Mart with a passion. Target would have two million fewer dollars to spend on their nausea-inducing television ads.

While the moonbatty Wal-Mart whiners screech about everything they hate about Wal-Mart, Target is just as guilty. Yes, no one has been trampled at a Target Black Friday, but the truth is that Wal-Mart is always in the MSM's sights, always.

The two million dollar fine is a typical liberal response, throw money at the problem in hopes that it will go away--ractive instead of proactive. Who could have known that the frezied crowd go bezerk? And why improve store security and safety just at the New York stores?

If the Wal-Mart whiners have doubts about Teflon Target, read this link: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12289

And if you libs don't think that the MSM has an anti Wal-Mart agenda, read this: http://www.businessandmedia.org/news/2006/news20060222.asp

Sorry, if I confused any Wal-Mart whiners out there with logic and facts, I know how much you hate it when that happens.

When is the last time any of us has heard or read anything about Teflon Target Corporation's misdeeds?

Someone got trampled to death and a greedy lawyer sued. Incredible. It is a liberal plot! I know I was at the meeting when we decided to do this. How are you guys figuring it all out? Amazing.

Yes WalMart has to pay $2mil, and of course the next logical step is that we will all be left "looking at boarded-up stores." Flawless, now could anyone argue?

This goes slightly off the rails.

The left sues reflexively. A huge percentage of liberals make their living through ritual lawsuits. That's just part of what liberals do; like bacteria secrete toxins. Wal-Mart and the homicide in question are just incidental for this particular lawsuit opportunity. And c'mon...Wal-Mart is where the money is.

Personally, I don't like seeing one continual stream of shopping centers with a Home Depot or CVS on every corner, with a Wal-Mart in between.
But if people shop at Wal-Mart to save a few bucks that's a business agreement between them and the store. So knock yourselves out. Which will happen.


The real issue is the wanton murderous actions of the idiot mob. The death of someone needs to be payed for but in this case the murderers are likely to walk. Each and every one of the mob idiots should be identified, prosecuted and imprisoned. I don't care if they take their flat-screen TVs and their Wi-whatevers with them to their cells, but everyone involved in this should be doing long hard time.

Preferably with each other.

Yes, of course ... I forgot that lawsuits are the domain of liberals. There are no conservative lawyers. And no lawsuits are brought by conservatives either.

And your punishments are just! Why aren't you a judge? Clearly all those people who might have been pushed from behind (and all sides) and really had nowhere to go but be pushed are incredibly guilty. We should put them in prison!

There is so much space in our prisons, and they're so cheap to run! And as we all know, when someone comes OUT of prison, they are completely rehabilitated. So yes, prison is the answer! Good job Fiberal, problem solved.

Funny, that delusional right-wingers want to say Wal-Mart may have "boarded up stores"...They already do! They take part into the practice of closing a store in order to move, and then proceed to leave the previous building empty in order to prevent a competitor from purchasing it. Target does not partake in that nonsense. As far as the Mom and Pop stores that go under, you're right, they cannot compete on bulk deals. Of course they can't, they cannot hire lobbyists or involve themselves with companies such as Handelman. What many of you don't know about Wal-Mart I could just about fit into the Grand Canyon, and for all of you Teabaggers out there, I suggest you review the numbers of Wal-Mart employees that collect food stamps..Umm...that is our tax dollars providing that money, because they won't pay a livable wage!

Anonymous / Moon bat sarcastically states, "Yes, of course ... I forgot that lawsuits are the domain of liberals. There are no conservative lawyers. And no lawsuits are brought by conservatives either."

"Lawyer" is the most common qualification for Democratic political candidates, such as Barack Obama and Joe Biden.....or John Kerry....or John Edwards.

They're still cleaning up the mess that Edwards' lawsuits caused. This was the goofball that "channeled" a dead child in the courtroom, and made millions persecuting obsetricians and gynecologists with what was essentially "junk science"

Vice President Biden is another liberal lawyer that has made millions off of his political influence in The First State (Del-a-WHERE?) Biden's biggest contributors during his Senate days were out of state law firms looking to exploit the unique Delaware court system for huge asbestos settlements. Sometimes even the plantiffs got a cut.

Biden's son Beau (AG of DE)? Lawyer. He's doing a good job of following in Daddy's footsteps, too.

President Obama and spouse? Lawyers. Ever wonder how Michelle got that big raise right after hubby got elected to the Senate?

The Clintons? Lawyers. Do we really need to discuss all the things they did as lawyers (Whitewater, et al?). Books have been written on this subject.

Go look at the Federal Election Commission website and contribtion data sometime. One of the big contributors to the Democratic Party? That's right - Trial Lawyers.

A lot of the so-called "Health Care Crisis" was caused by lawyers, not doctors.

In contrast, on the Independent / Libertarian / Conservative / Republican side of things, the offerings are a lot more diverse.

Ronald Reagan? Radio personality, lecturer, GE pitch man, governor, actor, and union leader. DEFINITELY not a Lawyer.

George Bush, Sr? Naval aviator (DFC), Yale graduate (economics,)self-made millionaire businessman, and CIA director. Definitely NOT a Lawyer.

George Bush, Jr? F-102 pilot (with 600 hours in the logs), Yale graduate (history), Harvard business school grad (the only President with an MBA), businessman, pro sports team owner, and governor. Definitely Not a LAWYER.

John McCain? Naval Academy graduate, decorated Naval aviator and officer (20+ years), with combat experience and time as a POW, Congressman, and Senator. Definitely NOT a Lawyer.

Sarah Palin? Journalist, TV personality, Miss Alaska contestant, businesswoman, mother, outdoorswoman, mayor, and governor - and DEFINITELY NOT A LAWYER.

I could go on....but I'll stop here so you and that delusional guy that thinks he's a ghost can pat yourselves on the back for trying to insult me a few times.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know....you came here loooking for rational debate... I don't know the facts.....you're "mystified" as to how this relates to the post (next you'll be "enchanted").....I know what you're gonna say, so I ought to write your responses for you.

This was about Walmart, not sure where you've taken it Tony. Oops, sorry, you were going to write for me.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2009 9:03 PM:

"This was about Walmart, not sure where you've taken it Tony. Oops, sorry, you were going to write for me."

I did......I said you'd claim to be "....mystified" as to how this relates to the post".

What, do you forget what you write? "Not sure where I have taken it" - when it STARTS with a quote from YOU.

Do I need to start explaining your own posts to you now?

Sorry - not gonna play.

Get a clue, Anonymous / Moon bat.

Funny, that delusional right-wingers want to say Wal-Mart may have "boarded up stores"...They already do! They take part into the practice of closing a store in order to move, and then proceed to leave the previous building empty in order to prevent a competitor from purchasing it. Target does not partake in that nonsense.

You're an idiot. Wal-Mart is concerned with making money, not holding onto leases and unused property.

As far as the Mom and Pop stores that go under, you're right, they cannot compete on bulk deals. Of course they can't, they cannot hire lobbyists or involve themselves with companies such as Handelman.

You think Target doesn't put Mom and Pop stores out of business? Any large corporation that enters a market has a detrimental effect on existing business. Office Max, Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-Mart, Target, Walgreens, the list goes on and on. That's the way things work, sorry you're not a fan.

What many of you don't know about Wal-Mart I could just about fit into the Grand Canyon, and for all of you Teabaggers out there, I suggest you review the numbers of Wal-Mart employees that collect food stamps..Umm...that is our tax dollars providing that money, because they won't pay a livable wage!

And here's where you confirm your Moonbattery. Disgusting use of homosexual sex acts as insults, arrogance and condescension (I read The Wal-Mart Effect, too, big deal) with a dash of Progressive nonsense thrown in as well. Just what is a "livable wage," Wellstone? I've lived off of far less than what Wal-Mart pays, and I was only part-time at that point in my life. Of course, I couldn't afford $100.00 sneakers, a Playstation, new car, nice house. I couldn't buy beer or cigarettes or go out to eat whenever I wanted. I had to make actual tough decisions, but I did it. Maybe you're so confused because you have things ass backwards in your head. See, it's not that people deserve a wage that matches their lifestyle, it's that their lifestyle must be one that's supported by their wage.

Don't like it? Don't work there. As you can probably tell - being so knowledgeable about Wal-Mart's inner workings of course - there is no shortage of people applying for jobs there.

As to the article, obviously Wal-Mart is culpable. It's reasonable to assume that there would be a large crowd on the biggest shopping day of the year, and they didn't take steps to handle that fact. $2 million seems excessive, but I soundly reject your reasoning of, "they deserve it," simply because it's a large corporation. Overall, I'm more troubled by a large group of people behaving like animals to the point that someone dies. While Wal-Mart could have and should have had procedures in place to streamline movement, I don't think any reasonable person would have expected this mob to turn into a slobbering mass of people, trampling employees and even injuring a pregnant woman.

Pretty sad.

Tony, the actual numbers are 78 Republicans and 123 Democratic lawyers in Congress. However, you fail to mention that both Parties have Attorney Associations dedicated to their respective parties. Furthermore, you fail to address the issues Wal-Mart does have. Vacant properties throughout North America, thousands of lawsuits involving sexual and racial discrimination,violations of child labor laws, violating salaried employees privacy rights last fall by encouraging the workers to not vote for Democrats. Or how about the big one, ya know on security at our ports? Wal-mart's use of Lobbyists with close ties to Homeland Security is an issue we all can agree on.
* Robert Bonner, former top Homeland Security official, went to work for one of Wal-Mart's Washington lobbyists in 2005.

* Asa Hutchinson left his job as under secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to lobby for companies on security issues at Venable, one of Washington's oldest lobbying law firms and another of Wal-Mart's Washington partners.
* Hutchinson was connected to Wal-Mart long before he took the nation's No. 2 security post. In his brief stint as congressman from Arkansas' Third Congressional District—home to Bentonville and Wal-Mart's global headquarters—Hutchinson had taken more than $12,500 from Wal-Mart's Political Action Committee, and at least $7,000 more from top Wal-Mart executives and Walton family heirs. Wal-Mart's previous CEO, David Glass, has been a long-time patron to Hutchinson.

* Hutchinson's brief tenure at the Department of Homeland Security saw the creation of Customs' voluntary supply-chain security program and a controversial decision not to bring criminal charges against Wal-Mart for its abuse of illegal immigrants hired to clean its stores. The workers' lawyer said, "They generally worked seven nights a week, 364 days a year, and they were often locked in the stores." Wal-Mart instead was fined $11 million. Wal-Mart even denied being fined, calling the payment "voluntary."

What's worse for America, Lawyers or Lobbyists?

Cowlove, Walmart can afford to compensate the family of the victim. I take exception to your comment that I "hate Walmart cause they are a corporation", that is nonsense. I hate their business practices.And I have an insiders view of their efforts to stifle smaller companies and undercut employees. Spending 10 years working for Warner/Elektra/Atlantic,as a liason between Handelman and WalMart, I regrettably brokered some of their bulk music buys.And Cowlove, they have unused property a mile from my house, and it is a practice they use frequently. While that one sits empty, unavailable, they are now building another 3 miles from that one. I have sat on the council approving their building plans, and it was a concern of many.

I agree with you that one's work needs to afford the desired lifestyle, however, if it is a wage that will not help feed your family, then it is a issue. There is a high cost to their low prices.

Tonyd95b


Good points all. I might add that the biggest number of suits are: Labor and employment, product liability and environmental cases.



In particular, product liability cases make up nearly 10 percent of all federal civil filings.
Cases dealing with personal injuries continue to grow and now account for 94 percent of all product liability cases.



Moreover, these constitute a large percentage of federal and state litigation activities:



• Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA) Charges
• Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) Charges
• Equal Pay Act Charges
• Harassment Charges
• National Origin-Based Charges
• Pregnancy Discrimination Charges
• Race-Based Charges
• Religion-Based Charges
• Sex-Based Charges
• Sexual Harassment Charges


Not to mention that the ACLU, ACORN, CAIR, Sharpton and Jackson's Rainbow Coalition drive some of the left's most egregious looting lawsuits.

One only has to look at the kind of litigation that clogs the courtrooms (The Community Reinvestment Act, busing, redistricting, affirmative action, suits against school vouchers) to see that this activity is not the domain of conservatives. This is pure and simple legalized extortion driven by liberals to loot what they cannot earn or accomplish on their own.

Man, these people stink.
(BTW you ever notice how a liberal can just spew out any meaningless point that then requires a bit of referenced disputation by a conservative? No wonder conservatives are as a rule so much smarter than liberals...they have to be just to cope with the imbeciles)

I take exception to your comment that I "hate Walmart cause they are a corporation", that is nonsense.

Look, if you're going to use quotation marks, then quote me. Your entire first comment on this post was a diatribe against Wal-Mart. For example:

They can certainly afford it with the way the import cheap plastic crap from China, stymie and take advantage of their employess, and manipulate markets. There is a warm place in hell for the likes of Wal-Mart.

Rhetorical garbage, and unrelated to the subject matter.

You can be against Wal-Mart's business practices all you want. In fact, I'd probably agree with you on many points. They have essentially put companies out of business just for refusing to lower their standards of quality in order to meet Wal-Mart's price demands. A good example is Snapper. You won't find their mowers in any Wal-Marts, and they're one of the few companies to stand up and still survive.

There are both good and bad aspects to the "Wal-Mart economy." I personally refuse to shop there at all. But that's my choice, and I'm willing to pay for it in higher prices elsewhere. Some people are either unwilling to, or can not make that decision, and you simply have to accept it, even if you don't respect it.

Speak with your wallet instead of coming here and basically confirming the stereotype of a frothing liberal, cool? I have no problem with having a disagreement, but your attitude becomes unbearable very quickly.

Ahh, we agree on something, I myself refuse to shop there. I only set foot in their stores when I was asked to do product counts for WEA. There are a million bad things for the Wal-Mart economy we a witnessing. First off though, supporting some idea that Democrats are behind the lawsuits is an example of an "attitude becomes unbearable very quickly."

What is witnessed in their business practices is predatory, and vile. Whether or not you support Unions? Firing someone for wanting one is absolutely wrong. Their actions against their workers on numerous levels show their contempt. The fact of the matter is that while they reap billions, their workers suffer, not to mention the sweat shop in the countries around the globe.Like yourself, I would rather spend the couple extra bucks in a store that treats and pays it's workers fairly. To date, Wal-Mart has faced upwards of 9,000 lawsuits from employees since 1998. Some may be frivolous, but I highly doubt 9,000 cases were unwarranted.

In addition, standing up to the lobbyists they hire is a step, and standing up to them is another.

Wellstone this is turning into you ranting against Wal-Mart, no?

As far as lawsuits go, I don't care. If they've faced 9,000 or 90,000, the system is obviously working if and when they're forced to pay for breaking laws and/or regulations. Obviously some of those lawsuits are frivilous, and you do well in that outright admission. The point remains, however, that you simply disagree with Wal-Mart's business practices. Calling them predatory and vile is a little much, in my opinion. It's a business, and predation is the nature of business when it comes down to brass tacks. The only thing I really take issue with is:

Firing someone for wanting one [a union] is absolutely wrong.

Clearly it's not, although you should clarify your statement to say, "Firing someone for attempting to organize a union..." Wal-Mart has no obligation to employee anyone, much less someone attempting to subvert their business practices.

Believe it or not, Wellstone, a lot of people are coming realize that Wal-Mart sells garbage, a lot of it. Some people are using their wallets to make a statement. Some people can't, or won't. The difference between me and you, however, is that you want to compel Wal-Mart to change based on your ideology, and I'd rather leave it to the public's decisions on the free market.