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I'll take a healthy Chesapeake Bay over water spots on my dishes thank you. But then again, I have a conscience...

How can governments destroy a business? By requiring them to produce products no one wants to buy. But this is good. Anybody want to buy a Prius?

Morons.
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The businesses in southern BC will enjoy the extra cash

Here's the ban on phosphates that went into effect on Dec. 1 1985:

COMAR 26.08.06.03 Phosphate Ban.http://home.ncifcrf.gov/ehs/ehs.asp?id=119

A. After December 1, 1985, a person may not use, sell, manufacture, or distribute for use or sale any cleaning agent that contains phosphorous, except as provided below:

1) Products that may be used, sold, manufactured, or distributed for use or sale regardless of phosphorous content include:

(i) Used in dairy, beverage, or food processing cleaning equipment,
(ii) Used in hospitals, veterinary hospitals, clinics, health care facilities, or in agricultural production
(iii) Used by industry for metal cleaning or conditioning,
(iv) Manufactured, stored, or distributed for use or sale outside the State,
(v) Used in any laboratory, including a biological laboratory, research facility, chemical laboratory, and engineering laboratory,
(vi) Used in a commercial laundry that provides laundry services for a hospital, health care facility, or veterinary hospital, or
(vii) Used for surface cleaning, appliance cleaning, or specialty home cleaning, and not for dishwashing or laundry;

I have to wonder what now the dairy industry, food processing industries, hospitals, agricultural production etc, etc, are going to do if they must use inferior cleaning products that work so poorly that people complain they leave "their dishes encrusted with food, smeared with grease and too gross to use..."

There are a lot of bad unintended consequences that this kind of legislation is going to produce.

Environazi meant "I'll accept spots on my dishes if it means a healthy Chesapeake Bay"...
didn't you, environazi?

Anyhow, enviro', I have a *right to choose* to use the bad detergent. Don't impose your morality on me!

I'll take a healthy Chesapeake Bay over water spots on my dishes thank you. But then again, I have a conscience...

So, your "conscience" empowers you to enforce your will over other people's choices. Does that "logic" also apply to abortion?

My St. Bernards have much bigger tongues and can get an entire meals worth of dishes squeaky clean in no time at all.

Liberals are such a bunch of sissied sissiepates with their minds working over time on stupid ideas

Can't the Electrasol et.al. people then just label the bottle "for use for surface and appliance cleaning only." (wink nudge). Isn't a plate a surface? Isn't a fork kind of an appliance?
Anyway, I had no idea NY was doing this. They have such STRINGENT commercial food handling laws, you can barely make dinner for the family without a PhD in chemistry, a semiconductor cleanroom, and a $5000 license. How can standards of cleanliness be maintained with gunk all over the food prep/serving stuff?

FREE--so will Southern Ontario, that's a lot of border mileage.
Environazi--there's a difference between disease-breeding filth and water spots.

"A bill on Capitol Hill would impose a nationwide ban.'

Waste of time, these States constitute a big enough part of the market that, like California/cars and Texas/textbooks the manufacturers are already phasing out the "non-compliant" products nationwide - it will take a couple of years though.

They're going to have to comply with the Department of Health, though. Anytime anybody tries to do something environmental, it damages some other part of the enviro. In this case, we need to kill some microorganisms. But yet, we don't want to.

Wind farms: clean eco-energy. Hideous for visual environment and hazardous to wildlife.

Wildlife mgmt: Favoring one species upends the predator/prey relationship. Everything goes off kilter. Some starvation may ensue.

Environazis hate animals!

"Environazi at April 1, 2009 9:51 AM"

How do you feel about greasy dishes?

Phosphates are also used in fertlizers, so please expand the ban, moonbats; that way you can protest the FOOD SHORTAGE!

this kind of reminds me of the ol' "low flow" toilets of California.

Yeah, right! Those toilets (required in all new toilets sold from about 1990 on) flush so badly (unless you can afford a super-delux model), getting the brown stuff down usually takes 2-3 flushes, thereby totally wasting the concept of "saving" water by using the low flow.

And a shower? Don't get me started on those (I used to call them the "no flow" shower)...

Anything that makes life easier or more pleasant MUST be done away with to assuage the horrible guilt of self-hating moonbats for having been born.

If you want to get around the ban, just go to your local hardware store and buy a package of trisodium phosphate (aka TSP). Most often you'll find it with other products for outdoors cleaning, like decks. Just add it to your phosphate-free eco crap to make it clean like the old days. You'll have to do a little research to find out the right amount to add per load. Also works in the clothes washing machine.

better start buying up the incandescent lightbulbs as they'll soon be outlawed - just purchased 10 four-packs of varying wattage this week.

Big choice up here.......do we go to Coeur D' Alene for "good soap" ....oooorrrr....use the styrofoam plates? hmmmmm

First of all, I don't think we are supposed to call the "housewives" anymore!! Isn't that politically incorrect??? heehee

Second, to follow up what the guy said about low-flow shower heads: years ago, I lived in an apartment complex. The management came around and replaced our shower heads with low-flow heads (we had NO choice!!)

I tried to convince myself "maybe it won't be so bad." I couldn't even shower or get clean. I was freezing cold because by the time the warm water trickle got past my shoulder area, it had already cooled off. It took me twice the time to shower. I had to use a plastic cup to fill up with water to even finish my shower. Then, when I got out, I realized, I still had soap on my legs and feet. The tiny trickle of water evaporated by the time it got that low!! I took the shower head off, drilled a bigger hole in it, and replaced it. Problem solved.

Hey environazi, your false dilemma is showing...

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