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This is just the kind of thing that the enviromental extremists would want since they have been so brasnwashed by PAUL EHRLICHES fruadulent books and especialy extremists like WORLDWATCH and other eco-extremists

Throw Darwinist beliefs in the mix and you have the new (old) Europe...hailing back to the days of Germany under Hitler and dozens of other "social-refining programs" in Europe and Britain prior to Hitler.

This is just more proof that liberalism is regression and not progress.

As long as they all practice on each other first, I'm good with this.

I'm with mega here. Who gives a rats ass if a bunch of moonbats start killing themselves, or each other? If they come after me or my family, they will be greeted with a bullet between their beedy little eyes, but I encourage them whole heartedly to move forward with this experiement, so long as they keep it in the "progressive" family.

Someone should make an entry here...

Government Lethal Chamber

Robert W. Chambers 'foresaw' this very thing in some fiction written near the turn of the century in 1895.

To wit:

"The Government has seen fit to acknowledge the right of man to end an existence which may have become intolerable to him, through physical suffering or mental despair."
(...)
He paused, and turned to the white Lethal Chamber. The silence in the street was absolute. "There a painless death awaits him who can no longer bear the sorrows of this life."

What they really need is to implement Logan's Run. Free love and sex and partying, all the time, no worries, and then when you're 30 your time is up. They've got about 90 % of that implemented already. All they need is Carousel and it's a wrap.

"human rights" Is here anything with the term "human rights" in it that isn't completely rotten?

Another one of these cracked urns is someone named E.O. WILSON who has this rediclous tangent that some other creatures other that humans should have been the planets dominante life seeing how absolutly cracked these wackos are

It's already happening in Oregon, and with national health care, it will be a public mandate, very soon. 2012 is real. Get your paper plates, light bulbs, weapons and wood gathered. Social chaos is coming.

Any word on whether or not this is sponcered by a MUSLIM organisation?

KHarn, the Moslems are too busy procreating to bother with things like this. They assume we will wither away on our own, without intervention aside from the occasional terrorist strike. It turns out, they're right about that.

If it's such "a marvellous possibility given to a human being", why hasn't he tried it?

Lead by example, asswipe.

I prefer the way I went out in Soylent Green. Listened to some nice tunes, nice Orange lights, watched a nice nature movie, drank a cup of hemlock then it was off to the Waste Disposal Plant aka Soylent Green Factory.

For those who dont think going home is cool - EAT ME !!!! Literally. LOL!

"Henry" beat me to the punch. Soylent Green is a pretty good assessment of the future under liberalism.

He added: 'I have a totally different attitude to suicide. Suicide is a very good possibility to escape a situation which you can't alter.

Was an asswipe.

'As a human rights lawyer I am opposed to the idea of paternalism. We do not make decisions for other people.'

And he said that. And he lives in Eunuchistan.

Wait... aren't you guys the warmongers with all the guns? And you're afraid of a bunch of whiny liberals? Pussies ;-)

I always find the whole "culture of death"/"culture of life" thing funny. The Catholic Church and other churches had their day in the sun, and the culture they produced wasn't the "culture of life". It wasn't even close.

The peace we enjoy today is due manly to plentiful food (science), reduction in disease (science again), transportation advances (more science), and free trade (democratic liberalism). A hundred people committing isn't even close to the approximately three billion (with a B) people who have adequate food this century because of the Haber process.

Take these things as nutty individuals. The culture is fine.

To the anonymous moonbat, for your info, the Holy Roman Church has done more for the protection of life than any other organization on Earth! If it does not have a culture of life as the centre of its ethos what does it have? Why dont you elaborate when making ex-cathedra statements and dissapearing back in the shadows?

´free trade (democratic liberalism).´

GUFFAW GUFFAW GUFFAW!!! Did I read that correctly??

Hey anonymous moonbat,

I bet you'd prefer in one of those glorious secular utopias. You know, the Soviet Union, China, or somewhere like that. They've only killed a hundred million people or so.

You can't trust a liberal: They have a smile on their face, "tolernance" on their lips, genocide in their hearts.

I believe that with every ounce of my Christian Soul.

They want you dead, us dead, themselves dead. (Except for a select few, who they ALL believe thay are a part of.)

Silly liberals.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!

"Throw Darwinist beliefs in the mix and you have the new (old) Europe...hailing back to the days of Germany under Hitler and dozens of other "social-refining programs" in Europe and Britain prior to Hitler."

LOL; the evil of the “Darwinist” knows no limits!!!!! Just like those who throw people from the top of tall buldings (Newtonists).

And it's news to me that the 6 million+ murdered Jews in Germany committed suicide. Apparently they were rounded into camps and killed against their will. Or is it Islamophobic to point that out?

And to the "anonymous moonbat": well said! If you're not an American you don't have to be a touchy-feely Christian to be on the right. Hail to the Eurotrash right!

Posted by: General at April 5, 2009 9:50 PM

You mean the same Catholic church that assented to, say, the African slave trade, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the Norman invasion of England, etc.

You remember a guy called Vlad the Impaler? You know, the guy Dracula is oh-so-loosely based off of? He was a Catholic hero at the time. Even though today he is best known for his various tortures and murders, he was also a staunch military man and defender of Christiandom. Presumably because it simply wouldn't do to dine amid the hanged corpses of your serfs if you were a heathen.

I think the Catholic Church of today has benefited greatly from its loss of secular power. They are paragons of virtue - now. However, they forget far too quickly their own bloody history.

Posted by: Scaramouche at April 5, 2009 10:09 PM

Thank you, I already live in a secular utopia. One where the government and religion are explicitly kept separate. One that forbids religious tests to hold political office. A country where one square mile could have a synagogue, a mosque, and any number of churches coexisting peacefully because none of them have the secular power to persecute each other. Gee, what country is that again?

*You mean the same Catholic church that assented to, say, the African slave trade*

When did the church do that? The Popes condemned racial slavery as early as 1435! Read the papal bull issued by Eugene IV called Sicut Dudnum

*the holocaust*

Debatable! I can direct you numerous works on the defense of Pius XII, but the fact that the New York Times testifies against the anti-Pius campaign is something in itself!

*the Crusades, the Norman invasion of England*

Since when where those bad things? Back then the Vatican was a powerful military state in Feudal Europe! What else would you expect? The world was different then! Barack was not there to teach us!

Yes I know Vlad Tepes! He remains a local hero in Romania, which as you seem to forget was under severe oppression from The Religion of Peace of the Imperial Ottoman Army! Never the less, his religion cannot serve as a justification for moral sin, for any man!

The Church has made severe mistakes in its 2000 year history, but that pales into insignificance compared to 80 years of Socialism!!!!

"the Crusades"
Posted by: Anonymous at April 5, 2009 11:24 PM

The Timeline

630 Two years before Muhammad's death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting 'agreements' from northern tribes. They could enjoy the 'privilege' of living under Islamic 'protection' (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).

This tax sets the stage for Muhammad's and the later Caliphs' policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.

633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today's Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35).

634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: 'The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.' To this Khalid retorts: 'How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many' (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: '[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists' (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem's; the second mine).

634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet's daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad's wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali's supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad's grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad's death.

705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor

732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance

749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids

756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids

762 Foundation of Baghdad

785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia

807 Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non—Muslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem

809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy

813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country

831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy

850 Caliph al—Matawakkil orders the destruction of non—Muslim houses of prayer

855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

837—901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France

869—883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia

928—969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969)

937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places

937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked

960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

966 Anti—Christian riots in Jerusalem

969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo

c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East

973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids

1003 First persecutions by al—Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed

1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al—Hakim (see 937)

1012 Beginning of al—Hakim's oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians

1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses

1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.

1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate

1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia

1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine

1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia

1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana

1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies

1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca

1090—1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands

1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970

1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099

So it is only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions that Western Christendom launches its first Crusades.
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saw this somewhere:

'You know what the real horror of the Crusades was? That they failed. That the armies of Christendom didn't win and keep winning and sweep down through Arabia to Mecca and turn every God-damned mosque into a church and put every God-damned mullah to the sword. Maybe then that part of the world wouldn't be the same cursed, sterile, barbarian-haunted desert it's been since Muhammad decided he could get more chicks starting a religion than he could as a failed merchant.'

What do you do if you're a loser incapable of holding an honest job? Start a religion of course!

What do you do if you're a loser incapable of holding an honest job? Start a religion of course!

It worked for Al Gore and Barack Obama.

Gimme, that sounds exactly like Old Mo! His first wife was a businesswoman; and a good one at that. Feeling like a loser, he dreams up an ingenious scheme.....

"What do you do if you're a loser incapable of holding an honest job? Start a religion of course!

It worked for Al Gore and Barack Obama."

Don't forget Ronald Reagan!

What religion or ideology is free from waging unjust wars?

Even America waged a war against itself once already.

But calling suicide a 'marvelous possibility' has either got to be an ill used shock tactic or complete idiocy.

Still there is a real issue here. What would you choose if your body was wasted away, you were kept alive with a breathing tube and a feeding tube, and your mind was left perfectly aware so that that you could perceive the horrible pain that overwhelms your body?

Personally I would take the breathing tube out, and it would be nice if someone pumped me full of heroin first.

Don't wait until then, Brandon. Seize today!

if healthcare is nationalized in this country, this may be coming to a neighborhood near you. whether you like it or not.

we have a neighbor near our cabin who calls the ambulance to go to the hospital sometimes 15-20 times in order to get to the nearest large town 35 miles away. they find nothing wrong with him and turn him loose - he's mental and just wants to go shopping! my husband used to pick him up from wherever and bring him home and he'd call other neighbors. once the cops got so sick of him they delivered him to the county line where another cop picked him up and brought him closer to home.

Brandon;
They'res better stuff out there than heroin.
It leaves you feeling all oooodley.
Carpe Diem dude. Show us how.
These morons dont want you to wait till your breathing through tubes.
Appologies to morons everywhere.

"You can't trust a liberal: They have a smile on their face, "tolernance" on their lips, genocide in their hearts.

I believe that with every ounce of my Christian Soul."

No, seriously Jimbo, remember, we're the ones that protest unjust wars. We're the ones that are disturbed by the deaths of our soldiers, and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians (because no, they're not all terrorists, regardless of what you've convinced yourself). Get it right, we're not the ones that support death and chaos, you are. But hey, like somebody commented earlier, even if we were the "Nazi's" that you're claiming we are, what are you guys so worried about? Aren't you the ones that are stockpiling firearms?

Does somebody have the right to let their life end of they're suffering while hooked to breathing tubes and machines? Of course they do, and you want to deny that right because of your twisted little christian beliefs, you're sick.

Silly hypocritical asshole wingnuts.

RENEW! RENEW! RENEW! RENEW!

Jimmy,

The fact that you think some bureaucrat has your best interest at heart makes you pathetic.

Sure, Jimmy, the left was so concerned about the Iraqi people that they wanted to let Saddam continue to murder and torture the population at will for things like "speaking."

Also, have you ever heard of a DNR? It makes your silly little example completely moot, so look it up before you go spouting off about things you don't understand in the slightest.

You're welcome.

'You know what the real horror of the Crusades was? That they failed.'

Yes, because nothing says that you're the peaceful "culture of life" quite like slaughtering everyone who disagrees with you.

...everyone who disagrees with you.

No, no, no silly moonbat. Just the ones that try to kill us!

"According to a Lancet study, 655,000 Iraqis have died as the result of our invasion which is (by all informed accounts) more than Saddam has killed in his 40 years as Iraq's leader."

Boy, you guys sure do have a funny way of expressing your "culture of life!" Whoops! Talk about "killing em with kindness"!

And please, I do not need an education on resuscitation laws from a guy with the user name "cowlove".

No thank you.

Jimmy still believes that Lancet study? It's been seriously questioned by the L.A. Times, Slate magazine, hell, even the Iraq Body Count Project says, essentially, that it's bullshit.

Probably still waves around Al Gore's Hockey Stick, too.

"According to a Lancet study, 655,000 Iraqis have died as the result of our invasion which is (by all informed accounts) more than Saddam has killed in his 40 years as Iraq's leader."

Um, that study is so bogus that liberals have actually recanted and stopped citing it. Get with the times. But really, we get it, you would've preferred to let Saddam kill Iraqis at will while breaking whatever cease-fires he wanted. Agree to disagree?

And please, I do not need an education on resuscitation laws from a guy with the user name "cowlove".

Well, maybe not from some guy with the user name "cowlove," but you clearly do need to learn about DNRs. They're legal documents that handle the exact example you used earlier, without the ethical dilemma of doctor-assisted suicide.

What do you do if you're a loser incapable of holding an honest job? Start a religion of course!

It worked for Al Gore and Barack Obama. Don't forget Ronald Reagan!

I'd say they were more personality cults that weren't really the fault of the people in question. I bet Reagan would cringe (were he still alive) at the people who say that a building should be named after him in every state.

In the pre-civilization days the sensible choice for any aspiring warlord was to say "God told uz to do it". If Moo-ham-head had never said that his cult of death would of died with him. I'm sure more vicious death cults existed back then run by more secular leaders. Their cults died with their leaders. An ideology of death dies, a religion of death never dies.

hey gimme money why don't you and joe the obot and anonynazi why not kill yourselves first the gene pool would be better off

and the reason why you bring up the holocaust is to beat it over the catholic church's head and to justify your own hatred of the jews

and the reason why you bring up the holocaust is to beat it over the catholic church's head and to justify your own hatred of the jews