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The Bible??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The Bible commands you to stone adulterers and divorcees and homosexuals. The Bible commands you to offer burnt sacrafice? When was the last time you slaughtered an animal for God? The Bible commands you to abstain from pre-marital sex and masturbation, something most of you do here on a daily basis. Gluttony is a sin. The Bible advocates slavery!

Your justification for social and political beliefs comes from an ancient text written by primitive nomadic desert people? Move to Saudi Arabia where you can have a similiar antiquated/evil text to provide you a code to live by. We function on reason and rationality here. Not nonsense.

This may actually be a good thing, Van. At least the rest of the students won't be forced to share space (not to mention toilets and showers) with 'em.

There is a reason that Texas Christian University has been refers to itself as simply TCU. It isn't a Christian university in any sense of the word. It is actually more closed off to Christianity than the public univeristy school that I attended.

the son of a friend of mine went off to university on a full music scholarship last year and was sharing a dorm room with a young man he didn't like very well as he was crass and basically an ass.

about midway through his first semester he went to his room at a time he didn't normally go there - he walked in on his roommate, a young girl, and another guy bending every sexual rule on the books - he was aghast and started hollering at them to cease and desist and telling them he was offended - they laughed at him and asked him to join them.

this kid was brought up in a strong christian family and he gave up dorm living and moved back home and travels over 70 miles a day to go to university.

i suppose this is our new world on "anything goes"?

kathleen makes a very good point.

wooooo mountain west conference

Ah, another anonymous idiot troll who clearly doesn't know jack about Christianity, yet feels he can criticize it.
"The Bible advocates slavery!"
Not really.
Furthermore, as anyone with a decent knowledge of American history would tell you, the evangelical Christian groups were the loudest and most outspoken voices in the abolitionist movement, risking everything they had to get slavery banned. Try watching the movie 'Amazing Grace' to gain an idea of what I'm talking about.

And what if a breeder was to sign up for this housing? Remember, it's against Federal law to discriminate based on sexual orientation...

Will the dorms have rimming stations on every floor?

"Anonymous at April 10, 2009 8:16 AM"

What you claim is advocated and encouraged by ISLAM. Now let's hear you criticise THEM, you cowardly GAY HATER!

PS:
This is clearly SEGREGATION which is RAAACIST!!

Here's a "unique experience" for ya.
Howzabout moral and legal and right living.
Ya know like grandma and grandpa had.
I know things werent as rosy as the movies and such tell you, crime is crime and it will allways be there. I just like the moral standard of the time.
(rimming stations???)
GWAAHAAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAAAAAAA

Posted by: Anonymous at April 10, 2009 8:16 AM

Your references to the Bible may be correct to an extent; HOWEVER, most if not all the points you list are from the Old Testament. The sacrifices were practiced by the Israelites as a purification offering for their sins. Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for everyone's sin, including yours, so animal sacrifice by Christians is not necessary. Orthodox Jews do not a temple built where they can make animal sacrifices, but when they do build one and have it consecrated to do so, look toward the heavens for the 2nd coming of Christ.

Stoning adulterers, homosexuals, and divorcees does not happen anymore, as I'm sure you are well aware of. They are now glamorzied and glorified as a natural way of life do the liberal policy makers and the ACLU.

Abstaining from pre-marital sex is taught in our home and my daughters' high school. I talk to them regularly about the consequences of pre-marital sex so they are aware of what could happen instead of wanting to experiment. Masturbation is also on the list of topics.

Gluttony is a sin - are you guilty of it or just throw an accusation like that in our face, whom you've never met before? Look in the mirror, and when you are free of sin you may "cast the first stone" so to speak. As far as slavery is concerned, the Bible does not condone it and Christian abolutionists (and Republicans) were the ones to help free the black slaves in the USA.

Our country is on a fast-track to extreme hedonism. Once a nation's morals decay, the nation will fall, and the US is not immune to it as long as sin is encouraged and our President delcares we are not a Christian nation.

Joycer at April 10, 2009 1:30 PM

May God Bless you for your courage and truth.

McCormik, there is neither truth nor courage in anything Joyce has to say. In fact, she presents the complete opposite.

love it when christians start taking the bits of the old testament they don't like, dont feel like practicing, etc, and claim it doesn't apply to them. This is wrong. Jesus said clearly that he did not come to revoke the old laws. Why can you accept the ten commandments, yet none of the other commandments offered up in the ot? You are just lazy half assed Christians.

I mention gluttony, because most of you are fat, money grubbing, greedy, consumers. None of you have rejected earthly possessions, or even a meal, to serve your god as instructed to you in the Bible. You're not even real Christians. Just pretenders.

Joycer seems to pine for the days when stoning adulterers and homosexuals was acceptable. Proof that Christians would love to drag us back to the stone age if they had the chance.

Is abstaining from premarital sex taught in your house like in Sarah Palin's house? Good luck with that. you'll probably have 3 grandchildren before you know it., especailly since you are discouraging masturbation as well

The Bible clearly advocates slavery, providing detailed descriptions of how to beat, and treat slaves.

Slavery in America was justified based on the Bible. Those who opposed slavery were labeled by you "conservative Christian" types as heathens.
Segregation was supported by Christians.

The Holocaust in Europe was sold on biblical rhetoric.
South African apartheid was justified based on the Bible.

I can't believe I'm going to respond to Anony-troll, but here I go -

The Bible is clearly divided up into 2 main parts - the Old Testament, before Jesus Christ where hundreds of prophecies about His coming are documented and fullfilled and is also the Book the Jewish faith follow since they don't recognize Jesus as the Son of God; and the New Testament, which is clearly about the life, times and teachings of Jesus Christ and His Second Coming. Jesus told His followers to "Follow me", thus true Christians will abide by the New Testament teachings tho we study the entire Bible. My family and I follow the 10 Commandments given to Moses by God on Mt Sinai, so I'm not sure which other commandments you are referring to when you say we pick and choose. Since we do not practice the Jewish faith, we do not practice animal sacrifice - that is their belief (and, incidentally, they do not currently practice it either due to not having a properly cleansed and consecrated temple).

I find it amusing that you think I "pine" for the old days of stoning. You don't even know me or what I think - you just wrongly assume you know what all people think and believe, which would make you omniscient, which you are not because only God is omniscient. The only thing I pine for is for non-Christians to stop "throwing stones" at Christians for what we believe in. I don't make it a practice to bash others, why should you?

I don't know what kind of teachings about pre-marital sex was/is taught in Sara Palin's home; I only know what I teach and expect from my own children. I do, however, applaud her 18 year old daughter for choosing to have the baby instead of aborting it, which first, breaks a commandment, and second, is the accepting responsibility for your actions. What fault do you find in that? No one is perfect, except for God, and a sign of maturity is owning up to your mistakes and accepting responsibility for your actions. A valuable lesson many of today's young people lack.

Again, you wrongly assume most of us are greedy, gluttonous consumers. And again, it is wrong for you to assume something without absolute hard proof. Look to our president and be angry with him for the "do as I say, not as I do" instead of us.

The Bible does not advocate slavery. Point to specific Scripture to back up your claim. The Bible writes about how slaves were to be treated, and how you were to treat slaves if you had them (which again, is Old Testament). Nowhere in the New Testament does it state how to treat slaves, how to own slaves, how to capture slaves, etc. I follow Jesus Christ, and I do NOT approve of slavery or owning slaves, and those men who did own slaves were not follwing Scripture but their own evil, cruel hearts. Please refer to true history, not liberal-written history, of who the slave owners were and who the slave freedom fighters were. (By the way, the slave freedom fighters won). I'd also like to point out that since my grandparents immigrated -legally I might add and without food stamps and aid from the government- to the US to escape Hitler's regime, I am not part of the white-American-slave owner-descendants so please don't begin to lump me in with them.

Anonymous, I will pray for you whether you want it or not. Jesus said to love your enemies and tho I do not consider you my enemy, I will pray for you that you are released form the hatred you feel towards others. God Bless you and your family on this Easter weekend, and all days.

Joycer, another awesome rebuttal of Anony- troll's asinine, bigoted ramblings. I'm in my second year of seminary to get into ministry, and I couldn't do a better job tearing apart his arguments myself.
However, to add my own rebuttal to it, I must shoot down several of the last few statements Anony- troll made.
First, I would again remind you all that the evangelical Christian groups were the most outspoken anti- slavery advocates.
Second, the comment that Christians supported segregation is pretty stupid. What about all the black Christian churches which demonstrated against segregation, for one thing? Lest you forget, Martin Luther King Jr. was a minister.
Third, only the slightest hints of the Bible were used to justify the Holocaust. Many Christians were also persecuted and killed for either openly condemning the Holocaust (i.e. Dietrich Bonhoeffer), or helping to hide Jews in their houses. What's more, Hitler and much of the rest of the Nazi party were heavily involved in the occult, and had many occultic practices.

"Again, you wrongly assume most of us are greedy, gluttonous consumers."
You must understand, most of the tolerant, sensitive liberals are taught to believe that all conservatives, especially conservative Christians, are all morbidly obese (Since we're not vegans like them, that means we're automatically fat, gross slobs to them), stupid rednecks.
Anony- troll has already shown himself willing to make ridiculous generalizations and jumps to conclusions in a pathetic attempt to slander his opponents (i.e. the completely unfounded and honestly ludicrous accusation he made that you wanted to go back to the days of stoning adulterers), so him making one more baseless insult centered around stereotypes with nothing to back it up is par for the course for him.
I think I will pray for Anon, too, and a happy Easter for everyone tomorrow.

joyce, despite your obvious strong belief in a completely absurd, outdated and primitive belief system, you seem like a nice person, although not especially bright.

Our illustrious host hear cites the Old Testament when condemning homosexuality. If the OT does not apply to Christians, why do they constantly cite it when it suits their purposes, yet disown it when it seemingly contradicts them? I don't see why you think you can have it both ways. The 10 Commandments come fro the OT, so they don't apply to Christians? (Most behave as if they don't)

Anyway i think it's pretty apparent that the NT makes it clear that Jesus did not intend to toss out the old laws (made supposedly by his father, or by extension, made by himself!) (What a bunch of nuttiness!) .

If the old testament teaches how to treat slaves, and if this is the word of god, then i'd say that stands as a pretty clear advocation of slavery. The God of the OT certainly does not oppose nor condemn it. Neither does Jesus. By giving instructions on how to treat slaves, your are in the very least passively tolerating and encouraging it. God has no problem with the concept of slavery.

Also, by calling all slave owners men of "evil and cruel hearts" you are condemning many of the most important founding fathers of our country, who you suppose are rotting in hell for their transgressions. Many of these men identified themselves as devout Christians. I suggest you brush up on your history,

good luck with the prayers.

Anonymous at April 11, 2009 5:54 AM

You are a jerk and a hateful pig.

As a 70 year old heterosexual and chauvinist pig male, I'm kind of looking forward to the islamization of the U.S..

"oldguy at April 11, 2009 7:38 AM"

Sounds like you're a LIBERAL, too.

"Jesus said clearly that he did not come to revoke the old laws."

Stop your cherry-picking. Jesus clearly broke the Levitical laws himself when answering to a higher law (such as charity when he healed on the Sabbath) so stop acting like an idiot. You know nothing about scripture, except how to twist it to suit your perverse needs.

hiya

"Van Helsing" is a bigoted moron! Homosexuality IS NOT depraved! The great renaissance artist Michelangelo was gay. After the death of his lover, the young man named Cecchino dei Bracci, Michelangelo dedicated much poetry to Bracci. An excerpt:

"The flesh now earth, and here my bones,
Bereft of handsome eyes, and jaunty air,
Still loyal are to him I joyed in bed,
Whom I embraced, in whom my soul now lives"

I'm literally weeping at how beautiful that is, Anonymous, its really touched my soul - it completely nullified how depraved stuffing your penis into another mans cavity filled with fecal matter is.

Not really, freak.

Thank you for the compliment, Xantl! I really have an affinity for the classics! (:

Anonymous @ 5:54 AM: try reading the thing you're trying to argue against, it really would help.
Christ says in Matt. 5:17-19 that not one 'jot or tittle' (superscriptions used in Hebrew) shall pass from the Law. You're 100 per cent right there.

Then, for the next two chapters, He quite clearly explains that the Law is a simple approximation of what God wants - a symbolic guide.

Jesus prevents the stoning of an adulterous woman - perfectly legal under God's law, according to your interpretation, in John 8:1-11.

In Matthew 5:28, however, He had said that anyone who even *looks* on a woman with 'lust in [their] heart' is guilty of adultery and punishable under the law.

So, which is it?

He further goes on to break tradition in Matt. 15, break the laws of physics in ch. 16 and 17, and be resurrected from the dead in chapter 28.

In His ministry, Jesus both stated that the law must remain intact, and in numerous instances broke some of its most revered tenets.

Quite a conundrum, no?

Yes anonydousche but us heteros are depraved according to the radical homos who is the bigot here?