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Wouldn't expect anything less from these retards.

This is a race based incentive, strictly forbidden by the constitution. If they pass this, I'm leaving, call me when the revolution starts.

Obama's family from Kenya used to be in the slave trade business. So, does Obama pay?

So when am I going to be reimbersed for the losses that I have incurred due to the Affimative action crap????

this is to ensure the "people of color" vote the next time around?

The real circus starts when people bring up the fact that some of their ancestors may have been slaves, or they are 1/10th part African, etc etc.

I want reparations for my people having been defeated at the Battle of San Jacinto and in the Mexican-American War. I've heard it told by my great-grandfather (rest his soul) that my people just came here to lay concrete and mow yards, but the Texans got all pissy on us and started a war...
Now my people have been oppressed for generations. I want my damned check. I can't get a job in front of Home Depot any more.

My ancesters had nothing to do with slaves. Certainly less than Obama's ancestors did. (Most of my ancestors were very concerned with frozen fish, how to cook with reindeer shit, and reindeer milk and had never even heard of black people.)

Apparently some of them ended up in this country in time to fight in the civil war to free blacks. It is starting to look like that was pretty stupid of them. The whole family has been giving to charity and paying taxes to support them ever since.

My ancestors didn't either. They came after the civil war was won and located up North.
Do I get a reprieve for owning and preserving a home which was part of the underground railroad?

SnowSnake:

You are part of the majority. Less than 5% of current Americans have ancestral trees that include slave owners.

I was adopted, so I only know my adoptive parents' history. My mom's ancestral family did reside in the Florida panhandle, but were not landowers, and therefore could not have owned slaves. My dad's ancestral family did not emigrate to America until the 1880's; they spent the pre-American Civil War years being starved out of existence in southern Ireland.

I do know one person whose great-great-great-grandparents had a medium-sized plantation in Mississippi prior to the Civil War, and owned slaves. By the end of the war, they had lost everything and migrated (on foot) to Texas. The woman I know is a federal attorney, involved in labor litigation; I fail to see how see is culpable for anything her great-great-great-grandparents did.

Hey if there are going to give money to the blacks then I want his people off my Land. See I am Cherokee, so this is great

Obama get out of my country!!!! Take your Liberals with you!!!

Conservatives can stay.

Black crime and victimhood has been an expensive drain on society. Once we calculate the cost of that, it turns out reparations are owed to non-blacks, about $10,000 each.

I would say that they could probably get away with this by the legal precedent of the new Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which does away with the statute of limitations for pay discrimination cases. If there's no statute of limitations, plaintiffs can now go back possibly hundreds of years to people who were discriminated against, getting an unfair wage for work performed.

...to examine slavery and discrimination in the colonies and the United States from 1619 to the present...

Is it worth reminding Rep. Conyers that slavery ended in 1865 with the ratification of the 13th Amendment? Oh, he's not interested? Never mind, then.

I would say that they could probably get away with this by the legal precedent of the new Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which does away with the statute of limitations for pay discrimination cases. If there's no statute of limitations, plaintiffs can now go back possibly hundreds of years to people who were discriminated against, getting an unfair wage for work performed. (Please note...I'm not a lawyer.)

The real circus starts when people bring up the fact that some of their ancestors may have been slaves, or they are 1/10th part African, etc etc.

Ward Churchill, the erstwhile Native American, will need some reparations after his civil suit loss, so we can expect him to find some slave ancestry. And, FWIW, ancestral fractions that don't have a power of 2 in the denominator are a sure sign the claimant is lying.

No way will Obama let this crap go. He is way too smart politically. This would be the overreach of overreaches.

He is content to turn the country socialist and ensure a permanent democrat majority, the people having been enslaved to Uncle Sam.

I never owned any slaves. No one in my family ever owned any slaves. My ancestors came here dirt poor and work their butts off to make a better life for themselves.

I'm Italian American, and I think all Italian Americans should get some of this "reparation" money due to the lynching of Italians in New Orleans.

UNCLE SAM? More like BLACK METROSEXUAL TRANSVESTITE SAM (wearing leather and chains)

Italians were lynched in NOLA? When was this? Just curious.

Uncle Sam is now Uncle Remus.

Well as long as JESSIE JACKASSON and AL SHARKTON are demanding all this reparations poppycoc why dont we demand REPARATIONS FROM ENGLAND FOR THE BOSTON MASSACARE,REPARTIONS FROM GERMANY FOR THE 128 AMERICANS THAT DIED WHEN THE LUSITANIA WAS SUNK,REPARTIONS FROM JAPAN FOR PEARL HARBOR AND THE BATAAN DEATH MARCH,REPARTIONS FROM THE VIETKONG FOR THE HANOI HILTON,REPARTIONS FRON IRAN FOR THE 444 DAYS THE HOSTAGES WERE KEPT THERE

I think that anybody alive today that owned a slave should pay retributions to any living slave that was forced into labor by that person.

If blacks get reparations for slavery, then I demand that French Catholics pay me reparations for my French Huguenot (Protestants living in France at a time when Catholicism was the dominant religion, for those who didn't know) ancestors being tortured and executed for refusing to convert to Catholicism.

I'm sure the black descendants in Africa would be more than happy to chip in considering they sold slaves as well. Anybody? Anybody? Bueller..Bueller..Bueller....

A lot of my countrymen, Irish, went to the US. Fought on both sides in the Civil War. Pioneered. Helped build the country along with persecuted Jews from Russia (I wont go into the long list) But the fact is that they built this great country. And died for it.
So, what about recompense for their sacrifices? What about recompense for war orphans, for orphans of police killed on duty?
Communist Russia wasn't defeated. It collapsed from within. Is the US going the same way?

My ancestors came here dirt poor and work their butts off to make a better life for themselves.

Andrea, American slavery made it possible for immigrants to come here in search of jobs, and, with hard work, to improve their lives and those of their children.

Slavery and the slave trade allowed the American colonies to seek independence from Great Britain, and to industrialize between the Revolution and the Civil War.

Meanwhile, immigrants after the Civil War did not arrive into the lowest rung in society. Even if they were "dirt poor," they had opportunities available to them which were closed to most black families throughout the century following the end of slavery.

My ancestors DID own slaves. Allow me to tell you about them. After the Emancipation proclamation, they were freed. Many left to move North. more stayed on and worked as sharecroppers until Sherman came and burned it all. They rebuilt it and eventually owned the land they worked, while my white ancestors built a gristmill and sawmill in order to stay afloat.
James, I'd like to point out that slavery was the norm IN EVERY NATION ON EARTH at the time.
Every one says that the "evil white man" is responsible for slavery, when in fact it was the norm over ALL the earth,including Africa. One thing they WON'T tell you is that the white man is the ONLY race that has condemned and actively worked to STOP slavery. You don't see that in countries like Liberia, now do you?
as for immigrants arriving after the civil war having more opportunities available to them..you need to do your homework before you start typing.
Many Irish immigrants accepted indentured servitude (i.e. SLAVERY) in order to pay for passage to America. When they got here they found there were no jobs open to the Irish.
The Liberal lefts' idea of revising history to suit their lies and political goals, sadly, does no justice to what actually DID happen in history..and while it's politically expedient for them to do it, it will ultimately ensure that we repeat the mistakes that were made the first time.

This plan will do a world of good for race relations huh?

NOT!!!!!!!

This will simply make the devide greater than ever.

I still don't see how we came to a point where 10% of the population can be tyrannical over 90% of the population. At what point does it tip and the 90% says enough of this?

One would think there would be a time when black leaders would realize that it is like coming across a grizzly bear sleeping in the woods. I don't think the best idea is to poke it in the ass with a stick.

to MST,
it was in March 1891

http://www.niaf.org/milestones/year_1891.asp

I still don't see how we came to a point where 10% of the population can be tyrannical over 90% of the population. At what point does it tip and the 90% says enough of this?

One would think there would be a time when black leaders would realize that it is like coming across a grizzly bear sleeping in the woods. I don't think the best idea is to poke it in the ass with a stick.

Posted by: SnowSnake at March 10, 2009 3:59 PM

Obama got elected by garnering a huge vote from whitey, and I turn on CNN and they still have specials on how bad it is to be black in America. They won't stop until someone punches them directly in the fucking nose. Get your brass knuckles.

Oh boy! I get to RANT!

If this passes, I will apply for reparations because my ancesstor, John Hearn, was sent to Georgia colony as a SLAVE for some minor crime.
My family DID own slaves, but we and the entire SOUTHERN STATES have already PAID "reparations" in the form of SPECIAL TAXES and LOOTING both durring and AFTER "the Civil War". We even lost our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS for several years, Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee were still under indightment for "treason" when they died, waiting for EVIDENCE to be produced.
Isn't that enough punishment for any American?
Our slaves, having no home, or jobs after the war, stayed with us for awhile to help us rebuild and to eran an honest living for themselves. (something the short-sided abolishonists didn't seem to CARE about!)
We apparently treated them so well that the Harn Family name as their own and you can find "black Harns" in north Georgia to this day.

So SCREW YOU, Liberals! Since you feel so guilty about things that happened a hundred years before any of us were born, YOU PAY!

Slavery and the slave trade allowed the American colonies to seek independence from Great Britain, and to industrialize between the Revolution and the Civil War.

Crap. Total crap.

Where to start? First, slavery produced agricultural goods, not manufactured ones. Second, the United States primarily industrialized after the Civil War. Ever hear of the railroad barons, the steel magnates, any of those folks? Stanford, Carnegie, Mellon, Rockefeller, any of those names ring a bell?

Meanwhile, immigrants after the Civil War did not arrive into the lowest rung in society. Even if they were "dirt poor," they had opportunities available to them which were closed to most black families throughout the century following the end of slavery.

Irrelevant to the question of whether present-day American blacks – the majority, the ones descended from slaves, not those descended from slavers, such as Obama – are owed anything, and if so, what.

The answer, obvious to all grownups, is that any such program would be wholly unworkable (who exactly is black, and to what extent?), and totally unjust (“Hi, Norwegian, welcome to America, you owe $X to pay for slavery you had nothing to do with and that ended before you got here”), fundamentally flawed (where is the accounting for the benefits Africans received by virtue of being in America? People go to huge lengths to get here now. Furthermore, where is the accounting for the liabilities that accrue to the Africans’ account: crime, drugs, illiteracy, illegitimacy, urban blight, welfare, enormous prison populations?) and yes, totally racist. It presumes guilt and virtue simply and solely on the basis of race; can’t get much more racist than that.

Moreover, it ignores the central role of Africans in African slavery. You don’t think Europeans went into the disease-infested bush to capture slaves, did you? They bought slaves, from other Africans. The biggest impediment to abolition of the slave trade was African chieftains, who made a fortune selling slaves. (Hugh Thomas, in his book The Slave Trade, mentions that some African chieftains were making 250,000 pounds sterling p.a. from the slave trade at a time when the wealthiest British noble made 12,000 pounds sterling p.a. from his estates.) African chieftains couldn’t understand why the British wanted to end the slave trade; they got rid of criminals and other pains in the ass in their own tribes, and their enemies in adjacent tribes, and turned a pretty penny doing it. It’d be like someone offering us $1 MM for each inmate of San Quentin and Gitmo. Whoohoo!

That is the true history of slavery. But don’t hold your breath until that is taught. It would be inconvenient to the purveyors of agitprop.

Looked into my history. Sotch Irish French. Most of my tree were probally farmers or miners. Most likely came after the civil war. I owe you jack crap, blacks!

I think any reperations should go to those of slavic decent, afterall, that is where the word slave originated. I would like to put in a plug for my novel "Except by Nature's Plan" which is available here: http://booksbydarrelmulloy.blogspot.com/2009/03/except-by-natures-plan.html

It deals in part with the subject matter in this forum

What have the trolls to say on this? They are usually so vocal...

Towerclimber, it's certainly true that slavery has been a common condition throughout human history. As for "doing my homework," however, indentured servitude was nothing like chattel slavery -- and Irish immigrants to this country faced nothing like the brutality and discrimination which freed black slaves and their descendants endured.

KHarn, we probably don't agree about much. But you're right that the South paid dearly for slavery ... while the North benefited tremendously from slavery (and still does), yet didn't pay the same price. The issue is that those "reparations" the South paid were to the North, not to slaves or their descendants.

Jay, with all due respect, your response to me is way off base. First, slavery did produce agricultural goods, but it was the profits from slavery and the slave trade, plus a vast supply of cheap, slave-produced cotton, which fueled the industrialization of the North via cotton textile mills. Second, the U.S. industrialized before the Civil War, not afterward; that's a key reason why the North won, in fact, and economic historians agree that our economic development after the Civil War was dependent upon the foundations laid before the war.

Third, I agree with you that the sort of reparations program you describe would be unworkable, and even racist if they did presume guilt or singled people out based solely on race. But I think we need to start by acknowledging what you call "irrelevant," which is that almost all white families in this country have benefited over the generations in ways that black families haven't. I mentioned how much easier it was to be a white, European immigrant than a black citizen; I could also have mentioned the massive federal aid programs of the 20th century which were limited to whites and which built the American middle class, with aid for homeownership, education, jobs, and small business loans. If you recognize this history, but simply say there's no practical, fair way to do anything about it, then I can respect that.

You're quite right, too, Jay, about the African role in the slave trade. I'm just not sure what this is supposed to say about the responsibility of our society for what it did, and the ways in which we still benefit from that history.

If they're so up in arms about slavery why don't they take their asses over to mother Africa where it's still going strong today.Oh yeah I forgot,there's no money in it.

I am for reparations. I believe they should be compensated for what they endured.

Any black living in America today that can prove they were a slave gets a little payback. If they can't prove they were a slave, they get nothing. That should put a quick end to this foolishness.

The reparations legislation in Congress, IllinoisConservative, isn't to compensate people for being slaves--or for their ancestors being slaves, either.

It's to compensate them for the effects of slavery and discrimination on their lives today. It may not be a wise idea, but the problem it addresses is real, not foolishness.

You people are typical raciest. Scared of what might happen, if the black or African American people who actually help shape the nature and power of this nation are given reparation for pass discrimination. Look at it from this point, for all other races of America that have been here from the start of it all, they were put into shame and left with out any roots or family tree to build on, but still with stood all.

For your information there are more white American families on welfare then any other race. Welfare wasn’t built for the minorities of America but for America. You all sound like a bunch of raciest idiot’s who get off posting these ridiculous post to make yourself feel “ White Power” well I got one for you “America” I’m what you all call African American and I don’t want nothing given to me for pass discrimination but for current. When you a black man in corporate American you have to change the person inside to be accepted but why? You all don t have to do it why should we. I guess for the dummy who posted get out my country I’m Cherokee, earth to your ignorant ass Didn’t the white man take your country and don’t the American Indian get all types of reparation ? Do answer you probably cant your probably 99 percent white.

So to this post your all need to be put in black skin and taken back to the slavery times and see what you would want. Lastly any white American family that struggles in today’s time, need to be ashamed because only you was given the opportunity to make a legacy of your family in this country and if 500 years isn’t long enough why don’t you leave this country.