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VH are you actually putting some credence in the idea that there is a connection between his being in a civil partnership and he is an alleged violent sex offender guilty of what he is charged with?

That is spurious beyond belief. Irresponsible, totally not supported by the article, nor by your quotes.

Why don't you just blame religion for priest pederasts then? Why don't you blame America for every pederast in it? Why post this except to totally malign civil partnerships without so much as a shred of credible evidence.

I would consider it a strong suggestion that the poster just has hate for homosexuals, unrelated to whether they are violent criminals or not.

Blame republicanism for its pedophiles? Blame congress for congressional pages that get hit on by congressmen? I could go on. This site seems hateful to me. I only sense hate, no reason with this post.

Introduce him to a rope a tree with good stout branches and a horse and invite him to be the main guest of a neck-tie party

Go peddle it somewhere else, cave. This crime had everything to do with the perversion of homosexuality, which not coincidentally, is also disproportionately connected to the perversion of pederasty. The same dynamics occurred in the Catholic Church when homosexual priests infiltrated the ranks of the seminaries. There is a reason the Church has rules about homosexuals not being priests, and their tendency toward pederasty is one of them.

Of course Anonymous is right (that guy really gets around doesn't he?). Everyone knows that heterosexual pedophilia does not exist.

It doesn't matter what else someone does or is, if they attack society by assaulting societies' most precious component (children) then that individual forfiets the right to live in that society. Like Stonewall Jackson said, "Kill em, kill em all."

It's possible this guy isn't going to survive prison.

Helsing, this demonstrates the same bigotry that is demonstrated here day in and day out. Cave makes valid points, the crime here has nothing to do with the man's sexuality. In research done in the last 30+ plus, individuals serving time for pedophilia were evaluated and out the result was that a child's risk of sexual molestation by a gay or lesbian was between zero and 3.1%. In other studies, like that of Focus on the Family, which shows no scientific data contradicts the studies of National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System, which federally funded and endorsed by sexual behavioral doctors worldwide. In addition, while I am sure James Dobson's science of "showering with your son to prevent him from being gay" is up your alley of proper behavior. This post was a stretch of the imagination to please your "homophobic" readers. Further, in states where gay marriage and civil unions are recognized, the rate of divorce is lower than in states that do not allow it. Posting garbage like this further proves the argument that Conservatives are bigoted, insecure and afraid. I find it comical that you post these things in order to criticize Democrats and Liberals, yet it is Priests and Conservatives who's own infidelities out rank those that want you to Focus on your own damn family!

typo alert, I meant to type "30+years"

Helsing, this demonstrates the same bigotry that is demonstrated here day in and day out. Cave makes valid points, the crime here has nothing to do with the man's sexuality. In research done in the last 30+ plus, individuals serving time for pedophilia were evaluated and out the result was that a child's risk of sexual molestation by a gay or lesbian was between zero and 3.1%.

Seriously? That's your argument? A gay man rapes a 12-year old boy and it has nothing to do with his sexuality? And your support for this argument is some vague, uncited "scientific study" which was intended to evaluate children's overall risk of being molested by a homosexual? That's an epic failure right there.

Guess what! I saw this one study that was done in the last 5+ years that said the chance was well over 15%! That's a risk I'm just not willing to take, Anon!

In other studies, like that of Focus on the Family, which shows no scientific data contradicts the studies of National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System, which federally funded and endorsed by sexual behavioral doctors worldwide. In addition, while I am sure James Dobson's science of "showering with your son to prevent him from being gay" is up your alley of proper behavior.

Words, words, words, and nothing you said here either makes a coherent point or contradicts anything you're arguing against. But, speaking of up your alley...

This post was a stretch of the imagination to please your "homophobic" readers. Further, in states where gay marriage and civil unions are recognized, the rate of divorce is lower than in states that do not allow it.

You're kidding right? First of all, show us some stats. Secondly, what does that have to do at all with homosexual propensity towards child molestation? I'll take the trade off of a few more divorces (assuming your baseless assertion is even true, for the moment) if that means fewer children being raped, wouldn't you?

Posting garbage like this further proves the argument that Conservatives are bigoted, insecure and afraid. I find it comical that you post these things in order to criticize Democrats and Liberals, yet it is Priests and Conservatives who's own infidelities out rank those that want you to Focus on your own damn family!

No, it's homosexuals committing this acts. It's liberals like you who want to whitewash them and sweep them under the rug in the name of tolerance. Sorry anon, I don't tolerate child molestation as well as you apparently do.

'are you actually putting some credence in the idea that there is a connection between his being in a civil partnership'

Seems to me he raped a young boy mostly because he's a fucking queer. Whether he had a civil partner or not doesn't matter.
Fling all the nuanced BS around all you like, this guy belongs in the Angola State Prison Farm where he'll last about an hour.

"This site seems hateful to me. I only sense hate,"

There, there. You poor, poor dear.

I hardly have any room in my society or others for child molesters. I would likely be a greater threat to their survival than anyone else. That said, I am not ready to point to one's sexual preference and a certain community in a bigoted manner. Cave made a point, that while Priests in Catholic Churches get a pass in general, many are quick to blame the gay community. I suggest you read the studies done by the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System. As for Dobson's crap, here is a Dobson quote

...the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger."

And this stuff is relevant when criticizing the gay marriage and civil unions. When talking points used here resemble those of the far-right, promoted those closeted Republican house member and Christian conservatives.

My serious question to many of you, what is it of the gay community that scares you so much? We all fear for the safety of our own and others children, but we cannot mask that fear with bigotry, and hatred as that teaches our children nothing in the 21st century.

Cave made a point, that while Priests in Catholic Churches get a pass in general, many are quick to blame the gay community.

If many are quick to blame anyone or anything for homosexual priests, then they're not receiving "a pass in general," are they? No, we place blame where it rightfully belongs, on the homosexual who molested a child.

As for your quote from Dobson, I don't see how it's relevant to the subject, even if you see right-wing talking points at work here. It's still a non sequitur. Still, do you actually have a problem with his advice?

My serious question to many of you, what is it of the gay community that scares you so much? We all fear for the safety of our own and others children, but we cannot mask that fear with bigotry, and hatred as that teaches our children nothing in the 21st century.

Are you referring to this gay community? And why do you assume we're scared? I know you're desperate to make anyone who disagrees with you on this point out to be a raging homophobic cousin-lover from Alabama, but it just ain't true. While I have no fear of homosexuals, the effects of accepting their perversion by society at large is frightening, as this article so aptly illustrates.

"My serious question to many of you, what is it of the gay community that scares you so much?"

Not scared, just disgusted--unless, of course, they engage in pedophilia and pederasty, then outraged and downright murderous.

Homosexuals males ARE more likely to abuse boys than heterosexuals. It's a fact, Jack.

According to research done by Eugene Abel, homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"

His research also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters [whose targets were male] admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender," and that on average male homosexual abusers abused 150.2 boys versus 19.8 girl victims for heterosexual abusers.

I think Cave Ahhht was probably molested by his speech therapist in the Young Pioneers. No one ever called the police because none of the school office ladies could figure out what "I was hhhhaped" meant.

I hate faggots, but I let them live life as they choose, unless they cross the line, then they should fry in the chair just like any other, NORMAL person.

The ruination of the Catholic Church is the scandal of the homosexual and pedophile priests. They were tolerated in seminaries with the foreseeable result!
If only homosexuals can be recruited for the priesthood, better to close the place up than have a bunch of flaming faggots calling themselves religious.
Heterosexual marraige being permitted has nothing to do with it. They're queer! They don't want to marry a woman. What's so f'n hard to understand?
Throw them out! Period.

What's problematic, speaking a refugee from the gay community, is that there is an unwillingess among gays to judge any sexual behavior as wrong. This permits an awful lot of creepiness and sleaziness to sink in. Take a look at Zombie's pics from the Folsom Street Fair. (But not during lunch!)

It's not that all gays are pedophiles, it's that too many gays have the attitude: "So what if he likes little boys. If I judged him for it, I'd be no better than a Christian homophobe."

The reason NAMBLA is excluded from Gay Pride parades is strictly because of public relations, not because there's any moral outrage about them.

In research done in the last 30+ plus, individuals serving time for pedophilia were evaluated and out the result was that a child's risk of sexual molestation by a gay or lesbian was between zero and 3.1%.

Zero? ZERO?? WTF??? Who supported this “research,” the John Wayne Gacy Foundation, the Jeffrey Dahmer Memorial Fund, or the Wayne Williams Trust? Just for openers, what about all the priests buggering boys? What about the mayor of Portland buggering an underage intern? Did none of this happen?

That “research” is horseshit, obviously (pardon the French). Best guess is that they “defined away” the problem, by suitably defining “gay” (by which I presume they mean homosexual) and/or “pedophilia” to preclude most overlap between the groups, and thereby to advance the homosexual agenda. (For example, homosexuals now try desperately to distinguish homosexuality from pedophilia by saying that a man who molests a young boy is a pedophile, not a homosexual, when in fact he is, by definition, both. Anyone who has sex with someone of the same sex, regardless of age, is homosexual. Period.)

(In this connection, note a recent study that claimed “1 in 50” children were homeless. Then read their criteria for “homelessness,” which included practically anyone who spent a night under another’s roof in the previous year. It’s of a piece with the feminist-inspired “research” that claims that some ridiculous proportion of women – such as half – have been raped. Obvious nonsense.)

Furthermore, the very word “pederasty, ” which is not of recent origin, refers to men buggering teenaged boys. If something is sufficiently common to warrant coining a word for it, take the hint.

Sheesh.

In addition, while I am sure James Dobson's science of "showering with your son to prevent him from being gay" is up your alley of proper behavior.

So now homosexual kind of crap is improper behavior? I agree, but you need to make up your mind. You’re like liberals who rail against homophobia until a Republican is identified as queer, then jumping and down about how the Republican Party is full of perverts.

But let’s get down to the point: would you let your young teenaged son hang out in private with someone you knew to be homosexual? (And yes, I know some normal men molest girls, so save it.) Would you? I know that not every homosexual is a pederast, but the odds regarding any given one are uncomfortably high. Not every homosexual has AIDS, either, but would you give one mouth-to-mouth CPR? Unconscionable risk, yes? That’s the point.

Props to cowlove and Anonymous 9:15 for taking up the cudgels here. This kind of thing really irritates me.

I can't figure out what the trolls get out of posting here. They don't make any headway and they just keep posting. They claim it's because they find us hilarious or disturbing, but it's really not even doing anything. Most of us see the troll name and just skip the comment. Want to see what kind of wholesome, moral people homosexuals are? Take a look at Zombietime's Fulsom Street Fair report. It'll make you gag if you have any decency about you.

"So now homosexual kind of crap is improper behavior? I agree, but you need to make up your mind. You’re like liberals who rail against homophobia until a Republican is identified as queer, then jumping and down about how the Republican Party is full of perverts."

Give me a break! If you think closeted Republicans are attacked for being gay, you are mistaken.They are ridiculed for their hypocrisy, so get it straight. Most of you and I can agree, which I already stated, our children must be protected from child predators and pederasts, however, we can do so without threatening members of our community. I do not argue that the aforementioned tried and convicted individuals were dangerous, but to generalize citizens for the actions of a small handful is shallow and serving the purpose of a metaphorical witch hunt.

As for scientific proof that there is a gay gene, and it results in pedophilia is up for debate. Scientists worldwide have agreed in monumental numbers that there is no proof. Propaganda that that is spewed by extremes of both sides demean the argument. Whether it an argument from FOF or Center for American Progress.

ELBA II or perhaps the SPICEMINES OF KESSEL would be a better place for this reptile

If you think closeted Republicans are attacked for being gay, you are mistaken.They are ridiculed for their hypocrisy, so get it straight.

Not true. Simply not true at all, but a nice try to draw a specious distinction. They’re vilified as “perverts,” “queers,” and “fags,” which of course they are. Simply Google “Republican Party perverts” and watch your CPU blow up with links to liberal sites. They also fold in “hypocrite,” but liberals make pretty clear the contempt in which they hold our shirtlifting friends.

Most of you and I can agree, which I already stated, our children must be protected from child predators and pederasts, however, we can do so without threatening members of our community.

Criminal sanction is a threat, yes? You started out defending the indefensible: namely, the homosexual rape of a young boy. Now you agree with us that this is unconscionable, but talk about “threatening members of our community.” Which is it? Homosexual behavior undermines the basis of society, just as drug use does, and both should be discouraged.

As for scientific proof that there is a gay gene, and it results in pedophilia is up for debate.

Irrelevant. You’re speaking to the etiology of the pathology; we’re speaking to the existence of the pathology, which you initially denied. Homosexual men are disproportionately likely to molest boys. Fact. Why this is so is beside the point. Homosexuality is something that should be tolerated, but discouraged insofar as possible. Holding it up as a perfectly valid and normal lifestyle does not discourage it – quite the contrary. That’s the problem.

A "gay" gene. Jordache, Levis, Carhart? Oh you mean the gay "choice" that some people make. Got it.

...but liberals make pretty clear the contempt in which they hold our shirtlifting friends.

For further evidence see, "Voting results on Proposition 8."

It comes down to this: homosexuals want homosexuality to be accepted as perfectly normal, valid, and acceptable, and it ain't gonna happen. Even their fellow liberals, who support the idea in the abstract, have qualms about it in reality, or when it touches their lives personally. (How many liberals want Junior to become a hairdresser or interior decorator? Not many, I'll wager.)

They just should settle for not being picked on - which they shouldn't be - and keeping a low profile. Most people are willing to pretend that such behavior doesn't exist, and go on from there. But agitating for broader acceptance is a non-starter.

They actually want it to be more than perfectly normal, valid, and acceptable. A subtle homosexual couple is about as rare as a snowstorm on the Sun.

http://rikijo.blogspot.com/

These guys hack into Nambla's site and intercept emails from child molesters.

This all seems fairly pointless. This man molested a child and should be jailed for a very, very long time. Trying to draw a line between this and his civil partnership is specious and false. Keep on yelling about this, keep using words like 'faggot' and 'queer', and keep watching the country, indeed the world, move away from its hatred. Prop 8 went down but saw a 12% shift in just a few years. It'll pas eventually, and New England is already well on the way, with Vermont about to legalize gay marriage. Soon, you and you're ilk will be forgotten, just like the bigots and racists who railed against civil rights are consigned to the dustbin of history. It must be sad to know, as I'm sure you all must do, deep down, that you are losing this fight.

I like teh cock so you haters can all FOAD.

And NAMBLA never hurt ANYONE!

Posted by: Ben at March 26, 2009 5:45 PM

Keep thinking that, you deviant perverted piece of filth.

You just keep thinking that.

Ah, Ben, but we've yet to deploy our secret weapon: ally with PETA to protect HIV as an oppressed species. After all, viruses have a right to live too, right?

Ben, not all of us are calling homosexuals "faggots and queers." I for one feel that homosexuals are men who have been twisted by sin into a life of confusion and pain. I have all the compassion in the world for them as my Savior has instructed me to do.

You should know that trolls often post on conservative sites and try to give detractors such as yourself juicy tid bits to nibble upon. Now Shooter... Shooter's a mean-spirited, backwards, racist bigot-- he only watches his mouth because VH has graciously removed some of his more venomous comments in the past. No arguing that point. The man clearly needs Jesus in his life.

Ben I can't imagine that arrogance and utter stupidity it must take to compare a handful of perverts agitating to redefine a religious institution to the struggle of blacks during the Civil Rights movement.

And seriously, if you couldn't get your "base" to vote for you in California, of all places, please save your vague promises of "winning" anything in the near future. You may find that if you can't get your most flamboyant members to calm down, your support from normal folks (even liberals) may end up disappearing faster than a gerbil at a gay bar during happy hour.

I usually enjoy the posts on your site, but this one seems pretty illogical. We all know there are plenty of straight child molesters rapists, and killers as well.

You've missed the point. The point was not the existence of child molesters, but rather the incidence. Given that homosexuals account for approximately 1% of the population, they account for a disproportionate amount of molestation of minors; in fact to the extent that a word, "pederasty," was coined specifically to refer to it.

That was the point.

If Jay or some of the rest of you think gay males commit more sexual assault than other people, I'll gladly go look at the source of your info.

In fact, I would consider it irresponsible and hateful to make such an assertion without some convincing data to support it.

I mean really. If you think its important, why don't we just look at the research that backs up what you say? .................

If that was the point Jay then some statistics should be provided.

I think the largest group of sexual offenders against children are probably family members, judging from the people I know who have been molested.

I think the largest group of sexual offenders against children are probably family members, judging from the people I know who have been molested.

Speaking of statistics...

In any case, let me accept that assertion for the sake of argument. What should we do about it? Ban families? Besides which, you're talking absolute numbers of molesters, I'm talking about relative risk. Considering how few homosexuals there are, they account for a wildly disproportionate fraction of molesters.

Your argument is analogous to saying that golden retrievers account for more bites than Presa Canarios (the dogs that killed that woman in SF). That's true, but it's because there are probably 10,000 golden retrievers for every Presa Canario. On a relative risk basis - i.e., risk normalized for population - Presa Canarios pose a lot larger threat than golden retrievers.

Make sense?

"And NAMBLA never hurt ANYONE!"

You are either an idiot or a liar. I'll go with liar.

As for FOAD...after you.

I understand conditional probability. I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, like I said I enjoy this site, just seems this post was a little irrational.

Fair enough.

The nexus between the civil partnership and the molestation is non-existent, I agree. The only connection, and it is tenuous, is that those arguing for homosexual marriage hold them out as just like everyone else, while that is clearly not true.