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David Ogden Stiers - Charles Emerson Winchester III from M*A*S*H* would have been a better choice than this clown. Who will be his secretary? Air Force Amy? He cant have Monica, shes all mine.

Ogden's comment about the psychological effects of adoption or raising a child is revealing: when a pregnancy occurs, the goal is to avoid distress at the cost of human life.

These little Gestapo snakes just ooze slime, a prefect fit for Obama...Just looking at his picture makes you want to wash your hands.

are there any levels too low for this admin to stoop?

EVERYBODY LIMBO!

Please tell me he's not trying to check out Reno's rack!

Hey, Davey, you're looking too high! They're down around her waist!

That guy's a kiddie pron scandal waiting to happen.

This nightmare since 11/6 keeps getting more and more surreal.
Barfbag, too funny.
Ted, going to wash up right now. He looks like something out of a parents' basement who just put a tie on. Those abortion comments of his were freakin chilling!

Love the photo. "Pat" introducing "Pat".

Is he standing in a ditch?

My grandma's look better than her. One's dead and the other is in her 60's. Hey-oh!

Looks like Janet's long-lost progeny. Are you sure they aren't related?

I believe he's thinking."I can't wait to see you in that new red teddy I bought for you baby".

I believe he's thinking."I can't wait to see you in that new red teddy I bought for you baby, gee I hope she shaves her legs this time".

janet reno AND porn in the same post - LMBFTO!

OBAMASES THE STINKER WILL SURROUND HIMSELF WITH CHOSEN MEMBERS OF THE LEGION OF DOOM

Since Iowahawk did it, The Peoples Cube has few proverbs. Since Janet Reno's picture is here, there is one for her.

Every Man has a Right to the Left (and other neo-proverbs)

Having a tough day? Try changing your gender.
(Janet Reno's proverb)

If your wife isn't talking to you in the morning, last night's party must have been a success!
(Clinton family proverb)

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2896

Why is Janet Reno holding a press conference with her paper boy?

Could the reason BO keeps appointing sleezy people be that that is the only kind people he knows?

"He has sued the government to force taxpayers to finance a Braille version of Playboy."

People actually read Playboy?

Janet "of the Apes" Reno.

'nuf said.......

The O man. Sinking to expectations.

He may also be thinking. "Boy I sure hope she invites Nancy Pelosi over and makes me wear my Robin underroos,it's threesome time" !!!.

lol@conservatives.

republicans are the plurality of playboy subscribers

republicans are the plurality of playboy subscribers

And Democrats are the plurality of Advocate subscribers.

Or is that good, in your eyes?

"Like most moonbats, Ogden is a big fan of abortion."

This post is so full of HATE!

Do you all realize how distasteful that makes your views on abortion seem? This assertion that a week old fetus is an independent life is fine for you to believe in, but then I would expect you to be holding funerals for even miscarriages about 24/7. Why don't you go pray for those souls because i will never do so.

Fetuses miscarry AND NOBODY EVEN KNOWS THEY WERE THERE. Ask your priest/pastor about those, because I prefer science and rationality to your belief systems.

Fine ahht, for someone so concerned about how hateful we are, your post was loaded with a healthy dose of vitriol.

[Fetuses miscarry AND NOBODY EVEN KNOWS THEY WERE THERE. Ask your priest/pastor about those, because I prefer science and rationality to your belief systems.]

You're a willful idiot.

Miscarriages and abortions caused by the body rejecting a fetus is completely different thing than someone PURPOSEFULLY murdering their unborn child because they 'made a mistake'.

Apples and oranges.

Why is Janet Reno holding a press conference with Stephen Colbert?

I fail to see it Anonymous. I was referring to "this post" I was not describing anything/anyone else. Even if you could make the case my post was hateful, how could it be anywhere NEAR what was included in the post that started this thread.

SK, I never equated those two, not by a long shot, except to ask why YOU think they are different. I'm not talking about late gestation abortions, I didn't reference anybody who "made a mistake".

When does the soul enter the fetus? does it not then require a funeral? Why would you consider it MURDER? Its like if you shot me for holding certain contrary views, it would be equal to aborting a fetus 2 days old.

Realize people are alienated by these religious views. We can be tolerant of you holding them, but call us murderers, not the tolerance ends there. Expect to be ignored.

No I have NEVER been responsible for an abortion! I am not excusing anybody's actions here, I am saying calling it murder makes no sense. Making abortion illegal makes no sense. Abstinence only training and education for youth makes no sense. Religion makes no sense in government, I would never attempt to legislate my own atheism, what a hateful practice that would be! But i do advocate separation of church and state.

I would never attempt to legislate my own atheism, what a hateful practice that would be! But i do advocate separation of church and state.

Yet that is precisely what you would be doing with your views. You would be legislating your atheistic beliefs.

When does the soul enter the fetus? does it not then require a funeral? Why would you consider it MURDER?

This is not a theological/religious/metaphysical debate for me. This is a matter of common sense and of what is right and what is wrong. A fetus is a human being and the termination of that life is murder. I know that liberals enjoy a life filled with moral relativism and situational ethics.

When the body aborts a fetus that is not something that the mother or father have any control over. If medical professionals, if they are aware of it, cannot save the child then no one is to blame in such a situation.

What you are trying to do is equate that situation with someone who knows that they are pregnant, tries to spark a miscarriage or has an abortion. That is a willed act. The termination of a human life.

If being pregnant in the first place is not a big deal then why not carry the child to term? Why not care for the child as best you can? Or give the child up for adoption? Is murder that much more preferable to life?

As for the mother and father, they have made their choices when they decided to lay down together and copulate.

A dead child is one the end of results of your 'if it feels good, do it' liberal philosophy.

There are some people that do have funerals for miscarried children. People who have abortions are not normally emotionally invested in the life of their child and, I would imagine, want to put the whole horrible event out of their mind. They are ashamed of what they have done to their child and of their lack of irresponsibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whgJnLpATmI
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/apr/19/abortion-funeral-procession-set/
http://tinyurl.com/bu3shr

Although I am sure that there are many people, like you, who have not sympathy for the unborn who barely blink at the prospect and the act of murdering a child. Which is very 'big' of you since your mother and father never chose to have you aborted and you're here to lobby for other children's termination on the slightest whim.

Even if you could make the case my post was hateful, how could it be anywhere NEAR what was included in the post that started this thread.

More situational ethics and moral relativism.

What you call hate, many moral and ethical individuals call truth. We are not the minority in this nation. You are. You have just been given a bigger microphone by the liberal media.

Keep that in mind.

Was meant to say:

They are ashamed of what they have done to their child and of their lack of responsibility.

'fine ahht' is yet another person who does not know the difference between a religious belief and a moral position.

That a human life begins when the sperm fertilizes an egg is an accepted scientific fact. That to willfully terminate this human life is wrong is a moral position, not a religious belief. It is true that one’s religious beliefs can and do inform one’s moral position; however, there nothing unconstitutional about one’s religious beliefs informing one’s moral positions, as to prevent such a thing would be nigh impossible. Everyone has religious beliefs - atheism is a religious belief, even "I don’t give a fig about religion" is a religious belief – and these beliefs shape our individual moral outlook whether we acknowledge that fact or not.

'fine ahht' may reply that those who oppose abortion "don't have the right to impose their morality on everyone!" This would not hold up under scrutiny. Saying that abortion is not murder is take the moral position that terminating a fetus is not wrong or not as wrong as terminating the life of a post-natal person. To say that "it is up for each person to decide" to what degree, if any, is to take the moral position that terminating a fetus is not inherently wrong. Therefore, "You can’t enforce your values/morals on everyone else!" amounts to the statement "You can’t enforce your values/morals on everyone else while I’m trying to enforce my values/morals on everyone else!" This statement is either intellectually dishonest or hypocritical, depending on whether one could actually believe such a thing.

Nice,
but none of you answered my questions.
If willful miscarriage is murder, do you support murder charges against the mother?

There is no scientific fact about life beginning at conception. There is both life through the entire process and a new life wholly dependent on the mother.

Why do YOU, yes I mean you geronimorumplestiltskin and SK not hold funerals for the misscarried babies of ALL women? If there was a soul, a full human being, do they not deserve a funeral?

You would take this into philosphical ground with issues like truth and what is right. Why should I honor what YOU think is truth and right?

The point is that I don't and won't. Now where do we go from here? You seem to say you are sticking to your guns, but then you did not answer my questions above.

Science is where I am informed, I will not really be getting my science from the church thank you very much, but sorry.

Defend your belief! If you think it is murder then go out and try and convince people to not have abortions, but call me a moonbat and a murderer and I think you shoot your whole moral case in the foot. I am not a murderer. If you think I am confused, I'm sorry to say you are not doing a very good job of showing that. If you think you have a greater truth, that you know what is right and wrong better than I, then show me the evidence. EVIDENCE is what informs me, I am pretty much agnostic but I feel that atheism is more honest a characterization. I deny the holy spirit and all monotheism because the evidence tells me it is a myth created by men. I am quite free from the sin of abortion, and I also do not support the war in Iraq, so I feel that my moral position here is valid.

Stike me down already you impotent Gods!

What you don't seem to realize is that I am willing to stand with you and call out the democrats and the republicans when they err, even though you think I give support to murderers. Let your gods decide on my fate, we have a country to get back on track and this issue of murder is not likely to be resolved between men. We need to stand together, but it has to be on common ground. Is there ANY common ground we share? Or are you going to just project all kinds of moral relativism onto my position? Why be prejudiced about my moral position? You have no idea about me, ADMIT IT. Only my words. I have offered you NO HATE, just the expression that I do not believe what you believe, my truth is different from your truth.

I'll be waiting. . . .for that evidence that is. . . .

"There is no scientific fact about life beginning at conception."

If life has not begun at conception, then how does it grow?

As for people having funerals for miscarried babies, it is pretty much a personal choice thing. Most families deal with it in their own private way. The lack of a funeral after a miscarriage does not imply any sort of callousness (sp.?) (unlike aborting an unborn baby, simply because it would be inconvenient or embarassing to someone).

Just curious.

Another thing, I am getting sick of this lib notion that atheists have a monopoly on "free thought" and science acumen.

Yes, sometimes science issues get co-opted by Christian zealots, but most Christians are not zealots, though we realize that there are moral and ethical "guardrails" (or perhaps boundaries) and as long as we realize this, we are free to engage our scientific minds and arrive at our own interpretations.

And before any "broadbrushing occurs", not every Christian believes the Earth is only 10,000 years old. Though we could be wrong, some of us believe that God does not have a calendar, i.e., time doesn't matter. And that evolution may occur "with a guiding hand" over time.

Not a bad response at all on-the-rocks!

I doubt I am broad brushing you, but please understand I only have what people write here to go on. I cannot assume much, so if it appears that I have, I apologize for that. I never referenced the age of the earth. I'm telling you my current belief says religions are created by men, that gods are created by men. Evidence to the contrary is welcomed.

One thing I think you miss, you can hold a funeral, or pray for a soul, that has no relation to you. Just because it is not yours, does not mean you cannot hold a funeral for it, nor pray for it.

on-the-rocks
as far as i can answer your question, life only ends. The beginning of life is still obscure to me. When does a NEW life begin, I don't know really. There is a long process where there is intense dependence on the mother for survival. The mother's already independent life is quite wrapped up in the process of a new independent human life beginning and I do not have a developmental event to mark it.

Your excuses to attack Mr. Ogden and Eric Holder are disingenuous. Perhaps the right-wing has united with George Soros' left-wing to defend the right to launder dope money. Also, Eric Holder is well known for cracking down on Marijuana in Washington DC in the late 1990s. That included having a law pass for 5-years in the clink for selling lots of pot.

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