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"have a place in the scared space of a classroom
i guess their brand of humaistic-enviro-socialist religion is ok to have in their "sacred" classrooms of higher learning. no wonder that the universities and collages are just training ground for the elitists and left.

what comes after they rip down all the crucifixes at Boston College? Do they replace "touchdown Jesus" at Notre Dame in South Bend with an image of Allah?

This is sad.

The Jesuits built Boston College, and they run it. As for the instructo who said, "I would not and most definitely will not" teach in a classroom with a crucifix, there are other , secular universities all over the country, Harvard being within an easy walking distance.

So, they are offended of crucifixes in a catholic university? Why teach there in the first place?

I'm actually surprised the Catholics would allow a crucifix in there. Pope John Paul II feared GW Bush as the antichrist, citing "his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs" as one of "the hallmarks of [...] the anti-Christ."

If commitment to Christian beliefs makes one a candidate for being the antichrist, this guy is definitely not the antichrist.

What the F..........

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Anonymous, you are full of it. Catholic New Times, the now defunct publication that you reference in your absurd claims about the Pope has this in its bio-

"Fr. Gregory Baum, Catholic New Times quickly found its place in the vanguard of Canadian Catholics intent upon overturning Catholic moral teachings, especially in the area of sexuality and the celibate priesthood. Its editors, writers and supporters over the 30 years of publication have included a who's who of Catholic dissent in Canada, including former priests and nuns, educators, proponents of same-sex "marriage" and women's ordination, radical feminists, and eco-spiritualists."

In other words, CNT was founded and written by a bunch of liars and miscreants, so go peddle their tripe elsewhere.

I am in a Catholic University currently, and it is filled with demented people who claim to be "Catholic"/ "Christian".

In fact, with their Feminist Theology, Green Theology, Liberation Theology, " Social Justice"....and their open homosexuality( lesbian "catholic" profs, Priests who say "there is no such thing as evil...only a lack of Knowledge", and with most students admitting they do not believe Jesus was raised from the dead, born of a Virgin, etc etc....they do not believe He is God.
You can see how these "Catholics" thought voting for a pro abortion "Christian" like Obama was just fine.

I cannot tell you how sick I really think Catholic Social teaching is, and of course all these "victim " theologies just compound the problem.

Catholic Social teaching isn't sick. What those heterodox Catholics are teaching is sick. There is a big difference.

The fact is that nothing you referenced remotely sounds like authentic Catholic teachings, rather, they are all things that authentic Catholic teaching would repudiate, including that Catholic New Times publication

My guess is that the liberal administration of Boston College, paid and sworn to uphold the mission of the university will, as have all others since the 60's, capitulate to these dysenteric semi-primates.

The proper response would be to fire faculty who refuse to teach and to suspend those students who constitute what is most probably, a small contingent of big-mouth sludge.

But no. Not when they have the easy option to lay down and quiver; viz the Lawrence Summers 'weep-and-apologize' model (which BTW has long come to replace the Ronald Regan 'fire all the Air Traffic Controllers' model).

I'm with you, Fiberal. Fire or expel anyone who has a problem with the crucifixes and you'd go a long way to improving the Catholicity of Boston College. I sincerely hope they don't blow this opportunity to show some backbone, and more importantly, that they fear God more than man.

Van Helsing:

Where on earth did you get the information that Boston College was "the world's highest ranked Catholic university"?

Internationally, The Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome, The Catholic University of Louvain in Belgium, The Pontifical Catholic University of Chile, and St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia are all considered superior to Boston College.

In the US, both Georgetown and Notre Dame consistently rank higher than BC, with Notre Dame being the highest rated Catholic school in the US News annual rankings for at least 4 years running now.

I'm not up to speed on what Georgetown is up to recently in regards to Catholic identity (they've had a reputation of being "Catholic in name only" for some time now), I can report that Notre Dame continues to have crucifixes in each classroom, a chapel in each dorm (with a tabernacle) where mass is celebrated twice daily, and an extremely large and active pro-life group.

Anonymous at 9:50 AM:

The "Pope John Paul II feared George Bush was the anti-Christ" article you linked: did you even read it? The author takes a) a quotation of the late JPII made before he was Pope (i.e. prior to 1978) that have absolutely nothing to do with Bush, and b) the fact that JPII opposed Bush's war resolution on Iraq, and citing no further evidence somehow leaps to the conclusion that JPII identified Bush as the anti-Christ.

Just to let you know, Catholics in general and the magisterium of the Church in particular do not spend their time obsessing over the book of Revelations, much less try to corrolate contemporary people or events to it. As for JPII, his concern with the mounting battle between "Church and the anti-Church" were related to the messages of Fatima (1917), a devotion near to the heart of the late Pontiff.

Catholic Universities have become infested with fudge packing moles and liberals in the same way the priesthood was. Its only a matter of time before these moles rise the rank of Professor and start buggering their students. They need to weed this people out and get rid of them before its too late.

"The liberal campaign to eradicate Christianity"

I think it's ironic that you guys are so against the gays, because you really couldn't be more of a bunch of drama queens if you tried.

BTW, I can give you our Christianity eradication meeting schedule if any of you need it.

Good God.....

And ya know, there are Christians who face (and faced) REAL persecution and REAL attempts at eradication.

You dishonor their struggle with your whining and hyperbole-as-reality BS.

There is no organized campaign to eradicate Christianity per se where there are scheduled meetings. Its more insidious than that. It involves marginalizing Christianity and forcing it behind closed doors. Anyone who espouses Christian value is branded "a hater" "intolerant" and forced into silence or risk lawsuits from the ACLU. History in schools today totally omits the influence of Christianity in the formation of the US and its Constitution; except where it can be viewed negatively -i.e. Salem Witch trials. Rarely is George Washingtons farewell address taught. People put up Christian symbols at work are at risk of being sued. Europeans are noted mostly as invaders as killers of poor innocent peace loving Native Americans.

Reporting on the Catholic Church is primarily done only when there is a sex scandal or other wrongdoing or when they are depicted as insane for rallying to keep doctors from killing innocent babies in the womb.

One day Churches will probably be forced to hidden behind high walls so that non Christians are not offended at the mere sight of a church building. This is likely 10-20 years away.

Stalin and his buddies always said the key to destroying the Christian democracies is by infiltrating the schools and converting the children and they should be patient as this would take 2 generations to accomplish. Its working.

Boston U's alumni should not only complain, but withhold donations. Money talks!

This is absurd. It's a Catholic College! Would anyone seriously go to a Jewish College and then get all butthurt about people wearing yamakas? WTF is wrong with all these pussified liberals biatches?
You don't like the cross? Leave and find another school. Dumbasses.

geronimo:

you make things too logical and sensible. life is easy that way.

makes you wonder why when touring the school before enrolling this wasn't a problem. i'll bet the evil Christian school removed them during open house and once the papers were signed, they put them all back.

The Catholic Church was infiltrated by communists in the past in a deliberate attempt to smear the Catholic church as part of the communist cultural war against the west; just as many of the West's key institutions, such as education, media have been infiltrated by Marxists.
This goes waaaay back to the 1930s.

The communists have been implementing their strategy of subversion from within by pushing multiple anti-western agendas.
Anything and everything that will weaken the fabric of our societies such as moral relativism, multiculturalism, open borders, moral laxity, birth control and abortion, atheism etc.
I know it sounds siimplistic and old-fashioned but it really seems to come down to "good versus evil".

The Catholic Church is a major obstacle for the communists so they decided to do something about it.

Manning Johnson, a former official of the Communist Party USA, gave the following testimony in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee:

"Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin ... The Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the Church by the Communists
operating within the Church itself ... In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents within the seminaries ... to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes."

Mr. Johnson went on to say, "It is the axiom of Communist organization strategy that if a body has 1% Communist Party members and 9% party sympathizers, this 10% can effectively control the remaining 90% who think and act on an individual basis." He further testified that the goals of this infiltration were twofold:
1. To make the Catholic Church no longer effective against Communism.
2. To direct clerical thinking away from the
spiritual and toward the temporal and political ...hence, the preaching of the social gospel."

Another former Communist, Dr. Bella Dodd, a Communist most of her life, after her defection revealed that one of her jobs as a Communist agent was to encourage young radicals to infiltrate seminaries and religious orders, because the Catholic Church was the only one feared by the Communists, for it was its only effective opponent. She said, "In the 1930's we put 1,100 men
into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within. The idea was for these men to be ordained, and then climb the ladder of influence and authority -- to come to be monsignors and bishops. Right now, they are in the highest places ....".

The moonbats who run these universties want to remove all the bibles and replace them with THE ORIGION OF SPEICES or tell us all were related to monkeys and their the decendents of fish becuase these collages proffesors are all a bunch of stupid ignorant moonbats

"The "unbiased" teacher/scholar then thumped his sunken chest and proclaimed that "I would not and most definitely will not" teach in a classroom with a crucifix.

We finally found the solution to getting rid of all these nutball profs. infesting our "higher institutions";

MORE CRUCIFIXES!!

Proof undeniable that Crucifixes still have the power to ward off bloodsuckers.

Van Helsing you have vampires to stake!

Ugh.
If the Protestant seminary I currently attend had a teacher who made such a stink over with the crosses and pictures of Jesus throughout the school, we wouldn't stand for it.

And in a related story, "Catholics Outraged Over Liberals at Catholic University."

This clown deserves a beatin'

" Next they'll demand the removal of Bibles from churches."

... or Korans from .... our university campuses! Oh, the humanity!

What if we ask them to remove the new, state-sponsored religion, environmentalism, from our campuses? How do you think that would go over?

ChicagoBlood -- you stole my thunder! I'm on my way to my local university with a bag full of crucifixes and some holy water after sunset.

As a life-long Catholic (decidedly NOT part of the 54% who voted against Church doctrine), I would like nothing more than for the Church to return to its Orthodox roots and rid itself of leftist infiltration. For all their virtues, the Jesuits clearly hold views that are left of true Church teaching. It comes from a perverted definition of "social justice" which explains why so many so-called Catholics can justify making political choices that run opposite the authentic, foundational Catholic priorities of Life and Family.

"No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true socialist" [Unknown] Pope

lvb-rocks,

Don't forget to bring the Consecrated Host and set it on their desk , that'll sterilize the room it's in so they can never come back!

"I would like nothing more than for the Church to return to its Orthodox roots and rid itself of leftist infiltration."

As a fellow life long Catholic I agree and as the eternal optimist I aspire to be in these dark days, I eagerly look forward to the return of the Church to these Orthodox roots. I believe,our society and culture today (as consistantly illustrated on this blog, great work VH, keep it up) is in great need of a Catholic Church at full strength. A Catholic Church wiser and strengthened from the trauma of past experiences to engage a society and culture succumbing to depravation, ignorance and decay. A Catholic Church in full Communion with Her founder, Jesus Christ.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger as the saying goes and as a parent corrects their wayward children, our Church has been corrected and strengthened in her trials by a loving and Merciful God,a God building discipline in His Church to fight the battles ahead.

I'm not much of a believer in chance and happenstance as I once was. I believe events and things happen for a reason and a higher purpose, we just need to keep the faith and fight the good fight from one day to the next.

My 2 cents for what it's worth.

Spurwing Plover is in my view a unique and amusing DaDaist of Moonbattery posters, but this kind of chatter:

"The moonbats who run these universties want to remove all the bibles and replace them with THE ORIGION OF SPEICES or tell us all were related to monkeys and their the decendents of fish becuase these collages proffesors are all a bunch of stupid ignorant moonbats"

is exactly the kind of line liberals prey upon.
And little wonder. Look at it again.

Seriously, conservatives have got to grasp the intellectual priority of evolutionary theory.

Fiberal,

"Seriously, conservatives have got to grasp the intellectual priority of evolutionary theory."

Is that the same theory that does not stand up to scientific scrutiny, is the basis for eugenics, eradicates any meaning to life, and is devoid of substance?

get your resumes updated, doofuses.

ChicagoBlood -- I also like the work that VH does at MB, but the comments on religious topics are often anti-Catholic. Recently, a superb commenter (Dave?), who has a wonderful Catholic website, vowed never to return to MB. The comments don't come from an anti-religious perspective, but from a Protestant/anti-authoritarian/sola scriptura/bible only perspective and can be easily read as anti-Catholic. Every so often I try to give a Catholic response (I guess it's our job), but it usually falls on deaf ears. Without a genuine desire to understand correct Catholic doctrine and tradition with intellectual honesty and spiritual integrity, it's difficult to convince good people to come home to Mother.

If you've never read G. K. Chesterton, you must. He is the best defender of the Catholic faith and Christianity I've ever found (even better than the Church itself most times!). Also, a terrific article that addresses the topic of 'tolerance' can be found at the National Catholic Register (ncr.org): "When Tolerance Trumps Truth" by Donald DeMarco. The secular doctrine of 'tolerance' and the perverted definition of 'social justice' by some Catholics, are, I think, two of the biggest problems facing real Catholics these days. From the article:

"The experiment in trying to be tolerant in the absence of any regulatory truth has proven to be a failure. It has inevitably led to decisive intolerance of the Catholic Church, for example, and not because she opposes tolerance, but because she refuses to accord it a higher status than truth".

For anyone interested in exploring the Catholic faith, please read the conversion stories of Scott Hahn and Steven Ray (and of course, GKC).

"To be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant" -- Cardinal Newman

They didn't outrage when Madonna was wearing them in the 80's/90's .... In fact they puchased them for thier daughters/sons.

What's the problem now?!?

Hey! Maybe Moonbatteryvillers can find a passage in the bible that gives them a chunk of land for all eternity, you know, like Israel, and then can go get rid of (one way or another, perhaps refugee camps?) whoever is already there that you don't like and then "settle" it and ...have yer own little Moonbattery world with lots of crosses and churches and guns and Hummers and lots of oil wells and refineries and you could call yourselves Palinland ...or maybe Saracudastan? (no ...too arab sounding)

ivb-rocks: THANK YOU for that refreshing, intellectual apologia. I too have been off-put frequently in the b-sphere by conservative anti-Catholics. The RC Church's richness of tradition plus its consistent (and not reactionary) intellectual theology makes it stand apart. (note I didn't say "better" - not going there!)

Fiberal: That said, you ring true re the need for religious conservatives to, if not actually embrace the theory of evolution through natural selection, than at least accept that it is well-grounded if imperfect theory that explains a lot about our living world as we know it, but is not incompatible with belief in an All-Knowing, All-Loving, Creator God. Pope John Paul II believed that evolution theory fit perfectly within the framework of Roman Catholic theology.

I'm not invoking the oft-maligned "Intelligent Design" as much as the more intuitive concept espoused by Francis Collins - former head of the Human Genome Project and evangelical Christian. As a RC myself, I found his book "The Language of God" to be a breakthrough for identifying where Religion and Science can coexist, if they choose to. Speaking as a molecular geneticist (like Collins) who firmly agrees that the evidence for evolution as the driving force behind speciation is overwhelming, my RC faith does not feel threatened in the slightest because of it. There is plenty of room, in my mind, for God's plan in the unfolding of the evolutionary process leading to Man... which by its sheer improbability alone is truly a miracle, if you think about it.

That moonbat proffesor nit-wit is probibly a vampire expose him to the sunlight and he,ll crumble to dust

The MaryHunter,

Natural selection is not macro-evolution. Neo-darwinian evolution is completely incompatible with Biblical creation.

When 'mankind' thinks that his 'science' outweighs God, he presumes to be god. If you proclaim to be christian, (catholic or protestant) you proclaim to believe in Jesus. Jesus' teachings support a young earth creation by God, just as written in Genesis. At least try and be consistent, or are you saying that Jesus was wrong?

You can criticize this professors statements, tactics, even his beliefs.
Ain't a free country grand!

To those who say _I_ am trying to destroy your religion, try to understand that you need more than just a belief of this, you need evidence. Since I'm just a voice from across the internet, I really find it hard that you could possibly know what sort of insidious plan I might be working on.

Aussie-john, in all due respect, "mankind" seems to refer to billions of individuals and eons of time lost to history.

I would think God might be able to make pronouncements about such complex subjects, but from a man I would be skeptical.

For me Jesus and God are only found in the stories told about them and the people who believe in those stories. Until then its pretty hard for me to even know what you are talking about when you say "god" or "jesus" and I leave it at that, a mystery.

I happen to deny that they exist because that is what the evidence seems to support, but I am not so perfect that I can see throughout the cosmos and confirm that in fact in the cosmos or out of it, there is no God. I deny him because I have not found him YET, I'm agnostic about what I not yet know of the world around me.

Jesus never said anything about sanitation, germs, the plethora of life that live beneath our eyes invisible. Science brought us sanitation, saving us perhaps immense pain and suffering in this life. Stuff like that is why I tend to favor atheism and basically deny the holy spirit. For sanitation in this life, I am willing to risk that a tale of eternal damnation in the next life is probably just scare tactics to indoctrinate children into institutions and belief systems too complex for even their adherents, much less myself, to fully understand.

Fine ahht,

A couple of points if I may,

Everything requires a cause, and the ultimate original 'cause' of the universe is God. Every scientist I know is looking for 'cause'. Some see the cause of life as an accident, that we came from pond scum, that the universe, without any guidance, came from nothing 'billions' of years ago starting from 'the big bang'.

Christians happen to believe in the God of the Bible, and that Jesus is God in the flesh. That He lived, was crucified, died, and resurrected the third day is historical fact, whether you wish to believe it or not. It is also a fact that modern Judeo-Christian based societies have proven to be the most advanced, democratic, safe and prosperous nations.

That countries would now decide to ignore their own historical roots for the sake of 'political correctness', or because a minority gets upset is absurd. We now see that countries who fall away from Judeo-Christian principles begin a decline that is unstoppable by any human effort. While symbols such as crucifixes don't hold any 'magical' force, what they represent is important, and the removal of them, particularly from a Bible based institution is just the thin edge of the wedge.

Open minded research into Jesus is well worth the effort. Try Lee Strobel to start with.
http://www.leestrobel.com/

All you weenies are arguing over this when the reason is clear: Boston College has never won a football conference championship at any level. Worthlessness explained, lives may resume.

Aussie John, thanks for your reply.

Some quick thoghts.
Japan seems to come to mind. prosperous, modern, and not exactly christian. Democratic, and safe on the streets. Not a perfect example, but one.

I do not accept that it is Christianity that leads to democratic, democratic in many cases is more of a secular idea dating back to the pagan greeks.

Much of what we know of Greece was learned from the ottoman empire including geometry and other significant arts. The concept of zero is arabic I believe.

I guess I'm not ready to concede your point that Judeo-Christian modern civilizations are safer more democratic or more prosperous. There are plenty of other factors, such as the US which was taken over and settled by christians but not I that I can see because they were christian but because of technology and exploration and conquest in search of glory and profits etc.

If you call the initial universal cause "god" that is fine. But that does not connect that cause to the here and now in any way. That cause might have been a being that has long since died or been eaten by another god. It may be mulitple causes, by multiple gods, etc.

I am going to have trouble connecting THAT event's cause with the bible without evidence. Although I can understand that you do and consider it historical fact, I would have to repectfully disagree on that and look for common ground elsewhere.

For instance, Jesus and the bible seems a storehouse of moral teaching that can lead to good societies. I feel like I can see that fact and yet not believe that Jesus or God even exists. It tends to be a formula for me rather than the word of god. Also, I think we need to update it to modern times because the bible seems to be mired in a middle eastern agrarian society and in historical Rome and yet I find new and challenging moral issues that apparently they do not address in the christian religion.

Here is something I found that uses bible quotes. The intent was to put the 'abomination' of homosexuality in context with other things called 'abomination' in the bible. I have not confirmed these bible verses so this might just be propaganda, sorry if that is the case.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as an observant Orthodox Jew - homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet.

Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness - Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

aussie-john:
With all due respect, RC theology is completely compatible with and accepts evolution, as I noted before. That's not me, that's the Pope and myriad theologians. The question you need to ask is whether Biblical creation is absolute Fact, or is True. If it is True, that leaves room for acceptance of scientific facts as they are uncovered by Man (through the grace of God) that reveal the Truth in a consistent way that fits with our understanding of the Universe. This is not Science outweighing God, if you also accept (as I do) that understanding Science is not replacing God but is part of God's revelation.

Am I saying Jesus was wrong? No. Is the Catholic Church saying Jesus is wrong? No. Are they acknowledging that there were Truths that simply could not be revealed to ancient, unsophisticated civilizations (DNA, heredity, speciation, relatedness of different genomes, geologic timeframes, etc etc)? Yes I think so.

You need to ask yourself if acceptance in evolution as a possible unfolding of God's miracle of creation (started by God, perhaps directed by God at certain critical times) is as beautiful and reasonable as is creation of the heavens and the earth in only 144 hours. If you sincerely believe the latter, then I respect your faith. The fact that I believe the former, and that the RC Church accepts this as logical as well, does not mean that we are all heretics at worst, or even just mistaken at best. Perhaps we are... only God knows for sure! Recall that, for a very long time, the Earth was believed by the Church and most everyone else to be at the center of the universe, and for very biblical reasons.

The MaryHunter,

Saving grace is independent of belief in a 6 day creation, however, Christian belief is inconsistent with evolution.

You have expressed that man was somehow less intelligent before now, but this is not what the Bible says. Genesis indicates that God saw his creation of man as 'very good', but evolution indicates that death and disease precedes man. Evolution would mean that God got it wrong before He got it right.

On this point, the Catholic church is wrong, and the pope is inconsistent.

Evolution defies scientific laws of entropy and biogenesis. If you truly believe in Christ, put the Bible before science, and you will find science then makes sense. Put science before the Bible, and you fall into the trap of modifying what the Bible clearly says just to fit in with what fallible man says.

Aussie-John, we are clearly going to have to agree to (faithfully) disagree on this one. God bless! :D

People call themselves "Christians" because they say they believe in God. Satan believes in God, too.