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check out AIG/TAKAFEL(sp).

Most people have their head up their ass and don't care...and you're sure not going to get the government to address this.

There isn't much incremental about electing a muslim to be president who was born in another country and who has no experience and who has been an intimate friend with terrorists. This is a man who sat in a church and listened for years to a minister curse America and blame all wrongs on the white man. In other words, once you've fried the frog's ass with a blowtorch, it doesn't care if the water is getting warmer.

The bloodsuckers and parasites believe his promises even as he is breaking previous promises. The fun part is that under Sharia law they will be killed. Fundamentalist fanatics can not tolerate for a second any aspect of the parasitic anything-goes world view.

With all due respect, imho, sharia creep is a much, much, muuuuucccchhhhh larger problem than Obama. To even put in the same sentence the incompetent naif community organizer con man, who will be gone in 4 or 8 years, with the slo-mo takeover of the West by Islam is to not see the Islamic threat for the humongous threat it is. It's true that Obama-fool is not helping, but he is a drop of water; Islam is an Ocean-sized tidal wave.

Since the Government and American Women treat American Boys & Men so poorly, a growing number of us are hoping that this takes place. After all, you spit in our face and disrespect us so we could care less if you get taken over by Islam. I mean, if American Women & the Govt. think American Men are so bad and need to be treated so poorly then they get what they deserve.

Both American Women & the Government CAN GO F*CK THEMSELVES.

I'll stand back and enjoy the show while Islam takes over and the Pampered Little Princesses whine and cry. During this time you can ponder how poorly you've treated American Men and how little you've done to remedy the situation.

Yeah, I'm going to defend American Women & the Govt. Thanks for the laugh! HaHaHaHeeHeeHeeHoHoHo

Mega

If that one man can convince the country to take down the dikes and surrender at each opportunity to the tide and to do nothing at all in any form of self preservation, 4 years is forever and he is a very significant danger. It is the outside enemy who amplifies the inside danger. If there were no crazy fundamentalists, he would be as you describe. But, they do exist. And he is the greatest danger America has ever faced.

Islam is simply no worse than Christianity.

There is no difference and if Islamic rule means the end of Christ-o-fascism, then so be it.

... fine ahht, you're an idiot.

Do you guys seriously have a problem with implementing small changes to accommodate other traditions then your own? Are you that dictatorial? Do you freak out whenever you see a woman covering her hair? Do you really care about foot baths?

My stance is the same as with any other religion. As long as it doesn't violate existing law, I don't care what they do.

Anon, you're an idiot.

This isn't about making 'small changes'. If knew something of Islam aside from whatever they tell you over at DU or HuffPo, you would realize that it is much more than just 'women covering their hair'.

Islam is an alien religion at odds with Western democracy.

Pick up some books and read some websites that aren't on the loony left reading list.

fine ahht, you really are clueless.
Christianity has evolved and adapted so it can fit into the 21st century; Islam has done no such thing, and instead insists that the rest of the world change to accomodate its views (i.e. certain chools in I think England had been ordered to make their History teachers stop teaching anything about the Holocaust, for fear it might offend Muslim students who had been taught that the Holocaust was a sham invented by teh Jews to gain sympathy).
In Christian nations (Or at least nations claiming to be "Christian") like America, gays can be ostracized, but at least are allowed to live and have the basic human rights of everyone else. In Muslim nations, gays are stoned to death.
Christianity teaches that God views the Jews as His chosen people; Islam teaches that Allah likes to turn Jews into rats, pigs and monkeys.

Guys like fine ahht and Anon are just what the doctor ordered. Either they are actually Moslems pretending to be "tolerant" westerners, or they are the typical liberal who thinks he's got all the answers. You know, the "studies show that..." crowd. The ones that will site statistics as the Titanic is going down.

They'll be among the first targets of their Islamic brethren, so keep talkin'. I hope they enjoy life under Shariah law.

No, Montag, I disagree. The first targets will be the special interest minority groups that libs like Anon and fine ahht care so much about protecting, such as the feminists and, as I mentioned earlier, the gays.

Uh, no, I'm a person who actually knows and lives around Islamic people, which I severely doubt any of you do.

Quite frankly, as a group I've never found them to be particularly alien or unreasonable. I haven't run into any of these problems you love to cite, and frankly I feel that if I took a reactionary and xenophobic attitude like yours will simply make them more likely.

This kind of crap is exactly the same hate speech that a hundred years ago at the Irish. Honestly, at this point, all those past arguments seem foolish and ridiculous, as I'm sure all of these arguments will appear in another hundred years. In the mean time, I'm going to do the good Christian thing and live in peace with my neighbors.

another post that further erodes fine ahht's credibility. keep posting. we're enjoying watching you dig your own grave.

Anonymous at February 18, 2009 11:48 PM, the majority of us here don't have a single problem with decent, hard working Muslim people who appreciate the nature of this country and live within the borders of the native law. It's the militant chunk of the population that bothers us-- the group that tries to subtly change everything around them to fit their own radical views of their faith. And, yes, some of us DO live around and work with people of Islamic faith. You assume too much.

I see someone is posting using my adopted name "fine ahht"
I do not support the above statement. That person is a troll that is messing around with you.

Why this would be OK with all of you is kind of sad. Welcome to deception by your own covert peers.

The echo chamber here is deafening sometimes.

The muslims are going to take over?

I swear to god there is no more a terrified group of people than the American people.

Thank god we're protected by a bunch of internet Paul Revere wannabes...

I know, I know, it's ME not YOU. I'm BLIND to the imminent Islamic Sharia takeover, am I right???

I mean, all of the emails claiming Obama will declare the US an Islamic nation were right...kinda like the rest of your groups paranoid delusional theories.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 19, 2009 12:09 AM

Ok...

I'm trying to reconcile this with "foot baths == DOOM" and I can't.

So, you don't have a problem with Muslims... as long as you can't tell that they are Muslim?"

Foot baths, prayer breaks, financial contracts amongst themselves, arranging divorces (in ways that don't involve murder)? I don't care. I don't buy the slippery slope argument, this is just another blip of America incorporating yet another culture.

Most of us took the "Obama is Islamic" BS with a grain of salt. What we are not taking lightly is the fact that militant Muslims are trying to change things that directly effect the rights of non-Muslim people. And it doesn't matter whether or not you buy the slippery slope argument... people who want to change countries do it incrementally. Take a look at England... non-Muslims are watching their rights dissolve daily.

Do you guys seriously have a problem with implementing small changes to accommodate other traditions then your own? Are you that dictatorial? Do you freak out whenever you see a woman covering her hair? Do you really care about foot baths?

Posted by: Anonymous at February 18, 2009 12:50 PM

Do you really think that Islam consists only of foot baths and headcoverings?

If so I would suggest you take a lengthy trip to an Islamic country, or even a country where Islam is a minority or significant majority.

Huh - Just saw your second comment, "Anonymous." What a joke.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 18, 2009 11:48 PM

Uh, no, I'm a person who actually knows and lives around Islamic people, which I severely doubt any of you do.

I call your bluff. You may know a few Muslims, there may be a couple of Muslims down the street from you in your whitebread neighbourhood. They might be very nice people - a majority of Muslims are in fact nice, normal people in most if not all ways.

I guarantee you that you do not live in an Islamic country and never have.

I on the other hand do live in an Islamic country, and have for the last four years -- prior to that I spent four years at university studying said country's culture and language and traveled extensively throughout said country. I have personally spoken to several of the country in question's highest religious and political officials in the course of my duties here; I have lived in a province ruled by partial Shariah law; every single one of my closest friends and acquaintances is, without exception, Muslim, as is almost every single person I have dealt with on a personal and professional basis for the last half-decade.

I guarantee every single poster reading this thread that Anonymous knows precisely nothing about life under Islam whatsoever and the extent of his or her knowledge is perhaps living in a neighbourhood in a western country in which there are some Muslim immigrants.

Quite frankly, as a group I've never found them to be particularly alien or unreasonable.

That's because you don't know any of them - a handful at best of immigrants (or descendants of immigrants) in your whitebread neighbourhood. Give the rest of the posters here one piece of evidence to prove that you know anything about Islam -- go ahead.

I haven't run into any of these problems you love to cite, and frankly I feel that if I took a reactionary and xenophobic attitude like yours will simply make them more likely.

Pfft. Go on, let us in on the vast wealth of experience that has led you to these conclusions. Share with us the depth and breadth of your clearly superior knowledge.

This kind of crap is exactly the same hate speech that a hundred years ago at the Irish.

It is neither rhetoric nor remotely similar in any way whatsoever to anti-Irish sentiment a century ago. A poorer comparison would be hard to devise.

Honestly, at this point, all those past arguments seem foolish and ridiculous, as I'm sure all of these arguments will appear in another hundred years. In the mean time, I'm going to do the good Christian thing and live in peace with my neighbors.

Suit yourself. It is, of course, up to Islam whether your neighbours choose to do the Islamic thing and not live beside you peacefully unless you also Submit.

Do you really think that Islam consists only of foot baths and headcoverings?

If so I would suggest you take a lengthy trip to an Islamic country, or even a country where Islam is a minority or significant majority.

Posted by: Mandible Claw at February 20, 2009 7:34 AM

Should read: "I would suggest you take a lengthy trip to an Islamic country, or even a country where Islam is a majority or significant minority."

Thank you, Claw. I was getting tired of trying to explain to the troll by myself that he was pretty far off-base with his accusations and assumptions.

check out AIG/TAKAFEL(sp).

Posted by: nancz at February 18, 2009 9:25 AM

It's Anglicized with a "u" in most instances: Takaful

Thank you, Claw. I was getting tired of trying to explain to the troll by myself that he was pretty far off-base with his accusations and assumptions.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 20, 2009 4:04 PM

NP mate (Just FYI, there is another poster at this site who normally goes by "Claw" but is not me)

I see the troll in question has not replied at all, let alone responded to my request to prove his supposed credentials in matters regarding Islam - it's always quite unfortunate when a know-nothing liberal, who is trying to prove his/her superiority by claiming higher knowledge than allegedly ignorant conservatives - is called on the bluff. They tend to avoid ever responding, and then to pop up in future threads simply pretending the whole incident never happened, and if questioned again on their previous failure to answer will disappear again and repeat the cycle..

I know plenty of the most left-leaning Westerners you could imagine -- from aspiring Robert Fisk-wannabe journalists to left-libertarian, acid-dropping artist types -- who have experienced life under real Islam or even in its close proximity, and no matter how much they may hate Bush, Christianity, Republicans and the right wing in general, no-one who has really lived under Islam will make the claims our pet troll made above.