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Awwww..... how cute!

What sweet little darling Angels of Death!!!

Sick.

Yes.

Totally Off-Topic- but, ya gotta read this.

http://tinyurl.com/8y62ov
Government Incompetence in High-Def.

Funny and insightful look at the DTV conversion.

Example: "the government has once again made the Three Stooges look like the U.S. Marine Corps Silent Drill Team"

LOLZ

The little brat in the coat and tie (top right corner) delightfully displaying his bloody hands, looks just like the kid from the original Omen movie. The creepy little devil spawn......

if you're a bible believing christian, there is coming a time that many, if not most of these heathen will be wiped out on behalf of israel. it cannot happen soon enough - i'm getting so sick of the double standards.

Maybe people can just be taught to think differently instead of taught to fight over their stupid religions.

Most rational people would choose that option over wishing misguided children to be 'wiped out'.

harris - my apology, i meant their idiotic ackwards bass parents!

harris - my apology, i meant their idiotic and deranged ackwards bass parents!

Nor does the media ask: And why does it always seem that when you aim at Palestinian military targets you just so happen to hit any number of women and children? Why, could it be that Palestinian leaders are sick enough to sacrifice their own people (namely, women/children) to drum up international sympathy and anti-child-killing-Israeli gov't sentiment? No, no, it must be that the Israeli's really do target children, and shoot at targets (see: Palestinians) in an unprovoked manner.

Nanc, no need to apologize to Harris, the offspring of an islamofascist infidel hater has been brainwashed just like his or her ancestors in the same local madrassas. I feel no remorse or regret offing a life support system (no matter what the age) for a suicide pack of dynamite that would gladly kill an innocent american or israeli. I really doubt if they can be taught civility. Kill them now so they don't kill us later, just like we did with the hitler youth in WWII. It's that simple.

The pictures you wont be seeing in the NEW YORK SLIMES,WASHINGTON COMPOST,CHICAGO TRASHBIN,ATLANTA URINAL CONSTIPATION,SLIME,NEWSREEK, or from DECAY,BS MORNING NEWS,GOOD MORONS AMERIKA,BS SHUNDAY MORON,60 MINNIENUTS,NIGHTLIES,DATELIES NBC, or any of the other liberal left-wing news media

Here's another little 'gem' of a photo our leftist media should show:

http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/PalestinianNaziSalute01.jpg

But it's far too political incorrect. Not to mention it might spoil the fashion statement of solidarity celebs are trying to make when they wear those similarly designed scarves.

Maybe we should all start vocally protesting our own media until they listen, report news in a balanced manner or financially fold.

I've linked to your post from Sderot Watch which is an attempt to show their viewpoint.

Bryherb,

Good idea, let's kill them all. There is no such thing as innocence.

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13: 15,16

"[T]hey shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Hosea 13: 16

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31: 18,19

By the way, have you prayed for your enemy today?

I realize that this could be put in the open thread but it seems to fit this thread more.

http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/gz/
It's a poll to measure the support for Israel and Palestine/Hamas.
Some more support for Israel would be nice.

Something really needs to be done about our one-sided mainstream media. Even outfit's like Fox are inclined to lean left despite what the moonbats say about it.

I don't know what the answer is but it is apparent that the media is for whatever is most wrong... that's all I can figure.

I'm sure the left will have an excuse for these little militant shits. Just think these crazies are growing generations of killers. The left want to sympathize with their future killers. I don't feel sorry for any of them.....let all die.

Hostile agian!!!!

I sent this in, but let's not lose sight of the problem. The little kids know nothing. It's their parents that train them. Unfortunately, I've got no pat answer as to what else to do aside from flat out war against Islam.

Once these kids are teens or older, it's too late for most of them. If there was a way to target the parents, and snatch them away into a society that would raise them as civilized humans, I'd be all for it. I don't know how that could happen, though.

So while I'm afraid that a hot-war showdown with Islam is inevitable, I hold no joy at the prospect of kids getting killed.

And yes, Harris. I prayed for EVERYone today.

I am appalled by the commenters on this thread. Some see children who have been mentally abused by the adults around them and then wish for the children to be killed. I cannot fathom comments such as "kill them now so they don't kill us later", or "I don't feel sorry for any of them.....let all die."
Why on earth would you wish for a soldier to be put in the position that they had to kill children? Why are there no comments calling for people to begin teaching their children ways other than violence? Let's not look for ways to avoid the problem, you say, let's kill them all.

No one said, "Lord, help us reconcile and live in peace," "Let our enemies begin to understand us as we try to understand them."
Instead, there are calls to kill them all.

One claims that children cannot be taught civility, so they should be killed. This, sir, is called irony.

It is extremely saddening to see that the young minds of these children have been filled with hatred and violence. As long as parents pass hatred down to their children it will remain alive and well.

But don't dare for one instant think you are any better than they when you call for children, who had no choice in where or to whom they were born, to be killed.

"Once these kids are teens or older, it's too late for most of them. If there was a way to target the parents, and snatch them away into a society that would raise them as civilized humans, I'd be all for it. I don't know how that could happen, though."

"And yes, Harris. I prayed for EVERYone today."

Maybe that is the problem.

You often hear the cop-out, "They have been fighting over there forever and they will be fighting over there forever."

But what have they always been fighting over? What is the root cause of this never-ending war?
What on earth could be the reason for fighting over that particular piece of land? Is it more fertile than other places? Does it lay over huge oil reserves? Diamonds? Gold?

What is the supposed reward for the suicide bomber? The 'martyr'?

We scoff at '72 virgins', but would you know it if you believed something just as silly?

You predict a war against Islam, and I assume you don't mean an intellectual war. How sad that a war such as that will boil down to, "Yes, we worship the same god, but you do it wrong. Now die!"

It's just so wasteful.

I used part of your post in the beginning of this comment to illustrate what you already know. You know that praying for a solution won't work; that's why you didn't say, "I hope prayer will work." You said, "I don't know what will work, though."

If people can let go of these ancient superstitions, we will still have our problems of course, but the world would be a much better and sensible place.

Harris: assuming you dislike the idea of children being blown up, may I ask why? Is it a personal preference, or are you appealing to an objective standard of morality?
I ask this in all seriousness, because most atheists / agnostics I've read will (a) decry the horrors of religiously motivated violence and (b) simultaneously admit that if there is nothing higher than humanity, then there can be no higher moral law to which one can point and say "this is why X is wrong."
Might I add that your comment "Yes, we worship the same god, but you do it wrong. Now die!" is something that no Christian, Muslim or Jew would ever say. Anybody who knows spit about the three religions would know they have vastly different concepts of God. This might be why Lutherans aren't flying planes into Anglican-owned buildings, but such courtesy hasn't been extended in the Middle East.

PabloD,

Why do I not like children being blown up?
I assume for the exact same reason you don't like the idea of children being blown up. I am a human and I'd rather not see other humans being killed, especially ones who cannot grasp what they are doing, like the little ones pictured above. Silly question.

I do not need to point to anything other than the thing itself and say, "This is why children being blown up is wrong." I do not need some imaginary god telling me dead children is bad. You don't either. Why on earth would someone think you need an invisible man to tell you to not steal, or murder, or rape?
Stop being silly.

As far as my quote you used: That is almost exactly what happens!

Remember the IRA, Northern Ireland, Protestant, Catholics...all those guys? Weren't they worshiping the same god?

Sunnis, Shias? Isn't that the same god?

Isn't that also the very same God of Abraham? It's the same god, they are just worshiping him in different ways, and they have killed each other over that form of worship many many times.

This post illustrates why the Israelis will not let journalists into the foray. They've finally learned journalist are biased.

First:
The media is what it is because the people are weak-minded and tolerate it. Generally speaking, people prefer being lyed to rather than having to deal with reality. The media, like the govt., knows this and have become masters at playing the people. Don't blame them, blame yourselves!

Second:
As we all know, even those who choose to ignor it, the day will come when the world will realize the only solution to radical islam is "total extinction"! Is it the only rational response to a group of people who live only to kill all those who do not believe what the radicals say you must believe. In the end, it will simply be, us or them! The choice is yours, assuming there's enough time left to make it.

No different than a child taunting a big dog, Then running to mommy and daddy after they get bit. Everyone then blames the dog (and it's owner).

In my eyes there are no "innocent" hamas palestinians no matter their age.

Harris, you are on patrol in an urban gaza ghetto for the IDF and one of these little militant islamonazi's jump out of the rubble and points his AK47 right at your chest and screams Allahu Akbar. Think quick! do you drop to your knees to hug him and sing the Barney I love you, you love me song or do you take him out? If you are a brain dead MoonBat you sing along with Barney and leave to your loved ones back home your body shipped back in a flag draped box. If you have an ounce of self preservation in your bones, you squeeze off a round and rid the world of one less Islamofascist that's f%ckin' up our globe. Pray all you want to your preferred deity provider, your god is not going to change their minds and your kindness will be used against you to kill you. Islamofascism has that technique down pat on most of us. But if you aren't the religious type, then trying standing there with that AK47 pointed at you while contemplating and gazing at your navel and trying rationalize and noting any irony, You'll be just as dead.
This post/quote, I believe, was found on another thread here and sums it up so eloquently:
"There are NO CHILDREN or CIVILIANS under Hamas, only WEAPONS that breathe. The Palestinians are raised FROM BIRTH to hate Israel and prepare for the day when they kill a jew. It is obvious that YOU have no problem with this and ENCOURAGE these inhuman beasts with your public support.

No, WE did not label the Pallys as "inhuman", THEY did that by their ACTIONS."

It's all good and well to play armchair quarterback on the comfy leftist sofa and judge those who were and who still ARE scrambling for survival on dusty plains and unprotected valleys.

Love how Harris quotes scripture to show the "brutality" of the Hebrew/Christian and then makes the incredibly blatant (and deliberate) error of comparing YHVH to the muslim moon-god. Muslims say they worship the "I AM" of Abraham but of course, they don't. Their actions betray them and have from day one. The holy scriptures don't require any apology, but you're free to take that up with a higher authority if you wish. BTW, no one is born innocent. It's a leftist fallacy that appeals to the emotions but not to fact. Naturally, moonbattery always appeals to emotions and hyperbole to manipulate the deceived, hence the mess we continually find ourselves in.

Here's reality: before surgical strikes, international councils and the useless U.N. were possible, people had to deal with and survive the hordes of heathen they encountered by eliminating the root of those hordes, which of course meant destroying the offspring and the women who supported them. Besides which, keeping these offspring alive would have been less merciful than enslaving them. Yep, we pray for the enemy -- to dump their false religion -- and to start living productive lives instead of bombing people who actually have better things.

Harris is why we are in the shape we're in. It's all about "the children". If the thugs who masquerade as parents had an ounce of humanity in them, those kids wouldn't be used as shields and cannon fodder.

Don't wag your finger at me and say "we're all the same". No, sir, we aren't. Only in liberal "progressive" circles does the world become nothing but shades of grey.

There is no negotiating with the Islamic mind-set. I know. My family on my dad's side is from there (Armenian). If you think we can all sing Kumbaya and hold hands and buy the world a Coke and make nice, then you like every other pacifist in history will be the cause of more bloodshed than anyone. ISLAM SEES NEGOTIATION AS WEAKNESS. THEY ONLY UNDERSTAND THE SWORD. You don't think the world should be that way? Me either, but too bad.

I DO NOT WANT A WAR. No sane man does. But you made it very clear you have no idea about the enemy you're dealing with. You also have no idea about you're own side. Show me the last time Hamas dropped leaflets on an Israeli village before a rocket attack. (Rockets are now being launched from Lebanon...so much for a cease fire.)

So, Harris. Go on feeling like you've got it all figured out if they'd only listen to you and make nice. When the scimitar is descending on your neck, I hope that your humanism and cold science existentialism will give you comfort. Looking into the abyss (not as a philosophical exercise but as an immediate reality) is a sobering thing. (By the by...check out how many existentialists have committed suicide over the years. Life without any hope is a bleak thing.)

Isn't it odd how those who most malign religion are most prone to solving the world's problems with magical thinking. e.g. "Oh, if only we could get the little Palestinian tykes to read 'Harry Potter' and play with My Pretty Ponies. Then, they'd stop wanting to exterminate the Jews."

It's just not that simple. All the choices are bad here. But it gets back to, if you could have put cyanide into little Addy Hitler's Juicy Juice, would you have? Classic dilemma, multiplied a few hundred thousand times over.

This is an existential issue for Israel. To survive as a state and a people, Israel must defeat Hamas. Hamas eagerly uses Palestinian children as human shields. It's easy for someone like Harris to engage in magical thinking when the wonderful Palestinian people aren't firing rockets into his neighborhood every day.

When did I ever say Israel should not defend itself? When did I ever say the Palestinians had the moral high ground?
Once again, you know that I did not.

I want to find real solutions that are more thoughtfull than wiping them out or a religious war. Of course the problem in many situations is Islam. It is one of the main reasons many of these people are in the terrible situation they are in. They spend money on weapons and propaganda instead of food and shelter. They teach their children from an earliy age to kill and hate, just as these pictures illustrate.

But do you really advocate knocking on doors and killing those who say they are Muslims? I hope you don't, but after these comments I am not sure.

And do you believe that Hitler was born hating Jews? Who wear you born hating? That's absurd. You have to be taught to hate people, either through bad experiences with certain people or by the adults around you. Children are born innocent and blank slates.

Quite an army of straw men you're building there, Harris. I also note the quaint intellectual sophistry, you want credit for diagnosing the problem ("I want to find real solutions that are more thoughtfull (sic) than wiping them out or a religious war. Of course the problem in many situations is Islam.") But you don't want to offer any solutions or support anyone else's, because taking a stand would invite criticism. You are too intellectually shallow to take the next step. You just want to stand back and take pot-shots at those who want to grapple with the problem.

So, if children are blank slates, does that mean everything they become is a result of environment and choices they make? Are you conceding there is no genetic basis, for example, for sexual orientation? Or, are children only blank slates when it offers you a platform for cheap moralizing?

harris - sunni and shia are as different as catholics and jews.

OK, I see the difference between you and I.
I see them as people, almost identical to myself genetically, who had the misfortune of being born where and to whom they were. Their parents and elders twisted their minds and sewed the seeds of destruction. They were infected with an ancient disease that will ultimately destroy many of them.
It could have easily been me.

You, however, don't even see them as human. They are people, whether you like it or not, and they have the same capacities you have. You could have easily been taught to despise other races, or religions, or groups, but hopefully you weren't.

I can't believe I am responding to this patently absurd argument.
Do I believe infants leave the womb with an innate hatred of a certain group of people? No, that is ridiculous and you know it.

I don't want to offer any solutions or support anyone else's? If the 'solution' is what's offered on this very web page, then hell no I don't support it. The only 'solution' I have read has been to "kill them now before they kill us", and you can plainly see that the commenter was speaking of killing children.

Why would I support killing children? There may come a time when children are armed and must be killed, but hopefully that terrible scenario won't be carried out.

My friend was shot up in Mogadishu by a 14-year-old boy with an AK. His squad had to kill the boy, then the boy's mother, in anguish, ran out and picked up his rifle. They then had to kill her, too. Were they justified? Of course. Does my friend still think about that day quite a lot? He says he does. Should we be proud of having to kill boys who have been duped into fighting a holy war? I don't think so.

I must say, that the irony is extra thick and juicy today!

My use of 'straw men' pointed out by someone who claims I support the Palestinians, although I never have. My use of 'straw men' pointed out by someone who claims I believe homosexuality is a genetic trait, although I never have.

You are the epitome of a hypocrite.

nanc,

Even if it is Krishnas fighting Druids it is still ridiculous.

Yeah, Harris, and you still refuse to offer any alternative solution. How brave you must be to cast aspersions on others while refusing to take any position of your own any more difficult than "killing is bad."

Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back. And by the way, how is the view from the back of your high horse? By the way, point out the comment where I stated that you support the Palestinians. That assertion is plain dishonest, not that honesty is a barrier to you.

V the K,

And even if homosexuality is a learned behavior, are you saying it's wrong?

That cannot possibly be your opinion on the topic:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kKpJRdXfZuA/SVvcxflBN9I/AAAAAAAAFeg/NmE5EXLOm4Q/s1600-h/naughty20and20nice202.jpg

But back on topic, the issue is why would parents want their children to dress in a suicide belt and what can be done to stop such atrocious ideas.

Uh oh, Harris is cornered. He is realizing the checking account in his butt is overdrawn and his mouth is still writing checks.

What's your solution, Harry? - Sorry. Insufficient Funds.

Where did I say you supported Palestinians, Harry? -- Sorry. Insufficient funds.

So, now he has to try and change the subject to pics of hot women, similar to those found every Thursday on my weblog. Thank you for the advertising.

Alternative solution?

Well, we know that when a country's economy is in the toilet they are more prone to this type of behavior.

We also know that suicide bombings and other type of attacks, such as the rockets, are acts of desperation. Wasn't it P.J. O'rourke that said you know the enemy has nothing when they are willing to kill themselves to kill you. Why are these people so desperate, or what makes them think they are so desperate. I have not been to Gaza, and I have seen some pictures of nice supermarkets and others of a wasteland, so it must be a mixture of the two.

Why would a young man willfully kill himself? Well, he can see that he obviously has no future here on earth, so he is willing to accept that he can die for a god and get rewarded. Perhaps if we took steps to create a better future for them here, they wouldn't feel the need to martyr themselves.
We must get the neighboring countries involved. I don't know what kind of college scholarships Egypt, for instance, offers, but I know education is a huge positive step for people. Most everyone will agree with that.
Jordan has also shown itself to be a possible avenue of support. Saudi Arabia offered a 'micro-loan' program at one time to help entrepreneurs in the area, but I don't know if they still do.

Hamas does need to go, and I believe Israel is doing the right thing in taking them out. I will not salivate and revel in the death of children, but I realize that in a war terrible things happen. If Hamas can be revealed, which is happening now, as a leadership that will only lead to death and destruction, then they will lose favor with the people quickly.

1. Remove Hamas.
2. Pressure surrounding Arab countries to accept Palestinian students into their universities.
3. Create a government system that fosters business ownership and access to property.

There are many many things that can be done instead of killing them all.

Why would anyone jump to the conclusion of killing children, genocide, and a religious war when there are many other methods we have not attempted?

Of course you are going to always have radicals. We have radicals in the States, so why are they so marginalized? Why do most people look at the Aryan Brotherhood as repulsive? Why do we pay little attention to the Black Panthers?
Because they have been pushed to the fringes of society. They have been pushed there because for most of us there are many more opportunities available besides joining a gang or becoming a radical muslim.

The West has been feeding clothing and sheltering the Palestinians for forty years, and has only succeeded in raising a larger population of even more militant Palestinians. Harris thinks the answer is to continue and expand these policies.

In other words, reward the Palestinians for terror, and hope this makes them stop.

As for kicking Hamas out and all the other happy fuzzy items on your wishlist, how do you accomplish them in a way that no precious little children are harmed? How do you implement your plan? How do you get Palestinians to abandon a culture based on corruption and family alliances and institute a system pf "business ownership and access to property," especially when these run contrary to Islamic law?

A wrong diagnosis ensures the wrong treatment. It's not desperation that drives the suicide bombers, it's fanaticism.

V the K,
We have been doing good to not fall into petty name calling, so why don't you try to not start now, ok?

Thanks.

Harris, where have I engaged in name-calling? Probably the same place where I said you supported Hamas, right?

Give me citations, or admit your error.

What drives them to fanaticism?

And once again, you know I did not say expand the policies of feeding and clothing.
If you care to actually read my post, you will see that I said perhaps Egypt could offer college scholarships to Palestinian students. It is giving him an education, yes, but that is like food that never runs out.
We can pressure Saudi Arabia to re-consider the micro-loan program.
It is basically the 'teach a man to fish' mentality, as opposed to the 'kill the man and his children' mentality.

There is even the option of having Palestine absorbed into the surrounding Arab countries.

Business ownership and property ownership do not run contrary to Islamic law. Either you are blatantly lying or you are completely clueless, and am not sure which it is.

And for the last time: I realize that oftentimes military objectives cause collateral damage and innocent deaths before they can be carried out. It is unfortunate, but it is a reality. However, please read this out loud so you can finally grasp what I am saying; There is a difference between the accidental death of children as the result of a military exercise and purposefully targeting children in an effort to 'wipe them out' or 'kill them before they kill us'.

No, Harris, you need to do more research. The state (under sharia) is the ultimate decider with regard to land use and property rights, (the Islamic state having the role of Allah's earthly steward). This means, land can only be held by anyone for so long as the state determines it is being used productively. In practice, this means real property can be confiscated and redistributed arbitrarily (or with the help of a few well-place bribes.)

The stagnation of Muslim lands, particularly those in the Middle East, is not a coincidence.

"How sad that a war such as that will boil down to, "Yes, we worship the same god, but you do it wrong. Now die!""
No. The God of the Bible is NOT the same as the Allah of the Koran. God (Jehovah) referred to the Jews as His chosen people; Allah was known for turning Jews into rats, pigs, and monkeys, and urging Muslims to kill Jews.

Such fine distinctions are lost on Harris. He doesn't really understand religion, but he feels compelled to lecture about it.

Adam,

Please, the god of the Bible is known for killing children, condoning slavery, enjoying the smell of burning flesh and fat, oppressing women, endorsing rape, destroying civilizations, and being an all-around jerk.

V the K,
I understand Christianity enough to know that you must not have ever read the Bible if you think it is less violent than the Koran.

You may begin creating excuses...NOW:

Another point of interest is how Allah urged Muslims to kill Jews, while Jehovah urged Jews to kill Jews.

What the hell are you guys worshiping?

I'll help with the excuses:

Those are all from the Old Testament. (Because the god we worship now isn't the same everlasting, unchanging god as the god in those books...)

Those were the rules of society for a time long ago; it was the way things were. (Because god couldn't outlaw things like rape, slavery, child-killing, etc... and he didn't realize that things may change...)

Our society isn't better than the Old Testament times because of god, it is better despite god.

Ha! And those scruffy goat-herders from the Middle East that you so love to poke fun at...those are exactly like the men who wrote the Bible you hold so dear...

Talk about irony!

The Bible exhorts us to "test everything, and hold fast to the good." It also tells us we can tell if a tree is good by examining its fruit. The fruit of Islam is terror and stagnation. Therefore, Islam can not be true if these are the fruits it yields.

(Oh, but that's not Islam, that's just some of the people who practice it.) I suppose then if there were a hypothetical country run by Islamic clerics, then we could assume such a country would be the purest expression of political Islam. And if such a country was stagnating culturally and economically while promoting terrorism, it would be fair to say that such are the fruits of Islam.

Unfortunately, the existence of such a country is non-hypothetical.

And I still have yet to see a citation to prove what Harris claims for me to have said.

Uh-Oh...you made the false-assumption that I am saying one fantasy is better than the other.

You also made the false assumption that I wouldn't check your fake quote. Here's what I found:

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=test+everything+and+hold+fast+to+the+good&x=14&y=10

FAIL.

V the K,

Read back over your post, the one from 8:20AM. Your behavior is becoming more and more childish, but please don't hijack this thread and turn it into a discussion on what is the definition of name-calling or the definition of insinuation.

If you've got nothing just say so, or be quiet.

I am going to dinner. Please do not make silly comments and then take my lack of response as 'proof of my wrongness' or something equally foolish.

The quote is from 1 Thessalonians 5:21

There is no name-calling in the 0820 post, it is an accurate description of your behavior, Harris. You never produced a cite where I said you supported the Palestinians - as you claimed I said. And you had not offered any solution up until that point, and when you finally offered one up, it was vague and platitudinous, with no explanation of how it could actually be implemented. When I challenged you on that, you reverted to your usual game of attacking people's religion.

Then you tried to play "gotcha" and failed.

BTW, calling someone "childish" because they have pointed out your errors is name-calling.

Cute, it isn't enough that Harris has to lie about things I supposedly in the past, he's now speculating about things I supposedly would say in the future.

Do all agnostics display this degree of intellectual integrity?

Quick comments on an already long thread:

Harris is using the typical leftist class warfare argument. "It's because they have a bad economy." Bull! Tell that to the 9-11 families who's loved ones were killed by very economically comfortable, well educated upper-middle class thugs driving planes into buildings (assuming you don't believe that Bush and Cheney did it).

As to the "Palestinians" being absorbed into other Arab states, here is a news flash: They Don't Want 'Em. All those millions of square miles of sand and none of their Moslem brothers will let them in. Why? To answer that, you'd need to be able to understand TRUE religious and ethnic bigotry and prejudice. That's right! Perpetrated by and aimed gainst non-Christian people of color. You can hardly believe it, right?

If you want to believe everyone here is a bloodthirsty child killer, go ahead. You KNOW that isn't true. But when a large portion of 1.3 billion people want to kill us...regardless of economic or educational circumstances...what else but a war would be coming? NO, not kicking down doors and targeting kids. But if the parents insist on using them as part of their weaponry, what are we to do? Let them win? Let them kill OUR children?

You are a self-important but very ignorant man.

Like I said, matt: "Magical thinking." Harris rattles off a list of things that would be nice if they happened, but has no practical plan for implementing them.

One way to look at this is seeing the deaths of millions of fanatical Islamo-fascists as the second-to-worst outcome, and the deaths of millions of innocent non-Mulsims as the worst outcome.

Hamas does not see it that way. What we think is the worst outcome is, to them, the best outcome.

Hamas is ideologically committed to genocide and upwards of 70% of Gazans voted them into power. The only thing stopping Hamas from wiping out Israel is lack of capability. One way or another, they must be denied the means of actualizing their desire for genocide. There are methods to deny them those means, but they must be applied constantly.

What is left out of Harris's magical thinking is what the Palestinians actually want. They could have chosen the path of economic development, and the nations of the world were willing and ready to aid them. Instead, one of the first acts of the Palestinians when Gaza was handed over was to tear apart the greenhouses where flowers had been grown for export. Then, they proceeded to launch constant attacks against Israel. These are not the actions of a people with aspirations of economic security and peace.

Ya got your,
1) full grown terrorist
2) terrorist breeder
3) future terrorist
Any Questions?

Depose Hamas. Good idea.
Try to educate the young Palestinians. Stupid idea.
Try to rebuild the economy. Stupid idea.
Search for ways to give a better future to the young people. Stupid idea.
Kill everyone. Good idea.

Well, let's all hold hands and pray that God Almighty will solve the problem. He is all-powerful and merciful, sometimes at least.

If we must go to war and kill 1.3 billion people then it must be God's plan. Either God will make them understand and bring peace to the area, or we will understand that He wants war. We will be victorious because we are the favored of God.

And I am the one accused of Magical Thinking?
Ladies and gentlemen, reality has left the building.

We put men on the moon but we can't figure this out?

Harris,

Why don't you go over there with your Bible and change their minds?

I don't think you will get very far because they hate you and your religion. That true reality.

Watching,

That is the most AWESOME comment I have seen today.

Not to worry Harris they hate me even more.
They hate my religion even more than yours.

That's why I hate them back and wish them all they deserve as well as what they have earned.

DEATH!

Do you think it is possible to somehow stop this cycle without having to destroy hundreds of thousands of people?

Do you believe it is possible?

(I am confused as to why you seem to think I am the Christian here...)
I do not have faith in an almighty god (because God is imaginary), yet I still believe it is possible.

There has got to be a way.

Wishing for the deaths of children who are being consumed by evil, and then in subsequent comments claiming Christianity is nothing less than horrifying hypocrisy. I stand with Isreal. I can't stand Hamas. I think the sooner we send these militants to meet their 72 WoW virgins the better.

However, I repeat, wishing for the deaths of children is idiotic.

Should a 7 year old waving an AK at our military be shot? Of course. But that is not the same as wishing for that child's death. A lot of this disagreement could have been nipped in the bud really quickly if someone just would've made that distinction early on. Hamas is scum and every child that dies lays at their feet.

Harris, I'm personally sick and tired of seeing you hijack posts to rail against Christianity. We get it. You don't believe. Big deal. Stop acting like this is some new thing you just thought of. Your neck must hurt from trying to turn your nose up so far at us. Every new comment out of you is drenched in sarcasm and disrespect, and it makes me wonder why you allow something you don't even believe in to have such power over you.

Odd, too, that you would have so many nice snippets of Scripture to be used at your whim in whatever caustic manner you prefer. And then, when you attempt to discuss the real subject, you demonstrate no knowledge of Islam, sharia law, or the Koran. When you're called on it, your comments turn into, essentially, "nyah nyah Christianity sucks." It's deflection and ignorance at its "finest," and sadly, what I've come to expect from you lately.

"That's why I hate them back and wish them all they deserve as well as what they have earned."
~Watching

You are not the judge of what they deserve or have earned. Trust me, I feel the same rage at Hamas as you, but that doesn't make it right. Christians are warned repeatedly to not judge or condemn other men for their actions, for good reason.

"Do you think it is possible to somehow stop this cycle without having to destroy hundreds of thousands of people?"

Hamas says "NO!" and fires off another dozen rockets.

We TRIED every peacefull solution possible for GENERATIONS. Others have tried a peacefull solution, the muslims have BRED the Pallies for eternal war; you can't reason with a mad dog, you can only let it bite you, or can shoot it.

Cowlove..I get what you are saying butI am not a Christian.

I have family over there.

Cowlove..I get what you are saying butI am not a Christian.

Gotcha, point taken.

cowlove,

If the hypocrites posting here want to play-pretend 'Christian' then I have no problem beating them over the head with their own Bible.

And please let me apologize for my knowledge of Islam being so rudimentary that I overlooked the obvious solution, which is of course, the extermination of every Palestinian man, woman, and child. How silly of me for not realizing that.

Thanks for opening my eyes to your wisdom!

Love it when atheists twist scripture to suit their own agenda and in the same moment demonstrate instead, their profound ignorance and lack of wisdom. As I wrote earlier, scripture needs no apology.

The Creator of the "old testament" IS the same as that in the "new". What changed were the people, who came out from under the law, rituals and "the schoolmaster" as Paul called the levitical priesthood and its trappings. And why did they emerge leading many to follow God's Son and His example? Because they GREW UP and were able to balance the letter of the law with the heart of it. YHVH stated clearly in the "OT" that He was far less interested in the slaughter of creatures and far more interested in circumcision of the heart, (Jer 7:22-24, Deut 10:16). Circumcision of the flesh is only a seal, not the true circumcision.

To equate Hamas and their spawn with people who would rather advocate peace and diplomacy (that's us in case you missed it) is to be completely blind to what has been going on for centuries. Hamas does NOT want peace. They want destruction to all who are not of their cult, period. They will not entertain anything else. I suggest that all who think otherwise volunteer their lives to seeking "peace" with Hamas. A one-way ticket should do it, because I seriously doubt that your muslim buddies will allow you to return in one piece.

Harris: we're a long way down from my last post, but I don't think you've answered my question. What's your basis for making a moral judgment? By your reply to my last post, I must infer that you believe "morality" is merely an innate feeling in most people. If so, then it's no more "moral" than hunger or cold.
And I disagree that it's a silly question, as you so derided it; it's a fundamental philosophical question, one which you've dodged by mocking the theistic position. Hardly a satisfactory response...

PabloD

"Harris: assuming you dislike the idea of children being blown up, may I ask why? Is it a personal preference, or are you appealing to an objective standard of morality?
I ask this in all seriousness, because most atheists / agnostics I've read will (a) decry the horrors of religiously motivated violence and (b) simultaneously admit that if there is nothing higher than humanity, then there can be no higher moral law to which one can point and say "this is why X is wrong.""

There is no higher moral authority than humanity. To think that we need some Invisible Man in the sky to watch our every move so we aren't naughty is absurd.

Before the Civil War, slave-owners pointed to the Bible and said, "This is why slavery is acceptable." I can point to the Bible and say, "These are the situations in which rape is acceptable." "This is when you should stone your children." "This is how many wives you may have." "This is how hard you should beat your slave."

As a society we have rejected many notions that were obviously acceptable to God and Jesus. Jesus didn't have a problem with slavery or racism, yet we as a society reject it.

The only conclusion we have is that our morality is higher and more just than that of God.

You seem to think that people who don't believe in imaginary beings do not or can not have morality. This is a silly assertion.

That is just like saying children can not or will not behave properly if there is no Santa Claus, which is absurd. (Although, if you're bad, Santa will leave you coal...If you don't listen to Jesus, he'll burn you in it!)

Oops...forgot the name!

fellowes,

I am sorry God wasn't a good enough writer to be clear and concise. I wish, since He would have known what would only be useful for 500 years and what would be useful for all time, He would have labeled them as such and saved a lot of trouble.

And for the record, I haven't twisted anything. You must twist them to get them to make sense for you.

Thanks for opening my eyes to your wisdom!

You continue your slide towards complete ignorance. I never once mentioned the extermination of anyone. In fact, I used the beginning of my comment to disagree with people who were walking that line. While your strawman might have made you feel better about typing a pointless comment, it has nothing to do with anything I said. I did, however, point out to you that in a struggle between Jews and Muslims, you spend a disturbing amount of time bashing Christianity. Then, when you discuss the actual topic at hand (Islamic extremism), you demonstrate no knowledge of the actual subject. I guess your faith in atheism is so strong you feel the need to blindly rage against anyone who disagrees with you or dares profess a contradicting faith. Odd.

Cue the condescending sarcasm and further off-topic comment in 5...4...3...

Faith is believing without proof. Rationality means you must have proof before you can believe.

Why do you reject Global Warming? Could it be because there is no proof of it's occurance? So when you see people touting global warming and the impending end of the world, you argue against it; not because you are afraid of it, but because it is absurd.

Well, that's exactly what I am doing here.

I'll start on common ground...
Islam is a problem in many parts of the world. A small muslim population within a larger one doesn't cause much of a problem, but the higher the concentration of Islam the more oppressive it becomes. There is proof of that.

I also know that most everyone on this site agrees that Islam is not a race. No one is born muslim; it is a religion and mentality that must be taught.

If Islam is the problem, then what will make it go away?
Here are a few answers posited by others on this thread:
A) Kill all muslims.

Actually, that is the only solution offered by the austere commenters thusfar.

I offered education, business ownership, property ownership, economic stability, autonomy, and opportunity, but those ideas were deemed stupid. There have also got to be many many more options available, I just don't have all the information. `

If people accept that their shitty life on earth is merely a test to get into some boring heaven, then they will be less inclined work towards making this life better.