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What a bunch of fargin iceholes.

Green moonbat insanity and stupididy is the the energeizer bunny ITS KEEPS ON GOING, AND GOING AND GOING AND GOING

Ancient batterys found in the middle east and elsewhere were said to be able to produce a charge useing grape juice, urine and other acidic fluids, BUT we don't use them any more because we have invented more efficient batterys. This is a clever idea, but it really belongs in a jr. high school science class.

But when they finish going, they wipe with one sheet.

ROFL@ "fargin iceholes". Love it.

moonbat faced waxman is at it again.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95NNE8O0&show_article=1

Man, this may be awesome in 5 years!

Glad I won't have to wait for you guys to invent anything! It's hard to create when anything new or different is stupid.

BTW, this is the same concept as your car battery. (Car battery isn't new, therefore you may not cringe when I mention it.)

If you would like a more adult description of the idea, how about National Geographic?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0818_050818_urinebattery.html

HARRIS, you're doing it again!

You say that you want people to create something "new and diffrent", yet you admit (As I have pointed out) that this is OLD TECHNOLOGY! A couple of months ago, another poster suggested that LED lights should replace the murcury-vapor floresant lights that the "greenies" are so in love with because they are safer and more efficient. Several of us "luddits" (As you would lable us) agreed.

"Man, this may be awesome in 5 years!"

In five years this will be forgotten. It's not a solution, nor is it a "new" way of doing something, it's just some moonbat's way to be "shocking" and "contriversial".
"Look at MEEEE!" he is saying. "I made a WET CELL battery that runs on PISS! Aren't you shocked? Aren't you offended? Stick it to tha MAN! Down with polite behavior!"

Now we just have to convice all AGW Disciples to switch to them. Of course, since almost none of them practice what they preach.....

KHarn

You didn't read the National Geographic article, did you?

I said it was the same concept as a car battery, didn't I?

No one said this was going too replace the gasoline engine, did they?

You are quite afraid of technological advancement, innovation, and scientific understanding, aren't you?

Wow, scary!

Harris the problem I have personally with this, beyond the fact that I'd have to piss into my cellphone, is that if the inventor had just thought for a second he/she would have realized that hooking you cellphone up to a solar panel would do the exact same thing much more efficiently. As KHarn pointed out, the inventor is just trying to be "controversial" and is hopping on the green bandwagon for some profit and name recognition.

Wow. And I've even heard that you can get electricity out of a POTATO!

New technology is so amazing.

Peeing on a cellphone? :) Doesn't that remind you of "Joe Dirt" when the guy pees on a fire while covered in oil.
Harris this is hardly like a car battery which uses acid and copper plates and is recharged via an alternator. I bet they sure are proud of you at MIT.

[What a bunch of fargin iceholes.]

lol @ Johnny Dangerously reference.

To quote Mr. Taggart: "What in hell will those assholes think of next?"

http://www.physorg.com/news5805.html

This technology has many uses, well, for anyone equipped with the ability to imagine new things and create new ideas.

Harris;

Got any of those new ideas? Ok, I'll give you that this technology is quite useful for powering urine test kits. Anything else?

um, a question - HTF do you get the urine into that tiny bulb?

Piss on Harris and recharge some of his brain cells. Certainly can't hurt to try.

A waste of perfectly good piss, though. You could write in the snow and make a more lasting impression.

A Golden Shower for Power. If you pissed on the Harris brain, that is your aim would have to be darn good since it's so small, it would probably double his IQ. Adds new meaning to "peebrain".
If you burnt poo, you would probably decrease Harris's groceries(no hot lunch for Harris). You'd be warm but Harris would be hungry.

hiram,
You have to keep in mind that one fluid that can be used to activate the battery is urine; it's not the only fluid. I haven't read much on the technology, but to just speculate, I would say they could power emergency devices, since the battery could not lose power over time because it had not been activated, internal medical equipment, like those miniature cameras people can swallow to diagnose medical issues, or maybe some sort of fluid-detection alarm.

If you spent time imagining things I bet there is all sorts of stuff you could come up with.

nanc,
It could be that you use the pipette to draw urine from a cup. Remember, though, urine isn't the only fluid that will work. The author of this story just used urine to be 'shocking' and 'controversial'.

Anonymous and Bryherb,
Ha! You're right! Man, how was I ever so foolish as to doubt the intellect of two specimens of such high caliber?
Piss!
Doo-Doo!
Yes, that's much better than thinking!

nanc,

To add:
That battery in the picture is only one manifestation of the technology. The really useful stuff is with the smaller ones, a bio-degradable 'throw-away' battery that will have hundreds of uses. Check out the two addresses I posted. It's very interesting stuff.

If things like this are such a great concept and is more cost effective it would sell itself, people would demand it.

Problem is alot of these "green solutions" are more costly and less efficient than other technologies. Solar power is a classic example, its been "cost effective within 10 years" for the last 40 years. When you add up all the installation costs (which are massive), the maintenance costs (panel replacement and storage battery replacement every few years) and cost of labor to do all that, the only people who can afford it are the rich. Just installing a 4 KW system on my house (which would be ok in summer but winter I would need at least 50% more) would be $20,000+ just for installation (not counting maintenance). My current electric bill is $600/yr. Do the math.

That is stupid, that huge thing would never fit in remote control or any other device. Or does the pee tube come out - in which case does it leak all over the place?

Harris,

Having the ability to tell the difference between good ideas and bad ideas is more important than having "imagination" and falling for anything that is a "new idea".

I've founded two successful businesses, and I can promise you that ruling out bad ideas is probably the most critical thing that needs to be done in entrepreneurship.

Name,

The site that had the story about the crematorium also had a brief article about a company producing a 5kWh system that goes up during the building of the house or can be retrofitted. The article says that with incentives and tax rebates the cost comes to about $10,000.

If I had more time I would figure out how long it would take to pay for itself, or if it would, but we must get away from thinking there is not a better way than burning coal to make steam to spin a turbine.

Scientists are doing some great work towards making fusion a reality. Don't scoff at stuff or call it stupid simply because it is new. (Ignorance is not something you should strive to maintain, like the commenter above ^.)

Sorry, I hate to piss in your cheerios, Harris, but no, not every new idea should be embraced. Most are just bad, period.

And who wants piss on their camera/rc car, whatever anyway?

Every new idea should not be embraced, but it also should not be rejected simply because it is new.

It's obvious that most of the commenters here didn't bother to look at the actual technology behind this idea, they just mocked it because the lead commentary directed them to do so. Truly sad.

I'll reiterate with a quote from my last comment, the one to which I assume you are responding:
"Don't scoff at stuff or call it stupid simply because it is new."

Seriously, your attitudes towards science and innovation are one of the main reasons your political ideology has been and will continue to be rejected. That doesn't mean you should jump with joy every time some new gizmo comes out, but it does mean you shouldn't ridicule every single new idea based on the fact that it is a new idea.

Harris. Yeah, tax rebates. Without them none of these socalled solutions are cost effective. If everyone installed one the government would be more broke than it is now. Even at $10,000, it would take 16 years to break even - not counting battery replacements (not cheap), financing cost and damaged panels. You have to look at the total cost of ownership, not just the sticker price. Plus I live in in Western PA and its cloudy 90% of the time for half of Fall, all of winter and most of Spring. So odds are I would still need public power. The only experience I have with solar was outside security lighting - the things died after 2 years - battery replacements cost almost as much as new light ($50 each). Tossed em in the trash.

And NEW isnt necessarily stupid but its pretty easy to spot stupid.

The reason why solar and wind arent in widespread use is they are inconvenient and not cost effective. Only the wealthy can afford them as toys to sooth their liberal guilt.

Fusion power? Yeah it would be great if they perfected it. Problem you need more power going in than it produces.

The holy grail or anti-matter power sound good until you think about possible military applications. Anti-matter bombs would be tops on the list every weapons buyer as you can blow up whole countries with no radioactive fallout.

Name,

Then of course that set up won't work, but don't think that the technology is static.

Not very long ago computers were the size of a house, they continually broke down, used the same amount of electricity as a small town, and were good for very few tasks. Who could have imagined sixty years ago what those huge clunky machines would one day become?

Innovators did not begin using computers for mathematic applications because we ran out of pencils and paper, or because the slide rule didn't work anymore.
We didn't stop using the telegraph because it didn't work.
The Stone Age didn't end because we ran out of stones.

We simply found a better way to do things, and we will continue to do so in the future.

"Harris at January 15, 2009 4:31 PM"

HARRIS, you didn't bother to read my post, did you?

Show me where I or someone else said that the "piss battery" would replace the gas engine. What's that? Speak up, boy! Yes, that's right; NO ONE said that, you just made it up.

"hiram,
"You have to keep in mind that one fluid that can be used to activate the battery is urine; it's not the only fluid."

HARRIS;
That's what I TOLD YOU!

This is so unfair!! It will be so much more difficult for women to pee in that thing than men! No fair! This is sexism, obviously...an evil plot to keep women from using batteries.

hmmmmm.....

*sigh*

It's like trying to teach chimps to fly the space shuttle.

Sorry, guys. I am off my meds today.

The pharmacy was supposed to get my lithium carbonate to me but I think that they evaporated because I took off my tinfoil hat for a few seconds to poke my pea brain back inside.

God, IT HURTS!!

GAHHHH!

BURN CORPSES FOR HEAT!

PISS ON YOUR APPLIANCES!

YOU'RE JUST MONKEYS IF YOU DON'T!

Sorry, meds...

Science are bad!

New thangs is stupid! We don't be likin' new thangs 'round here! We jes reads us thuh Bible, and we pray to our Lord Baby Jaysus!

We sholl is glad Van Helsang be tellin' us what tuh thank about all these thangs, 'cause we jes don't know mos thuh time whut tuh make uh all this here stuff.

Praise Jaysus!

The battery doesn't hold a charge for very long. I don't see what's so innovative about it unless you agree with the premiss that it's good for the planet. Is that what you think is so innovative about it Harris? Looks pretty crappy otherwise.

It's too bad they don't each pure unadulterated sciences like physics anymore. Adulterated political science seems to be all the rage. A-la Gore. Nobody sits down to do the thermodynamic arithmetic. This battery is Snake oil. The electrolyte is not the energy. The Nernst equations. This is a redox reaction. From whence did the energy cometh? Lets say the electrodes are Zinc and Copper. Or steel and Manganese, or Carbon and Zinc. How much energy did it take to reduce the electrodes to the metal state? Or, the "rust" or Nickel Sulfide/oxide to their "pure" reduced states?? I can assure you that it took more energy to reduce the electrodes of these cells, than they could ever yield back. Not to mention all the plastic, the glitz, the labeling, the transportation costs. Its a Money-battery: for moonbattery, for sure!

This is like the plug-in car. Let's say that we had the miracle battery that can store as much energy as a tank of iso-octane, and be recharged as fast as the gas pump can refill a tank. Where did the energy come from? Electricity! Where did the electricity come from? Electrons in motion. These electrons don't move unless they are motivated. This force, in this real world comes from: The "evil?" reduction of Oxygen and the oxidation of Carbon (as in a coal fired power plant). Running secondly, the "evil" fission of a Uranium atom ( in a nuclear powered plant) Also, gaining popularity The oxidation of carbon bound hydrogen. Octane by the way, binds hydrogen more efficiently than any other method we've been charged to think up. 8 carbons bind 18 hydgrogen. >18% efficiency! What is the usual missed consideration: It takes a watts to move watts. The basic physics. The laws of thermodynamics for laymen:

I. You can't win.
II. You can't break even.
III. You can't even get out of the game.

If you sit down an look at our current demand for petroleum and said we wanted tomorrow, to make all cars plug-in electric, and we had the "perfect" secondary storage battery that could be charged with in the equivalent time: We would need to more than treble our name plate electrical generating and distribution capacity. Around 2, perhaps 3 terrawatts. The cleanest way about 400-1000 new 1 .2 GW nuclear power plants. Or, do like we used to do: Or, what China is now doing: Exploit the cornucopia resources that humanity has been granted. This earth is a perfect carbonaceous chondrite revolving around a yellow dwarf neutron star that emits more hydrogen than it fuses, this earth and its planets, were concreted wet, condensed after the solar supernova, 50% of its mass is oxygen. We aren't going to run out. The carbon cycle is not evil. The ignorance and vanity of humanity to think its able to harm this system is The Evil. Evil are the unclothed emperors that call this natural order evil, those attempting to tax it are evil. Veins of coal that man did not ignite are burning on every continent of this globe. Man did not ignite them, nor have we the ability to put them out. This was, has been, and always will be the order. We need a reality check here.

Let's see: Without the numbers just for the heck of it, because I'm tired. We make hydrochloric acid, from electrolysis of molten sodium chloride, etc. (A few kJ there) combine it with Magnesite.(a few KJ to mine and transport) Release CO2. Get magnesium chloride, raise it to the melting point, (a few kJ there): Apply an electric charge to the melt(a few more kJ there). (You do get the chlorine back) Isolate the metal, machine it into ribbons(a few kJ there). Wrap it around a piece of evil carbon(a few kJ there). Package it. A few kJ there) Piss on it 4 or 5 times, Get 2.5 AH back, perhaps. About 7-10 KJ, tops. ButL How many kilojoules to reduce the magnesium? Behind the scenes: From an energy perspective, humanity and the earth are way better off without this invention.

Ponder: How many moonbatteries like this can the $820,000,000,000.00 green job initiative produce?

Given the need for a Moonbattery Works Administration, that will be about 10% efficient?