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We had the very same 'postracial politics' from the Reverend Joseph E. Lowery at the Obama Coronation, perhaps toned down a wee.

I think there must be some kind of checklist of requirements for someone to become a professional gangsta rapper.
It would be something like:
1. Either drop out of school by no later than the 8th grade, or at least demonstrate a vocabulary and understanding of the English language (Not to mention understanding of all other subjects) that would make people assume you did.
2. Play the race card every single chance you can get, yet also make a point of saying the "N" word every 5- 10 seconds in your speeches and songs.
3. Going along with Requirement #2, make a point of accusing every prominent white person you know of racism and talking about how racism against blacks is hurting the community, yet encourage blatant racism against whites by calling them things like "Honky" and "Cracker."
4. Lament the problems suffered by the black community (Which are indeed real and serious) right before singing songs that glamorize violence, murder, promiscuous sex, and drug use (In other words, the things which cause many of the biggest problems plaguing the black community).

From My Turn, Newsweek, Rev. Chris Buice:

"Shall we meet hate with hate?" that has been a recurring question throughout history and, recently, a personal one for me. On a Sunday morning last July, a man walked into the sanctuary of my church, took a shotgun out of a guitar case and opened fire on a room of unarmed men, women and children. Two precious people, Greg McKendry and Linda Kraeger, lost their lives. Six others were injured. Our entire community was traumatized.

According to a manifesto in his handwriting, the alleged assailant reportedly wrote of his hatred for liberals, whom he believed were soft on terror. He was in for a surprise. Members of our congregation rushed forward and tackled the shooter. Others acted instantly to guide children to safety, call police and emergency assistance, care for the wounded and counsel those in grief and shock.

This misguided man may have picked our congregation because we call ourselves a liberal church. In our church, the word "liberal" is meant to describe whom we include, not whom we exclude. The children in our congregation say these words in chapel services: "Ours is the church of the loving heart, open mind and helping hands." Our understanding of liberalism speaks to a generosity of spirit that transcends partisan politics. Sadly, though, the word "liberal" has become demonized. The man accused of the shootings owned books by popular media personalities who vilify liberals as evil, unpatriotic, godless and treasonous. I think our country needs to reclaim the word from those who defame it. Far from being evil, we liberals aspire to overcome evil with good. If you walk into a liberal church and open fire on its members, we will still defend your right to due process, access to an attorney and a fair trial.

The trial for the man accused of attacking our church is set for March 16. A reporter asked me what results I would like to see from our day in court. "Justice," I said. The follow-up question was predictable: "What does justice look like?" "A community," I replied, "where our children are safe." After the incident, everyone in our town felt as if the children of our church were their children. For weeks, people would stop me to ask, "How are the children doing?" Fortunately, none of them was injured in body. We continue to work on healing the spirit, and healing has its own timetable. A miracle story in the Bible is that of Jesus walking on the water. A miracle in my time has been witnessing the young and the old, the wounded and the whole, walking into our sanctuary without bitterness or resentment.

Of course, the question keeps coming back: "Shall we return hatred for hatred?" Anyone who has endured a brutal act of violence will know the temptation. Our congregation's experience, however, offers a cautionary tale. The man who brought violence to our church hated liberals. But in his desire to defeat terrorism he became a terrorist himself.

I have tried to use the power of the pulpit to advocate for a better way. I have told my congregation, "The man who attacked our church is in prison, but we do not have to remain prisoners of our own anger. Without denying the reality of our feelings in the present, we can be open to the possibility that one day we will be able to lay down our burden and say, in the words of the old African-American spiritual, 'We are free at last'."

Since that terrible day, people have flooded our church with immeasurable amounts of love. Postcards, letters, banners and artwork have come to us from across the nation and from many other countries. Our little town on the banks of the Tennessee River was once the site for the 1982 World's Fair, and it remains surprisingly diverse today. On the night after the violence there was a gathering in the Presbyterian church next door, where we were hugged and held by our neighbors of all faiths and convictions—Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, rationalists and more. For years, there has been a sign at the entrance of our church that reads EVERYONE WELCOME, and we do mean everyone. All God's children. The sign is still there.

Members of my congregation have been hurt. But we have also been healed by the feeling that there is a love greater than our theological differences, a compassion that is not limited by the boundaries of any creed. I firmly believe, now more than ever, that love is stronger than death. Love is more powerful than hate.

Buice is minister of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist church in Knoxville.

**As a member of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, I want to echo our good Rev's words. You can keep posting hateful websites like this, and wish harm upon us, and we will continue to pray that you live lives of joy and prosperity.

May your lives all be long and merry, and may you some day find the peace that exists within us all, and which I assure you, you have just as much access to as we do.

God Bless.

Marie, that's an absolutely beautiful sentiment. What unites us is greater then what divides us. We disagree how to get there, but I think most of the people here want what is best for everyone.

"You can keep posting hateful websites like this..."

Posted by: Marie at January 23, 2009

I see the word "hateful" posted a lot by some offended visitors to this site. What exactly is so hateful about a website that identifies moonbat stupidity?

"cbischof at January 23, 2009 12:21 PM"

Agreed.

MARIE, we have DENOUNCED hate and violence on this site several times while self-proclaimed Liberals have posted EXCUSING such acts as long as it furthered THEIR cause. We have even gotten threats of violent revolution from these posters.

You will speak to them, won't you?

Marie

Did you listen to the video? Which one of the bloggers on this site do you think belonged to that voice?

If you are against somebody being critical of that kind of scene on the video, does that imply that you endorse it? Is being critical of those things what you mean by hateful?

This is a conservative website. If you were to walk into a mob carrying pitchforks and torches and screaming in rage as they stormed the castle, would you start giving speeches to those around you about how wonderful the king was? I doubt if anything I write would get favorable comments at the Huff Post.

One does have to admit, you have not hurled the usual insults by calling us names and telling us from some superior height how low and dumb we are.

Why do you assume we are enemies? God bless you too.

"You can keep posting hateful websites like this..."

Sorry Marie, but I too fail to see where the "hateful" is on the website. I am always intrigued at how persons on the liberal side seem to scorn with words such as "hateful", "selfish", and so forth. This when the conservatives don't use any of this to advance their philosophy - that of free enterprise, individual rights (which include civil rights), personal responsibility, and respect to our leaders but not servitude to them. Individual rights, to property, to progress, and to less government don't make one selfish. They make all prosper.

What confuses you people is the lack of distinction between "helping others" and "helping others help themselves". You are bathed in the sentiment that we have to reach out and sing Kumbaya, hold hands, give give give, and ensure that others are "equal".

You fail to understand, that our founding documents spoke of being CREATED equal, not BEING equal. We seek to promote life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness - meaning you have to work for it if you want it, and also meaning that happiness is different things to different people. Some find happiness in doing nothing for themselves, so be it. We don't hate them although we may pity them.

Justice is not "a community were we are safe". Justice is due course on an individual who has infringed upong the RIGHTS of OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

Please, stop holding my hand, I don't need it. Just because I don't want to hold your hand doesn't mean anyone hates you.

Gee, wonder if Young Cheesey has the guts to come to Maryland without his posse and talk this shit to a white man nearly 2x his age, face-to-face, man-to-man?

My guess is no...

Amen AMEN I say, Pete.

SnowSnake speaks true as well. At least Marie is not directly flaming the fires of hatred that consumes the far left. (As Rush says, I've never really known a happy Liberal, there are just too many things to complain about and whine for.) We wish no harm on you, just that you get some sense (and lighten up a bit).

All the oh-so-sensitive lefties who chide Rush and Hannity and Coulter for hate-mongering should shut up and listen to their most vocal: Kos, Huffington, Dowd, Olberman, Air America, Moore, the likes of Rev. Wright...

Such hipocrisy drives me to pray.

Tom Hanks apologizes for calling Prop 8 supporters un-American. That's a very rare gesture, and it should be noted.

Marie you are a knuckle head..... typical characteristic of a moonbat.

Jeezy and Jay Z need to be reminded that their President is half white.

And as hundreds of moonbats dance,prostarte and make offering to their golden calf(OBAMA) they willl soon end up showing off hos stupid they are

MEET THE PRESS–Obama Style

President Barack Hussein Transparency Obama,who had promised a “a new level of transparency” in public life is rapidly retreating to a new level of opaqueness within all of three days into his four year reign.

For those maleducated in American public schools, the word “transparency” in a political context means clarity, openness, honesty, candidness, and visibility as opposed to deceit, artfulness, concealment, secrecy, and opaqueness.

Why anyone would expect Obama to follow through on a pledge of transparency when his entire campaign, from questionable fund raising to his smarmy associations was cloaked in subterfuge and deception is beyond me but a majority of voters still bought into his baloney and voted for the guy.

Go figure but the baloney won’t last the test of time until 2012.

You can take a politician out of Chicago but you can’t take the seamy world of Chicago intrigue and crime out of the politician. Of all Obama’s camp followers, the mainstream media, the MSM, is the first that’s quickly coming to realize that the man is not what he seemed. More precisely, the man is all that he seemed to objective critics, though not to his media lapdogs and therein lay the shocker to them. That media, which never bothered to vet him or insist he serve some meat with his political pap, may be coming to realize he is the ultimate charlatan.

BHM may have been able to fool a press more than willing to be fooled but when he starts messing with their bread and butter, accessibility, the White House Press Corps tends to get downright ornery.

And he has begun messing with that accessibility.

Way back in November, 2007, when Barack Obama was still a “presidential hopeful,” the transparency issue had raised its ugly head with regard to his fund raising secretiveness: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/11/sweet_web_column_obamas_transp.html. That should have been a tipoff but the MSM never ran with it. Lapdogs by definition don’t run with much.

Media-types are somewhat less than pleased when they feel shut out. White House media-types can become all but rabid but instead of frothing in public, they tend to politely vent and save their foamy mouths for more intimate venues and circumstances, such as over a martini at The Reliable Source Bar at the National Press Club in D.C.

They vented at Robert Gibbs,...

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Open racism towards whites... get used to it, cracka.

Marie,

So you assume anytime anyone disagrees with a liberal position it is "hate." I fear that is the direction we are going. Soon Moonbattery might be removed fer being "divisive" (meaning disagreeing with Obama). When hateful speech is coming from the left it's protected "because even when something is unpleasant we have to let it be heard," according to my lefty friends. Now they aren't saying that too often. Marie, did you know a "hate crime" is actually a thought crime? Did you know you can disagree with a liberal and also be a loving person? Probably a more loving person. Since I got mugged by reality, I have found conservatives to be friendly, happier, more pleasant to be around, more tolerant and open minded than any of my liberal friends. This site is a discussion, done with humor and intelligence, thanks to Van Helsing. If you want to see a hate site, I recommend that you check out the Daily Kos, the Huffington Post and Al Jazeera. Marie, you should do a bit more reading and study.

Marie, I must thank you for at least posting such a civil response. Most of the people who come here and criticize this site are extremely rude about it. So, it is a breath of fresh air that you remain polite. However, there are a few things you must understand, which I will try to express as politely as I can:
1. The man who engaged in such a horrible incident at your church was a fanatic, hardly representative of conservatives as a whole. I condemn his actions, and I'm sure everyone else here would do the same. Both sides have their extremists. The right does its best to distance themselves from extremists, condemn their actions, and point out that such people do not represent them as a whole, because we recognize such people as psychos and embarassments of the parties/ values they claim to represent.
2. While Van Helsing's rhetoric can get fiery at times, this site is NOT about promoting hatred of liberals as a whole. It is about highlighting the amusing or infuriating actions of the left's extremist fringe, aka moonbats. Those who we criticize here are not the sensible, tolerant liberals like you (Or like my best friend Jon, for that matter); They are the left's radicals, who encourage hatred of conservatives, violence against them (Or rather, with some moonbats, cowardice and submission in the face of our nation's enemies), and the forced imposition of their own agenda on society as a whole, even when such agendas are contrary to the wishes or best interests of the majority of society. These extremists are frequently ignored or givena pass by the mainstream media, so it is sites like this one which seek to expose them and reveal to the public their deranged words and actions that the media won't touch. For an example of the moonbats we rip here, a few months ago, we made several threads ripping the anarchist groups that caused such chaos at the Republican National Convention. Those people were extremists who were filled with hatred and bloodlust, and engaged in as much rioting, vandalism and violence (Including terrorizing and physically attacking innocent civilians, such as children and the elderly) as they could, determined to turn St. Paul into a war zone. However, in spite of all the havoc they caused, much of the mainstream media deliberately neglected to cover what the anarchists did, and on the rare occasions when the media did mention them, it was usually just as a way of criticizing the St. Paul police for alleged "cruelty" or "oppressiveness," with little or no mention of all the violence and destruction that the anarchists brought about. So, since they wouldn't talk about it, WE did. In our threads, we highlighted the lawless, cowardly actions of those lunatics, and expressed our anger at both them, and to a lesser extent the St. Paul police force which we felt definitely needed to keep the anarchist rioters on a much shorter leash to protect the innocent people and property that they targeted (i.e. One police officer was quoted as saying that their policy towards the rioters wasn't really about actually stepping in and trying to stop them, but more about just trying to enclose them and lessen how much damage they were able to do).
3. We do NOT "Wish harm" on you. We are sensible conservatives who can easily tolerate those who are capable of peacefully and rationally disagreeing with us, which is more than can be said for many of the moonbats whom we highlight on this site.
Again, thank you for remaining so civil, Marie, and may God bless you.

Oh, and to add to what puffdaddy said, if you're interested in seeing what a real "Hate site" looks like, I would strongly suggest paying a visit to Democratic Underground.

Obama Sides With Bush in Spy Case

Change we can believe in!

It's only four days and now this.
Maybe we should just stop paying taxes for the next four years. It may be the only way to lessen the destruction Obama is obviously bent on doing.

just got banned at huffpo - I am soooo proud!! It took a full 5 minutes; was starting to get frustrated. that site is so full of HATE and idiocy it is awesome in its depth and breadth. go take a peek and let me know which side is deranged and needs counsel.

Listen to the comments of Robert Reich and Charlie Rangle. It's ALL about skin color.

Also, think back to that Kramer guy (Michael something-or-other). His tirade was totally in appropriate and he (rightly) will never work again. Jazzy Jayzee Juicy (or whatever) can TOTALLY spew racist remarks and he's a hero.

Bigotry is bigotry. Race baiting is race baiting. Your true colors are now showing for all to see, even if the MSM won't cover it.

It seems that the impossible would happen that Obama would screw up the oath since he is so articulate and careful and well prepared. This has been carefully documented by Rush among others. In this video, Obama demonstrated with this put together clip this precision of speech.

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/barack_obama_world_s_biggest_idiot_exposed_by_limbaugh/

"This has been carefully documented by Rush among others"

You serious?

Never mind... forget I asked.

"It would also seem that some blogs also provide the illusion of "engagement" for those who are without insight, wisdom or any observable personal "power" to feel as though their voices matter... as though they themselves actually matter in the great scheme of things. The uglier and more outrageous their words, the more significant they feel. It is their only defense against their inevitable final destination, death and oblivion, where they are quickly forgotten before the flesh has fallen from their bones "

Have a nice day.

i say we of the right should, at every opportunity, love on pobama twice as much as the left loved on "w"! my new mantra...well, until they come haul me off to the gulag...

Oh, Marie, using the one attack (reprehensible as it was) to show, oh hell, who the hell cares. Do the atheists (who I have a lot more respect that you UU's) say God Bless, too? And for you who are attempting to be civil with Marie, screw it, it's wasted. If experience is any teacher, peeps like Marie just 6 days ago were REALLY hating on Bush and any other "winger" they could hate on. She's a snake. Don't fall for it.

did he say "my prezident is black"? ...Knickerbocker please!

Nardon;

Kudos and applause! That was one of the best descriptions of DailyKos, Huffpo, DU, and, well, pretty much ALL of the liberal blogs. Hats off to you!

USEFUL IDIOTS - this group is made up of the dumber than usual.

Cheez Whiz or whatever he calls himself is the puppet, The Dems control the strings. Racial tension was dying almost to the point the Dems were losing votes. Obama is the USEFUL IDIOT they needed to fire it back up. These halfwit rappers and the like are the TOOLS.

Nardon Speaks

"Undoubtedly, hiram, it applies some of those on the liberal blogs as well, as they are also merely human and susceptible to the usual defects, but it is the so called "right" that persists in believing it is so very relevant, when it is more and more obvious to those who seek the truth, that this form of thinking, born of the defeat of the southern United States, many, many years ago, in it's great Civil War, which, being very traumatic and therefore having effects lasting very much into the present, (as well as the just plain hating people who are not like them) is, however, now officially dead, as are it's last adherents... (they just have not yet realized it) ... they will go to their graves, like a form of compost in an organic garden, to produce, from what was before something cast off, as refuse, into something new and ..."funky". The death of the decayed and extreemely boring white, "christian", (yet surprisingly unchristian) culture, is quite welcome to those who wish to feel the universe unfold, gloriously, before their eyes and to embrace the new millennium of multi cultural life, hopefully including more belly dancers and fewer fat frizzy haired blonds wearing pink sweatshirts with teddybears and american flags on them ... "

Okay, so much for substance. So much for integrity. So much for character. So much for anything other than race. The president is black, and that's all that matters.

It's going to be a long four years.

@ Nardon

1) The southern, slave owning, bigots were democrats. Please don't strain yourself looking it up.

2) To the human element of mental masturbation I propose the un-proposed mental and physical lugubrious journey of nonsensical words stung together in un-poetic, un-harmoniousness of inaction to make my post sound like something meaningful when it is non other than a basket full of chickens siting in the shade after eating sushi.

FIN.

I've been critical on this site before, but I don't see much hate on THIS page.
I think marie is trying pretty hard.
You need to reconsider what calling someone 'stupid' or a 'moonbat' actually does to further your own vision. It might be entertaining, but it might also be sort of hateful and unhelpful. You might just be hurting your own chances to make a change for the better. It can be percieved as hate.
Same goes for the liberals, for everyone.
Good job! Some of these comments are great. But this site is more than conservatism in my mind, sorry :) Its about

Ummm... hateful? Maybe a little.

You guys tend to slip pretty easily from legitimate criticism to crippling overgeneralization pretty easily.

For example, I agree black culture is self-destructive and racist. You guys generally don't have a problem using that with a broad brush to insult all black people; that I don't agree with.

You guys are talking amongst yourself (and we're intruding, welcome to the internet!) so I can give you some slack, but there is a bit of hate in the air here.

Why would there be hate in the air if people weren't hating on us?

I have nothing against any other person on this planet based on their skin color, but right now whites are the "new niggers" and they have no where to hide. I'm sure that makes some people happy but Auschwitz made some people happy too.

Messed up world we live in.

Obamessiah miffed that reporters now asking him actual questions

President Obama made a surprise visit to the White House press corps Thursday night, but got agitated when he was faced with a substantive question.

Asked how he could reconcile a strict ban on lobbyists in his administration with a Deputy Defense Secretary nominee who lobbied for Raytheon, Obama interrupted with a knowing smile on his face.

"Ahh, see," he said, "I came down here to visit. See this is what happens. I can't end up visiting with you guys and shaking hands if I'm going to get grilled every time I come down here."

Pressed further by the Politico reporter about his Pentagon nominee, William J. Lynn III, Obama turned more serious, putting his hand on the reporter's shoulder and staring him in the eye.

"Alright, come on" he said, with obvious irritation in his voice. "We will be having a press conference at which time you can feel free to [ask] questions. Right now, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to you guys - that's all I was trying to do."

AP reports 5000 pro-lifers as just three blocks worth

If there is any doubt about which side professes and promotes hate, its the liberal side hands down.

Here, let me share with you a genuine exchange between two libs I found on facebook photo section of one of my distant lib friends, just yesterday. It is an testament to both stupidity and downright hate.

------ ------ at 2:11pm January 23
I love this shot. The way the guy on top is visually connecting with the girl smiling at the bottom... it's how people were that day everywhere on the mall.

----- ------ at 6:44pm January 23
Me Too! Great Photos! Thanks for sharing!!! What a remarkable Week it has been!!! He's gotten down to BUSINESS!!! Seems like he's done more good in less then a week then Bush did in 8 yrs!!!!!

Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”" oy.

Pete:

How is that hateful in any way?

It's a bit ditzy and self congratulatory. It's an insult against Bush, clearly, but you can't deny a lot of negative things have happened in the past 8 years.

Posted by: Pete at January 24, 2009 7:52 AM

Facebook is funny. I've actually connected with and become Facebook buddies with a guy I never even met in high school because of our mutual non-membership in the New Age Cult of the Dear One.

"but you can't deny a lot of negative things have happened in the past 8 years"

And from WHO have those negative things been coming from, anonymous?

Did Bush cut peoples heads off?
Did Bush raise taxes?
Did Congress deny or authorize Bush's entry into Iraq?
Did Bush order people to get into mortgages they can't afford?
Did Bush order brokers to offer mortgages they can't their money back on?
Did Bush sit on his rump when we were attacked?
Was it Bush who said, things are bad we should get out of battle lets cut and run?
Did Bush tell New Orleans residents to stay home and don't worry about personal responsibility?

You people are amazing.

Nardon;

Again, love it. Absolutely the best extreme satire since Oscar Wilde suggested the Irish eat their children.

The pointed slap at libs who hate southerners is especially good; calling the south "dead" when it's actually probably the only part of the country that will weather the upcoming depression well, as it is "rising again"... this time economically. Of course you're aware it's no accident that auto manufacturers who establish plants here in the US do so in the south, not in the enlightened (and union-infested) north. Atlanta, once burned to it's foundations, has become a great city of opportunity and wealth.

Also, the constant use of 'death' imagery when feigning the position of those who profess peace, tolerance. and love is absolutely brilliant! Not to mention the quotes around the whole thing, as if it's a proclamation from 'on high', with the snide self-superiority that accompanies most moonbat thought processes.

Again, oustanding parody of the left! Absolutely outstanding!

To all who persist in blaming/hating the south and her people:

GO [CENSORED] YOURSELVES!

Traitorous John Murtha wants to relocate Gitmo to Southwestern PA. Im fine with that as long as weekly hunts are held in local gamelands and they wear bright orange jumpsuits.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2169148/posts

"Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., says he'd be willing to house prisoners from Guantanamo Bay in his congressional district if President Obama makes good on a plan to close the U.S. prison there.

As one of his first acts in office, the president circulated a draft Wednesday that would shut down Guantanamo Bay within a year.

Murtha only has a minimum security prison in his district. But he says he'd have no reservations about holding detainees there in a maximum security prison.

"Sure, I'd take 'em," said Murtha, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war. "They're no more dangerous in my district than in Guantanamo.""

Chris "Tingly Leg" Matthews: "What would be wrong with show trials or witch hunts of Bush Administration officials?"

Hiram, I agree, Nardon's parody of an Obamamoonie Death Cultist is spot on.

Whats the best way to deal with Gitmo prisoners? Put them on a boat, sail it thru the Bermuda Triangle and.... well, you know ships do vanish mysteriously there. Problem solved and it would save the taxpayers billions of dollars.

Plan B: Put them on a decommissioned US warship and send it into Cuban waters (using remote controls) automatically fire its deck guns at the Cubans and let the Cuban Navy deal with them.

Plan C: Put them on an Island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and train them to push a button every 108 minutes and tell the the Island will explode if they dont. That should keep them busy.

Gitmo prisoners? Give each of them one cyanide pill and then play translations of Obama's and Biden's speeches over and over around the clock for a few months on a loudspeaker they can't turn off or down. If anybody complains, throw in a couple of Hillary's. It would be inhumane to make them listen to Olbermann or Mathews and I wouldn't wish that on any living being.

If you have video monitoring, you would have a tape of them voluntarily taking the pill.

Something Is Amok with the (Florida) SunSentinel.com

Less than 3 months after Florida voters resoundingly defeated gay marriage in the Sunshine State comes this item from SunSentinel.com: “Let Gays Marry, Adopt, Have Civil Unions, Most Floridians Say [emphasis added]: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/sfl-flbgay0123sbjan23,0,76194.story.

That emphasis was added due to the content of the article which goes on to say, according to a Quinnipiac poll, that 27-35% of all surveyed voters endorsed all those demands of the LGBT, Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgendered community.

First and foremost, even 35% can hardly be construed as constituting most Floridians, unless there’s some new math out there which equates one-third with a majority.

Secondly, there must have been a mass upheaval over a very short timespan in the thinking of Floridians regarding gay adoption if, again according to Quinnipiac and SunSentinel.com, 55% now oppose the state law prohibiting such adoptions. (Older, Republican, poorer, and less educated voters are said to be the bigoted culprits who still believe in traditional morality.)

Of course, depending on the poll-takers and the wording of poll questions, any poll can be skewed and that could explain Quinnipiac’s results but nothing can explain SunSentinel.com’s interpreting and reporting that a minority of Floridians means “most Floridians say.”

My personal suspicion is that an LGBT constituent is the headline writer for the Sun Sentinel.
(http://genelalor.com/)

Pete:

You didn't answer the question. How is an off-the-cuff insult about Bush's effectiveness in office "hateful"?

As for Gitmo, I'm really surprised by Americans sometimes. Remember the Founding Fathers? Everybody loves them. Well, as they showed in their lives, and as Obama mentioned in his inaugural speech, sometimes our principles are worth more then our lives. If people are threatening us, we certainly don't roll over and passively accept it, but neither do we become brutes and savages. We use the law, both our law and international law (where its not crazy) to isolate, identify, and punish the law breakers in the full light of day and before the eyes of the world.

Anonymous at January 24, 2009 4:34 PM

Yessiry. We did have a little problem with terrorists in our history. They were called Indians. They killed some people and mutilated some bodies and probably had no other way to effectively fight massive numbers and technological advantages. If you read a little history, you will see how we handled them. It was about as brutal and vicious as any people have ever treated another people. We wiped out whole villages, hung them, killed babies, starved them, and marched them in groups across the country with women and children and the old dying and dropping dead along hundreds of miles of trail.

So actually, we do act like brutes and savages if you look at our history and go back as far as the founding fathers.

I think some of those Indians would have thought nonlethal waterboarding a downright friendly gesture compared to what we actually did.

This is not a recommendation of this kind of behavior--but it is a warning to those who might misread us. We are very capable of getting about as ugly and vicious as any group of humans that has ever been on the planet. Watch what happens if we loose about 30 million people to some act of terror. You really think we will stop to be nice "in the full light of day before the eyes of the world"?

Remember the Founding Fathers?
Posted by: Anonymous at January 24, 2009 4:34 PM

No. But I've studied them.

Fitting Obama paraphernelia - heroin

Police bust Sullivan ring dealing 'Obama' heroin

A total of five men and women were arrested Wednesday night following a three-month investigation, during which undercover police purchased decks of heroin from street dealers. Undersheriff Eric Chaboty said the dealers were selling heroin in towns that stretched from Monticello to Livingston Manor.

The alleged dealers were pushing a variety of heroin that they called "Obama."

it's going to get windy in nantucket sound - take that teddicus chappaquidicus!

Irony - journalists get tossed out of UN meeting on freedom of expression

Isn't it ironic? The journos were at the public session working on a documentary about how human rights are being debated in the United Nations. It should come as no surprise that their ejection was demanded by representatives of the Organization of Islamic Conference and African Union.

I didn't touch that anon, because you had already answered your own question:

"It's an insult against Bush, clearly..."

How fitting - Obama's team redirects all President Bush searches to Obama... But also gets all searches for "miserable failure"

Well, they’re redirecting now. Any request for Bush’s old biography that was here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

is now being redirected to Obama’s biography here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/president_obama/

For the real tech nerds out there, the redirect is a 301 “permanent” one, which means the White House is explicitly telling search engines that the old Bush biography has now been permanently replaced by Barack Obama’s page.

As a result, Obama now inherits all the links containing anchor text with the words “miserable failure” in them. IE, all those links are acting as votes saying that Obama should rank well for those words.

Ugh. Over at Google, almost exactly two years ago, they put in a fix to solve the Googlebombing issue. That dropped Bush out of the top results for those two words (and thus is still keeping Obama out), but then he came back up for the single word failure.

"We use the law, both our law and international law (where its not crazy) to isolate, identify, and punish the law breakers in the full light of day and before the eyes of the world.
..."

From the Founding Fathers to today, we've managed to encarcerate Japanese Americans, wipe out Indians, enslave Africans, alienate Spanish Mexicans, bomb entire cities, take out foreign leaders, keep land won in the spoils of war, and kill tens of thousands of our own countrymen to preserve the Union.

Don't give me that moral high ground bullshit. "The eyes of the world" fear us. Thats how we roll. Go sing Kumbaya somewhere else.

"Remember the Founding Fathers? Everybody loves them. Well, as they showed in their lives, and as Obama mentioned in his inaugural speech, sometimes our principles are worth more then our lives. If people are threatening us, we certainly don't roll over and passively accept it, but neither do we become brutes and savages."

Having someone bomb our people, cities, and buildings is NOT "law breaking", it is war.

We have weapons, aircraft, soldiers, and ships that are capable of obliterating another country. And we use them when we have to, SAVAGELY AND BRUTALLY, because that is how a war is fought. We win a war by making the OTHER poor bastard die for their country.

Man you guys are dumb.

Our principles are NOT worth more than our lives, when our lives and freedom are at stake. This is equivalent to the old adage that it is better to die standing in freedom, than to live kneeling in servitude. "Give me liberty or give me death" remember that?

I urge you to listen to Ronald Reagan "Time To Choose".

And please, step away from the Kool Aid.

To add to Burning Hot's post above -

Hey, remember the Bush “miserable failure” Googlebomb? It still works at Yahoo!!!!

MAKE SURE YOU use Yahoo to find “miserable failure” and CHOOSE the OBAMA WH PAGE LINK as often as you feel the need, to ensure that Obama is recognized for what he is. This will make sure that Obama remains linked to the term.

The below article was on Freepers -

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RedState ^ | January 24, 2009 | Moe Lane

Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:13:43 PM by BAW

Guess what happened when we switched Presidents Tuesday?

Yup, it’s now triggering Obama. At least on Yahoo; Google fixed this problem a while back, although if I understand this fellow correctly Obama’s bio is going to be increasingly linked with “failure” until everything’s resolved. There’s a certain air of “the President’s tech team should have been on top of this:” I dunno if that’s fair. At any rate, Google’s going to go back in and fix this again - probably with the help of the aforementioned tech team.

And that’s pretty much the point of this post: I just felt like pointing out that if you played Googlebombing games with Bush’s name, congratulations: you’ve helped ensure that the Obama administration has more, fairly tedious work to do.

Oh, and Gays still can not legally marry in CA because Black, Hispanic and Asian Democratic Party Voters do not want them to. They voted against the gays but for Obama. Go figure that one.

// I didn't touch that anon, because you had already answered your own question:

"It's an insult against Bush, clearly..."

....

Have you read this blog? If insults are your standard of hate there's a whole page full right here.

// Having someone bomb our people, cities, and buildings is NOT "law breaking", it is war.

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We also have laws for war, you know. Yeah, yeah, I know we can get nasty. We should, where appropriate. I'm just trying to say we shouldn't be petty jackasses about it.

And, really, thirty million people? Are you nuts? That's not a terrorist act, that's a nuclear exchange with China or a slipped biological from... anywhere, really.

Anonymous at January 25, 2009 12:45 AM

" thirty million people? Are you nuts?"

No. Why do you think terrorists have a limit?

An aerosol of plutonium or a bioengineered human transmitted virus/bacteria combo released into the jet stream as well as a couple of others that nobody has talked about yet (I don't see a good reason to mention the specifics), can cause casualties in that range. It doesn't have to be China. We've educated enough Muslim fanactics in our own graduate schools so that with a little financing (we'd probably do that too) they could put together what they need to accomplish this.

We produced all the little enzymes and genetic tools and markers and lab equipment for the one trick and will happily sell them to anybody. For the other, it doesn't have to be plutonium (any strong alpha emitter will work if you can powder it for an aerosol), and of course the weather maps for jet streams are just a click away. It is also no problem to pick up some helium and weather balloons. You know helium is great for birthday parties and can make you sound like Donald Duck--easy to get.

Everybody still comfortable with Iran's centrifuges running around the clock and the hundreds of pretty damn bright biochem/bacteriology/bioengineers we've educated and sent back to Iran?

"Anonymous at January 25, 2009 12:45 AM"

Well, what do you want us to do? We are now fighting a "touchy-feely" war where Liberals are afraid of hurting terrorists' feelings and it's going to drag on forever! The political interferance durring the Viet Nam War was a textbook-perfect military campaign by comparison.

KHarn:

Ah, good question. One of your assumptions about this "war" is that we can somehow go into a place, kill all the troublemakers, and grind our bootheel down hard enough to keep any more from rising. The problem is, that isn't a realistic goal.

The British Empire was built on this principle. They made it work for over a hundred years. However, as you are now currently sitting in the United States of America, you know full well some of the reasons it failed.

First of all, the world is a bring place, and even the full resources of the US isn't enough to supress things everywhere. This is where "international will" is important, to help us leverage other countries into joining in.

Secondly, you can't selectively kill evil-doers with a military. Without making other judgements, the US is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan. This causes outrage amongst their families and countrymen, and you create more terrorist support. Possibly you create more then you destroyed.

The one thing you can do is to set up a government that gives privileges to a minority to keep them interested in perpetuating the forced system of order. That's precisely how we got Sadam Hussein in the first place. The thing is, it worked to some extent; he was far too interested in maintaining his own power, gassing northern separatists and having spats with Iran to bother with terrorizing us. Now that we knocked him out of power, Iraq is the #1 recruiting ground for Al Queda.

What to do then?

Work with the international community to economically isolate places that support terrorrism.

Improve our image so that less people are mad enough to pursue terrorrism against us.

Use legal methods shut down terrorist funding operations. For example, I read a story a while back where Palestine was being funded in part by cigarette smuggling over state lines in the US.

Use limited military operations against specific targets. Harder to do these days with terrorists operating out of schools and hospitals, but that feeds back to an image concern.

Use our laws correctly when we do capture a target. Why not; the guilty will be happy enough to confess their full involvement. Then drop them in jail and let them linger in obscurity for the rest of their lives.

Encourage internal change. This is the hardest one to do, since for this we almost have to rely on socialist countries. However, internal change will be the only lasting change possible. I predict (with regret) that the democratic government we imposed on Iraq will fail within one generation.

The analogy I use is: What if a 200 year early EU had landed peacekeepers to stop the American civil war? Sure, it would have stopped one of the bloodiest chapters in American history. However, how well would either side have received them? And how lasting would those changes have been? It was something we had to do for ourselves.

Actually, the Nations of Europe did quite a bit to get involved in our Civil War. All wanted a prime economic trading position after the war ended, no matter what the outcome. Your analogy is very poorly presented.

That's fair...

Ok, let's say that the EU sent military forces into the US for the best reason you can think of... aliens taking over the government or something. Even with the best possible reason, how would the average citizen respond?

"The British Empire was built on this principle."

DUMMY, we are not trying to build an empire. That is something entirely diffrent.

What we should have done:

1. Invade.
2. Destroy their ability or will to wage war.
3. Leave when things are more or less stableized.

That stratigy has worked for thousands of years and is the only "exit straigy" worth a damn. Idiots like yourself who boo-hoo about terrorists and criticize America's defence are encouraging the enemy and KEEPING THE WAR GOING. Your kind (Backed by communists) did this durring the Viet Nam War and made the world think America is weak and cowardly. That is why we are in this war today!

Since I don't have experience with the tactics of empires, I'll let the Roman general Tacitus answer that one:

"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace."

The problem with that strategy is that if we simply collapsed Iraq and left, Iran would march in and take over. We don't like Iran and so we don't want them to do that.

Also, I thought that was we were doing? Things are stable now (more or less) and so we're leaving. It was conservatives who wanted to stay there for a hundred years or more.

And while we're at it, let's look at Vietnam. We lost. After we left, they started a reform movement which the US then supported. Now they're a success story.

Vietnam is a success story? Yeah, sure if you want to live in a communist country where everything you do is dictated by the state. There poverty is a way of life.

The big lie that conservatives want to stay in Iraq for 100 years was when McCain was pointing out the absurdity of setting an arbitrary timeline, so he said, then why not 100 years? Truth is Bush said long ago we should leave Iraq ASAP as soon the country is stable. Now they are holding free elections this month once again and the Iraqi military is handling most security. Proving that Islam and democracy are compatible. Liberal Moonbats would rather Saddam Hussein still be in charge, murdering hundreds of thousands in secret filling killing fields, engaging in real torture (feeding people to lions, hanging them from the ceiling until dead, dissolving them in acid, ect) and lastly fulfilling his plan to get even with America (which even Putin admitted (in 2004) that Saddam was trying to find a way to attack America - google it if you dont believe me).

http://www.theodora.com/wfbcurrent/vietnam/vietnam_economy.html

Population below poverty line:
19.5%

In the US its listed as 12%.

Huh, you're right about Putin.

The reason I'm dubious about pure intentions of the US in Iraq is Haiti. It's a lot closer to the US, has had a long string of dictators, and is far smaller and easier to help. Things there are so bad that a number of people are literally eating dirt (that also contains edible moss) and even that's getting too expensive for some.