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Actually, burial is a way to fight terrorists. What you do is get a big herd of pigs where you have problems with Islamic terrorists. You cultivate a field of pig shit. Any terrorist that is killed is buried with his soles pointed at Mecca in a casket lined with pig skin full of pig shit in the field of pig shit. This is made very public so that any terrorist that commits suicide or is killed during a terrorist act has knowingly chosen this burial. Let the terrorist explain on judgement day why he chose to meet Allah in such a state.

I have no problem with moonbat cemeteries. In fact, I'm eager to see them get all the business they can accommodate.

SnowSnake I had a similar idea like yours. Instead of pig shit why don't we bury the terrorist muslims with the carcases of a pigs.

Another idea I have is for the demonstrators that run into the streets with their angry muslim chants. Drop pig entrails on them blood and all! Sur would like to see their reaction.

Lets destroy the planet with garbage and pollution. Its our right!!!! Screw science and future generations. We'll all be dead!
[wingnut "logic"]

Let's post complete non-sequiturs in a thread to see if we get a rise out of the other side!!! It makes us cool!!! Then, we can rant hysterically like Chicken Little about the sky falling if we don't destroy ourselves to 'save the planet'!

[moonbat "logic"}

I have told my family many many times that I would like to be buried in a natural fashion like the way your post talks about. I am not not a moonbat or a Native American or a hippie, it just fits me better than being put in a satin-lined, brass-plated, lacquered box that will be lowered into a concrete vault. My shroud can be a $15 sleeping bag from Wal-Mart for all I care, but I do want a tree planted over my bones, preferably a live oak.

Live and let live.
To each his own.
The world don't move to the beat of just one drum, what might be right for you may not be right for some.

How many of the people who opposed the burial site due to water supply concerns have septic tanks? Or have buried pets on their property?

How many of those who objected 'on principle' would like the city council telling them how their funeral and burial must be performed?

I am surprised that a website that usually talks of the value of private property rights would condone the local government denying a woman her's, even if you don't agree with what she does on her property.

I'm kind of inclined to agree with Harris on this one, VH. Since it's the County they're dealing with (not city), I'm thinking the property is probably rural. Now, I can see not wanting 7500 bodies interred without caskets next door to my subdivision, but if it's a remote site, why not? The 'sky burial' thing kinda creeps me out (do the Lakota even do this anymore?), but again, who am I to say?

Mixed feelings about it, but more or less in Harris's camp. Weird, sure, but ultimately no one's business but their own.

Well, I've often said, only half facetiously, to "fold me up in a hefty bag and take me to the landfill", so obviously I don't stand on ceremony. The thing is, this is as much a culture war issue as anything, but even then, protection of private property is indeed what it's about. There are things you can do on your own property that violate the property rights of your neighbors.

There are regulations as to disposal of hazardous waste, even on one's own property. Decomposing corpses, especially a large concentration of them, would definitely pose an issue with regards to water supply in many areas. Septic systems do not present this issue by design; in fact the water that runs off from them should be drinkable.

Now, I have a small cat cemetery in my backyard, but that's orders of magnitude less than what they're talking about here, and I'm at least 1km from the nearest wellhead. Remember, the cholera epidemic in Zimbabwe is rooted in unregulated disposal of waste in proximity to wellheads.

I do not object so much "in principle", and I'm none too happy that my funeral will have to meet standards that will result in it costing six kilobux, but if that's what it takes so that I can run a glass of drinkable water from my tap, it's just part of the cost of living in a civil society. Mind you, I'm not trying to steer into some kind of socialist utopia here, but as crowded as we are, we do kind of have to be considerate.

Just rap my body up with cloth and tie 500 pound weight to me and drop me in the ocean. Hell thats where all life started on earth anyway so why not go back to where you came from.

Anon @ 12:52 pm shut up drive your internal combustion automobile, throw out your trash,and flush your toilet. Get the point moonbat hypocrit!

Harris good point.

There is a very big industry invested in burying people "right". There are whole professions of morticians, cosmeticians, grief councilors etc. who depend on this business for their money. They make a lot of money and have spent some small percent of it lobbying and promoting expensive funerals.

Out west there is enough land and so little water that there would be plenty of places to just throw people off the truck for the birds and coyotes and it would be without harm. My problem is that in an urban setting, I don't want my neighbor burying grandmother beside his mailbox forty feet from where kids play--even if the leprosy and syphilis that killed here were not the contagious kind.

Somewhere between these extremes is a reasonable approach. One arguement that is nonsense is that there is no room. Do the math! There is enough room out west to bury the whole damn population and its artifacts (buildings and all) and not use any useful land.

I don't object to dead hippies, in principle. I think the world would be a better place if there were more of them. But the notion of making some kind of environmental statement with the particulars of one's own burial is the kind of preachy narcissism is what I think constitutes the moonbattery here.

While I'm thrilled that some moonbats have become capitalists, there are HEALTH conserns that would block this plan. First, are there any animals that would dig up the bodys? Second, that "tower" idea is a no go because the vultures and other animals will scatter the remains all over the place. How would you like uncle Edgar's skull literaly "dropping in" on your next bar-b-q?

I get a lot of calls from people thinking it's a groovy alternative to opening a bed-and-breakfast.

"Groovy". I thought only SHAGGY said that these days.

Actually I've recently been resurrecting the term "groovy" but in a negative sense; imagine the typical hippie voice intoning the warning "That is NOT GROOVY, maaaaan!"

Its just like what i saw afew years ago on TV where some doofushead moonbats were blabbering of the idea of having themselves mummified and placed in the egyptian type sacofacases CRAZY STUPID AND REDICULOUS ONLY A GREEN MOONBAT DING-BAT COULD COME UP WITH A IDEA AS REDICULOUS AS THIS. AND HEY LADY YOUR A BIRDWATCHER? WELL SQUAWK SQUAWK HERE I AM SPURWING PLOVER IM ELUSIVE DEFIANT AND WITH A ATTATUDE SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK

I remember that, SPURWING. I believe it was durring the "pyramid power" craze.

Actually, this similar to the way that many Jewish sects traditionally bury their dead. No embalming with just a simple wooden box.

http://www.uscj.org/guide_to_jewish_fune6211.html
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/284,18678/Do-Jewish-funeral-homes-embalm-the-dead.html

Not saying that I agree simply due to issues of sanitation.

MAMMAS DONT LET YOUR BABIES GROW UP TO BE MOONBATS,DONT LET THEM EAT VEGIEBURGS OR RIDE ON PINK BIKES,LET BE TRUKERS,OR COWBOYS AND SUCH SIKE

This discussion reminds me that there are many shallow graves in the South West deserts of the US.

Though, I think many of those were a purposeful attempt to get around the, um, legal rigors of disposing of a body.

I'm not an eco-nut but burial plots must meet certain standards for enviromental concerns.I'm with KHarn on this on animals are just that,it's in their nature to be scavengers and would dig up any type of dead animal or person. There definately needs to be restrictions and didn't Indians burn there dead on those aerial platforms. That would take care of most of the scavenging but not the scent of burning flesh.

I'm sure that empty land out west pratice has been used quite a bit. Mostly, by the Las Vegas mob.

KHarn

"How would you like uncle Edgar's skull literaly "dropping in" on your next bar-b-q?"

Some of the neighbor kids would probably start using it for a soccer ball until one of the dogs grabbed it and ran away with it.

I would say as long as theres no risk of the bodies being dug up or contaminating the water supply, they should go for it. They should also do it in a remote site. Trial runs should also be conducted to see what the risks are. As for the tower:a good way to spread disease and attract plague carriers.

maybe some of those vultures should fly right over GEORGE RUSSELS home and regurgitate some remains right in his whoopiewater he is drinking STUPID CRAZY,INSANE,GREEN MOONBAT LUDICRIS IDEAS proving the green lives their living has effected their walnut sized brains PROBIBLY THEIR STRICT VEGETARIANISM THEIR BRAINS ARE THE SIZE OF A GRAIN OF POLLEN A BEE WOULD ENTER THEIR EARS AND TAKE AWAY THEIR BRAINS

I have to disagree with several of the comments here:

1. NO residential septic system is designed for or capable of producing potable water. The tank simply holds the sludge while the bacteria consume it, and the water leeches off into the drainage field. No matter what you have been told, you cannot drink this water without suffering negative effects. At home our septic tank and drainage field are approximately 75 lateral feet from the well head, although the septic system is 100 feet closer to the ground surface than the submersible well pump. Our water is not contaminated due to groundwater being filtered through about 100 feet of limestone.

2. The lot the woman wanted to use was capable of interring 7,500 bodies. That does not mean, however, that all 7,500 plots would be used at once. I don't have any idea of how quickly an unentombed body decomposes, but I think it is safe to say it would be pretty quick.

3. The post says nothing about the depths the remains would be buried. I have buried enough dogs, cats, deer guts, and other animals and animal parts to know that if you dig the hole deep enough nothing will dig it up and run off with it. We shouldn't assume that the hole the woman was planning would be a 2 foot trench with barely enough dirt to cover the remains.

4. Although the tower idea sounds foreign to me, I also think it is safe to assume that it would not be erected in your neighborhood just past the baseball field.

Perhaps Mrs. Mittie Johnson who always sat on the front pew wouldn't choose to be shitted on by buzzards and have her eyes pecked out (which they always go for first), but some people may not want to be laid to rest in a concrete box. I want to be buried in a pine box behind my family's fish pond and then an oak tree planted on top of me. No headstone or marker other than the tree.

Yeah, I am just going by what I've been told; you learn things various places, some more credible than others. But, what comes off one is a far sight more pleasant than what goes in :) and I'm sure once it's filtered through a slab of limestone it's just fine. Some geographies, however, aren't so favorable, is all.

It also sells a $300 cremation urn made of "Himalayan rock salt" that "will dissolve within four hours when placed in water."

Just don't throw it in Puget Sound. We wouldn't want to increase the salinity of a huge body of salt water, now would we? Actually, the citizens of Seattle would probably cold-cock you before you got that far and use it to defrost their ice-covered streets.

As much as the obvious preachiness and "greener-than-thou" attitude of these hippies frosts me, I'm with the property-rights supporters on this one. As long as there is no threat to the water supply (and this place is probably in a rural area), then I have no problem with a cemetery that offers "alternative" forms of burial/disposal. Especially if it fleeces moonbats out of big bucks for the privilege.

Dig a shallow hole. Throw em in there. Add about a pound of lime/20 pounds body weight. Add a little water--if there's two of you it's a good time to pee. Cover em up and forget about it.

SnowSnake - (I've been told - second or third hand).

But, if in clay ladyen soil, 3 pounds lime/20 pounds.

Cremation, here.

I am going to have my ashes scattered around the house so my wife has to clean up after me one last time. :-)

ROTFLMAO!! Mike, you got it nailed!!

We're forgetting a few things here folks. Three or four generations ago only the rich were buried in crypts or steel caskets or vaults.

Most people were rural and poor. The growth of the funeral scam industry was a reaction to people being dirt poor and wanting to do things like the rich folk did. End of story.

My grandmother died in August. Her and her husband's funerals, he died ten years earlier, totaled $17,000. That's a lot more than they ever earned in a year in their lifetimes.

Their grandparents, and some parents were buried in pine boxes and we drank spring water all the time I was growing up as did most of our neighbors. Yet they felt some absurd need, societal, 'christian,' whatever, to waste the cost of a good used car to put a dead body in the ground.

Here in podunk Kentucky I see often jars families have left in convenience stores trying to raise money for expensive funerals for a family member who died suddenly. Usually it's a kid or young adult.

I'd like to have a dollar for every cow, deer, dog, hog, cat, etc. that has rotted to the ground in this country since the scam artists who run funeral homes started encouraging their guilt trips. I could buy Texas and still pay for a lot of overpriced funerals.

Of course there's a law that dead cows are supposed to be hauled away. They're often drug to the back forty for the coyotes. If you’ve never seen a dead body with waves of maggots coming out of it, I encourage it. It’s a dose of reality most never experience but may soon considering the way things are going in this country. Mother nature takes care of her own in her own way and has been doing so for a long time.

An older friend died this year. He was buried near his house on his land in a pine box un-embalmed. His family made a few calls when he died and found that his last wishes were indeed 'legal.' I had tried to research these issues earlier and was told by various people, funeral directors, that embalming and a casket were required.

I want to be buried similarly to the gentleman above, wrapped in a white sheet, three feet down, un-embalmed, with three American chestnut trees around me. A flat marker that can be mowed over would be acceptable. Lets the cows keep the grass mowed and if they crap on the stone once in a while the acid rain will wash it off.

But it's unlikely that my wishes will be upheld because I'll probably die in the upcoming "Liberal" season we so desperately need and which will probably be forced upon us soon.

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Bural at sea (a time honored naval combat tradition) would be a moonbat first time usefulness situation.

My personal plans are a plain pine "toe pincher", black suit, pennies in my eyes, nail the lid shut and plant me in a cemetary owned by my lodge. It's in a ghost town in the middle of the desert, so I'm not really concerned about my causing environmental havoc.

Both sides seem to have valid arguements here, but I still think that there's a prioritization that should be followed:

1. Health concerns / property (and other) rights of the living & cemetary neighbors.
2. Property rights of the dead and the cemetary owners.
3. Moral disgust or outrage at the practice.

Yes, I feel #3 for a lot of this. But #2 trumps it, unless it is itself trumped by concern #1.

I still think, however, that it's appropriate to be included here at Moonbattery. This site is, after all, a chronicle of the outrageousness and general stupidity and silliness of the heathen Left. We don't have to (nor should we) try to use the force of law to stop everything they do... sometimes it's enough to just laugh at it.

waypasthadenough at January 3, 2009 8:15 AM

IF you had done any REAL research, you would know that in the old days cemetarys were the PUBLIC PARKS of many towns and folks would have picnics and romantic walks there.

Since most of us are making their "final arraingments" kn own, I'll tell you all mine:
I have requested that my family sell the rights to my body to Tampa college or the local historical society on the condition that they wait at least a hundred years to dig me up. I plan to have personal effects (Including my long-barreled .22 Ruger pistol) and a small time capsule buried with me.

THE EARTH IS NOT OUR MOTHER

Big Daddy@ 5:23,
"Your out in the desert digging holes, and somebody shows up, your digging holes all night."
I tell my loved ones just drop my unidentified remains in an alley and let it go from there. 17k for a funeral?? BOSH!!! spend that on a cruise with your new (old) boyfriend.

I remembered reading about a new way to dispose of the dead as, um, fertilizer. Took a while to find the link.