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Will he be kneeling down and wash and kiss OBAMAS feet? will he bow down to him will he say wacky new age pagan prayers in font of his pictures? WILL THE HIGH PREIST OF THE LIBERAL CHURCH OF MOONBATS GET HIMSELF EXCOMMUNICATED? I sure hope he get excommunicated

I would NOT hit that. Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord.

Gregg Gutfeld offends the delicate sensibilities of the humorless gay activist crowd.

Gutfeld was placed on the list because, among other things, on his show (Redeye) a sex change was described as “turning a hole into a pole.”

Not on the list: Mahmoud Ahmadinnerjacket.

God help u.s.

soon.

Ever since the election, it's been ALL GAY ALL THE TIME. Do these people ever think about anything else? Anything? Like, a job, or what's for dinner? No. All that goes through their brains is "I'M GAY I'M GAY I'M GAY I'M GAY GAY GAY!!!!"

Sick of it.

karin - how about the "i'm normal just like everybody else" aspect?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha!

yeah because i do my housework and cook in outfits like the little guy in the top photo...which my husband wouldn't mind...mind you...

Karin, then there's this:

A classic demonstration of this occurred in California following last November’s election. Obama got 61 percent of the vote—but gay marriage got only 48 percent. Who were these 13 percent of the California electorate who were for Obama and against gay marriage?

What happened was that black church ladies and the like turned out in unprecedented numbers to vote for that nice Mr. Obama, and stuck around to vote against gay marriage on the Proposition 8 initiative.

The SWPL crowd in Southern California went berserk with rage at gay marriage being turned down. Yet, they couldn’t possibly blame blacks for it because, to them, blacks are not real human beings who should, like all human beings, be held accountable for their moral decisions. No, for progressive whites, blacks are merely set dressing in their eternal war against conservative whites to prove who is better.

So liberal whites in LA quickly decided to agree that gay marriage had been rejected because the media in California was secretly controlled…by Mormons from Utah!

I call this popular conspiracy theory the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion National Park.

Of course, in the real world, Californian Mormons made up very few of that pro-Obama / anti-gay marriage 13 percent.

those pesky mormons...

who knew they had so much power?!?

I'm not a mormon, but I'm betting they just want to be left alone...like the rest of us.

Moonbats ... can wipe the froth from their jaws.

Froth? Let's draw a discreet veil over that one.

A phony bishop from a phony church making phony prayers for a phony president.

Quite in keeping wouldn't you say?

EXCOMMUNICATE,EXCOMMUNICATE,EXCOMMUNICATE say the reformed chritian daleks

When "religions" persecute our families and "beliefs" have influenced U.S. law: WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

ALL religions against marriage equality are hate groups, and will need to accept responsibility for their political actions, including accepting how some may react to YOUR H8 with their own hate (such as arson, sidewalk & building graffiti, bomb threats, anthrax or
ricin in tithing envelopes, or regularly vandalizing your church windows). SAVE YOUR MONEY FOR REPAIRS, Haters.

When you fan the flames of HATE, you WILL get burned. Accept Responsibility.

Ah, a troll making physical threats. How very loving of you.

"Robinson is scheduled to say a pre-inauguration prayer to the god he openly defies with his ostentatious homosexuality."

Irony is awesome.

According to scripture we are openly defying God by not killing him for being gay.
Or anyone who commits adultery. Or an unruly child. Or anyone who works on Sunday. Or anyone who curses their father and mother. Or anyone who sleeps with one of his father's wives. Or a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night. But of course, being good Christians, we knew that already.

Leviticus 13: 8-22

nanc,
Just remember to be quiet in church this Sunday...you don't want to defy God!
1st Corinthians 13: 34, 35

And don't forget your veil!
1st Corinthians 11: 5

And how much is 50 Shekels in US Dollars?
A buddy of mine raped a girl the other night and he needs to pay her dad off before they get married.
Deuteronomy 22: 28, 29

This is amusing. How do we know which ones to go by and which ones we should disregard?

Wow...30 Israeli shekels is $7.69. Either God didn't place much value on virginity or he didn't understand inflation!

Oops...it is 50 shekels in the scripture.
That comes to $12.81, which seems much more fair to the girl's father.

"Inclusivity"? "Tolerance"? Okay, then where's a Jewish rabbi, an Imam, a Catholic priest, et al.? Obambi should have Mark Levin speak for twenty minutes, to balance his Marxist spew (have absolutely no plans to partake of the Immaculate Inauguration; might watch if Rush or Dr. Levin were speaking, however - yeah, dream on). Now that would be inclusive and tolerant (but we'll soon enough get the Censorship Doctrine and fraudulent claims of "hate speech" against anything remotely conservative, or anything said by anyone remotely conservative).

So long, America -- and we hardly knew ye.

When "religions" persecute our families

That sentence should read “When religions ‘persecute’ our ‘families’ ...”

WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

I take it this “we” refers to you and your ...uh...playmates? If so, then you’re correct.

SAVE YOUR MONEY FOR REPAIRS, Haters

Thanks for the tip, but repairs – and weaponry – are a lot cheaper than protease inhibitors.

Um, John Bisceglia, physically threatening the people who disagree with you is not a good way to make them view homosexuality or gay marriage in a positive light.
Rather, you and those like you who engage in such acts against churches are revealing yourselves to be the real bigots.
btw, I notice that whenever you depraved freaks attack, vandalise, or protest at churches, you tend to avoid doing so at any of the predominantly black churches, even though those churches' members voted overwhelmingly in favor of Prop 8 and the other anti- gay marriage bills across the country. I can think, off the top of my head, of two reasons why this may be the case (Not counting basic ignorance of the fact that most black churches' members voted against gay marriage):
1. You know that if you do so and it is made public knowledge, you'll be accused of racism, and thus lose much of the support that the American left had previously given your cause.
2. You know that if you do so, there's a good chance that the black churches' members won't just sit back quietly and take it, like so many of the members of the churches you've already attacked have. Many of them that are older remember the Civil Rights Era, when their churches were vandalized or bombed for their active standing against the Jim Crow Laws. Thus, they don't have a whole lot of patience for bigoted thugs who want to target their churches for vandalism and attacks. They didn't stand for it back then when racists and white supremacists did it, and they won't stand for it now when perverts and deviants do it.

Back a few years ago in MEDFORD OREGON they replaced the usial christian prayer opening for a city council meeting with a bunch of wacko pagan new age moonbats beating drums wearing goofy masks and dancing and hopping throught cityhall chambers and when one good christian memeber of the council walked out some were demanding her resination SCREW MOONBATS

Harris: if I were a Jew, living under the covenant God made with the Israelites, your arguments might have a little more force with me. But I'm not. I have a different set of marching orders.

Seems harris reveals a serious lack of rational thought. In pursuing this asinine 'shekel' argument ad nauseum, he reveals himself as having the understanding of money that is enjoyed by the Macroglossius lunarius commonus, a.k.a. "Common Moonbat".

See, the current Israeli Shekel is what's called 'fiduciary' money. It's backed by the same thing as own dollar, i.e., faith (fides) that our government won't just start printing it willy-nilly until it isn't worth a Continental. Or, in other words, "pull a Carter".

The ancient or Biblical shekel is a unit of weight. Biblically, there seem to have been two weights that used the term 'shekel', much like our modern avoirdupois/troy system. The old Testament seems to use the heavier version, equal to about 16.4 grams. It's use as the name of the local currency stems from this, as a Shekel (coin) weighed one shekel. 50 silver S/shekels therefore would be about 28.864 ounces of silver, or a hair under 20 ounces. In today's depressed silver market, that'd be a little under $300. It doesn't take a lot of thought or research to discover this... about the same as looking up the exchange rate between the fiduciary Dollar and the fiduciary Shekel.

Of course, we haven't taken into account natural inflationary forces in any growing economy (even ancient), and that the events harris mentions took place many centuries before the Spanish started mining and shipping hundreds of thousands of tons* of the stuff back to the old world; there are definite inflationary forces to be contended with. In order to make an actual translation into modern terms of the amount of wealth that was transferred in the biblical case harris mentions, one must have something with which to compare the value of a Shekel.

One scholarly paper, http://books.google.com/books?id=ete2KSg44a4C&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=prices+of+goods+during+biblical+times&source=web&ots=vzDq1OTe7N&sig=qNBvDthbg3mLZWcge-23Fo-uZKI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA19,M1

...puts the value of one lightShekel (8.2 grams) at roughly $160, when used to compare such things as the price of animals, land, etc. Thus the 50 Shekels mentioned, even assuming the lighter use of the term, would be at least $8,000.

harris, money is not wealth. This is the mistake most Common Moonbats make; they can't understand that money is just a unit of measurement, a yardstick if you will. This yardstick is flexible over time, even with relatively stable currencies like precious metals. In comparing a biblical Shekel (a weight of silver) to a modern Shekel (a piece of paper with some numbers and pictures on it), you're effectively using two distinctly different forms of measurement separated by millenia. Like using a measuring cup to see how wide your doorways are before you try to move the new couch in, but using a ruler to measure the width of the couch, and then declaring "it'll fit!"

*no citation here, so don't nitpick. It's late and I don't feel like looking up the estimated tonnage of silver loaded onto the Treasure Fleets for a two or three centuries. Let's just agree that the Spanish shipped a shitload of money back to Europe, while virtually ignoring the wealth. Between 1500 and 1600 a.d., the real price of consumer goods in Spain rose over 400%. They ended up awash in "bling" and dirt poor. The first modern-style economic Moonbats.

PabloD,
And where do those orders come from?

I am just curious about the formula you use to select which portions of the Bible you disregard, and which portions you want made into laws.

Yesterday I posted the wrong book and chapter of scripture. Leviticus 13: 8-22 teachers how the Almighty wants you to treat boils and bodily discharge. Leviticus 20 tells you who all should be killed.

Anyone can show me scripture that forbids homosexuality, and I can show anyone their hypocrisy using the exact same page of scripture. That old book and others like it have no place in a modern society other than as a museum piece.

hiram,

What a good try! You almost made people forget that God Almighty allowed rape, for a fee. Leviticus 27 tells us that the value of a male slave between the age of 20 and 60 was 50 shekels, or as you say, about $8,000.

I guess that's a hell of a lot better than ten years for rape!

And the only lack of rational thought that I reveal is that of the people who still believe and adhere to any of these silly rules.

No, harris, what I've shown is that if a moonbat troll can't get the little details right, everything else that comes from it should be suspect.

Why the total abject hatred for a religion that's done more good than Islam EVER will? Why the blanket support for murderous thugs and the vitriolic crap thrown against the wall for anything Christian? And no, I'm not a Christian.

I've been reading your posts... sometimes, I've actually agreed with you. But it's become apparent that you've never read the Koran, never looked objectively at the fundamental differences between religions, never actually used your mind.

What, did a priest molest you as a child or something? Your knee-jerk rejection of anything to do with religion (well, at least Christianity) betrays an underlying hostility that can't be explained away. What happened?

You've shown in this and other threads:

1) Irrational fear/rejection of anything Christian.

2) Moral relativism vis-a-vis the Muslim/Western conflict

3) A total lack of understanding of economics

All hallmarks of the common Moonbat.

Let's compare.... (I'm referring here to the lengthy exchange between yourself and other in another post, so it's a little OT)

Christianity/Western Civilization: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

Islam: "Kill the infidel wherever you may find him"

It's clear you're taking a side in the conflict between Western values and those of anti-Western Civilization/Islamic ideals. The question is, who's side are you on?

At one point I thought you had a clue... now, I'm just thinking, "lefty-shill troll".

In closing, shall we go into what atheists such as yourself have ordered? Start with Stalin, or Mao perhaps? If, as you say, God almighty allowed "rape for a fee", what was the fee for mass killing under such 'enlightened' leaders? Clearly, they were morally superior as they disdained any belief in God... so the 10,000,000 Ukrainians who were deliberately starved to death under Stalin (for zero dollars/shekels/rubles/whatever) must have deserved it, right?

hiram,

To begin, I am not a moonbat, leftist, troll, or anything else you falsely assume I am. I know the free market works wonders for people while Communism is a murderous joke. I fight Communists as tenaciously as I fight Christians and other zealots.

Second, I oppose any religious fantasy. Islam is just as silly as Christianity.

Third, by pointing out that this thread cherry-picks sections of the Bible to adhere to while rejecting others, on the same page in the Bible I might add, I only further illustrate that silliness.
"No, harris, what I've shown is that if a moonbat troll can't get the little details right, everything else that comes from it should be suspect. Does this apply to your Bible? If Invisible Man made rules for us, but we don't accept some, doesn't that mean that we find some of Invisible Man's laws suspect? If any are suspect, aren't they all suspect?

You say I support Islam? Where have I supported Islam? They kill homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators. They do other deplorable things in the name of Invisible Man. The only difference between a radical terrorist Muslim and a modern Christian is that the Muslim follows his book to the letter, while the Christian chooses what to believe and what to ignore, according to what is convenient at the moment.

The reason I attack Christianity on this site is because if I were to say Islam is stupid, backwards, and useless the choir would cheer and nothing would be accomplished. However, by illustrating the absurdity of many of the claims on this site I get my message out to many commenters, and countless other lurkers. Inevitably, I will sway some of them to the site of rationality and reason.

Make no mistake, Islam is absurd, outdated, and delusional. And so is Christianity.

I support the Palestinian and Israeli people. I am willing to search for lasting ways to bring peace to the area, and I support others willing to do the same.
Giving the Palestinians land without autonomy did not work. Supporting them with money and food has not worked. None of the methods tried has not worked, but I refuse to believe that the final solution is genocide. That has been tried before and it didn't work.

You need to have more faith in human ability than you have in Invisible Man. You cannot sanely want more bloodshed. You have to logically want a proper solution to be found that does not include war and more death. We can find a way.

Why does a Christian reject some of the teachings of the Bible? Most Christians reject rape, slavery, and oppression of women, but why?

The answer is because the society they live in has transcended their religion. Invisible Man has been left behind because his followers realize that in many areas he is wrong.

Our culture brings good to the world, not because of Invisible Man, but because it is full of good people.

You must see that.

Cherry picking is a very dishonest means of argument. Picking one or two verses out of the Bible to play 'Gotcha!' is about as honest as pointing to the 3/5ths compromise as proof that the USA is an evil, slave-holding nation.

Context matters.Taking a scholarly approach to the Bible as a whole matters. Flinging intellectual poo does not.

Context matters?
You have never actually read your holy book, have you?

You have to take the Bible as a whole?
It never says that slavery is wrong! It never says that women should be equal! It never says that races are equal!

Cherry picking is dishonest?
Your whole religion is based on cherry picking!

And what do you mean the reader has to take Biblical verses within context? You don't do that with any other religion, why in hell should I do it with yours? Even if I did take it in context, the context is more silly and absurd rules, so the 'context' adds absolutely nothing.

V the K, if I recall correctly you said you were a Mormon. If you are the Mormon commenter on here, why don't you inform your fellow Christians about the subtle differences between your sect and theirs.
Ask them, "What do you think about how Joseph Smith found some plates in Massachussetts and an angel helped him translate them from 'reformed'Egyptian into early modern English?"

"It never says that slavery is wrong!"
It never really says slavery is right, either, to the best of my knowledge. Plus, it's pretty much implied by the fact that the Lord helped free the Jews from their slavery in Egypt. Oh, and incidentally, many of the most outspoken opponents of slavery in the 16th- 19th centuries were the evangelical Christian groups! When you get a chance, try watching the movie 'Amazing Grace.'

"It never says that women should be equal!"
Not directly, no, but Jesus, His followers, and the early church treated women and children with much more kindness and compassion than the larger society at that time treated them. They showed those groups that God loves them as much as He loves men. Plus, since you love basing almost every argument you have upon the Old Testament, I'd point out the example of Deborah, a woman who was a very prominent and admirable leader of the Israelites in the book of Judges.
You have the right to believe what you want, but please, try to be a little bit more respectful of others' beliefs. Calling God things like "Invisible Man" and saying that the Bible is fit for nothing in our society but a museum relic is very insulting and offensive. Try and show more respect towards us, and we (Certainly I) will show more respect towards you.

Adam, come on.

Over and over again Invisible Man (this is what I call him, so you should respect that) gives the guidelines for how to treat slaves (like how hard you can acceptably beat them), who can be enslaved, and how much a slave is worth. If any Christian opposed slavery they were defying Invisible Man.

Invisible Man Jr. had zero female disciples.
John 20:17, Invisible Man Jr tells Mary not to touch him. John 20:27 Invisible Man Jr tells Thomas to touch him.
Why can Thomas touch him but Mary can't?

1 Corinthians 14, Women aren't even supposed to speak in church?

Come on.
Women couldn't vote in across the US until 1920 because of this book.
A huge war had to come about to free slaves, because of this book.

Invisible Man sent Invisible Man Jr. to earth to die because Invisible Man likes to smell burning flesh, and while he was here, Invisible Man Jr. didn't do anything about slavery, sexism, racism, or any of that stuff. He was supposedly curing hundreds of people at a time, but he never says, "Give sight to all the blind."
"Heal all the sick."
"My followers, it is wrong for one person to own another."
"My children, it is wrong to treat women the way we have been doing."
"My believers, all of Invisible Man's people are equal, no matter what color they are."

Nope, none of that. Just Invisible Man Jr, not rocking the boat, keeping with the status quo.

And you make excuse after excuse to try and explain it all. You know in your heart it is a sham.

"Just Invisible Man Jr, not rocking the boat, keeping with the status quo."
Wow. Just because He didn't talk at length about the issues you mention, you think He was just another conformist? You really don't know jack about the Bible. Jesus (That is His name, not "Invisible Man Jr.") definitely rocked the boat and challenged the status quo on too many occasions for me to list here, that's why the Pharisees became so scared of Him that they had Him crucified.

Slavery as it existed under the Mosaic law has no modern parallel. That law did not originate but only regulated the already existing custom of slavery.
The gospel in its spirit and genius is hostile to slavery in every form, which under its influence is gradually disappearing from among men.

"Invisible Man Jr. had zero female disciples."
Just because they weren't mentioned as part of the Twelve didn't mean that He had no female followers. After He rose from the grave, the first people who saw Him arisen were Mary Magdalene and a few of His other female followers.
"1 Corinthians 14, Women aren't even supposed to speak in church?"
That was the view of Paul, who was known to have at times demonstrated some levels of misogyny in his writing. Also, it was likely referring more to a problem that he was noticing in the early churches back then, than to a commandment for all churches for all time.
"Women couldn't vote in across the US until 1920 because of this book."
No, not because of this book. It was because there were a lot of men who didn't feel they should be allowed to vote, some of whom bastardized and perverted passages from the Bible to try and back up their claims.
As for supposedly never standing against racism, there were Christ's call to make disciples of all the nations, His story of the Good Samaritan (In those days and that society, many Jews viewed Samaritans as the scum of the Earth), and both He and His followers discussing how they should make no distinctions between Jew and Gentile (That was one of the bigger racial barriers in that day).
"You know in your heart it is a sham."
No, it isn't. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? I am currently in my second year of seminary, so I can get into ministry. I wouldn't be going through all this for something that I "Know in my heart is a sham."
You know, the more you post lately, the more you reveal yourself as nothing but a bigoted, hateful troll. You might claim to oppose liberalism, Communism, etc., but it seems like lately, the only threads here you've been taking part in are the ones based around religion, and even those are just excuses for you to spew more hatred about the Christian faith in an attempt to piss people off. If that weren't the case, you would be at least using more polite, tolerant and respectful ways of presenting your arguments, with us debating like civilized people. Bill Maher demonstrates more tolerance of Christians than you do!

Adam,

Just make sure you think long and hard before you dedicate your entire life to Invisible Man.

Maybe you can get a job as an excuse maker, or perhaps a cherry-picker?

Adam,

I feel like I didn't go far enough with my last response... A little ripping and shredding is in order.

Invisible Man Jr was crucified for blasphemy. The Pharisees didn't like having a schizophrenic heretic running around calling himself Invisible Man Jr.
Do you seriously think that the Pharisees would see Invisible Man Jr heal the blind, cure the sick, kill olive trees, or any of his other 'miracles' and still want him to be executed? Why didn't they believe he was the Son of Invisible Man? Shouldn't they have seen the 'miracles'?
Why did the crowd of Jews gathered outside Pilate's house chant, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!?" Weren't they the very same people he was performing 'miracles' on the day before? It doesn't pass the smell test.

Invisible Man Jr pissed everyone off because he was wandering around town talking nonsense.

Next excuse: The Dusty Bible opposes slavery. Uh-Oh...don't throw out your back by stretching so far!!!
" Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily."

Look, for Invisible Man to be all-loving/powerful/wise/knowing he would have to know that one person owning another was wrong. He would not have cared what the tradition was, he would have said, "Thou shalt not own another one of my children."
But he didn't. He tells us how much a slave is worth, how hard we can beat them, who can be enslaved. He even goes as far as to say that if a male slave is released, the slave owner does not have to release the slave's wife or children. If the slave wants to stay with his wife and children then he must remain a slave. Good job, Invisible Man.
Jr even tells the slaves to work hard for their masters in the excerpt above.

Next excuse: Inequality of women.
OK, So the Bible is not the holy word of Invisible Man, especially where Paul adds his two cents. Well that explains a lot! Tell me again; how do we tell which sexist parts are Paul's sexism and which are Invisible Man Jr's?

As far as the right to vote...Do you expect any thinking person to believe that a book that tells women to remain silent in church, keep their head covered at all times, never cut their hair, and always remain submissive to their husbands really supports equal rights?
That relic tells us that a man can rape a virgin, as long as he pays her father 50 shekels and marries her. A man could have many wives, and Invisible Man actually intervened to make sure Jacob got the real wife he was promised, and when she didn't get pregnant, Invisible Man made sure he had a slave girl to breed with. And Invisible Man supports equal rights? You can not actually believe that.

Next excuse: Invisible Man Jr was not a racist.

Invisible Man Jr wanted to have people worship him around the globe. Wow, proof that he wasn't racist.
Maybe more realistically it was proof of his self-delusional tendencies.

Remind me, who was it that Invisible Man Jr referred to as a dog? Oh, that's right...everyone except the Israelites.
"It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."

Invisible Man Jr, just like his ole pappy, was all-knowing and timeless, so there should have been no need to change his mind. He did change his mind, however, when the Canaanite woman with the sick daughter just insisted on worshiping him. He was always a sucker for that kind of thing.

I may be rude and disrespectful, but you are about to dedicate your life to teaching something that is bad.

People don't have to worship a slavery condoning, murderous, wrathful, bipolar, confusing and unloving invisible man.