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December 4, 2008

Open Thread

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It's fizzy, but will go flat after awhile, just like Obamania. Hat tip: Michelle Malkin.

Posted by Van Helsing at December 4, 2008 10:22 AM

Comments

Finally, the literal Kool-Aid arrives!

Drink up, Obamamoonies!

Posted by: V the K at December 4, 2008 10:25 AM

Posted by: nanc at December 4, 2008 10:42 AM

Remember New Coke?

Posted by: Unscrupulous at December 4, 2008 10:56 AM

I imagine the following was heard at the taste test:

"Ewww, gross, tastes like Clinton's Retreaded Tires"

Posted by: Naqamel at December 4, 2008 11:08 AM

Armalite is advertising a new AR-15, .308 caliber. I'm a big fan of that 7.62 round, and the AR-15 is a cheaper alternative to the AR-10 without sacrificing a single bit of quality.

Check it out

The A4 mount is supreme, in my opinion. I will have one of these by year's end and I'll let y'all know what I think of it.

Posted by: cowlove at December 4, 2008 11:28 AM

VDH on California's political, fiscal, economic, and demographic disaster. Ghey Marridge is the least of their problems.

Posted by: V the K at December 4, 2008 11:44 AM

Same old sugary shit in a can with a different name attached, sounds about right.

Posted by: antipinko at December 4, 2008 11:49 AM

I rememer Billy Beer - sorry to tell you sir, your horse has diabetes.

Posted by: baslimthecripple at December 4, 2008 12:03 PM

Look up 'Clinton nomination unconstitutional'. 0bama is not even in office yet and he has already done away with the Constitution.

Posted by: Smoke TNT at December 4, 2008 12:05 PM

Finally, an an alternative to kool-aid.

Posted by: cerulean1 at December 4, 2008 12:18 PM

Sorry i think i,ll stick to coke or pepsi but i,ll recycle the cans

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at December 4, 2008 12:23 PM

Shocking! Inner city St. Louis Alderman pleads "with constituents to get guns of their own — and learn how to use them."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/29150EE3A06EA92C862575130014DD3A?OpenDocument

Imagine. Citizens protecting themselves from the thugs around them, as provided in the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Mike H at December 4, 2008 12:59 PM

I need some advise on buying a handgun. I need good knock down power but unfortunately I have only one good arm. Any suggestions would be welcome.
By the way aren't those the cans truckers use to pee in so they don't have to stop at a rest stop?

Posted by: Farmer Ted at December 4, 2008 2:04 PM

Farmer Ted,

I'm assuming you want this for personal defense since you're looking for knock down power.

Check this out.

Something like this can be carried easily and believe me, throw a few hollow points in there and you'll have all the knock down power you need. Some people will say go .45 all the way, but a .357 will do you fine and you'll easily be able to handle the kick on a low-profile revolver like this one. In fact, it would probably be more ackward for you to fire this gun with two hands as opposed to one.

Good luck and talk to your local gun dealer for more in-depth advice.

Posted by: cowlove at December 4, 2008 2:12 PM

Wouldn't a 38 Special be sufficient for Farmer Ted's needs?

Posted by: metalgarth at December 4, 2008 2:33 PM

Thanks Cowlove. Yes it's for personal defense. How would you rate a .357 to a .38 caliber handgun?

Posted by: Farmer Ted at December 4, 2008 2:34 PM

Any caliber that doesn't begin with at least a '4' is too small.
From a military book of 'unwritten rules'.

Posted by: Jimbo at December 4, 2008 2:44 PM

To respond to you both, yes, there's not a lot of difference between a .38 and a .357 round. In fact, they're both the same diameter. A .357, however, has more load, thus more velocity, thus when it hits (especially with a hollow point) the damage will be more extensive. That's where the knock down power comes into play. Say you're scared and firing at someone rushing you. If you hit them pretty much anywhere other than an extremity with a hollow point .357 round, they're going to the ground. I don't care what they're hopped up on, they're kissing dirt.

The reason I personally would recommend the .357 snub-nose is because it's basically the most powerful gun other than a .40 cal or .45 you can get in a gun that small. You could go with a .38 and probably be fine. In fact, you can fire a .38 round from a .357 (don't try it the other way though). It's a preference. I tend to err on the side of having more firepower than I need. This is your life we're talking about, you know?

Consider this: the average man can close 21' in about 1.5-2 seconds. At that speed, even after getting hit with a fatal round, they will still close another 5-6 feet, easily. I want the best possible chance that when I hit that man with a bullet, the maximum possible damage is being done so as to incapacitate them permanently.

In a situation where personal defense (being able to conceal a weapon and have handy, quick access to it) is the primary concern, you can't go wrong with a snub-nose .357 revolver.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: cowlove at December 4, 2008 2:56 PM

And Jimbo is correct, a .40 or .45 is better. However, those guns are bigger (harder to conceal carry) and also harder to fire with one hand, especially in a situation where you're defending your life.

Posted by: cowlove at December 4, 2008 2:59 PM

THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS: CHRISTMAS IS LOSING

With my two earlier articles on Christmas, in the interests of achieving a detente with the forces dedicated to destoying that national and religious holiday, I tried to downplay what is actually a literal war in progress against Christmas.

Now, back to the fray!

A few years back, Fox News’ John Gibson published a book on the subject, The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought, the title of which just about says it all.

It is worse than we may have thought and, if anything, that war has gained momentum in the interim.

Just six weeks after the publication of Gibson’s book in 2006, a senseless controversy over Christmas trees erupted in Seattle, an eruption that is emblematic of that war and is just one example of the battles we are facing. See Bonnie Alba’s piece on the subject, “Battling Hate Crimes against Christmas,” http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/alba/071130.

That Seattle teapot tempest reached a peak, or a depth, of inanity after a rabbi protested and demanded that an eight foot menorah, a symbol of the Jewish festival of Hannukah, be displayed next to the largest Christmas tree at Sea-Tac Airport.

Sea-Tac authorities, in their less than infinite wisdom, arrived at the ultimate polititically correct solution: They removed all nine plastic ”holiday trees” from the airport premises. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/336038_trees19.html and http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003470331_trees10m.html.

When pushed against the wall, their pusillanimous response was to cave unapologetically to a single individual rather than allow the travelling public some meager measure of Christmas spirit in the form of decorated trees as they wended their way through the chaos that is most airports today.

Correction: It was simply “holiday” not “Christmas” spirit that the Sea-Tac Scrooges abolished. There was no Nativity scene replete with Christ Child at the airport so those Scrooges, under cover of darkness in the middle of the night, removed nine plastic symbols of one of our national holidays.


How stupid and gutless was that!

There’s a clear bottomline to all the dissension surrounding the recognition and celebration of Christmas at this time of year. Why that dissension even exists is beyond me. However, since it does exist, perhaps a reminder is in order.

Not only is Christmas a declared national holiday, and has been for 138 years, we are by far a predominantly-Christian nation, . . .

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at December 4, 2008 3:06 PM

I have a Para-Ordnance P12 in .45ACP for really knocking the snot out of someone if need be, and a sleek little Sig .380 for lighter duty. Both loaded with Federal Hydra-Shok. They both fit the same holster, believe it or not, even though the P12 carries a 12rd double stack magazine and is a little blockier. An automatic is generally easier to conceal than a revolver with the big wheel in the middle.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at December 4, 2008 3:45 PM

Sorry guys, for me, this does the trick.

Besides, I keep it in my right pocket and I have a matching pair of schlongs. The ladies love it.

Posted by: FauxDino at December 4, 2008 3:57 PM

Personally, I favor the old-fashioend (But in good condition) M1908 Colt hammerless .380. Although it has trouble with the first round out of the magazine with hollowpoints, it handles easy, is accurate and gives you 7+1 rounds. I have a .22 magnum pump rifle for longer ranges.
ut then, I live in the suburbs.

For more serious use, I suggest a M1911 (Or a licensed copy) in .38 super. It's bullet is faster and heavier than a 9mm and the Colt has exilent handling qualities and accuracy.

My father didn't like handguns and favored a 20 gauge double with duck loads. I also gave him my M1 carbine, three magazines and a box of ammo one month as a car payment. My grandfather was a farmer and carried a loaded .22 rifle on his tractor. He also had a 45-70 M1881 springfield rifle and bayonet from his service with the malitia in WWI. Dad told me that he killed RATS with the bayonet!

Posted by: KHarn at December 4, 2008 4:00 PM

BK gives away free food, lefties outraged, and kittehs, very very jealous.

Posted by: V the K at December 4, 2008 4:10 PM

Posted by: V the K at December 4, 2008 4:16 PM

Thank you all for the suggestions and opinions. I do have a .30.30 incase I'm confronted by a dinko but it's too big for close in confrontation. Any opinions on a Walther PPK?
(In my best James Bond voice):
"Ted, Farmer Ted" What do you think? :)

Posted by: Farmer Ted at December 4, 2008 5:51 PM

It's a fine gun Ted. .38 right? Plenty of beef behind that bullet.

Posted by: cowlove at December 4, 2008 6:17 PM

Farmer Ted, my 2¢: Get a .357 magnum so you have extra stopping power if you want it, but use .38 special ammo at the range, like I do with my Security Six -- it's a lot cheaper, and makes the gun easier to handle. For defense against intruders, be aware that the magnum rounds are more likely to go through the wall and hit your neighbor. Also, you might be more likely to get off an accurate second shot using .38 ammo. But for camping, use the .357 magnum.

Posted by: Van Helsing at December 4, 2008 7:24 PM

Atheist bashes Nativity as 'hate speech' - bashing is itself apparently not hate speech

Dan Barker of the Freedom from Religion Foundation said on "Fox & Friends" on December 1 that the nativity scene represents "hate speech" and "a direct attack on good human values."

Posted by: BURNING HOT at December 4, 2008 7:42 PM

.357 with .38 semi-wadcutters...

or a nine!

Posted by: nanc at December 4, 2008 7:49 PM

Viewers vote with their remotes: CNN, NBC to cut environuttiness department staff

CNN, the Cable News Network, announced yesterday that it will cut its entire science, technology, and environment news staff, including Miles O’Brien, its chief technology and environment correspondent, as well as six executive producers. Mediabistro’s TVNewser broke the story. . . .

“It’s disheartening,” said Christy George, who is president of the Society of Environmental Journalists and has worked closely there with Peter Dykstra, CNN’s outgoing executive producer for science and technology. “For the last year or two, television has, in general, been making a commitment to beefing up its environmental coverage.” In particular, clean energy has moved to center stage in our global political and economic discourse, and President-elect Barack Obama recently reaffirmed his commitment to tackling climate change. “There is going to be a lot to cover in science, technology, and environment,” George pointed out, “and it’s not going to be enough to just cover the politics of it to keep people informed.”

CNN is not the only television network that has been slashing science jobs. According to The Washington Post, “NBC Universal made the first of potentially several rounds of staffing cuts at The Weather Channel [last week], axing the entire staff of the “Forecast Earth” environmental program during the middle of NBC’s ‘Green Week,’ as well as several on-camera meteorologists.”

Posted by: BURNING HOT at December 4, 2008 7:49 PM

Just got back from a little trip by vehicle. Across NDak (Fargo, Bismark, Dickenson--through the badlands) Montana (Butte, Billings), down through Idaho and then Utah (past Salt Lake) through Northern Nevada (outskirts Las Vegas through Mojave desert) to Yuma and then to San Diego (Escondito) back across Nevada to Austin and then across the salt flats in Utah and through the Black Hills then up across Western Dakotas and then a long ways East. From the Dakotas onward I saw three black people from a distance--didn't talk to any of them. There are thousands of square miles of desert and open land and a lot of people with guns and shovels. Not a good place to state your undying love for moonbat passions.

Posted by: SnowSnake at December 4, 2008 8:08 PM

Hey, Van Helsing said exactly what I was going to say! I would recommend doing some practice with .357 ammo at the range in addition to the .38 ammo. It packs a bit more of a kick, so it's good to know what you're in for. If excess penetration is a concern, look into Glaser Safety Slugs for home defense.

Posted by: Henry at December 4, 2008 8:14 PM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at December 4, 2008 8:14 PM

Posted by: Van Helsing at December 4, 2008 7:24 PM

Van - In my Texas home I have a .22, 9 mm, and .44 in short guns. In long guns a .22, .44, 12 ga, and 30.06. I have a similar collection in my Alaska home - but somewhat extended and diversified. (REAL diversity is 8 to 10 different calibers.) While in Hawai'i I'm naked and have to depend on 9-irons and Louisville Sluggers.

I guess my point is; I see a lot of 'value' in having shorts and longs that fire the same rounds. It makes it mighty handy for home protection OR game management.

Posted by: Jimbo at December 4, 2008 8:15 PM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at December 4, 2008 8:45 PM

Oreo flavored Kool-Aid!!!! YYEEEAAAHHHHHH!

Thank you soooo much for this site. I can only take so much and need a laugh! :)

Posted by: ozmott at December 4, 2008 8:48 PM

To be consistent with the empty suit, I'm guessing those are empty cans.

Posted by: single stack at December 4, 2008 9:29 PM

Today, I went out and stocked up on 357 and 38 special hollow points because of this web site.
Thanks guys.

Posted by: Thor at December 4, 2008 9:33 PM

Same old sugary shit in a can with a different name attached, sounds about right.

Posted by: antipinko at December 4, 2008 11:49 AM

But it comes with extra skin pigment now! It MUST be better!

Posted by: mandible claw at December 4, 2008 10:05 PM

Smart move Thor.

Also, just a reminder, if you've been thinking about getting a gun of any type you should get it now.

There's only one more gun show near me before the end of the year. I predict semi-chaos.

Posted by: cowlove at December 4, 2008 10:18 PM

Posted by: mandible claw at December 4, 2008 10:29 PM

Ted: if you have only one good arm, you might consider a revolver over a semi-auto. If you have a misfeed / failure to eject on a semi-auto, you will have a hell of a time clearing the gun and getting it back into service with only one hand. If your revolver fails to fire, the response is simple: pull the trigger again. As for reloading, you'd better do a lot of practice. I have two functioning arms, but I practice one-handed reloads just in case.

Posted by: PabloD at December 4, 2008 11:06 PM

This is not really very surprising:

How the president-elect tapped into a powerful—and only recently studied—human emotion called "elevation."
By Emily Yoffe
For researchers of emotions, creating them in the lab can be a problem. Dacher Keltner, a professor of psychology at the University of California-Berkeley, studies the emotions of uplift, and he has tried everything from showing subjects vistas of the Grand Canyon to reading them poetry—with little success. But just this week one of his postdocs came in with a great idea: Hook up the subjects, play Barack Obama's victory speech, and record as their autonomic nervous systems go into a swoon.
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The 58 million McCain voters might say that the virtue and moral beauty displayed by Obama at his rallies was an airy promise of future virtue and moral beauty. And that the soaring feeling his voters had of having made the world a better place consisted of the act of placing their index fingers on a touch screen next to the words Barack Obama. They might be on to something. Haidt's research shows that elevation is good at provoking a desire to make a difference but not so good at motivating real action.
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It of course then dissembles about how even though Obama voters voted emotively their choice will still "open their hearts and minds to new possibilities" or some such crap (presumably negating the fact that the emotion does not in any way dictate action to 'change' stuff and become more moral)

Posted by: mandible claw at December 4, 2008 11:27 PM

A STALAGMITE THROUGH THE HEARTS OF THE WARMISTS

A stalagmite stabs right through the heart of “Global Warming.” Life is full of valuations and re-evaluations but nothing seems to register with the global warming bunch, not even stalagmites.

This latest Earth news from Reuters, “Climate Change May Explain Empires’ Fall,” http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSTRE4B35ZO20081204?feedType=RSS&feedName=scienceNews&rpc=22&sp=true, should but won’t shake the warmist’s deluded conviction that nasty, old Homo Sapiens are making Planet Earth much too toasty and may soon make it uninhabitable.

In their rush to a wrongful and a non-scientific political judgement, they’ve ignored every other report and all the other evidence that, yes, the globe has been growing a tad warmer of late but, no, people aren’t causing it.

Global warming is a natural phenomenon which, as with all natural phenomena, such as global cooling, will run its course no matter what we mere mortals say or do about it.

Seems now a couple of geologists have found geological evidence in a cave near Jerusalem that way back–up to two thousand years ago still constitutes way back, I believe–that that region experienced a significant drying out period, accompanied by prolonged drought conditions.

The closest thing to heavy industry at the time was clay pot making so that can’t account for the changing conditions as evidenced by rings on a stalagmite, one more factual tidbit that pierces the heart of the phony hot air balloon that is the global warming charade.

That scientists can keep a straight face...

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at December 5, 2008 12:51 AM

I bet the cans are full of malt liquor.

Posted by: Anti-PC Man at December 5, 2008 1:42 AM

DINO, are you a faggot?

Posted by: Anti-PC Man at December 5, 2008 1:50 AM

It's the AFTER TASTE that is going to ruin this countery!


(another thing you have DINO is your head up your ass)


*A LITTLE GUN HISTORY


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.


*In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total
of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.


China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated


Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.


Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.


Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.


It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:


List of 7 items:


Australia-wide, homicides are *up 3.2 percent*


Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent


Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!


In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!


While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.


There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns The
Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.


You won't see this datum on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.


Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.


Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!


The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
of this history lesson.


With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.


During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED!


According to FREUD, DINO, "A fear of Weapons is a sign of Retarded Sexual and Emotional Maturity".

Posted by: TED at December 5, 2008 5:37 AM

Modern England:Moonbattery and Child Abuse.

Posted by: V the K at December 5, 2008 5:41 AM

whino - people with guns usually are NOT the ones with the fear...they free us up to do other things...

Posted by: nanc at December 5, 2008 5:52 AM

Dino, of course we care about protecting ourselves.
We are worried about gun control because gun abolition is almost always the first step towards the imposition of a complete dictatorship. As TED pointed out, dictators know that tehy cannot easily maintain control over a population that is armed.
Interestingly enough, you act like we're just being paranoid, but your own deranged posts (Before they get rightfully deleted) often contain all of your psychotic fantasies about how much you want to have us all wiped out in a genocide. (And yet you have the gall to call US fascists?).

Posted by: Adam at December 5, 2008 6:12 AM

Farmer Ted- my first pistol was a Browning Hi-Power 9mm, loaded with 124-grain hydra-shok hollow points. God forbid I ever actually have to pull that trigger against a another human being.
I paid around $300 for it (slighty used, but in great condition mechanically). Something like that should be plenty of stopping power for you, at least in my own humble opinion.
I think what you have to do is go down to a range and fire a variety of things to see what you're comfortable with. We can give you all the advice in the world (and this IS a knowledgeable crowd) but the best decision will be made based on your comfort level with whatever you decide suits you best. Best of luck- and don't forget to buy a couple boxes of ammo to keep at home!

Posted by: Murff at December 5, 2008 6:54 AM

Remember what a big flop new coke was and after a few months COKE CLASSIC was soon back in the selves and cold cases and vending machines and frankly i wouldnt trying even for free

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at December 5, 2008 8:14 AM

Thank you everyone who has given me your opinions.
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Choke on that moonbats!! ;)

Posted by: Farmer Ted at December 5, 2008 2:56 PM

lets send that idiot DAN BARKER to another planet thats far away from our own milkyway so we no longer have to listen to his idiotic barking

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at December 7, 2008 3:06 PM