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I hope they change their minds in Chicago and provide the police with some 10 gauge magnum automatics for long shells. Some special ammo would go along: explosive shells, high velocity sabots, flechettes, teflon covered tungsten pellets, fragmented spring-wire wrapped explosive slugs, etc. When people shoot at cops, they should stand a good chance of having large portions of their heads and bodies converted into a red mist that drifts with the wind.

Moonbats: Citing teenagers as the voice of reason since 1968.

Well they're bound the win. The creative genius of rhyming "4" with "4" will just bowl their opposition over. Truly these are the leaders of the future.

I like the idea. Maybe they should push for the cops to have to follow all the gun laws and restrictions the little folks have to.
Maybe then the cops would not be so fast to disarm the populus. . .

Equip law-enforcement, especially in Chi-town, with those portable (albeit heavy) .50 cal. rifles -- talk about "red mist" -- Lord! Hit the tip of the little finger, off comes the whole arm, shoulder and half the chest. Think the bad guys might run like hell when they see one of those bad boys?

The end of crime as we know it.

I wonder if whoever programmed those fears into Jose went on to speculate just what the criminals would increase their firepower TO. What's the upgrade path?

Police should have to follow the same gun laws as innocent law abiding citizens. Why are they allowed to carry guns and people are not allowed to defend themselves?

That's a good looking weapon; where's the M203?

I'm sure the criminals in Chicago (even the ones not in elected office) would love it if the cops were unarmed or poorly armed compared to them.

I prefer a well tuned smiper rifle to a blow-em-away gun.
"He's got on body armor he's got on body armor. Well he dosen't have it on his head shoot him there." ~Ron White.

The M4 will punch through kevlar, unless they're wearing SAPI plates. You pick your weapon in context. It's hard to engage multiple hostiles in close quarters with a sniper rifle, especially a bolt. I'd have my M4 strapped on even if I was out sniping.

You mean only a puny 150 mindless moonbats chanting this stupid mindless poppycock? I,ll bet they wanted more teenage munant ninny zombies but couldnt get enough STILL A BUNCH OF MINDLESS LIBERAL MOONBAT IDIOTS

The "powerful" M4? HAHAHAHA
It's a .22 sportsfans. A poodleshooter.

single stack I can assure you the M4 isn't a .22. It's likely the police are using the .223 caliber, although some reputable companies make a fantastic .308 caliber. Problem is, that .308 will go through a lot of different materials, cinder block and drywall being a few examples. That's why I prefer it, personally, but it's also a consideration when you're analyzing a gun for use by a police force. I doubt they'd want errant shots going through walls and killing civilians. The 5.56 definitely comes in armor-piercing rounds, which is the main factor in using AR's by police forces. That's what I've read at least. The bad guys are getting sophisticated, so the police have to step it up. Some would have you think it was the other way around, but some people are stupid.

cowlove

You have it right. Heavy weapons in an urban environment would not always be optimum. That's why I suggest shotguns with a wide variety of ammo. (And the proper training). If a cop has the choice of ammo that can cut down highline poles and penetrate engine blocks and then switch to something like dove shot or plastic/rubber slugs, he has a chance of doing his job without killing everybody around or getting killed himself.

An auto 10 gauge magnum with a drum of double ought buck is an awesome weapon. When you multiply the number of 32 cal pellets per shot and then consider the number of shots you can let loose, it is more terrifying than a machine gun.

As far as rights go, anybody who shoots at a cop has only one right--an immediate violent death.

A pistol is an appropriate weapon to carry for a person who is NOT expecting a life-threatening encounter. You carry a pistol "just in case." Every cop should have an M-4 or similar firepower within arm's reach, precisely because they are expected to deal with life-threatening situations.

As far as rights go, anybody who shoots at a cop has only one right--an immediate violent death.

Remember this piece of crap?

Take him out back, shoot him, leave him in a shallow ditch.

Can't imagine what stopped anyone from voting for the death penalty in this case. If anyone "deserves" it, he does.

(And the proper training)

You've really hit the nail on the head here. You can give police forces all the M4's you want. Hell, give them some .50's. It doesn't make much difference if they aren't experts with their weapons. I'd trust a trained sniper who only had an air rifle before I'd trust a pretender with a M-16 clicked to full auto.

Do you remember when Glock came out with their compensated models? They were supposed to generate a downward recoil to help officers avoid the unfortunately common problem of firing into crowds after getting the first two rounds off. Gun recoils, aim gets higher and higher, innocent people die. Now, there are a lot of problems with compensated pistols (blindness when firing at night, powder burns and residue, etc.) but it's the fundamental theory that really stinks. Don't make weapons that correct human error. Eliminate the human error through proper training. Get that double-tap down. Understand proper firing opportunities and methods.

So, give these police departments all the firepower they need, with a caveat. Make sure these tools are used to best of their ability and only to the best of their ability.

You've really hit the nail on the head here. You can give police forces all the M4's you want. Hell, give them some .50's. It doesn't make much difference if they aren't experts with their weapons.
Posted by: cowlove at December 12, 2008 7:33 PM

cowlove - You got that right on. Especially in the PC world of affirmative action hiring. Consider the number of people on the Chicago force who were hired solely because they were the PC race/gender. Many because of Obama’s “community organizing”.

Kinda gives you shivers, huh?

Bah, you want a gun for urban warfare? Look no further:
The AA-12
Wait 'til you reach the 2 minute mark of the movie. This gun will make any criminal think twice.

Archonix, I too noticed the "clever" rhyme they came up with. Moonbats=morons

Just like the so called MILLION MOM MARCH it wasnt even close to being a million moms becuase they had more important things to do then listen to the mindless clucking of DOAANA DEES THMASES and ROSIE O,DONNELL but since it was in the WINDY CITY run by a demacrtaic windbag RICHARD DALEY the CHICAGO TRASHBIN probibly made big time hay outta this

single stack I can assure you the M4 isn't a .22. It's likely the police are using the .223 caliber

Um, yes it is a .22. A .223 is a centerfire .22.
Anyone who complains that it is "powerful" doesn't know anything about guns.
That's what I was laughing at.
I'm very familiar with the AR platform and variants like the M4. I've been shooting them for years.
My club shoots at the local police range and the cops use M4s chambered for 5.56 NATO, which is NOT the same as .223 Rem.

Here's a video of a couple of guys trying out a Russian Saiga 12. I guess you can get these with a 20 round clip. They take just about any shotgun shell in 12 gauge.

You never know when an Epson printer or something will annoy you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJRFqcukWCo&eurl=http://smf.rantradio.com/rantvideo-general/300-round-per-minute-automatic-military-shotgun-(video)/0/&feature=player_embedded

Why shouldn't the police have powerful weapons? The Left is so incredibly naive, it just kills me.

I was a police officer for 8 years in Bangor, Maine. My department ended up getting some M-4s after a guy went nuts and sprayed about 80 rounds of 7.62 from his crappy second-story apartment. He was using a Chinese made SKS. The patrol officers had nothing to respond with, so they had to wait until SWAT rolled up, which takes quite a while--Bangor doesn't have full-time SWAT, so guys had to respond from their homes or come in off the street to gear up.

These people are stupid and they get good people killed. They also ruin entire cultures, in my opinion, because they poison the thinking of others. Good only wins if good tries, and evil doesn't just go away. March away Moonbats, and don't stop until you get to France...

Liberals feel that the only reason these poor people like Jose, are shooting at the police is that no one understands them. Give them more Free stuff they'll be happy and become church going upstanding citizens.

Take away from the people who have (Including guns)and Chicago will become paradise.

So folks Obamessiah has the right Idea.......

Can I interest anyone in Illinois in some Beach front property in Arizona?

"Every cop should have an M-4 or similar firepower within arm's reach"

I know it's not the same as an M4, but I wish Ruger was still making the PC9 and PC4.

These idiots want gun control but their still shooting off their mouths

Rem .223 is not QUITE the same as 5.56x45 (lower pressure and slightly shorter neck) but to even compare it to .22LR is absurd. 5.56x45 is not "powerful" in comparison to some much bigger rounds, but an SS109 5.56 is specified to penetrate 1/2" steel plate at 100m. Your .22 wouldn't even dent it.

You can get AR-15/M4 upper receivers in 7.62x39, and the latest is the 6.8SPC, which as I understand compares favorably to 7.62x51 in terminal ballistics and thumping power. The lower receiver won't allow for .308/7.62x51.

Police (and bystanders) would definitely most often be best off with one of the 12ga options in a populous urban environment, especially inside. I would be offended to have police bullets whizzing through my wall just because my neighbor was acting up.

5.56x45, 7.62x39, 6.8spc, 50 BMG... that's why I like this website: we know how to celebrate diversity, and we have tolerance for fans of all calibers, large and small.

I never compared the .223 to the .22LR. If you will reread my posts you'll see that I never mentioned it. And the .223 IS a .22, hence the nomenclature. It's also a pipsqueak. The only cartridges less powerful are the rimfires.
You seem to have missed the point of my first post. I was laughing at the ignoramus who was complaining that the M4 is too powerful.
I'm very familiar with the ballistics of the .223 and the 5.56 NATO. They will penetrate house walls in an urban environment so if the cops go after a bad guy in your neighborhood it might be a good idea to be prepared to be offended.

If law abiding citizens were allowed to openly carry assault rifles there would be a lot less crime to begin with.

I was watching Weaponology and saw a shotgun type gun that fired 40mm mortar rounds. Can anyone tell me the name and how about that for fighting scumbags? ;)

Farmer Ted,
If it was a single shot, break open type weapon it was probably a M79, nicknamed the "bloop tube" from the Vietnam era.
It is a Class III destructive device and falls under the National Firearms Act of 1934, meaning it is legally treated the same as a machine gun.

Now you know what the old 70s peace symbol was the sign of the AMERICAN CHICKENS And i bet that chicagos jerk mayor RICHARD DAILY was fully behand these 150 mindless moonbat zombies

Singlestack,
It was a semi-auto with a round magazine in the middle of the weapon. I can't remember the name but the host of the show Mack former SEAL siad it has been deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thanks for the info.

Farmer Ted

I think you might mean the M-32 Multiple Shot Grenade Launcher. It can throw 6 40mm rounds in about 3 seconds. I don't think this is a tactical police weapon. It would be possible to wipe out whole neighborhoods with this thing. (Maybe all the police who watch some of the marches in San Francisco should be required to carry these with extra drums of ammo.)

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/03/marines_fight_w.html

Snowsnake,
Thanks for the info. It's quite an impressive weapon.

150 people?

ok.

WARNING I ACCELARATE FOR MOONBATS

There is a weapon similar to the M32 that is available to law enforcement that shoots beanbags.
There is also a revolving cylinder shotgun that is similar to the M32 called the Street Sweeper that makes moonbats wet their pants faster than almost anything else.
I don't know if the 3 weapons share a common pedigree or not.
If they would replace the Mack guy that show would be ok. I think he's a dingleberry.

PHASERS ON STUN

Well I definitely learned something single stack.

I'm still not sure I'd call the .223 a poodleshooter, but it's amazing what a little more load will do... ;)