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November 22, 2008

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You're getting liberal… more liberal… On a tip from nanc.

Posted by Van Helsing at November 22, 2008 9:17 AM

Comments

That graphic is really messed up Van.

Is that what they used on the MSM a couple of years ago?

Posted by: Oiao at November 22, 2008 9:23 AM

"We will change you, Dr. Jones, all of you, from the inside. We will turn you into us. And the best part? You won't even know it's happening." - Irina Spalko in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Only difference from those days (1957 is when the plot of IJ4 takes place) is... no one would dare to do a "Better Dead Than Red" demonstration today.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 22, 2008 9:33 AM

I'm getting sleepy... very sleepy...

Your will is my command. I will obey...

Posted by: Henry at November 22, 2008 9:33 AM

AHHHCCHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

i want a snicker's bar...

Posted by: nanc at November 22, 2008 9:36 AM

You have GOT to see this

http://saynototheleft.blogspot.com/2008/11/obamasiah-cult-celebrates-christmas.html

Posted by: Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder at November 22, 2008 9:36 AM

On closer inspection, I see that we have nanc to thank for fishing up that little gem of a graphic.

Thanks nanc, I think.........wait........my ability to think conservative .. ........nooooooooooooooooooooo

Posted by: Oiao at November 22, 2008 9:39 AM

GIVE ME ALL YOUR SNICKER'S BARS!

Posted by: nanc at November 22, 2008 9:56 AM

I will be assimilated...

Posted by: Jimbo at November 22, 2008 11:35 AM

BO should, as a loyal American, prove that he is a native-born citizen by releasing his birth certificate. He is dishonest so he won't, (possibly as has been suggested, bc the certificate lists Muslim as his religion).
Hawaiian officials state that the law prevents them from revealing the certificate. Untrue. The law states that a personal birth certificate cannot be released without a tangible interest or reason. There is one.

The authenticity of the birth certificate has been authenticated visually by one person: Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's department of health. She has authority to release the document.

She should do this in order to dispel suggestions of inauthenticity and save the conspiracy theorists on the right from themselves.

Posted by: Fiberal at November 22, 2008 12:41 PM

The birth certificate thing is a very dead issue. Harping on old news makes you look desperate and unintelligent.

You might want to check out what Sen Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said Friday. He's looking forward to seeing Mr. Bush leave and thinks Obama is doing all the right things. Quite an endorsement from a conservative Senator.

Perhaps it's time to open up and during these difficult, challenging times, support your country and it's President, and try and move us all forward together. Opposition for opposition's sake is not going to behoove anyone and could actually damage you cause. Just like the militant gays protesting Proposition 8, you look bad for opposing a man who has yet to assume the office simply because you could not defeat him at the ballot box.

Posted by: yoda at November 22, 2008 1:12 PM

It's a fringe issue, yoda, but Obama's reaction to it speaks to his character. A man of honor, a leader, doesn't hide behind a phalanx of lawyers.

If we think he's bad for the country and his ideology will lead us to ruin then it's opposition on a fundamental principle, is it not? A better reason, imho, than the blind hatred we've seen from the left for the last several years.

Posted by: comet at November 22, 2008 2:00 PM

A video response to the hubbub about Sarah Palin and the turkey slaughter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEslz-ESRcI

*WARNING: MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR MINORS*

Posted by: Moonbat Smasher at November 22, 2008 2:02 PM

...you look bad for opposing a man who has yet to assume the office simply because you could not defeat him at the ballot box.
~yoda

That's a mistaken premise. This isn't an Us vs Them issue, yoda. I don't presume to speak for anyone but me - I oppose Statism and Collectivism. Obama is a Statist and a Collectivist. Everything he's said and promised to do is premised on the idea that the government is the central force in society.

Posted by: Kevin R at November 22, 2008 2:58 PM

Perhaps it's time to open up and during these difficult, challenging times, support your country and it's President, and try and move us all forward together.

That is rich.

As you Leftists have caterwauled repeatedly over the last 8 years: I didn't vote for him. He's not MY president.

I am going to stay on the side of the angels and oppose this virulent Marxist, racial supremacist administration. How anyone can openly support a man who countenances the out right murder of infants is beyond me.

You and your 'president' will receive the same courtesy from me that we have received from you in the last 8 years.

That is: none at all.

Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2008 3:33 PM

Speaking of Obama's mentors:

Billy Ayers whines it’s all the media’s fault (Updated 2x)

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/billy-ayers-whines-its-all-the-medias-fault/

Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2008 3:34 PM

Harping on old news makes you look desperate and unintelligent.

I quite agree YODA. In the spirit of bi-partisanship, would you kindly say that to any and all LIBERALS who still claim that the 2000 election was "stolen" even though all investigations including LIBERAL ones have proven otherwise?

Posted by: KHarn at November 22, 2008 6:12 PM

Bush didn't receive anywhere near the treatment Obama is getting before he assumed the office. He was not opposed in 2000 as Obam is now. That's what sets liberals apart from conservatives. They see both sides and are not as ideologically driven to oppose reflexively.

Since then his war stance and now his and his party's poor management of the economy are garnering his some hatred as evidenced by the election results. That's unfortunate for us and for his legacy. I think Americans want to like their leaders, Mr. Bush just made taht difficult.

On the Bill Ayers front, I have good inside information that he will be at the very least an adivsor to President Obama on issues dealing with education and at the most Secretary of Education. He's a brilliant man, one of the top minds in the country on education.

I think maybe some of you need to understand that, well, the country doesn't really belong to you anymore, that the people are asking for a different direction. Unless you want to be left behind, you should start thinking of how you can contribute some positive energy to the future of our country by standing by your leaders in cooperation and not mindless opposition.

You'll probably be happier and live longer too.

Posted by: yoda at November 22, 2008 6:20 PM

now that i have all the snicker bars i don't know if i want to share them or not...

Posted by: nanc at November 22, 2008 6:31 PM

Bush didn't receive anywhere near the treatment Obama is getting before he assumed the office. He was not opposed in 2000 as Obam is now. That's what sets liberals apart from conservatives. They see both sides and are not as ideologically driven to oppose reflexively.

Uh, yoda? This is a description of which parallel universe exactly?

Since then his war stance and now his and his party's poor management of the economy are garnering his some hatred as evidenced by the election results.

Other than a brief bout of bipartisan popularity following 9/11, Bush was reviled by the Left at all times. The Far Left (Communists a.k.a. Progressives) didn't even give him the period of 9/11 for support, calling instead for "understanding what drove the other side to do this to us." (Or, in Obama's words: "A failure of human empathy")

On the Bill Ayers front, I have good inside information...

"I have inside information" is the one sort of expression that sends my BS detector buzzing like crazy.

...that he will be at the very least an adivsor to President Obama on issues dealing with education and at the most Secretary of Education. He's a brilliant man, one of the top minds in the country on education.

If terrorist Bill Ayers gets put in charge of indoctrinating our kids in "social justice" (code for Marxism), then the Messiah will have been the cause of a homeschooling boom as well as a gun sales boom. Both of which, no doubt, the government will set out to outlaw.

I think maybe some of you need to understand that, well, the country doesn't really belong to you anymore, that the people are asking for a different direction.

The country belongs to the brave and the free. The fact that even a majority of dupes want to go the way of the Eurosocialist lemmings is irrelevant to our Constitution. We're the watchdogs of the Constitution. Our liberties are not to be toyed with.

Unless you want to be left behind, you should start thinking of how you can contribute some positive energy to the future of our country by standing by your leaders in cooperation and not mindless opposition.

I'm tired of this. Let me show you something. From the post, Zawahiri calls Obama a "house negro":

Kick his ass, Barry.
JammieWearingFool on November 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM
Second that.
DrSteve on November 19, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Insofar as Obama will stand for U.S. interests, I for one (and, as you can see, a lot of other right-wingers) am going to give him my full support. But if he uses his power to remake the U.S. in the image of the EUSSR, then it's ixnay on the ipartisanship-bay.

Informed cooperation? Check. Mindless opposition? Not on your life. But if you're looking for mindless cooperation, then go look elsewhere. Everything clear now?

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 22, 2008 6:43 PM

I do believe my information on Mr. Ayers is indeed correct. He's a brilliant man. You'll be honored to have him helping decide how best to educate your children.

I don't know, it seems that I've seen a lot of baseless opposition to President Obama. He has not even assumed the office and his Cabinet picks have been praised from all quarters, even by republicans.

His ideological leanings are no doubt a hint at how he'll govern us. Should we not try any liberal polices? Should they be banned somehow? Why is it that you believe the only legitimate government is one that adopts only conservative polices?

If you think about it, we're all liberals. The ideas of freedom, equality and opportunity are liberal ideas considering history and human cultural evolution. It was a very liberal idea to break from monarchy, the feudal system and other forms of culture that were based solely on lineage and legacy. Liberal ideas took us this far, why stop there?

Abandoning the status quo is hard for many humans to do. That said I do believe many people want a break with the past policies as evidenced by President Obama's stunning victory over Senator McCain. President Obama won twice as many more votes over his opponent as Mr. Bush did in 2004, 3 million for Mr. Bush, nearly 7 million for President Obama. That's very significant. If the people had wanted a continuation of conservative polices they would have given the highest office in the nation to Sen. McCain. They did not.

Posted by: yoda at November 22, 2008 7:04 PM

The birth certificate thing is a very dead issue. Harping on old news makes you look desperate and unintelligent.

Yoda: I realize that this is probably too much for you to digest, but give it a shot and learn.

Its Forbes.com 11/21/08 (David Serchuk) which does not make it old news; also due to the following:



Paraphrasing - Philip Berg has filed in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., under the False Claims Act, "I am basing this on the fact that as a U.S. senator [Obama] is collecting money illegally because he is not a citizen of this country," he says.

Further, on October 31 (hey that seems kinda recent) Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a press release stating that she had personally seen and verified that Hawaii's state department of health has Obama's original birth certificate on record.



So bc Fukino did not say that the birth certificate was American, Berg is now (still) bouncing off the walls.



You also miss the sense of my post: I disagree with the efforts of Berg; I think this is a LOSER ISSUE and a bad cause for conservatives to be associated with. I've said this before and I'll repeat my opinion for your benefit: Even if faced with hard and certain evidence, the Supreme Court would not put the country through a constitutional crisis; rather they would soften the definition of "citizen" to accommodate the integrity and continuity of the presidency, at least for the tenure of BO.



I think Americans want to like their leaders, Mr. Bush just made taht difficult.

You should note that every politician is heavily scrutinized for past or present weakness, foibles or misdeeds. This has simply not been the case for BO. Part of the reason why there is interest in this and other aspects of the man's carefully sequestered and filtered history is that when things do come out (Wright, ayers, Alinsky, campaign finances, etc.) they are unbecoming a man assuming the most powerful office in the world. The point is, BO has not been properly vetted and this naturally enough generates negative interest, but in the case of the birth certificate, I believe it is misdirected.



you should start thinking of how you can contribute some positive energy to the future of our country by standing by your leaders in cooperation and not mindless opposition.


And your model for this is what? The despicable way Ronald Reagan was treated by press and liberals for years? The way GH Bush was ridiculed by press and liberals, or the way GW Bush was treated by the liberal press/propaganda machine (it worked: some losers still believe the 2000 election was stolen..talk about dead issues).



BTW you ought not to go around accusing people of not supporting their country when you don't have your facts straightened out and you don't know exactly to which issues you're referring.

Posted by: Fiberal at November 22, 2008 7:15 PM

I think maybe some of you need to understand that, well, the country doesn't really belong to you anymore, that the people are asking for a different direction. Unless you want to be left behind, you should start thinking of how you can contribute some positive energy to the future of our country by standing by your leaders in cooperation and not mindless opposition.

LOL!

That is the funniest, most deluded and most hypocritical thing you have posted thus far.

Way to hit the trifecta of moonbat cult of personality indicators.

Bravo!

I'll send the orderlies your way with an amp of Thorazine so you can rejoin the rest of us in a quaint little dimension the rest of the world likes to call reality.

Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2008 9:05 PM

BTW you ought not to go around accusing people of not supporting their country when you don't have your facts straightened out and you don't know exactly to which issues you're referring.

Posted by: Fiberal at November 22, 2008 7:15 PM

Exactly.

Like the same way the Obamas, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Jeremiah Wright, and the black supremacist kook in the bow tie (you know, the one that thinks the military blew up the levees in New Orleans during Katrinet to flood the 'black part; of town') all 'support America'?

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Louis Farrakhan: Levees Were 'Blown Up'
NewsMax.com ^ | Sept. 14, 2005

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan is telling his followers that the levees in New Orleans may have been deliberately "blown up" to kill the city's black population.

The influential preacher was in Charlotte, North Carolina on Monday, where he detailed his Hurricane Katrina conspiracy theory.

"I heard from a very reliable source who saw a 25 foot deep crater under the levee breach," Farrakhan explained. "It may have been blown up to destroy the black part of town and keep the white part dry."

Farrakhan didn't say who he thought was behind the plot to blow up New Orleans' levees.

The Muslim minister also blasted both FEMA and the Red Cross, saying their response to Katrina victims after the levees were blown up was inadequate.

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Jeremiah Wright - Obama's Spiritual Mentor
youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE

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Michele Obama - Not Proud of America
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4f9af_obama_news

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Obama's Pal Bill Ayers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nPLer261W4

Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2008 9:13 PM

Here's a black preacher you might like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0

Posted by: Anonymous at November 22, 2008 11:04 PM

Here's a preacher you might like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0

Posted by: jomama at November 22, 2008 11:19 PM

TEEN SEX PART FIVE: COMMENTS

As promised, the following represents a very slightly edited selection of comments on the four preceding installments on the teen sex revolution in America. They include some previously posted comments for those who may have missed them. My responses are in italics:

mefistofelerevised

“The one year my daughter went to public school was enough. The teacher was a left wing jerk (woman). Of course she just won a award from her peers. In an interview with the local paper she said she got into teaching ‘to mold their views.’ I was the only parent, supposedly, who wouldn’t let my kid attend this ugly woman’s sex education class (sixth grade). At least the school required her to send a notice about the days of sex ed.”

Just as many “journalists” are now dedicated to shaping and shading news rather than doing their jobs of reporting the news, many “educators” are like this “educator,” far less committed to teaching than they are to molding children’s views on sex, social issues, political issues, and acceptance of homosexuality and bi-sexuality.

driftdiver

“How much sex ed do our kids really need if its only about safe sex and not getting pregnant? They’d need two hours maybe. But it takes time to indoctrinate all those other agendas.”

Amen!

generally

“You are what you eat. You are what you play. Just as you can get by eating junk food for a while before it catches up to you, so, too, can you get by with filling your mind with violent activity for a while. But just like the poor food diet eventually affects your body, a steady diet of violence eventually affects the way your brain functions.

Anyone who plays sports or music knows that when you practice something over and over, you learn it as a reflex. You are able to do it more and more easily with less and less thought. It becomes ‘normal’ to you.”

So, too, do steady diets of disturbed propaganda tend to corrupt young minds.

Crystal Cove

“I didn’t see anything about consequences in your article.”

Gene Lalor to Crystal Cove

I didn’t condone what rock stars, et al. do. I’m simply aware that the consequences for girls are far greater than they are for males. Aren’t you?...

(Read the rest of these comments at http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 23, 2008 1:38 AM

"I do believe my information on Mr. Ayers is indeed correct. He's a brilliant man. You'll be honored to have him helping decide how best to educate your children."
Yes, if I were a parent, I'd sure be privileged to have an unrepentant ex- domestic terrorist who wishes he could have blown up more buildings and people (And whose wife is a big fan of the Manson family, by her own admission) being the one to decide what my children would be taught. (sarc)
I'd had nightmare scenarios about Obama appointing that madman to a position of high authority, but back then, I'd thought they were unfounded. Hopefully they still are, because hopefully what you've said will turn out to be a total crock.
btw, it's not appropriate for you to call him "President Obama" just yet. Last time I checked, George W. Bush is still president until January of 2009.
Comet did a good job of talking about the birth certificate problem. It's not an important issue, but how Obama's reacting to it is saying a lot about his character.
In either case, I frequently pray for Obama, and hope he'll make the right choices, but based on the ideologies he's spouted and the ideas he's put forward, I think that'll take a first- class miracle.

Posted by: Adam at November 23, 2008 4:51 AM

It's my considered opinion that the '0' won't do jack shit with Bill Ayers. If "We Didn't Do Enough" Bill is appointed to anything higher than D. C. Dogcatcher, there are only two possible outcomes.

1) The media will fall on him like a pack of dogs (the way they did with Palin), which will pull the wool from the sheeple's eyes...

2) The media will try to cover up his past, which will set off BS detectors for all the 'moderates' who elected this idjit.

Either way, Chairman Zero loses. Ayers is going to be forgotten by offical fiat, never to be heard of in public again. Expect lots of phone calls from him to 1600 Pennsylvania, though.

Posted by: hiram at November 23, 2008 7:02 AM

The GOP strategist had been joking about the upcoming presidential election and giving his humorous assessments of the candidates. Then he suddenly cut out the schtick and got scary serious. "Let me tell you something, if Democrats take the White House and pass a big-government healthcare plan, that's it. Game over. Government will dominate the economy like it does in Europe. Conservatives will spend the rest of their lives trying to turn things around and they will fail..."


...Recently, I stumbled across this analysis of how nationalized healthcare in Great Britain affected the political environment there. As Norman Markowitz in Political Affairs, a journal of "Marxist thought," puts it: "After the Labor Party established the National Health Service after World War II, supposedly conservative workers and low-income people under religious and other influences who tended to support the Conservatives were much more likely to vote for the Labor Party when health care, social welfare, education and pro-working class policies were enacted by labor-supported governments."


Passing Obamacare would be like performing exactly the opposite function of turning people into investors. Whereas the Investor Class is more conservative than the rest of America, creating the Obamacare Class would pull America to the left. Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute, who first found that wonderful Markowitz quote, puts it succinctly in a recent blog post: "Blocking Obama's health plan is key to the GOP's survival."

Posted by: Anonymous at November 23, 2008 7:42 AM

sorry, that was from James Pethokoukis, at U.S. News and World Report

Posted by: Anonymous at November 23, 2008 7:44 AM

I do believe my information on Mr. Ayers is indeed correct. He's a brilliant man. You'll be honored to have him helping decide how best to educate your children.

I have to give this bit of trolling a 3/10. Not bad, but not quite subtle enough. It's a little too over the top to be believable, but do keep trying. You've almost got it.

Posted by: Evil Otto at November 23, 2008 10:20 AM

I do believe my information on Mr. Ayers is indeed correct. He's a brilliant man. You'll be honored to have him helping decide how best to educate your children.

That must explain the overall terrficness of the Chicago Public Schools Ayers has been "reforming" for the last twenty years. Gosh! I bet those are the best schools evah! Especially on the South Side.

Posted by: V the K at November 23, 2008 11:56 AM

JOY BEHAR AND THE NEA

“The View’s” views are so skewed to the left that the show should be re-named “The Leftist View” and none of its panelists is more liberal, ignorant, hateful, and bigoted than Joy Behar.

Sometimes, however, Behar outdoes herself in the stupid department such as when she recently said of kids who are taught at home, “A lot of them are demented when they’re homeschooled.”

Feel free to watch the clip here and notice that Behar’s outrageous put down of homeschooling gets barely a blip of a reaction from the other women on “The View:” http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/19/demented-joy-behar-disses-homeschool-students/.

Even the only conservative voice on the show, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, who normally takes on Behar, doesn’t react nor does the clownish Whoopi nor the Botox queen, Baba Wawa.

I guess it becomes tiresome to react to Behar’s ignorance when it’s so repetitive.

Calling homeschooled kids demented, however, demands rebuttal since the comment reflects an attack on all those kids and on their parents who are choosing to bypass the traditional educational system in favor of having control over what their kids learn and how they learn it.

The chief articulated criticisms of homeschooling is that the home teachers, normally the parents, are unqualified to properly instruct their charges and that as a result of being isolated from their peers for six or so hours a day, the children are missing the “socializaton” they would experience in a classroom environment on a daily basis with twenty or thirty other kids.

What goes unspoken is that homeschooled kids and their at-home teacher-parents have the audacity to buck the establishment.

Aside from the fact that Behar is totally unqualified to make her own pronouncements on every issue confronting the human race, her dissing of homeschooling is truly over the top.

The divorced mother...

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 23, 2008 4:20 PM

THANKSGIVING EXPOSED PART ONE

It’s beginning to feel a lot like Christ-mas….

Well, not really, except maybe in the northeast where the frigid temps are once again proving that Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truths are very convenient lies.

Stores have been ramping up for Christmas since Halloween, excuse me, for the “Holiday Season.” God forbid they give any recognition to the true reason for the season, the birth of Jesus Christ two thousand years ago, but that’s an issue I’ll get to in a few weeks.

Right now, most of us are prepping for the quintissential American holiday, Thanksgiving, quintissentially ours even if Canadians borrowed it and celebrated it a few weeks ago so they could do so while their weather was still temperate and before much of their land freezes over til April.

It’s the most traveling-est of all our holidays when kids and grandkids ramble over the rivers and through the woods and pack airplanes and trains and Greyhounds so they can visit Grandpa and Grandma before the latter kick off and forget them in their wills.

Okay, that’s a tad cynical, a cynicism perhaps fueled by today’s leftist revisionists who now want us to think that the original Thanksgiving and hence our celebrations today were and are fraudulent.

It was bad enough when those revisionists called Columbus a murdering racist and labelled many of our Founding Fathers nasty slavers and exposed Lincoln as a borderline psychotic but now Thanksgiving is also in their sights as yet another Big Lie.

You really have to wonder what inspires and motivates alleged Americans to work tirelessly to undermine our long-held and sacred beliefs.

I suggest the cause is mainly their “liberalism,” their “leftism,” their fundamental distrust and hatred of the country that affords them the privilege of attacking “their” country, confident that their sorry butts won’t end up in jail or that they won’t be consigned to a gulag or that they will be put before a firing squad.

I freely and of my own volition concede that I prescribe to the outdated view that, May my country ever be right but I love and support my country, right or wrong.

That idea appears to be outdated in some quarters.

Consider these quarters: ...

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 24, 2008 1:26 AM

OBAMA COULD VERY WELL BE THE ANTICHRIST HE IS A EVIL MAN I MEAN BEHIND THE SMILE OF A ANGEL IS THE SOUL OF A DEVIL

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at November 24, 2008 7:58 AM