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November 19, 2008

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Posted by Van Helsing at November 19, 2008 7:11 AM

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from reuter's:"

"The Muslim nation received with extreme bitterness your hypocritical ... stance toward Israel," he said. "You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand with the enemies of Muslims."

zawahiri to bho. people, the other shoe is dropping - what with this and the advent of "shariah" banking in the u.s. - our boat may have just been given a blow to the bow.

Posted by: nanc at November 19, 2008 7:33 AM

Acutally that depicts COMMUNISM as its said the Socialism is just Communism WITHOUT a gun pointed at your head.

Posted by: Name at November 19, 2008 7:43 AM

this guy ohdeeeed on the kool-aid!

just think of the people who will be disappointed to find that bho CANNOT walk on water.

Posted by: nanc at November 19, 2008 8:48 AM

You guys have to just admit that conservativism has failed and embrace libertarian philosophies. Libertarianism is very similar, it just lacks the hypocracy of the Republican party.

Republicans bitch and moan about welfare and socialism, but yet LOVE it for themselves. The midwest and south is awash with famers that don't farm, they get government subsidies. Food stamps are issued in the deep south and midwest more than anywhere else. Every citizen of Alaska gets thousands of dollars from oil companies for not doing ANYTHING, just living there- and even Sarah Palin said that oil companies are "redistrubting the wealth" to the citizens.

Here in NH, we MEAN it when we say we are against welfare and subsidies, and we get less than any other state. Whereas crime, poor education, and poverty are the hallmarks of the south, New Hampshire is ranked very low for crime and poverty and very high for education- and we manage to accomplish this with no taxes and almost no social welfare. That's because we are not hypcrites, unlike the Republicans who are just fine with socialism for rural whites, just not black urbanites.

Libertarians also aren't hypocrits when it comes to getting the government out of our business. When a republican says he doesn't want the government interferance, he only means for things HE likes to do...he is just fine with the government regulating OTHER people's personal business. There has been case after case, most famously in Texas a couple years ago, where red states have actually tried to illegalize consensual gay sex acts like sodomy. That Republicans want to illegalize what goes on in a man's bedroom is unconcionable, I don't care how gross or deviant what they're doing is. It's their business and Mama government has no place telling them what to do.

Here in NH, I appreciate that if *I* want personal freedom, I have to afford it to others as well, even if I do not engage in their activities. The government doesn't get involved. That means I get to own as many guns as I want, but also my farmer neighbor gets to grow weed for his own personal use and smoke it and I'm not going to complain about that either. Though marijuana has not been officially decriminalized, the laws are not enforced so long as people are just using it themselves and not destributing.

New Hampshire is a test case for libertarianism. Since we have become a libertarian mecca, our standing as a state has vastly improved, while red southern and mid western Republican states are mired in poverty and crime, ignorance and crack pot conspiracy theories. Republicans are increasingly ignored as drumb red necks who are enslaved to the barely literate ramblings of Rush Limbaugh, their God, and nothing more.

Thinking Republicans need to jump ship and join the libertarians. We MEAN it when we say each man can make his own way without government assistance, and that the government needs to stay our of our lives. Republicans say it, but state statistics and stances on issues like marijuana and homosexual sex PROVES that they don't mean it.

If Republicans were honest, they'd be Libertarians!

Posted by: Anonymous at November 19, 2008 9:37 AM

Libertarians? Yeah, they do real well in elections. Not. How many votes did the Libertarian Presidential candidate Bob Barr get?

Posted by: Anonymous at November 19, 2008 9:49 AM

Obama's top picks for CIA includes JIM JONES. Time to drink the Kool-Aid people! Ok, its not THAT Jim Jones, but it would be funny if he did pick him.

http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275103.html

"General James L. Jones is widely rumored to be Obama's preferred candidate to be White House National Security Adviser... Jones prepared a report on Israel's policies in the territories... The World Tribune said it "blasted Israel's role" for "hampering the movement of PA forces, blocking plans for weapons shipments and technology to the Palestinians and resisting coordination." ... Obama said this about Jones: "Let me tell you who I associate with... If I'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar...or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.""

Posted by: Name at November 19, 2008 9:54 AM

Fortunately for Anonymous, there are places where he can meet other arrogant, ego-centric liberaltarians.

Sample Libertarian Personals ad: "You should contact me if you are a skinny woman. If your words are a meaningful progression of concepts rather than a series of vocalizations induced by your spinal cord for the purpose of complementing my tone of voice. If you’ve seen the meatbot, the walking automaton, the pod-people, the dense, glazy-eyed substrate through which living organisms such as myself must escape to reach air and sunlight."

It's even funnier if you imagine it read outloud by Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons.

Oh, and BTW, the oh-so-libertarian state of New Hampshire went for the Big O and sent another Democrat to the Senate this year. New Hampshire may have been a bastion of free market, small government conservatism at one time, but it's being over-run by Taxachusetts liberals. Those low taxes and that hand's-off government won't last long.

Posted by: V the K at November 19, 2008 9:58 AM

Libertarians have some good ideas but as a party they are a joke. They are equivalent to the Green Party. Its considered a success when they get 500,000 votes in presidential election.

The most successful independent candidate in recent history was Ross Perot in 1992 with nearly 19% of the vote and not even he wanted to run as a Libertarian.

Anyone thinking if a few Republicans join up with Libertarians they are going to win elections, they arent being delusional.


Posted by: Name at November 19, 2008 10:13 AM

While there are some parts of libertarianism I agree with... limited government and low taxes... I think libertarianism in the last decade or so has become selfish and egocentric.

When someone says it's not the government's responsibility to take care of other people, I'm sympathetic to that. But lately, that's turned into "It's *no one's* responsibility to take care of other people, in fact, it may be wrong to take care of other people." That's where libertarianism lost me.

Posted by: V the K at November 19, 2008 10:23 AM

Conservatism has not failed. Republicans have failed conservatism, not the other way around. This last Presidential election saw a far-left Marxist defeat a centrist-on-a-good-day populist by a narrow margin. Conservatives had no horse in this race. And I'm with V the K on libertarianism. There's a lot to like about it, if you can get past the arrogance and smug self-righteousness of it all. I never got the impression that libertarians think that it is wrong for *anyone* to take care of others, merely that that is what charities and private organizations are for (churches, etc). Government has no business in housing, finance, education, child care, health care, elder care, or anything of that sort - those are positions I can get behind. Government is inherently 1) wasteful; 2) corrupt; 3) unaccountable, and yet the moonbat left (and the big-government right - W, McCain, et al) want the government to put its fingers into more and more aspects of American life, despite all evidence against this being a good idea. W is a Rebublican, not a conservative. Ditto McCain. The best thing that could have happened to conservatives was for the Republicans to lose this election - it gives us a chance to take our party back.

I will say, though, that it makes a nice change having a libertarian troll, rather than the usual cut-and-paste libtards. Libertarians can usually at least put a reasonable sentence together and make some semblance of a coherent argument, unlike the average lefty. I blame public schooling.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at November 19, 2008 12:13 PM

Socialism WE TAKE YOUR CAR WE TAKE YOUR FOOD WE TAKE YOUR MONEY WE TAKE YOUR CLOTHES THE TAKE YOUR GRANNY WE TAKE YOUR KITCHEN SINK AND YOU LIVE IN CITY DUMP

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at November 19, 2008 12:20 PM

careful there coder - remember this past spring when red state made libertarians comment in haiku if they were going to speak about their candidates?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha!

i have a couple of libertarian friends and our son insists upon being one when he becomes of age.

Posted by: nanc at November 19, 2008 2:13 PM

Comment Du Jour:

I’m hardly the most religious guy you’d ever want to meet. My last church service was my wedding, some four years ago. And that was a Unitarian service. Really, my main concern in politics is maintaining my freedom. And, in practical, definable terms, the daily threats to my liberty are not being pushed by religious conservatives. It wasn’t religious conservatives who’ve told me I’m breaking the law if I light up in a bar. It wasn’t religious conservatives who’ve forbidden me from buying food made with trans fats. It wasn’t religious conservatives who pushed speech codes on our college campuses and dictate hate crimes laws. It wasn’t religious conservatives who’ve made it a bureaucratic journey to buy a gun to protect my home and family. It isn’t religious conservatives I see trying to revive the fairness doctrine to specifically silence their political opposition. It wasn’t religious conservatives to gave us “campaign finance reform”. It isn’t the religious conservatives who have told me that I have to separate my trash, even to the point of removing individual trashcans in my office building.
Put bluntly, I can’t help but feel I’m being sold a bill of goods here. Progressives, with the full consent of moderates,…chip away consistently and unabashedly at my freedom. All the while, telling me how scared I should be of the religious conservative bogeyman hiding under the bed. ... Moreover, I’m getting a little more than tired of being told to be scared about the threat to my liberty posed by my allies by people whose own behavior tells me they want nothing more than to restrict my freedom.

Posted by: V the K at November 19, 2008 3:03 PM

I think the Libertarians should join the Republican ranks, not the other way around. Limited government, property rights, and constitutional republicanism are the things that should unite us so come-on Libertarians - there are more votes here; and good, consistent arguments for these ideals are exactly what we need. Even if Obama really wrecks things, if there isn't a clear alternative to Statism lovers of freedom don't stand a chance. Someone reminded me recently that even though FDR kept on screwing things up he also kept on winning elections. There wasn't a clear alternative to his Statist policies.

Posted by: Kevin R at November 19, 2008 3:24 PM

TEEN SEX: WHAT WE HAVE WROUGHT

Shortly after posting the previous article asking the rhetorical question of what have we wrought in this country with regard to teen sexuality, the reaction and reactions were almost as startling as the reactions to Tyra Banks’ report on the subject.

They ranged from those who thought it a marvy idea to procreate young,
dbz77 : “It is clear that we were designed/evolved to have kids in our teens…Were we designed defectively?”

to shock at the very thought, waxer1 : “Just yesterday my co-worker told me her 14 year old daughter is pregnant. 14!! …Then the boyfriend called my co-worker yesterday and wanted to spend the night with her daughter!!! She told him absolutely not!!!! …Her boyfriend is 17! In my opinion, she did not supervise her daughter very well…his parents were even more permissive considering the reaction of his mom. She wanted to be a grandma so bad”

to the practical, caver: “I’d like to ask her [the 17 year old mother] in a few years if she thinks that was still a good idea. She is looking forward to no husband/father, lower income and a miserable life,”

to the angry, Dawn531: “The article blames the problem on not enough sex education. These kids don’t need sex education, they know the consequences of unprotected sex,…They need “morals” education, and unfortunately that has to come from home, and from school and it isn’t being taught in either place.”

Whew!

I threatened worse news for this second installment.

Tyra Banks was “shocked” not only with the results of her survey of 10,000 teen girls but by the frank honesty demonstrated by the girls when she interviewed eight of them on her show last Friday.

The girls, aged 14 to 17, told their personal stories on national television openly and without any signs of regret or embarrassment. Seven of the eight....

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 19, 2008 3:45 PM

MISTAKE: In this case, the blue dude (Obamacrat) should be holding the gun at the red dude (Joe the Plumber).

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 19, 2008 7:09 PM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 19, 2008 7:10 PM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 19, 2008 8:51 PM

Cardinal says Obama future is apocalyptic

His Eminence James Francis Cardinal Stafford criticized President-elect Barack Obama as “aggressive, disruptive and apocalyptic,“ and said he campaigned on an “extremist anti-life platform,” Thursday night in Keane Auditorium during his lecture “Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II: Being True in Body and Soul.“

“Because man is a sacred element of secular life,” Stafford remarked, “man should not be held to a supreme power of state, and a person’s life cannot ultimately be controlled by government.”

“For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden,” Stafford said, comparing America’s future with Obama as president to Jesus’ agony in the garden. “On November 4, 2008, America suffered a cultural earthquake.”

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 19, 2008 10:20 PM

Dow has fallen a massive 1628 points since Obama's Election victory

Before Obama: Dow is at 9625.28 points.
14 days After Obama: Dow is at 7997.28 points.

Stock market loss: 1628 points

That is a 16.91% drop since Obama won the coming Presidency. Or an average loss of 148 points for every day of trading over 11 market days.

A review:

1 day of Obama as President-elect = 486.01 point drop

2 days of Obama as President-elect = 929.49 point drop

7 days of Obama as President-elect = 1342.62 point drop

14 days of Obama as President-elect = 1628 point drop

GRAPH OF BARACK ECONOMY

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 19, 2008 11:00 PM

TOBY KEITH ON TEEN SEX AND GOD
I’m not sure what to make of Toby Keith’s “God Loves Her” song and video.

AOL’s intro to the song/video reads, “Made Her Momma Cry, Tune About Teenage Love Might Make Parents Cringe:” http://music.aol.com/video/god-love-her/toby-keith/2317104?icid=200100397×1213196124x1200817317.

The video begins in an all but empty church, a large cross prominent on the altar, with a sweet teen girl reading her Bible, and blowing a bubble.

A scruffy biker arrives on the scene. Sweet teen drops her Bible and runs off with scruffy biker, apparently does the nasty with him in the woods. Sweet teen returns home but soon rides off with said scruffy biker as her mom cries and her preacher pap prays, still in an almost empty church.

I always associate country music with lyrics such as, “Mah mean love ate mah baloney sammich then ate mah heart and spit it in the dust at tha dirty gas station in town,” so this is is step up, I guess.

It appears...

(Read the rest of this article @ http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 20, 2008 12:36 AM

On Moonbattery's new format

VH, the reduced number of posts per page makes loading much faster and less prone to crashing IE. But now, if I miss just one day of Moonbattery, I have to dig into the entire month's archive to check what I haven't read yet. This takes major loading.

Any way to add ten-pages-at-a-time backdated posts or some such? (See my Wordpress for example.)

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 20, 2008 12:48 AM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 20, 2008 1:39 AM

Anyone catch Thomas Friedman of the mothership (NYT) on Larry King...they are now moving to calling the myth of global warming "global wierding." This is because in the face of pesky facts and annoying hard data global warming can't stand up.

So what do the libs do? Back off their fairy tale theory? Of course not...change the lie and keep the funds pumping into thier academia based phony science projects so they can avoid getting real jobs. It is not global warming, as Friedman argues, but "global wierding" because there will be changes in weather patterns in both colder and warmer.

So what we have is the libs decididing that with thier hypohesis being proven wrong time and again, they will just change it to something that can't be proven wrong because it is completely untestable, a hypothesis that predicts the results of any testing will be random.

Meanwhile back on Earth and away from the mother ship, this whole new "global wierding" ploy leaves many of us thinking: Weather patterns that are not 100% predictable...it might be cold one time of the year and warm another...some years might be colder/warmer than others...my God! The horror! What kind of world would that be like ot live in!

Posted by: Joey at November 20, 2008 4:51 AM

Posted by: V the K at November 20, 2008 5:41 AM

Burning Hot,

I upped it back to 10 posts on a page. If everyone used Firefox, I could put 3 times that many, but it doesn't take much to overwhelm IE.

Posted by: Van Helsing at November 20, 2008 7:06 AM

So Burning Hot, what is your explanation for the nearly 5000 point drop in the DJI in the 12 months prior to election day?

Posted by: John at November 20, 2008 11:57 AM