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What a bunch of CRAP.

You know what they say "When its YELLOW, let it MELLOW, when its BROWN, flush it DOWN".

This only works when you are single. If not, it doesnt work. Gay men might be an exception.

Hehe I recently had to replace the bowl of one of my toilets. I got a new one but kept the old "real flush" tank. Had to shim it to keep it from wobbling, but it still fits.

"World Toilet Summit"...

ROFLMBO

I wonder if it ever remotely occurs to these screwballs that water is in continual, natural recycle on the earth; we are drinking/using the same water that was consumed by dinosaurs.

These must be the same guys who required years of study and experimentation to discover that men and women are..(drum roll)...DIFFERENT.

We're in deep $h!t

Maybe we could use the "lake" in the park like the third world dude I saw last sunday when we had a little family reunion. No kidding,paper towel and all.

Well that's just fine with me if they want to tax my toilet. They won't be any toilet tax for me because I'll go to my congressman's front door and take a shit there then after I'm done reading his paper I can wipe my ass with it. He doesn't live far from me.

I can always piss in my back yard.

Who in the hell comes up with statistics on child deaths related to toilet flushing???

OH LOOK I JUST CAME UP WITH A NEW STUDY! MY RESEARCH SHOWS THAT LIBERALS ARE PRONE TO FALL INTO HOLES! 2.1 MILLION LIBERALS DIE EVERY 12 YEARS FROM FALLING IN A HOLE.

And whats this nonsense about toilet flushing not being sustainable? I'm not a toilet historian, most liberals are however, but I do know that people have been flushing toilets for 100 years without any cataclysmic disastor.

Considering the typical moonbat's aversion to personal hygiene, it's easy to see why they'd like to forego unnecessary "luxuries" like indoor plumbing.

expect to see a flood of little white plastic bags getting thrown onto other people's lawns. If you think the idiots letting their dogs crap all over the neighborhood are bad, wait until they figure they can 'export' their waste to the neighbors as well.

How about flushing all these liberal idiots down the john their acting so stupid i mean mr sims should get himself flushed HELP THE TIDIEBOWL MAN FLUSH A ENVIROMENTALISTS

Using less water doesn't mean we'll be shitting in holes in our backyard. Many people already keep bricks in their toilet tanks to reduce the amount of water they consume, with no discernable difference.

What don't you people understand about the fact that natural resources are limited? That isn't some environmentalist conspiracy. It's simple fact. Americans use over 20% of the world's natural resources. As countries like India and China are modernizing and seeing huge numbers of their population enter the middle class, demand for natural resources will only increase.

We cannot keep consuming at the rate we are. It's simple math. Populations are rising, not falling. If we keep consumption going at its present rate, we will run out. We are not consuming our natural resources at a sustainable rate.

The main reason that colonization and exploration ocurred is because Europe simply ran out of supplies, whether those supplies were timber or food or minerals. They ran out, so they colonized places where they could acquire more resources. Now those colonized lands have filled with people, and no longer serve as humanity's grocery stores. And there is no where left for us to go to find their replacements.

So you can choose, consume less now, or have your grandchildren fight world wars against China for the last of our natural resources. The choice is yours.

Toa:

"I wonder if it ever remotely occurs to these screwballs that water is in continual, natural recycle on the earth; we are drinking/using the same water that was consumed by dinosaurs."

Um, no one said that water isn't continual. The problem isn't that there is less of it, it's that we are using more of it. As society's move up, the use more water. The amount of water being used by quickly developing countries like India and China is growing at astronomical rates. The average middle class Chinese person uses 10 times more water than a rural, poor Chinese person. But 1 million people in China are being lifted out of povery EVERY MONTH.

Dinosaurs didn't use water for gold courses and water mills and fountains and showers and pools and toilets. The used it to drink, that's it. I'm sorry but how stupid are you for suggesting that animals use the same amount of water that people do?

The pie is the same size. But up until modern times only an extremely small, extremely wealthy segment of the population was eating any significant piece of the pie, the rest of us were surviving on crumbs. Now we have a significant portion of the world's exploding population all wanting a slice.

"The pie is the same size. But up until modern times only an extremely small, extremely wealthy segment of the population was eating any significant piece of the pie, the rest of us were surviving on crumbs. Now we have a significant portion of the world's exploding population all wanting a slice. "

Jesus christ get off your Zero-Sum models, the pie is not static, it grows with technology and innovation, more middle class, the more solutions developed, we are only limited by sniveling coward curs who wont let those of us who do want to work towards progress get there.

If sewage is a problem build a damn treatment plant, you dont like C02, plant a fucking tree, you are worried about expanding population, help develop new zones of energy and constrution materials.

BUT for fucks sake going back to the stone age is not progress or justifiable, if you think we are a problem then off yourself, if your not willing to take that action and are not willing to work for a plausible solution then stay out of my way.

"europe simply ran out of supplies" UK had 7 million peeps in the 1600s and 60 million now, mismanagement by inept governments created europes problems dipshit, some how they were out of resources in the 1600s yet had enough to fight the napoleonic wars 200 years later then 2 world wars and grow to support a population of 500 million, its amazing what progress can do

And Toa, for future reference, it's just phenominally stupid to enter a debate when you don't even take two seconds of your time to find out what the other side's position is that you're supposed to be debating. Thus you argue that people say that there is no such thing as a water cycle...when no one ever said that.

We see this a LOT over at Huffington Post. For instance we'll get trolls who will come in and post about gun rights and the second ammendment and how everyone has a right to own guns, etc etc. It's then hilarious because all the responsive comments are "Um, you're preaching to the choir. Of course everyone's allowed to own guns."

The problem with many conservatives is they just go to right wing websites, or listen to Rush, and then those people tell you what liberals think and you just believe them without even bothering yourself to see what the other side is ACTUALLY arguing.

We see this a LOT over at Huffington Post.
Posted by: Anonymous at November 26, 2008 1:13 PM

LOL!!! Go back to Huffpo, clueless dipwad.

"I'm sorry but how stupid are you for suggesting that animals use the same amount of water that people do?"

This is priceless.

Please go back to Toa's post and show us where, exactly, he says we use the same amount of water the dinosaurs used.

Go on, I'll wait while you look...

It's not there is it? That's because Toa was referencing the water cycle by pointing out we're using the same water the dinosaurs used. A quantity was never mentioned until you brought it up. You then top yourself by having the nerve to tell someone else they should, "take two seconds of your time to find out what the other side's position is that you're supposed to be debating." It's truly hilarious that you would waste so much typing by advising someone else to do the very thing at which you failed so miserably.

The rest of your points were more or less correct. Water usage does essentially reduce to a zero-sum cycle and there is far more pressure being put on it every year. The offered solution of...more taxes...is in no way going to correct or alleviate any of the problems you mentioned.

In the future, please don't assume that because someone disagrees with a solution, they deny the underlying problem. When you make assumptions like you did, misunderstand your opponent's position and statements, and make abrasive and sophomoric arguments you come out looking like a clueless ass when in reality you may actually have something to contribute to the discussion.

The main reason that colonization and exploration ocurred is because Europe simply ran out of supplies, whether those supplies were timber or food or minerals.

WHAT?!? What revisionist history book are you getting that out of, my patronizing friend?

You know what they say "When its YELLOW, let it MELLOW, when its BROWN, flush it DOWN".

"If it smells, send it to he//."
That's what I say.

Americans use over 20% of the world's natural resources.

The United States HAS over 20% of the world's resources. What's more, we EXPORT some of it.

Do you have a problem with that?

The problem with many conservatives is they just go to right wing websites, or listen to Rush, and then those people tell you what liberals think and you just believe them without even bothering yourself to see what the other side is ACTUALLY arguing.

1. We don't have to go to left-wing websites to know how lefties "think." We have an entire mainstream media for that.

2. Why are you lefty trolls too cowardly to even leave a name? Are you so afraid that Dick Cheney's black helicopters are going to come for you? Or, do you do it to be deliberately inconsiderate to people who want to answer your posts?

Of course everyone's allowed to own guns

If that's true, why do left-wing run cities like Washington DC and Chicago make it illegal to own guns, or make the restrictions so onerous it's almost impossible to obtain one? Why are left wing groups like Handgun Control Inc constantly pushing for regulations that make it harder and harder to keep and obtain weapons? Why does the ACLU not defend the Second Amendment Rights of gun owners.

Because you're full of crap... that's why.

And I'm sorry if that's all harsh, but it's pretty easy to be harsh to people who don't even post a name. It's like being harsh to nobody. And yeah, I've heard the whines before "Oh, I don't want to get hate mail." Cowboy up. I get hatemail and troll comments on my blog and it hasn't killed me.

The main reason that colonization and exploration ocurred is because Europe simply ran out of supplies, whether those supplies were timber or food or minerals. They ran out, so they colonized places where they could acquire more resources. Now those colonized lands have filled with people, and no longer serve as humanity's grocery stores. And there is no where left for us to go to find their replacements.
~Posted by: Anonymous at November 26, 2008 12:28 PM

Marxist-Leninism, meet Environmentalism. Environmentalism, meet Marxist Leninism. LOL! Capitalism survives by imperialistic colonization and all that. Anon, do you know the source and history of your world view?

Marxist-Leninism, meet Environmentalism. Environmentalism, meet Marxist Leninism.

Oh, but I see you already know each other.

I hear the flush toilet was invanted by someone named THOMAS CRAPPER knowing these moonbats are themselves full of crap

Posted by: Anonymous at November 26, 2008 12:28 PM

Using less water doesn't mean we'll be shitting in holes in our backyard.

It f*cking well does. I'm Australian and if the Aussie government decides to tax me for using the water in my own toilet that I pay the water company for I will indeed shit outside the house. Except I will do it in the street instead of dirtying up my own back yard.

Many people already keep bricks in their toilet tanks to reduce the amount of water they consume, with no discernable difference.

Um yes to save money on their water bill. And that is their perogative, good for them for being savvy enough to figure out they can save a few bucks. On the flipside toilets are designed to be as sanitary as possible and using less water means the toilet is functioning less than optimally. Some people would rather take the tradeoff between hygiene and cost - good for them. Are you capable of comprehending the difference between doing something because you think it is a good idea, and doing something because if you don't you will be taxed? Somehow liberals seem unable to make that distinction.

What don't you people understand about the fact that natural resources are limited?

Why don't you people understand basic concepts like the water cycle? The water you used in your coffee this morning at one point in its lifetime was probably in my crapper. Do you know how full Australia's dams are? Like do you have an inkling of a clue to begin with - or do you just listen to dire predictions like these ones, with plenty of references to innocent children dying and the earth burning up because of our rampant consumerism and accept them because they fit into your own lack of self-worth and guilt over consuming what nature provides for us?

And why don't you people understand that if you are so worried about natural resources running out then it's your responsibility to take action to stop that. Why is your first, last and only recourse in such situations to run to the nanny state government and ban, tax or regulate everyone else into pandering to your paranoid hyperbole?

That isn't some environmentalist conspiracy. It's simple fact.

Bull shit. I have yet to hear a single "simple fact" presented by an environmentalist, social justice activist or whatever other title exists in lefty nomenclature for general busybody and scaremongerer that was anything but a blatant fabrication.

Note to anyone with a brain reading this: when a lefty tells you something is a "simple fact" it is NEVER anything remotely resembling a simple fact. This is a tried and tested liberal tactic which is used to disarm opposition to an argument by implying that failure to accept the concept under debate as a proven one constitutes laughable ignorance.

Americans use over 20% of the world's natural resources.

Prove it. Since you provide nothing whatsoever to show where you got this number you are de facto lying.

As countries like India and China are modernizing and seeing huge numbers of their population enter the middle class, demand for natural resources will only increase.

Um, yeah, and?

We cannot keep consuming at the rate we are. It's simple math.

Show us your working. You don't get to dictate "the facts" or claim that something is "simple math" without providing so much as a single number to prove your point. You fail.

Populations are rising, not falling.

Er and?

If we keep consumption going at its present rate, we will run out.

Of water? Really? You are, presumably, aware of the general geography of the earth?

We are not consuming our natural resources at a sustainable rate.

Bull shit. Repeating a statement in different words doesn't make it gain accuracy.

The main reason that colonization and exploration ocurred is because Europe simply ran out of supplies, whether those supplies were timber or food or minerals.

That's interesting. I guess they must have collected enough minerals and food to last them forever then since the last colonialist enterprize ended over five decades ago and Europe appears to still exist.

They ran out, so they colonized places where they could acquire more resources. Now those colonized lands have filled with people, and no longer serve as humanity's grocery stores. And there is no where left for us to go to find their replacements.

Mm hmm. Must have been a big shopping cart those European colonialists carried with them in order to last them for fifty decades of overall growth in population and GDP, huh.

So you can choose, consume less now, or have your grandchildren fight world wars against China for the last of our natural resources. The choice is yours.

Aaaaand wrap it all up with a reference to TEH CHILDREN!! and a vaguely threatening allusion to a politically-correct yet still menacing foe. Well done, you have learned the lefty debate pattern by heart and are able to rattle it off perfectly. Unfortunately for you your vapid generalizations and emotive triggers don't work on conservatives because we deal in facts, figures, rationality and common sense. Go crawl back down your hole - and in the meantime put your money where your mouth is and stop flushing your toilet because otherwise the Chinese will kill your grandchildren.

@ Anonymous retard: There are plenty of workable solutions to finding more potable water as demand increases. So far the amount of water in the water cycle is holding up just fine despite massive population growth. Is it just a coincidence that you people's solution to every problem, real or imagined, is the same?

-We could run out of water: Tax people and impose government control over the issue
-We need healthcare: tax people, impose government control over the issue
-There is inequity between rich people and poor people (duh): tax people, put government in control of economy
-There are some differences between the general way in which people of different ethnic backgrounds live their lives: tax people, impose government control over problem.

Does it not get a little repetitious after a while when that is the entirety of your political thought when addressing the problems you claim to care about?

Do you honestly think that a bunch of bureacrats, lawyers and career politicians who are in power only for their ability to gain power in the first place, understand better than any random individual on the street that water is a precious resource and that it is not infinite?

Or are you just fulfilling the destiny you've been brainwashed into pursuing without even knowing it?

"ResLife Director Kathleen Kerr called it a "myth" that sustainability is about environmentalism. Rather, Kerr and other ResLife officials saw "sustainability" as a blend of highly specific social, political, and economic principles and practices that were required for the future of the planet and the social and economic equality of the world's citizens."

&c.

Mm hmm. Must have been a big shopping cart those European colonialists carried with them in order to last them for five decades of overall growth in population and GDP, huh.

Great line by line refute Mandible. Silly liberal
doesn't understand that 3/4ths of the earth is
covered in water that can be converted to drinking water.

Annoy a liberal today: Use Facts

Old toilet use to flush 3.5 gallons of water. Today you can't buy a toilet with a 3.5 gallon tank. Todays more modern toilets use 1.6 gallons of water and they also have ones that are pressure flushed.

Hey Mandible......thumbs up!