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Engines not properly warmed in the winter will cause more pollution than letting them warm to proper operating temp. Again the environmentalists cause more problems than they cure...

Is a member of Obama national police force going to go around with stopwatches and enforce this? Cant imagine a bill like that being passed.

Anon, I bet our friends across the pond couldn't imagine such a bill being passed either, but sure enough, it was.

The eco-nazis strike again and look out for the greenshirts under the green swatika AND THIS IS WHERE GREEN BECOMES A UGLY COLOR

Do they know how much gas is used to idle your car...not much. This seems to be one of those "feel-good" laws, like when cities issue edicts condemning genocide in Darfur. A hallow statement at best.

Sweet - They get ticket revenue if you drive through a red light, and, now, ticket revenue if you don't!

I suppose the Obama administration could federally subsidize the "engine idle police" as part of his initiative to create "green jobs." I'm also betting that all of the stoplights will be reset to guarantee that everybody sits more than 3 minutes at a light, so as to help the police raise revenue. My suggestion: take every single ticket issued under this law to court. You probably won't win (unless it's dismissed because the officer fails to appear), but you'll make the judge's docket suffer the consequences of moonbatty laws.

Would that apply to Obama's limo?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/dnc-denver-limo.html

Do they know that it actually requires more fuel to start a vehicle than it does to actually run it for a longer period of time letting it idle?

Given enough time the envirohoax and the pea brain followers will have us living in shoe boxes.

In Austin many traffic signals are on a 3-minute cycle.

LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER.

I believe that the Prius doesn't idle, that it just essentially shuts down.

Did they just (essentially) force everyone to buy a hybrid?

Oh for God's sakes just secede already! It'll be an even split. The south will get the bulk of the military, the north will get the bulk of the wealth and tax dollars. We'll each have to make due with such limitations.

Us northerners will continue to read books and drive Priuses and drink espresso and hug trees and you can continue to demonize any sort of learning that is not gleamed from the Bible directly. We'll let gays be married and you can lynch them. We can ban automated weapons (though those fellows in ME, VT, NH, etc will wisely tell Massachustts to STFU and make sure we never relinquish gun rights completely) and you can institute the death penalty for shoplifting. You guys will illegalize abortion and we'll legalize weed. Everyone's happy!

Seriously, the idiological shift is too wide. It will never be breached. Every 4 years we re fight the civil war, and many of us fear it's just a matter of time before one of your numbers goes John Wilkes Booth on Obama's ass.

So PLEASE SECEDE. The North will never have the balls to do it, that I know for sure. But one would think you guys WOULD with all your tough talk about the end of America. Slavery's off the table, at this point who the hell would object, and why? We'll let you have your own confederacy, so long as you provide a grace period where conseratives can go south and blacks/gays/Jews/minorities of any kind can flee up north.

"Skwaaak! LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER! Bwaaaak! Michael Savage, Michael Savage! Skwaaaaak! Savage Nation, Savage Nation!"

You guys are so incredibly entertaining! Seriously, Drudge Report used to be one of my favorite sites, but this one has definitely taken its place prior to the election. Better than the Onion!

Posted by: NoOneThinksObamaIsTheMessiah at November 11, 2008 3:59 PM
Posted by: ScarletMccaw at November 11, 2008 4:07 PM

Sheesh guys, calm down, chill, get a grip. For crying out loud you don't HAVE to let your cars warm up on cold days. Just try not to crash into people when your windshields fog up.

If you happen to have the misfortune of having to deliver a truckload of food to any place in New York state and have to live in your truck as most OTR drivers do, it has long been illegal to keep your truck warm enought (or cool enough) to live in.

And add to that the fact that diesel fuel turns to votive candles if it isn't kept warm.

So instead of getting a good night's sleep the driver has to wake up every few minutes to start the engine to warm the fuel.

Now, with the three-minute limit (used to be 15), the engine won't even be running long enough to get warm or to recharge the batteries after the start.

Good thinking, idiots.

Ummm, excuse me...all you environmentally progessive liberals...if the Global Climate Crisis has heated things up so much, why are you worried about warming a car on a cold day? It should be pretty balmy by now, what with the polar ice cap melted and all this greenhouse gas and the tropics moving all the way up to New England...RIGHT? So who will need to "warm" up a car? RIGHT? Freakin' idiots!

Oh, and "noonethinksobamaisthemessiah", you can't live in California, because I can assure you people out here KNOW he's the Messiah. A "light being" from a higher dimension...and I'm not being sarcastic. They honestly, truly believe this. (I'd wager that sycophant "teacher" in the "Kids Sing for Obama" video is among the true believers. Look at that "oh-so-enraptured" expression and the just-this-side-of-psychotic gesticulations the goes through.) So how about we FORCE California to secede and then everyone else can be more or less normal folks.

The south will get the bulk of the military, the north will get the bulk of the wealth and tax dollars.

Sorry, yankee-boy, but Michigan --once the industrial center of the WORLD-- is now a third-world hell-hole and most of your industries have gone south. The south once provided 60-70% of the nation's tax dollars before your people destroyed our industries and instituted a program of tax-and-confiscate in 1966. But you'll be happy to know that we have recovered and now provides plenty of healthy competition.

You're welcome.

(My thanks to Mandible Claw)

That should be "1866" above. Maybe I should trim my nails.

NoOneThinks...

You mean the South gets all the productive people and you get all the parasites? Cool! Sounds like a plan.... sign me up!

A perfect example of really know brains!!
"Do they know that it actually requires more fuel to start a vehicle than it does to actually run it for a longer period of time letting it idle?"
It takes fuel to run an engine. The same to start it as it does to run it for the 10 seconds to start!!! It does not burn 5 minutes of fuel in 10 seconds of starting and running!!!
I would just guess that it is just to much for your brain to wrap around!!!
I know going back to the laws of physics and science. Just not fair am I???

"Climate change is the defining issue of the 21st century."

And here I thought it was that pesky terrorism issue. Why be concerned about some maniac blowing you up when it's getting 1.8 degrees warmer every 100 years? *snark*

Screw these invasive laws!

I sat in my car with the heat on in the cold today waiting for a friend and idled for 40 minutes straight. I am not about to freeze just to please Al Gore who is sitting in his mansion burning more power than ever.

I can afford the gas and I doubt I burned even half a gallon. A law like this enforced where I live would only make me keep driving around the block for that same 40 minutes which would result in 2 plus gallons extra burnt.
Good thinking there, environazi's! LOL

[Every 4 years we re fight the civil war, and many of us fear it's just a matter of time before one of your numbers goes John Wilkes Booth on Obama's ass.]

By the way, dingbat, Booth was a Yankee who later sympathized with the Confederacy.

Google is your friend.

The last thing I want is for anything bad to to happen to your moonbat president. That would just make things even harder on decent, patriotic men, women and children here in America.

Amen, Mike.

Liberals eat their own, and Hussein will be eaten.

It is written.

Somewhere.

:-)

Every time you fart you contribute to global warming...

Hiram Quote-

"A perfect example of really know brains!!"

After that genius statement, read what else you have to spew.

All vehicles that run on fuel are choked (or run rich) at start. It does not matter if they're electonically Fuel Injected or Carbeurated. More fuel is burned when the engine is started than if it were just allowed to fun for a given period of time at idle. You obviously have no experience in the automotive industry and if you think shutting off your car after 3 minutes of sitting at a light- only to have to start it again in another minute or two will save you gas and cut emissions, you just don't know what you don't know.
Very silly

There are alot of cars on the road that won't even pass emissions when metered at first crank.

And like a poster above, liberal-schizm IS a mental disorder.

Shana I have no problem with people buying whatever products they choose to buy, for whatever reason. But that's not what this article is about. This article is about government mandates over idling cars.

I understand you "believe" in AGW. I actually applaud you for admitting it's a belief. I do not believe in this myth. When I hear about the Arctic sea ice about to completely disappear because of all our naughty behaviors, then come to find out the the "scientists" espousing this belief have based it on a computer model, I find their evidence dubious at best. Then, when I read about actual empirical evidence showing contrary evidence here, I form my belief that AGW just isn't supported by reality. Maybe you have better evidence that isn't contradicted by empirical data, but you haven't shown us any so we have no way of knowing.

Citing the beliefs of other people is not a reason to hold the same beliefs. Otherwise you run the risk of group-think. Remember, "everyone" used to believe the earth was flat, that leeching could cure disease, and that the sun traveled around the earth. Now I'm supposed to believe that a particle that comprises a fraction of a percentage point of the entire earth's atmosphere controls climate as opposed to that giant ball of fire in the sky called 'the sun?'

That's OK, I'll stick with empirical data and common sense.

Typically, all the trolls throw up straw man rather than debate the actual example of stupidity and micro-management brought on by their elected leaders.

Hey to anyone who reads this before it gets deleted:

I want to point out that I posted a very friendly, bi partisan messege here that was responded to by cowlove in an equally friendly manner.

However, my comment has been deleted.

It is my belief that the owners of this site want you all to think that anyone who promotes global warming is a raving reactionary, and so they have deleted my comment as it shows that we actually are nice and rational people.

Shame on moonbattery!!

Shana I think there was a hiccup with the site as a whole. The latest comments from quite a few posts were deleted, including my own.

Cowlove,

You stated in your post that "you haven't shown us any so we have no way of knowing"

My question to you is, have you ever actually read any scientific journals which give extensive scientific reports on climate change and the evidence for it?

Whenever I talk to climate change deniars, one thing I notice is that they get almost all their information from politicians or political magazines or websites. I.E. Al Gore says or does something stupid, or they go to a conservative website that SAYS what global warming scientists say about global warming. You tell me "don't just believe what other people say" but I highly doubt YOU are basing YOUR beliefs on anything other than websites or talk show hosts. I don't give a damn waht Al Gore says. he's a politician. Not a scientist. I read the actual scientific journals which present empirical evidence and base my opinion on that.

Hwoever I have yet to meet a single denier who has actually read a complete article in a peer reviewed scientific journal. It's kind of like if a liberal were to base ALL his opinions on, say, the BIble by what he has read about it on opinion websites without ever actually reading the text.

It's also like how I have never met a single person who doesn't believe in evolution who has actually read "The Origin of Species." Actually, I have never met an evolution denier who could properly define evolution.

How can you know that you OPPOSE something if you don't even know what their argument is?

Unless you have read ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS on global warming instead of just listening to what a video online TELLS you they are claiming, you will never even have a clear picture of what you are so veheminantly opposed to.

Instead of succession, maybe we can pull a baseball style trade - trade with Canada, one liberal for one conservative.


Since Soviet Canuckistan is already the model these libs want, why not let them move there?


Oh, right, Canadian Immigration Laws require productive people...

Cowlove-
Thank you for the tip! And moonbattery I do very much apologize if this was the case and my message was simply deleted in error!!!

Shana, I provided a clear example of what I base my opinion on. It was only one link, but it was to empirical data on a site run by an organization called State of the Canadian Cryosphere. It's anything but a right-wing organization, seeing as they study climate change in one of the most sensitive areas of the environment. I understand your impression of AGW deniers, but it goes both ways. I can't count for you how many loony tunes were screaming bloody murder when it was published online (not in a peer-reviewed journal) that the sea ice was going to completely disappear. I had to do my own digging to see how they arrived at their conclusion, and I was not impressed. Then I had to do my own digging to look at actual empirical data, seeing as the original publisher of the volatile article certainly wasn't going to do it.

Let's face it Shana, AGW sells. There are scientists out there earning gigantic sums of money to continue their studies, and that funding will dry up if it doesn't produce the desired results. Headlines about rising ocean levels, drought, hurricanes, death, disease, starvation, famine, etc. etc. ad nauseum sell. But what of the fact that this year's hurricane season was the least active in decades? What of the fact that global temperatures, according to NOAA, are steadily dropping below records from 1998? What of the sea ice reaching extents beyond records from the past decade? What of the fact that solar activity is at an alarming minimum? All we get from scientists and media alike is a giant, collective yawn.

We agree on one point. We need to examine the data and determine for ourselves. We need to learn when we're being told something and when we're being sold something. This article is pointing to an example of the latter.

One further point Shana:

I don't allow people to substitute "climate change" for "Anthropogenic Global Warming." I feel it's a subtle shift being used to marginalize those who oppose AGW. Of course climate changes. It's never been static. It's tautology to espouse the belief that "climate changes." What I argue against is the idea that humans are causing unnatural global warming and the only way to stop it is through government mandates.

Climate change does exist. It's called winter, spring, summer, and fall.