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October 30, 2008

The Left-Right Spectrum and the Big Lie Tactic

One of the most striking examples of the Big Lie tactic is the Left's ability to pass off fascism and Nazism as phenomena of the Right.

Mussolini, the father of fascism, came from a socialist background, and was inspired by Democrat Woodrow Wilson, who has been called the world's first modern dictator. The term "fascist" comes from the Italian word for bundle, fascio — the idea being that alone we're just weak little twigs, but bundled together by an all-powerful state, we become strong through collectivism.

The German version of fascism was even more overtly socialist. Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist, i.e., National Socialist. To quote the extremely progressive Adolf Hitler:

We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

The only significant right-wing aspect of fascists and Nazis was their appeal to patriotic sentiment. Communists differed only in being less nationalistic, and even more extreme in their opposition to the fundamental human right to own property. Even communists, however, have exploited patriotism. World War II was known in the Soviet Union as the Great Patriotic War.

No one would lump conservatives in with communists. So it is remarkable that liberals — who resemble fascists in their reverence for the State, and Nazis in their obsession with race and enthusiasm for abortion — have been able to set up a false spectrum with communists on the left end and Nazis/fascists on the right end, just past conservatives. In actuality, communists are just past Nazis and fascists on the left end; America's Founding Fathers are on the right end.

On a tip from Artfldgr, here's some art that drives home the point:

hitler_stalin.jpg

soviet_nazi_posters.jpg

Despite the similarity between communism and fascism/Nazism, progressives want to disassociate themselves from the latter and hang it around conservatives' necks because WWII conditioned us to perceive fascists as enemies at a visceral level — although communism is, if possible, even more hostile to American principles. The Holocaust has nothing to do with it; progressives shrug off the even vaster genocidal horrors inflicted by Hitler's ideological cousins Stalin and Mao.

Liberals' beloved moral equivalence comes into play. Pointing out that Democrat policy, taken to its natural conclusion, leads inevitably toward communism — as Obama has been making so obvious — can be countered with the false argument that conservative principles would similarly lead to an American version of the Third Reich. Once again we are told that what they're doing is okay because other people are potentially just as bad.

But Americans have already taken conservative principles to the extreme by founding the country in the first place. America as originally established is what conservatives are trying to conserve.

The Left believes in collectivism and subservience to the state. The Right believes in the sanctity and liberty of the individual. That progressives have used their dominance of the media and education to spin fascism as a right-wing phenomenon is a reminder that we need to question everything they've told us.

Posted by Van Helsing at October 30, 2008 10:13 AM

Comments

Posted by: DANEgerus at October 30, 2008 10:35 AM


I couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at October 30, 2008 11:05 AM

thanks for the cred...

i would suggest if one can, to see the new latvian documentary "soviet story", tonight is the last night in ny... but its going around...

its not revisionist, and is attempting to expose even more information that became available AFTER the fall and srchives information became available.


as i have said... these moonbats cant see it.. mainly becasue they are smart enought o imagine a reason not, and overconfident enough that they dont have to work out the line of thought to know... so hubris is maximal, and the totalitarian urge is uncontrollable...

like painting entrance over the exit signs, in a disaster they run faster into the fire than out...

so as the situation gets closer to the CHANGE, they will work harder to make the change, while beleiving they are preventing facism.

all the termites who can only work on a small part, believe in the false whole... they cant see what they are making themselves, sicne when they loko they see a think they find horrifying... sl they put their head down, and buld some more... and the horryfying thing is now bigger thanks to their effort...

but when they look up... they see it got bigger... oh, no... they have to wor harder, become more violent, more desperate... so they work harder... and again and again...

till the thing they dread arrives... THEN they find out that they were the traitors that built it... and since they can do that, and they can be traitors, they are removed from the discussion

Posted by: Artfldgr at October 30, 2008 11:05 AM

The fasics the nazis the communists all have one thing in common they wanted big goverment gun control and our lives constoled becuase their all liberals ever darn one of them the fact that JESSIE JACKASSON has compaired conservatives to fasics becuase jackasson is a idiot

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at October 30, 2008 11:16 AM

The labels left/right, liberal/conservative are virtually meaningless today. Was a Soviet apparatchik trying to save the USSR a leftist or a conservative - or both?

A sounder operational definition is collectivist/individualist, i.e., whether one gives pride of place to the state or the individual.

That criterion clearly places all of the totalitarian governments together, despite their minor doctrinal disputes (which don't concern those they place in concentration camps or gulags), and in contradistinction to the democracies.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 30, 2008 1:08 PM

I work from a theory with two dimensions, replacing left/right with collectivist/individualist, and with a vertical axis of statist to libertarian. It's similar to one I saw online one time, but that was a few computers ago so I'd have to hunt it down again.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at October 30, 2008 1:25 PM

I found this glorious essay/book by G.K. Chesterton on the web the other day. It's called "Eugenics and Other Evils" and was mostly written in 1913, but he dusted it off and published it in 1922 when he realised, to his horror, that the "Prussian style" collectivism had not died on the battlefields of World War I. It's a brillaint piece, full of razor sharp thinking and demolition of the horrors of socialism (to come! Remember, this was written long before Hitler put the full progressive ideology into operation) and I wish everybody on the planet would read it. Written as it was at the time, it leaves no doubt that the monstrosities blamed on "the right" were absolutely the fetish of the left.

(And still are, of course. They may not be so open about overt eugenics these days, but the fascist health regime dreamed of by those Chesterton is attacking is now with us in all its glory).

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at October 30, 2008 4:51 PM

Ian, it's very good to see you back on here. I missed your sane comments in the midst of the current troll invasion.

Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 30, 2008 5:35 PM

Hey, thanks for the kind words Thulsa :)

I must admit I've been doing my commenting less on the web lately, it's all been just too depressing frankly. We're all in for a rough time wherever in the world we are, and what's most nauseating is that the people to blame just aren't getting the blame. Indeed, they're prospering by it. And besides everything else, if the Obamessiah wins, it'll be a tragedy for the rest of us, not just the USA, too.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at October 30, 2008 5:40 PM

Just got back from seeing soviet story...

i think its good... though it was made a bit more interesting in that the theater showing it was in the middle of leftist central here in ny. the east village...

for me, very little was not known by me. however, for most, i dont think its going to be a comfortable movie to see. i know my leftist friend is not going to see it judging it to be false before seeing it just so he doesnt see something that will change his mind.

for those who havent seen real stuff, some of the scenes will be shocking. i found certain parts hard to watch since i have family members that were in different parts of the history.

the differences in socialisms wasnt that one would kill, and the other wouldnt.. BOTH killed, and the russian killing started 20 years BEFORE the germsns started their own version. the communists didnt like the nazis who were killing for racial reasons... to them it was an abomination... killing had ot happen along class reasons... and it did...

they play some video from some left sites from russia where they would end up showing murders. i guess you would call it political snuff films. but the cutting off of heads, stabbing, and its stuff happening in thie era, not the past era...

finding out that after the war... the german camps still existed... and in treaty, the west turned them over to stalin... who continued to use them... experiments on people up to 1998...

if your on the left and you think that this stuff is scary stories, you will be surprised watching it... for no socialism turns out good, and modern 20th century and later ones are diabolically pragmatic with no concience...

hitler had above his camps arbeit mach free...
work will make you free
the russians had over their camps,
work is a matter of honor, courage, and heroism.

the most efficient killing operation was winter 32-33... 7 million people...

as i left the theater i pointed out that that was almost the population of ny city... more than the population on manhatten island... so everyonw we were looking at would be gone in one winter.

starved to death... their food sold to the west for money...

it was also interesting to see footage of a very famous author talking about everyone having to justify their existence...

can you justify your existence? do you produce more than you use? etc. (a left friend who thinks he will sit at home and enjoy this will get an interesting awakening, cause lazy man is not new age man).

about how marx talked about the holocaust to come...

all interesting stuff...

Posted by: Artfldgr at October 30, 2008 7:02 PM

I think the word 'facism' actually comes from the Latin word fasces, which symbolised the power of the Roman Republic (which Mussolini was keen to capitalize on, drawing on Italian Pride)...

for what it's worth here's the wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

Posted by: pate at October 30, 2008 8:16 PM

Ian: I highly recommend Jonah Goldberg's book "Liberal Fascism," published this year. As he (and Chesterton) note, one of the liberal fascist's main talking points is constantly to blame previous, hideous versions of fascism on the "Right," when fascism is a creature totally born of the "progressive" Left.

One of the most sickening things about these liberal fasicsts, from Obama on down, is their perpetual whining that "if only the right people had been in charge, socialism/communism would have worked" in the USSR and other places (Obambi certainly considers himself the "right," meaning "correct," person to be in charge of America's upcoming conversion to Liberal Fascism, arrogant pipsqueak that he is).

We hope not to follow Europe into worship of the State and subjugation of the individual, but it may come to that -- so many drones, so many looking for the "free ride" in this country today . . . Pray for us!

Posted by: jc14 at October 31, 2008 7:20 AM

Studies showing people statements advocating redistribution and statements with racist meanings have found that people who agree with the former are more likely to agree eith the latter than those that disagree with teh former. Therefore left wingers have a greater tendency to be racist.

Posted by: Random at October 31, 2008 9:18 AM

After reading comments by Ian, Jay, and many others, I wanted to say this.

I think, in many ways, it is possibly for the better if Obama wins. Now hear me out. The way our world has been sliding left, an inch at a time, and never regaining conservative ground, it's way too easy for people to get used to it.

I have no doubt that if McCain wins, it will simply be another four years of struggle against a left-wing congress and court system, which McCain will lose. Ultimately, he just doesn't have what it takes to stand up to hard-core leftists and the established media.

If McCain wins, all we will see is him reaching across the aisle, another inch here, another inch there, in a vain effort at appeasement.

But if Obama wins, it might be the catalyst to snap people to their senses. The way I see it, the pendulum has to swing hard in order to swing back. And for decades it's being going slowly, slowly to the left. So slowly that people get used to it. That's the real danger, that the change might come in a way that we don't feel the need to rebel. Instead, we get a new center every few years, a new center that's further left than it was. Now, suddenly, if you believe in God you're an extremist.

Plus, if McCain wins, the left will not learn anything, they'll play the same tune they have for eight years. They won't learn the truth about their Messiah, they won't learn the truth about our economic realities, or worldwide terrorism, they will simply continue to blame all the ills of the world on the American right.

Maybe the left should be allowed to expose itself. Remember, it took four years of Carter to elect Reagan.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at October 31, 2008 12:45 PM

But let me just add that I will be voting for McCain and I urge all of you to, also. I wasn't endorsing the idea of Obama for president, just saying that IF he wins, there might be a light at the end of the tunnel. That light is called Palin 2012.

Perhaps I should have posted this comment post election if still needed.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at October 31, 2008 12:53 PM

I get ya, NGWFJ. I agree, actually. I'm voting and hoping like mad that McCain gets it... but I'm also going to take it like a man if he doesn't. Then I'll wait for the rest of the country to see what we do now. The sad thing is that many won't see even after being hit hard. However, I believe enough will eventually come around to make a difference in the future.

Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 31, 2008 1:50 PM

problem is that once you try being a pickle, you have to forever give up going back to being a cucumber. there is no way back. no state has ever shrugged off socialism on its own without external help. And we, the US, are the lynchpin and the only help, which is why we are always the target along with the prop pushing that way. it is possible to love a large producing country with good products, americans did that with germans and swiss, and so forth... so without some pressure on it, that other message wouldnt exist.

anyway... give me one good reason that a dark age is not possible... (once america is no longer bound to her birth purpose)

Posted by: Artfldgr at October 31, 2008 3:13 PM

NGFWJ

The problem is really the whole western world is sliding leftwards, just as the lefties have been pushing it that way. America's slide has been slower due to the Constitution and a better organised conservative grassroots, but it's still sliding, as this blog bears witness. It's that whole Gramscian thing- the left have control of the "hegemony", the levers of power in the bureaucracy, academia, the media, science, the arts, and so on. If we're going to stop it, we need some new thinking, because the defensive "hold the line" strategy isn't working. No army would consider itself on course to victory if the best it could do is slow the enemy advance a little.

The two party system is pretty much useless anyway, but I don't think the Republicans in the wilderness will do them any good. Tony Blair (our Barack Obama) won in 1997, pushing the Tory Party into the wilderness. The result is the Tory Party is now far more leftwing than when it left office. David Cameron is a leftie progressive. Often a party in the wilderness will grow closer in ideology to the party who beat them, to try and get their voters.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at October 31, 2008 9:42 PM