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October 23, 2008
Obamunist Carves B for Barack Into McCain Supporter's Face
Ashley Todd, a 20-year-old from Texas, was in Bloomfield, Pennsylvania working on the McCain campaign. A mugger who didn't like the McCain bumper sticker on her car carved a B for Barack into her face with a knife.
This incident tells you all you need to know about the current political landscape and where the country appears to be headed.
Could the time-honored moonbat practice of faking hate crimes have crossed the aisle? Michelle Malkin smells a rat on this one. But as Ace points out, the B appearing to be backwards by no means discredits the story. For all we know at this point, Ashley could be a liberal pretending to be a conservative faking a hate crime to discredit perfectly legitimate fears of the thuggery festering just under the surface of Obamania. Then again, she could be a conservative pretending to be a liberal pretending to… never mind.
Or it all could have happened just as she said.
On a tip from The Him.
Posted by Van Helsing at October 23, 2008 8:40 PM
Not so sure about this one yet.
I thought it a tad fishy, although I might very well be wrong.
Posted by: The Him at October 23, 2008 8:53 PM
We don't see prominent Democrats like Pelosi and Reid or even Hillary whispering any protest at this kind of thing.
Of course not--we are in an election battle. It reminds me of truths about battles:
After the battle when it is dark and there are wounded and dying everywhere, the dogs and cats and some wild pigs come out to chew on the bodies that don't still move. The ghouls and villagers come out to search for treasure and loose things of value---they spear the wounded and cackle with glee at the helplessness and they quickly stuff what they find in bags. It is only later in the light of day when nothing is living that the politicians come and wander in the yellow miasma of stench and death to pose beside the piles of dead and give speeches of how they contributed to the great victory.
That is why we don't see Pelosi and Reid now. But they will be there on victory night. Pelosi will again say how they will accomplish great things. She will shriek their superiority and explain in great detail how brave, moral and noncorrupt they will be. It will be enough to make a vulture puke.
Posted by: jim johnson at October 23, 2008 8:57 PM
Of course, if this happened to an Obama supporter, it would be front page news for the rest of the election. Of course, oh-hum, oh-huh, its just a McCain supporter.
Posted by: conservativeteen at October 23, 2008 9:00 PM
I'm with The Him and Ms. Malkin on this one... there are a lot of fishy details here. I'll reserve judgment until we get more concrete info. The backwards "B" was the first thing that had me wondering. The refusal of medical services was just a tad too much. But we'll see. If this is a hoax, she'll have delivered the Left just the kind of nitwit they've been assuming we all are.
Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 23, 2008 9:03 PM
Ask Biden & The Feminists if VAWA applies!
Posted by: Anonymous at October 23, 2008 9:04 PM
Its too bad she didnt have a gun and put a slug right through the skull of that miseble sidewinding lowlife no good horny toady owlhoot
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at October 23, 2008 9:15 PM
@ Thulsa Doom
I don't have a problem with the "B" being backwards, as we don't know what positions they were in relative to one another when this is supposed to have happened.
My problem is with how clean and symmetrical the "B" is. I find it difficult to believe that this was made during a struggle, or quickly.
Also, as others have pointed out, it does not seem to have been made with a sharp object like a knife-point. You would have to drag the point of a knife very carefully along someone's cheek to make the impression she has, and drawing a rounded form like a "B" would require direction changes that would bring the sharp edge into contact with the skin and cut her open if the knife were sharp. Even if the knife were not sharp, the line would vary in thickness as the blade turned.
Also, since the "B" is still slightly swollen, and the black eye is not, it would appear to have been made at an earlier time. That and the lack of any other color than black (I have never seen a black black-eye) make me wonder if it's even a real injury.
I'm not a detective, and do not claim to be right on this. I am going to withhold any outrage until the real police do their job.
Posted by: The Him at October 23, 2008 9:20 PM
I hate to keep beating on this but, if the perp was facing her feet and carving the "B" in her cheek while bending over her head (as would be the most likely explanation) then why is the top of the "B" overlapping the bottom instead of the other way around?
As an artist (not a detective) I have studied lettering styles a great deal and have never seen anyone make a "B" in that manner before.
Not proof, I know just,..
Posted by: The Him at October 23, 2008 9:26 PM
Agreed, The Him. My gut reaction when I see stuff like this (on either side of the campaign) is to RAGE, but I usually chill out and take a rational second look. My friends and I have been looking over the picture, and, from the image provided, we all agree that the bruising doesn't look convincing. But, like I said before, I'm reserving judgment until more is known.
Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 23, 2008 9:31 PM
Real stories Obama has not said anything about.
Hope, Change and Molotov Cocktails
Obama Supporter Assaults Female McCain Volunteer in New York
Yesterday we asked why the media was reporting a McCain supporter calling Barack Obama an “Arab” and completely ignoring Obama supporters calling Sarah Palin a c*nt, even wearing T-shirts with the phrase “Sarah Palin is a c*nt” on them.
Posted by: steve at October 23, 2008 9:32 PM
The main point to me is that, given all the grief I've laid at the feet of the Obamunists, and assuming this IS for real, it comes down to "so what"?
A nut job does a crazy, violent thing. He represents nothing but a nut job. Like Tim McVeigh. Was he a "conservative"? Did he represent the right? No.
So, if real it means nothing. If fake, she's GOT to be a lib in disguise or a TOTAL moron who thinks she's conservative.
Posted by: matt at October 23, 2008 10:22 PM
Does it matter? One can come up with a thousand scenarios and reasons and side issues. Arab script is from right to left or if the attacker was above her head it is correct. This looks like the work of a finger nail. Maybe she is nuts? We make a big thing of not attacking the rape victim--why is so hard not to go after a beating victim or a victim of a hate crime? There is enough hatred out there where this could have happened. When it is not a liberal victim, it pretty well has to be on video tape even for us.
Posted by: jim johnson at October 23, 2008 10:42 PM
Bumper Sticker recently seen in Texas:
"I'll keep my freedom, my guns, and my money,
and you can keep the "CHANGE".
Vote for McCain/Palin
As far as the story at hand... We'll see. It can happen both ways - wing nuts will be wing nuts.
Liberals have been caught red-handed defacing their own property and hanging 'nooses' on their own doors... all in an attempt to gain political sympathy points. Each time the opposition media was largely silent.
Unfortunately, we can't expect the media to report the truth. If this woman is a fake - you'll hear LOTS about it. If she's telling fact - you'll hear NOTHING from the MSM.
THAT is fact.
Posted by: Jimbo at October 23, 2008 11:13 PM
It does sound weird. But like Ace points out, she appears to have a black eye and you don't give yourself a black eye nohow. You couldn't make yourself do it, there is no technique whereby the expectations of massive pain would not trigger your reflexes. Plus, if she'd just been punched out and was on the floor, left by the guy who then came back to carve up her face, it's just as likely he'd approach from where her head was ponting and carve it on her face upside down.
Still if she is faking, then she deserves scorn and ridicule.
Posted by: mandible claw at October 24, 2008 1:11 AM
Posted by: The Him at October 23, 2008 9:20 PM
If she'd done it herself she'd have to have been facing a mirror (hence backwards B), but she would have to move her hand in the opposite direction to normal writing while viewing the reflection moving in the same direction as normal writing. Try writing in front of a mirror some time, you can't do it.
Posted by: mandible claw at October 24, 2008 1:22 AM
It's pretty retarded to assume that this sheds any light on this election at all. One crazy person did this to somebody. That person neither represents Obama supporters nor proves any particular point about Obama. Sweeping generalizations aside, all this story "tells you" is that there are some crazy, and at times violent, people in the world.
Posted by: anon at October 24, 2008 4:41 AM
Since this allegedly happened near a bank, there should be video surveillance footage of the attack if it did happen. And if it happened in front of an ATM there would be a camera in there too.
Will this matter in the election? No. Obama will likely win - with the stock market and economy cratering and the media effectively demonizing any politician with an R in front of their name.
If this really did happen, its just another indicator of what we might see on election night and in the days and weeks after it. Obamas radical supporters will feel empowered to do alot of damage fearing no retribution. Oh, there will be payback, but they wont be expecting it.
Ive heard repeated incidicents of vandalism and sign theft for properties having a McCain - Palin sign. All I can say, is that on election night I will be at home with the lights out and rifle in hand.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 4:54 AM
Im a Republican, but if this woman pulled a Tawana Brawley, she should go to jail for a few months and receive psychiatric help. There enough real acts of damage by Obama supporters, no need to make up fake ones.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 4:59 AM
As I understand it from the story on Fox News, she took the picture of herself which could account for why the 'B' appears backward.
Posted by: anonymous at October 24, 2008 5:43 AM
In any case, since this took place in a bank parking lot there will be video to prove this one way or the other. I live in that area and banks have several cameras covering the bank and the parking lots. Robberies have become almost weekly occurances. They may not be able to make out the identity of the guy, if there was one, but it will show if the story is completely made up or not.
Though I suppose even if the video shows the attack, some will claim the attacker was part of the plot. Though from the articles Ive seen he was behind her at the ATM and the camera should have gotten a clear view of his face.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 5:50 AM
How does taking a picture of yourself make it backwards? That makes no sense. If I took a picture of myself it wouldn't make a mirror image.
Posted by: mef at October 24, 2008 5:50 AM
i had a problem with this from the gate and then when i saw her photo just knew something was amiss - the carving would NOT have healed so quickly - not in a day for sure.
here's her blog. there are some moments of convenience in it.
why a "B" and not an "O"? this one's a troublemaker for sure.
Posted by: nanc at October 24, 2008 6:05 AM
Carved? More like a scratch. This 'story' stinks - I'm calling B.S.
Posted by: bah humbug at October 24, 2008 6:46 AM
Uh, I think it's time we start packing, I mean, if a bumper sticker is all it takes to invite a mugging and disfigurment then I say bring it on.
Posted by: Lady Cincinnatus at October 24, 2008 7:44 AM
Uh, I think it's time we start packing, I mean, if a bumper sticker is all it takes to invite a mugging and disfurgement then I say bring it on.
Posted by: Lady Cincinnatus at October 24, 2008 7:44 AM
The latest is there is not video footage of it at all. And that B is too neat and backwards. Its BS. Hopefully she will get the mental help she needs after spending a little time in jail. Of course Moonbats on the left do this sort of thing all the time, but this fake will be the one in the national news. She will pay for this the rest of her life as nobody will believe anything she says ever again. If youre going to fake something at least put some thought into it! Pay someone to do it right in front of the cameras. geesh.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 8:00 AM
Backwards B? Maybe the attacker was dyslexic?
She is only 20 which is the prime age for people to do stupid things like this. People at that age never think about the long term consequences of anything. Thats why they sleep around, do drugs and act like fools.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 8:16 AM
On your initial comment, I think it does say something about the state of politics today. On your inference though it's about the state of the right side of the aisle more so than the left. Since the steal of 2000 this nation has divided and all due to the idiot at the helm right now. 8 years later all your sides haircut talk and elite talk has come home to roost and you have been exposed. Just a thought there. Remember if a stubborn Republican says something, it's almost 100% sure that the opposite is true.
Posted by: American Paddy at October 24, 2008 8:38 AM
I took a look at your website and you call Palin a blithering idiot? Did your 3 year old lay out that site for you? LOL. And since you had the ignorance of blathering on about the truth, since you think Palin is an idiot, it is now an absolute fact that she is a genius. Now GO OUT AND A GET A JOB, YOU FREELOADING DUCHEBAG! lol
Posted by: Sen. Government at October 24, 2008 9:01 AM
Anon says that Moonbats do this all the time. I can't think of one. Can you please name one?
Posted by: mef at October 24, 2008 9:05 AM
Ummm... Tawana Brawley? Not that she made up the story for political purposes, mind you. But even after she ADMITTED that it was all BS, would Sharpton and Jackson let it go? Aw HELLLLL no!! They kept beating that dead horse/lie for like, a year...
...for political purposes.
Plenty of examples of this type... first that comes to mind is the poor saps on the LaCrosse team that got shafted by the Democrat DA (who just *happened* to be running for re-election).
Posted by: hiram at October 24, 2008 9:39 AM
Actually Moonbats do things like this all the time - particularly in colleges. Their were blacks who wrote KKK and other racist stuff on their own dorm room doors, there was a recent case of an Islamic student who claimed they were mugged but it never happened. You just need to search the net.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 10:18 AM
Here an oldie where in 2001 a black woman carved KKK in her chest - totally hard core!
" An East Texas woman who claims she was the victim of a racially motivated attack appears to have made the story up.
The woman told Cass County Sheriff's investigators that two white men abducted her last week.
She went on to say that the pair sexually assaulted her, and scrawled the letters K-K-K into her chest.
Now the woman says she carved the letters into her own chest and was actually with the man who she said picked her up after the made up attack.
Investigators say they have not charged the woman yet, but they are planning to meet with the district attorney. "
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 10:21 AM
UPDATE from AP: "Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story. Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story.
"Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked. Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later."
Posted by: roald at October 24, 2008 10:30 AM
Pittsburgh police are charging her with filing a false police report. She's probably a moonbat Obamunist posing as a McCain supporter. I hope she spends some time in the Allegheny County jail.
Posted by: Reid at October 24, 2008 10:45 AM
I love how the few conservatives on this site who questioned her credibility were pretty much ignored by the trolls. When they can't easily catagorize you as mindless minions of the right wing they don't know how to respond.
Posted by: Nobody at October 24, 2008 10:59 AM
PITTSBURGH — Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story.
Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story.
The student, Ashley Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car.
Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked.
Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later.
No arrests have been made.
Posted by: roald at October 24, 2008 11:14 AM
Nobody...So now you want applause for being open minded? I thought that was supposed to be your normal state.
Posted by: roald at October 24, 2008 11:16 AM
Well, it turns out this chick was lying about this whole "attack". Mentally ill? Probably.
I didn't comment earlier on this particular story as it did seem rather fishy.
However, the mainstream media has now picked up this story... now that it's a hoax, of course.
Posted by: Cartman at October 24, 2008 1:36 PM
Sorry Cartman, but mentally ill my ass. This stinks to high heaven as a Democrat plant. Send an agent-provocateur in there to discredit McCain volunteers.
You dig deep enough and you're going to find a left-winger who suddenly last month became "conservative" and joined the McCain campaign. Guaranteed.
Posted by: matt at October 24, 2008 3:13 PM
The Conservatives were all set to make Ashley Todd the next big "Ashley the Victim". Along with “Joe the Plumber” they would take her on the campaign stump so she could tell sympatric throngs how she was assaulted and robbed by a black Obama supporter…and that a vote for Obama was a “vote for my attacker”
As soon as they heard about the incident , McCain and Palin rushed to make personal calls consoling the “victim” and promising her full support.
Right wing bloggers were getting set with headlines that would scream : BLACK OBAMA SUPPORTER RAPES WHITE MCCAIN SUPPORTER
The McCain campaign was going to have a field day. The argument would go something like this: Obama’s campaign has encouraged their supporters to “get in the faces” of anyone supporting McCain. This led to black criminal elements in the Obama campaign taking things too far. Obama needs to rein in his people before someone gets killed. He’s running a Mafia like campaign to intimidate white voters.
Bloggers were complaining online that the Sarah Todd assault story wasn’t getting enough play in the liberal media.
Then, 48 hours after the “assault” whole incident came crashing down in a heap
"Ashley the Victim" became “Ashley the Liar” when she admitted to police that she had made the entire story: No black man, No knife , No knocking her in the back of the head., No “feeling up her shirt”, No "B" for Barrack carved into her face, No $60 dollars , No McCain bumper sticker...”Nothing, Nada, Zippo”
Now all the McCain camp has left is a stinking pile of embarrassing manure
But because they made such a big stink about the incident in the first place Everyone is talking about Ashley Todd….The McCain campaign worker who lied.
So here’s my question: “Is there so much hatred and loathing of Obama among McCain supporters that they have to resort to concocting “Willy Horton” type stories complete with fake assaults, robbery and facial disfiguring to frighten white voters to cast their vote against a black man.
The woman could very easily have said she was attacked and robbed by an Obama supporter. Why throw a 6’ 4” 200 lb knife wielding black man into the mix. Does it add to the drama. Does it play to every white woman’s fears of dark alleys with strange black men?
We are all relieved that this incident never happened. It would have been one more divisive wedge in a country where race and bigotry are still alive. Fortunately for us all, at least one McCain’s campaign worker can’t carve the letter “B” correctly.
Posted by: Norris Hall at October 24, 2008 4:41 PM
matt. Soory to burst your bubble. Before becoming a McCain supporter, she worked for Ron Paul. I don't care for the language they used on the site, but more information may be found at
So unless she was under deep cover, I don't think she was a plant. If the Democrats were devious enough to plant people that far back in time, I would think they would be devious enough not to have lost so many elections over the last 25 years.
Posted by: roald at October 24, 2008 5:06 PM
Norris Hall: You're right. My God, you have opened my eyes with you're long winded, hysterical version of reality.
In case you forgot (maybe you mentioned it, who could read all of that without their eyes rolling out of their head?) But, the Obama camp called her too, and offered sympathies.
What we have here is a sick person. Nothing more.
It's shameful, but it changes nothing and I would like to know where puds like you are hiding out when the liberals are constantly doing the same thing for the same race-baiting reasons you're hyperventilating about.
I'll point out that I was 1st on the block to smell a rat and took heat for "blaming the victim" on other sites. But, that's what real conservatives do. We look at the facts and don't start blubbering tired talking points at the first opportunity. Those of us that do apologize later.
NObama '08 (or ever)
Posted by: The Him at October 24, 2008 6:55 PM
The Him...Mr. Hall's post was rather long and you are correct that sympathies were offered by both sides. I am glad that you smelled the rat and took the heat. It is nice to know that some people still value truth.
I don't have a problem that that so many conservative television and radio people reported that she was attacked. Reporting that her attacker did so because she was a representative of "the other side" without checking was a little overboard, but I see that from the left as well as the right. I have seen more deranged people killing progressive leaders and less conservative people, t than I have on the other side, but perhaps that is just my memory.
My serious issue was the attempt by the conservative media and commentators to tie the action of a criminal to a Presidential candidate. I have not seen that from the left, but would appreciate any references that you have.
Posted by: roald at October 24, 2008 8:12 PM
I would liked to have seen this happen in KENISHAW GEORGIA the thug would have had one way trip to lay on a marble slab with a tag on his big toe and a bullet hole between his eyes
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at October 24, 2008 8:29 PM
The two reporters who broke the story admitted that they got the information from the McCain campaign. While I don't think that the McCain campaign had anything to do with her actions I do think they tried to pull an Al Sharpton.
The Obama camp did not call her according to the reports. They did, however, offer their sympathy.
It's always important to get the facts before jumping to a conclusion.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 9:34 PM
What she did was to bring out those lingering fears about race - while woman attacked by black man. I don't know if she intended to do that but that's exactly what it did. You have to admit that conservative shows (Drudge Report, for example) were quick to jump on it. And while some here thought it was bs, some of you didn't. Some of you thought that this sounded just about what you should expect from an Obama supporter.
You have worked yourselves into a lather over nothing. Liberals and the country survived George Bush. And, if Obama wins, you will survive that and so will the country. Look, he can't possibly do worse that Bush.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 24, 2008 10:05 PM
Well, well, well, seems like it was all bull.
How far will the McCain camp go to smear Obama's campaign?
How sad. They knew of this incident before it happened, it was leaked out by John McCain's Pennsylvania director.
"John McCain's Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established"
This white Christian will be voting for Obama and Biden. How disgusting that the neo-cons would stoop so low, anything to win.
Posted by: Michael Z. at October 24, 2008 10:44 PM
It's funny. you guys have nothing to say 98% of the time on this site. You find one thing that has nothing to do with the McCain campaign and, all of a sudden, there's a ton of progressives reading this site.
@roald: You wrote: "I have seen more deranged people killing progressive leaders and less conservative people, t than I have on the other side, but perhaps that is just my memory."
That is just your memory. Name some.
Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican.
Ronald Reagan (almost assassinated) was a Republican.
John F Kennedy was a Democrat (NOT A LIBERAL or a PROGRESSIVE)
as for this: "My serious issue was the attempt by the conservative media and commentators to tie the action of a criminal to a Presidential candidate. I have not seen that from the left, but would appreciate any references that you have."
How about the fake person who was supposedly chanting "kill him" when Sarah Palin mentioned Obama's name at a rally? Turned out Plain wasn't even there and no one except the Obama supporting "reporter" who wrote about it heard it happen.
How about the press (mainstream newspapers, mind you, not bloggers) who said that Palin wearing a white blouse was "coded racism" ?
How about every single criticism of Obama's actual stances on issues being "coded racism"?
Is that enough race-baiting? If not, there's a lot more.
@Anonymous (nice name) :"What she did was to bring out those lingering fears about race - while woman attacked by black man. I don't know if she intended to do that but that's exactly what it did."
Black on white crime in this country is rampant and under-reported. The reason? The press doesn't want to hamper "race relations". Meanwhile there are thousands (if not tens of thousands) of blacks in this country trying to change the equation and stop this from happening. One of the biggest obstacles they have is that many blacks only see the widely hyped white on black crime and not the much more common opposite. They think they are in the right while, in actuality, it's the black on black crime that is destroying the black community and NO ONE seems able to report fairly on that.
And, you need to get off your high-horse. More liberals have contributed to racial strife by reporting bogus "hate-crimes" (which should be stricken from the books) than any white person - ostensibly conservative or not.
"You have worked yourselves into a lather over nothing. Liberals and the country survived George Bush. And, if Obama wins, you will survive that and so will the country. Look, he can't possibly do worse that Bush."
No, we definitely could. The media has worked overtime to destroy George Bush as if he were Hitler. 75% of what they say is nonsense. Barack Obama shows every sign that he does not not like what this country stands for and his "change" is just that; change to another form of government. Who is he to say this, or think he can manage such a transition? He's nobody. The United States as we know it might not survive an Obama presidency.
@Michel Z - you wrote: "lmao!!!
This white Christian will be voting for Obama and Biden. How disgusting that the neo-cons would stoop so low, anything to win."
Bullshit. You might be white, but no actual Christian would vote for Obama anymore than any real Muslim would vote for a Jew.
P.s. 8 year-olds and pre-teen girls write things like lmao. Really, get a grip.
Posted by: The Him at October 24, 2008 11:54 PM
I think what so many people don't see is that stories like these, race-based and other nonsense, are designed to distract us from the real issue at hand... that Obama is a Marxist wanna-be Socialist.
Obama became the President of the Harvard law review by playing the race card and both ends against the middle and he is clearly doing it again with the two US parties again.
This race card nonsense is gonna get Obama elected because nobody cares about the real issues... like electing a guy with absolutely no experience to run the greatest country in the world.
But as long as people are distracted by this racial nonsense they don't have time for reality.
God help us all if more people aren't able to see past the racial smokescreen issues designed to distract.
Posted by: Cartman at October 25, 2008 1:24 AM
Im not a religious man, but this election is about to make me a believer. Is karma a christian concept..hmmm nevermind. Can McCain and the wingnuts do nothing right? Done in by one of your own because you all went after some ridiculous story like rabid dogs trying to emphasize the guy was black, and trying to put it on Obama when in truth neither he nor McCain can control all the nutjobs out there. Where's the retraction?
Posted by: Anonymous at October 25, 2008 6:57 AM
Moonbats have nothing to say 98% of the time on this site because most of this stuff is so ridiculous.
"No Christian would vote for Obama"? What does that mean? Where do you get this information? Who is telling you this stuff?
Who is distracting us from the real issues? Obama or McCain?
I'm sure you are all true blue Republicans but McCain?
Posted by: Anonymous at October 25, 2008 7:24 AM
The media has worked overtime destroying Bush? Where would that be?
What lies have they reported on?
Posted by: Anonymous at October 25, 2008 7:30 AM
@Cartman: You are right-on. which is why I said this means nothing. It tells us nothing about either Obama, McCain, or their supporters.
I won't spend forever debating this but I will answer a couple of things.
No real Christan would vote for Obama is not something I need people to tell me. I not religious, but I have at least read the text of the Bible (New and Old testaments.) There are an awful lot of people (I would say most) walking around with a crucifix around their neck that do not live at all in the way that they profess to believe in. If they did, there is no way that their religion would allow them to vote for a man so obviously and across the board pro-abortion. Abortion is a cardinal sin in Christianity.
Again, I'm not religious, but neither are a lot of these so-called Christians. I could call myself whatever I want, but if you don't walk the walk,..
@ Anon, No one has the time to catalog the way the media has slandered President Bush. It could take years to compile and disseminate it all. If you don't believe that has happened, you are beyond reasonable argument.
"Moonbats have nothing to say 98% of the time on this site because most of this stuff is so ridiculous."
I feel the same way about moveon.org, the Huffington Post, the Democratic Underground, and the Daily Kos (just to name a few). Which is why I stopped going there and never wasted my time commenting when I did.
Posted by: The Him at October 25, 2008 12:07 PM
Capital punishment is also un-Christian yet good Christian right wingers vote for politicians who advocate capital punishment.
Pro-choice is not the same thing as pro-abortion.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 25, 2008 1:59 PM
My final word on this, it's just getting to tiring,..
No, capitol punishment is not a clear cut-and-dry sin. While the Bible is unclear on this, as it is on a great deal of subjects, it is not mincing on the subject of abortion.
Aside from that you have, as I already pointed out, many people who do not live by their own supposed faith. And, even those that do, have a difficult -often black and white- decision to make: Support the candidate and party that supports capitol punishment (the execution of tried and convicted murderers) or the party that supports "choice" and therefore the killing if innocent babies.
Pro-choice / pro-abortion is a word game which, for the purposes of this election, does not apply. Obama has clearly taken the stance that he supports abortion (or "choice") under any and all circumstances.
He supports partial birth abortion (Bringing a child to full term, holding it partially inside the mother, drilling a hole in it's head and sucking it's brains out) Refusing medical care to infants that survive abortions, etc. etc. There is no give and take here as in cases of rape or incest. His support is across the board and uncompromising.
There may come a time when Christians (and the rest of us) will be presented with a candidate who opposes both abortion and capitol punishment. But that is an alternate universe, and not the current reality.
It's all very sanitary and easy to debate when you're not the one actually doing the killing. But, if you had to personally choose between pulling the lever on a child-molesting murderer, and a 1 hour old baby and you had to sit there and watch the consequences I don't doubt where the majority of people would stand on the issue.
The lesser or two evils here is obvious.
Posted by: The Him at October 25, 2008 2:21 PM
You freaks are going nuts. It's awesome
Posted by: Chris at October 25, 2008 2:55 PM
The Him. I gave your site some publicity a few days ago. Perhaps that explains the added attention. Don't worry, it won't last. The examples you wanted...Bill Gwatney, the Arkansas Democratic Party chair killed by a man who had just lost his job. Could he have been influenced by one of these people.
“I’ll tell you who should be tortured and killed at Guantanamo: every filthy Democrat in the U.S. Congress.” - Sean Hannity
“Oh, you’re one of the sodomites. You should get AIDS and die, you pig! Why don’t you see if you can sue me, you piece of garbage? Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis.” - Michael Savage
“You know, look, if I could strangle these people and not go to hell and get executed — I would — but I can’t.” - Bill O’Reilly
“We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.” - Ann Coulter
“If I ran this country, I’d hang the lawyer. I would try her for aiding and abetting terrorism — I’d hang her and I’d hang every lawyer who went down to Guantánamo to defend those murderers.” - Michael Savage
“If I’m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I’ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.” - Ann Coulter
“Would you kill someone for that?…I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore…I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it…No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?” - Glenn Beck
“Yeah, that’s why they had a pipe bomb and their lawyer said they were firecrackers. I tell you, I’d hang the lawyer. If I ran this country, I’d hang the lawyer.” - Michael Savage
“We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens’ creme brulee. That’s just a joke, for you in the media.” - Ann Coulter
“I don’t want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there’s evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels.” - Bill O’Reilly
Hillary Clinton’s “campaign will be one long hate crime against white people.” - Michael Savage
“I just wish Katrina had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else, just had flooded them out, and I wouldn’t have rescued them.” - Bill O’Reilly
“I mean, why didn’t these morons leave New Orleans before the hurricane? I’ll tell you why: because they wanted to rape and loot! That’s just the way some people are! And if they’re black — if the rapists and looters are black — it’s not George Bush’s fault!” - Rush Limbaugh
“I don’t know why we don’t use a bunker-buster bomb when [Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] comes to the U.N. and just take him out with everyone in there.” - Michael Savage
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.” - Ann Coulter
“I was so angry and appalled, and the far left has made this guy into a hero, this Glick guy. And, it was just revolting. And if I could have whacked him, I would have.” - Bill O’Reilly
“The only question about Bill Clinton is whether to impeach or assassinate.” - Ann Coulter
“And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we’re not going to do anything about it. We’re going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.” - Bill O’Reilly
“They shot the wrong Lincoln.” - Ann Coulter referring to Lincoln Chafee
“You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.” - Rush Limbaugh
Cartman. The MSM waited to report the story until they could get it right. Fox and others jumped on it because they could try to use it to smear liberals.
Posted by: roald at October 25, 2008 6:19 PM
hey you! our rightwing moonbats are part of us. stop being such an intolerant liberal. coulter is one of our favorites.
Posted by: the MSM conspiracy at October 25, 2008 8:51 PM
oh, just -whatever.
First off roald: this is not my site. I just read it and it certainly doesn't need your publicity. If you don't like to debate things, you could always go back to some lib site where everyone will agree with you no matter what and you can feel like a smart, accepted person.
Second, your examples are meaningless. You asked and I quote (AGAIN):
"I have seen more deranged people killing progressive leaders and less conservative people, t than I have on the other side, but perhaps that is just my memory."
You mentioned that one guy who was never proven to be anything other than obviously unhinged, and then just started pulling random quotes you found offensive (I assume) but have nothing to do with your own original analysis. I could waste my time pouring through the internet and pulling out inappropriate comments all day long too but, really, what's the point? I could spend all day just quoting offensive leftist comments from movies.
Is it impossible to admit when you get something wrong? Does it hurt or something?
Frankly I don't care if you don't like what Ann Coulter or Michel Savage have to say. I don't particularly care for Michel Savage or Sean Hannity for that matter but it's just words. And words, by you, me, or anyone else, are still protected here in the U.S.
At least for now.
You ask if the guy who shot Bill Gwatney was influenced by one of those people. I don't know, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say no since, if he had, it would have been all over the place. Do you think leaving some question hanging like that proves anything?
This is another problem people have with liberal ideology; Why does it matter what this guy was influenced by? If someone is so weak minded as to be influenced to kill by some pundits throw away lines, he's weak minded enough to be influenced by anything, and we don't shut down opposing points of view (left or right) because of lunatics like him. If we did we would have to shut down all violent t.v. shows, movies, video games, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
No one is going nuts. You want people going nuts, read any discussion on a lib site. I'm merely pointing out why I feel the way I do, systematically. It's not something I bother with very often because it usually ends up being pointless. No leftist really cares if they are wrong or not, and usually it just devolves into guys like you and MSM posting what you think are little zingers.
Posted by: The Him at October 25, 2008 10:42 PM
I do want to point out, however, that however much we may disagree on things I am with you about how appropriate the reporting on the original topic was.
Many people DID jump to conclusions without fully checking the facts. The blog that was referenced to start this very thread was lunatic about it and, when it was found to be a hoax, instead of apologizing for jumping the gun, that person pulled the blog and didn't mention it further. I have never read that persons blog before and will never bother to again.
That's intellectual dishonesty and immature to boot. We all make mistakes, but we should never sacrifice the truth just to save face.
Posted by: The Him at October 25, 2008 11:00 PM
Perhaps you should censor some comments:
“You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.” - Rush Limbaugh
is beyond the pale. It's illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater. Given the tension in this election, this is unforgivable.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 26, 2008 11:38 AM
I can honestly say that the comments section is starting to drive me away from this site and many other conservative sites. There's really no where conservatives can meet and discuss stuff like this without being railed on nonstop by liberal trolls. If you guys are so sure your candidate is going to win and change everything, then why bother coming over to the losers' sites and pick fights? Is it just pure gloating?
Posted by: anonymous at October 26, 2008 4:36 PM
I can honestly say that the comments section is starting to drive me away from this site and many other conservative sites.
Posted by: anonymous
Then I suppose you should spend your time reading DailyKOS, Huffington Bitch, and similar trash sites. Make yourself scarce. You certainly won't be missed here. After all - you're "anonymous".
Sheesh. What a dipshit.
Posted by: Jimbo at October 26, 2008 6:20 PM
you might want to reread my post. "There's really no where CONSERVATIVES can meet and discuss stuff like this without being railed on nonstop by LIBERAL trolls." you just read the first line and went off like a rocket. everybody's in a bad mood here. but i understand... i blame it on the trolls.
Posted by: anonymous at October 26, 2008 8:46 PM
and how about not calling me a dipshit. you're starting to sound like a liberal.
Posted by: anonymous at October 26, 2008 8:48 PM
Well, I come here for the spectacle. Not to gloat.
I'm just waiting for you to say how you really feel.
If Obama wins I wouldn't gloat. I'm sure you didn't when Bush won. Twice. I'm sure you were gracious.
I go to liberal sites for the spectacle as well. Some of the bloggers there are just as wacked as some of the bloggers here.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 27, 2008 3:33 PM