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they'll pass the fairness doctrine and the rest of u.s. will be silenced.

NO DISSENTING VOICES TO BE HEARD!

You got it nanc.

The "fairness" doctrine will silence talk radio.

The "internet neutrality" act will end websites like Moonbattery for good.

The "Obama Truth Squads" will stop anti-administration speech.

Hate crime laws will take care of whatever is left.

Once again, I paraphrase Stalin: We don't let them have guns, why should we let them have ideas?

All the more reason, my friends, to GET OUT THE VOTE! Check out the McCain/Palin Phone Bank:

https://secure.johnmccain.com//Secure/Signup.aspx?smode=phonebank

A weekend is a great time to call and use up those free nights and weekend minutes you never use.

And our would be dictator BARACK OBAMA will closed down all media that dont tow the line and broadcast all in favor of EMPORER PALPATINE OBAMA

McCain has done his share of banning.

You guys sound like a bunch of whining liberals.

Listen, chickenshit Anonymous...first of all, if you're gonna call someone out, be a man and use a name.

Second, no one here is whining. We're getting ready to defend ourselves (not ask someone to do it for us).

Go back to the Daily Kos. After McCain wins, you can sit and get all scared and weepy and have back spasms like Erica Jong and Jane Fonda.

McCain has done his share of banning.
Posted by: Anonymous

Let's see... He banned Maurine Dowd (or whatever her name is) from the NYT but she's not a real journalist and she doesn't work for a real newspaper.

And she probably stunk up the plane.

I would use my real name but you people are threatening to take to the streets with guns. Not the talk of rational people.

Who said I was a liberal and read the Daily Kos? I said you sounded like whining liberals.

The journalists were only banned from the plane - not from the campaign. So, boo hoo, they have travel commercial.

As far as who is a journalist and who is not, I think the Washington Times is a bit suspect. I mean it's owned by Sun Myung Moon for goodness sake!

No one is "taking to the streets". But we are prepared to defend what's ours.

Perhaps you are a suspected liberal because you misinterpret hyperbole, which is a basic disorder of the liberal persona non grata.

We're only "threatening" to protect what's ours and what we value in our country. As bellicose as we may come across at times, I can promise you there's nothing to fear of any of us instigating anything unjust. We're merely preparing ourselves to respond to whatever may happen. You know, like a fire extinguisher: it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. We prepare for the worst case, and anything less is covered. Not the talk of rational people? If you fail to plan you may as well plan to fail. I would submit we're by far the more rational.

Again, you are assuming I'm a liberal instead of a conservative with a strong faith in how a democracy works.

We hold an election. The person with the most [electorial] votes wins. This is because majority rules. So, instead of threatening the liberals and name calling go out and vote! Instead of telling everyone what's wrong with Obama tell everyone what's right about McCain.

The fact that you believe the Washington Times is a "real" newspaper is just ... I don't know ... moonie.

Uhhh yeah... who said we're taking anything to the streets? If anything we're preparing to hold up in bunkers and defend our current rights. Matt said specifically, "We're getting ready to defend ourselves (not ask someone to do it for us)." Funny how you guys automatically assume we're gonna don white hoods and burn junk down or something similar. I don't even own a gun, dude.

Oh, get a grip! The world isn't going to come to an end. Obama is not a socialist, Marxist, or communist for goodness sake.

LARRY KING: You don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist, do you?

MCCAIN: No.


October 29, 2008

[The fact that you believe the Washington Times is a "real" newspaper is just ... I don't know ... moonie.]

Yeah, that's usually the cover lib-tards use when they want to pretend not to be lib-tards and that they're 'independents' scoffing at conservative Republicans.

I guess a 'real newspaper' for you would be Counter Punch or the NYT?

3 words.

Sun Myung Moon.

Anonymous 3:41 PM... we did this before...

L. KING: Do you -- you don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist, do you?

MCCAIN: No. But I do believe -- I do believe that he's been in the far left of American politics. He has stated time after time that he believes in quote, "spreading the wealth around." He's talked about courts that would redistribute the wealth.

He has a record of voting against tax cuts and for tax increases. And I don't think there's any doubt that he would increase spending and he would -- and sooner or later, we would be increasing taxes.

There is no doubt in my mind that that's what his record -- 94 times he voted to cut taxes -- against tax cuts and for tax increases. He voted for -- and that's what matters, not rhetoric -- to raise taxes on individuals making $42,000 a year.

Google is your friend!

And your point?

McCain's use of the word "socialist" was obviously meant to scare you, the proof being that he doesn't even believe Obama is a socialist. He was hoping you wouldn't look any further - that the word "socialist" would stop you from investigating.

Google is your friend. Use it. And don't just depend on the right-wing media. Get a sampling.

There's no problem making an intelligent argument against your opponent but "socialist" and "pro-american parts of the country" are buzz-words meant to scare. To further divide us. Not intelligent arguments.

This is still the

United

And I say he IS a socialist, even if McCain decides not to use the term. If it looks, smells, sounds, and tastes like a duck, it's a duck. Obama IS a socialist. He knows how powerful the word is just as well as you do, so he's avoiding it-- avoiding being associated with it. But the fact is that he slipped up when he was talking to Joe the Plumber and the left tried to bury Joe because he scratched a lil notch in The One's cover story that he's centrist. He's about as centrist as I am leftist. And don't go assuming I take in just right-wing media. I don't have the luxury of cable television, so I'm pretty much forced to get my news spoon-fed to me by the alphabet networks who pretty much have a moratorium on negative stories about Obama and an overabundance of stories about how evil John McCain and Sarah Palin are. And if you want to argue that ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS aren't one-sided, propaganda outlets for the left, then we have nothing to discuss. I can't hold a conversation with someone who refuses to see something that is so abundantly clear.

Which brings us full cycle. This sounds like liberal whining! Remember 2000 and 2008? This is exactly what the liberals were saying. Maybe it's time to start worrying about your own candidate.

And do yourself a favor and look up Sun Myung Moon. Do you really want to get the news from a man who thinks he's the second coming of Christ? Or from Rupert Murdoch the billionaire? Yeah, I'm sure he has your best interests at heart.

Like I said, get the news from several different places so you can make an informed decision.

Dear Anonypussy:

You should check your fly; your Class Envy is hanging out again. Bringing up Murdoch is the tell. Wanna play poker sometime?

Oh, yeah, I'm sure George Soros has YOUR best interests at heart, what with his worship of communism and all. (Nice that he supports the guy who wants to blow taxes to the moon, when he can afford an army of accountants to shelter him from it, huh?)

Wanna volunteer for the first luxury cruise to the Gulag? It's cheap... the tickets are all 'one-way'. Those who help his "one" get into power get a free first-class ticket, if history bears out. Those who know how to steal power are dangerous to those they stole it for.

And no, I've never read the Washington Times. So drop the Moonie shit with me. Shall we discuss how the New York Times intentionally buried all stories relating to the Holocaust while it was happening?

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2005/04/21/2005-04-21_times_didnt_hide_holocaust_just_buried_i.html

Or should we discuss Walter Duranty? I'm sure his Pulitzer is safe, since those who decide such things have no problem with genocide when it's "for the cause".

Or maybe we should talk about how the mass slaughter in Darfur (and that whole region of the Sudan, actually) didn't get the attention of the so-called 'respectable' journalists until all the Christians had been massacred. Happened on Clinton's watch, so let's just sweep it under the rug, mmm'kay? It was only when the Arab Mozlems turned on the Black Mozlems that the American press got its' panties in a bunch.

Yes, Google *is* my friend. I suggest you use it sometime, even if it's been shown as just another leftist shill... even THEY can't hide the truth so obvious to those that will bother to open their eyes.

Will you?

Well, many of us maintain some anonymity here, after all, it doesn't say "Evilwrench" on my birth certificate (which I have in hand and wouldn't refuse to show).

McCain won't say "socialist" outright, because he's being too damn polite, and I would think he fears (probably with justification) that it would actually be used against him. The actual worst thing that came out of McCarthyism was the communists got a "get out of any debate free" card; if you call them out on their socialism/communism, however right you are, they just use the "M" word to shut it down.

Why do we go on so about what's wrong with Obama? Well, for one he's unquestionably a moonbat, and that's what the site's for, plus, there's so DAMN MUCH wrong with and about him. What's so good about McCain? That's a tough one, for me. This election is like having the choice between getting both eyes poked out or only one. The best thing about McCain is he isn't Obama.

And the tell that you are a conservative is your resort to name calling and threats.

Wow! That's the worst thing? Wow! What color is the sky in your world?

You realize that all the complaints you have against the Democrats regarding stealing power is exactly what Bush did in 2000 and 2004. So, please! Don't lecture me about stealing power.

It must really hurt that so many people are so sick and tired of conservative crap from Bush that they are willing to vote for a black man with a middle name of Hussein.

Calling someone a socialist isn't the problem. The problem is that its a lie. At least McCain was man enough to admit it so why can't you?

Oh HA HA HA!

You know the reporters can fly commercial and actually pay for their ticket. Isn't that what conservatives are all about? Paying your own way? No free rides, right? Especially with other people's money.

So, this is a laugh!

See guys? This is why I refuse to talk to them. You give them a very rational reason why you believe what you believe and they pick and choose from the things you say the elements that they can use to demonize you. This is why bipartisanship never works, and it's the same reason why debate with liberals never works. I think the people who matter on this site have my back on this one.

Amen, Thulsa.

Who is Irving Slosberg?

For most conservatives the vote is not so much for McCain as against Obama. Similar to voting for Bush in 2004 as opposed to a traitor like John Kerry.

As for reports on the campaign planes, its all about ACCESS to the candidates. The problem people have with what Obama did was that the 3 reporters were not removed until their papers endorsed McCain. With McCain, that involved commentators, not reporters. People like Dowd and Klein are commentators and not members of the Press. These days some people think even bloggers are members of the Press - they arent.

Then again it really doesn matter since if Obama wins the only press that will have access to Obama are those that agree with him.

Pretty rational argument except Kerry wasn't a traitor and the press is not going to be suppressed IF Obama wins.

Paranoid drivel. Obama is a Democrat not a Republican silly rabbit.

Actually, Kerry was in violation of the Logan act, while a Naval reservist, for "negotiating" with the North Vietnamese in France. Therefore he is in fact, legally, a traitor. He would have been subject to execution by firing squad except at the time they weren't really pursuing that sort of thing.

I suppose you're implying the press is being suppressed NOW? What we have is almost all media totally abrogating their responsibility and shamelessly cheerleading for the OPPOSITION candidate, with absolutely no fear of reprisal. Show me a media outlet that's been shut down. Yeah, that's what Republicans do, isn't it?

Obama is a communist wearing the label of "Democrat" in order to fake some kind of legitimacy. With the "truth squads", urging the cultists to get in peoples' faces, the resurrection of the fairness doctrine, and now this, actual suppression of the media is in no way farfetched.

Are you serious?

Anyway, you got bigger problems than this. It doesn't matter who becomes our next president.

10% of the population is going to be out of work next year. 25% won't be able to keep their houses. And it won't be, you know, THOSE people. It will be you and your friends and your relatives.

The damage has already been done.

Actually, it does matter. Now is absolutely NOT the time to be raising taxes, especially not by a bunch. Tax the corporations? you know what happens then? They have to cut expenses, which means fewer jobs at less pay, and raising prices across the board. This is like a regressive tax, where the lowest income people are hurt the most. Some friend of the poor and working class you have there.

I'm sure you're also proceeding from the leftstream media interpretation of the origin of the current problems, but let me tell ya, it originated with Carter, and the kill shot was fired by Clinton. The D's in Congress made it happen, and Barry Soetro, er, Dunham, er, sorry, Obama is hip deep in CAUSING it. This is the guy you think is going to FIX it? That's a good one. The first presidential candidate with a list of AKA's. Isn't that so, um, INCLUSIVE?

WRONG, again.
Who is better for the economy?

There are many who believe that McCain is a traitor. His nickname was "songbird" when he was a prisoner of war. And many believe that the information he gave the North Vietnamese was so damaging that they had to stop 60% of the air raids in North Vietnam. Still others believe that he withheld information that would have helped in the return of fellow POWs.

" Kerry wasn't a traitor"
"There are many who believe that McCain is a traitor. His nickname was "songbird" when he was a prisoner of war."

If true, it would be understandable (If not necessarily right) for him to give information while being tortured. That doesn't even compare to Kerry's open acts of treason.
During the 2004 campaign, Kerry loved bragging about his service in Vietnam as a way of scoring points with veterans, but what he conveniently forgot to mention was that after returning from Vietnam, he was a big part of the anti- war movement, and called his fellow troops who were still in Vietnam "War criminals." He didn't seem so proud of his Purple Heart when he was throwing it at the White House steps. What he also forgot to mention was how many times he met in Paris with the leaders of the Viet- Cong, who directly orchestrated several of the anti- war protests Kerry participated in (i.e. the medal- throwing protest) as a way of undermining support for the war in America.

While I do understand McCain's confessions and I don't believe he should be punished for it nonetheless it does constitute treason. There is no telling how many of our soldiers were harmed because of the information revealed, how long the war was prolonged, or how many POWs were left in Vietnam, if any, because of his actions to block information from becoming public.

"Anonymous at November 1, 2008 11:56 AM"

EVIDENCE. NOW.

You lieing bastard.

I've heard a number of McCain's former prison-mates interviewed, as well as reading their memoirs, and "Anonymous" is the first one I've ever heard to come up with this "songbird" story.

Go here .

You might also want to google "songbird mccain". I will admit that it is possible that these are the swiftboat veterans of this election but maybe, just maybe, they are telling the truth.

I found an article you might be interested in
here.

So as long as McCain has worked in politics, this has never come up before- and only surfaces now that he's running for POTUS?

Please...

Look guys- when I was younger- I admit it- I was more of a liberal, myself. But then I got tired of being wrong all the time and looking like a fool. So I started looking at things from the other end of the political spectrum. And I'll tell ya- it makes much more sense from this angle. Having been on both sides during the course of my lifetime, it's like having a blindfold taken off.

Look at it from the other side, Anon(s)! Conservatism is not evil! And I've got news for you: The older you get, the more conservative your views will become. It's true...