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Here is a funny ACORN cartoon from Iowahawk.

http://tinyurl.com/4pptw2

And still kinda on topic.

I've worked on voter registration campaigns before (albeit not with ACORN)and I can tell you that it is against federal regulation to throw out or not submit reg cards, even if they are obviously fake.

Are they also planning to sign up THE EASTER BUNNY AND THE TOOTH FAIRY as well

The Demotroll talking point has been, "This isn't vote fraud, it's just registration fraud." Stupid. As if ACORN is going to go through all that trouble to file thousands of phony registrations and then not use them to tip an election.

Also, filling out a false voter registration is a felony.

Are we sure this is ACORN's doing? There don't seem to be any mispellings on the form.

But why should they bother? It's not like Obama will be taken to task for it. Just chalk it up to the Audacity of Arrogance.

You mean how McCain's own connection with ACORN won't be taken to task? And how the Republicans are trying to keep those that have lost their homes from voting? And how other legitimate voters are being taken off the ballot, and how Gore won the popular vote back in 2000 - yet Bush got into office?

Are you saying that voter fraud is a liberal phenomenon?

goofy and pluto must be pist!

"Joe 6-pack at October 14, 2008 2:31 PM"

How many times do we have to disprove those LIES? Or do we have to invent NEW ways to disprove them?

Joe 6: What other "legitimate" voters are being left off the registration rolls by Republicans? And even if that is true, it doesn't mean that what ACORN is doing is OK - it means both sides are doing something illegal and should be stopped. And if the McCain/ACORN story had any legs at all, you can bet the leftist media would be all over it, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

As for the 2000 election, Bush won the election because he won more electoral college votes than Al Gore, which has happened three other times in history.

In 1824 John Quincy Adams defeated Andrew Jackson, although this is a bit weird because not every state counted the popular vote at that time (some state legislators appointed their electoral college reps).

In 1876, Samuel Tilden won the popular vote, but Rutherford B. Hayes won the electoral vote. This one is very similar to the 2000 election in that 20 of the electoral votes were in dispute (including Florida). This was resolved by the Compromise of 1877, which is a shady piece of politicking if I ever saw one. In a nutshell, Hayes was awarded the Presidency in return for removing federal troops from Louisiana, South Carolina, and Florida, effectively ending Reconstruction. Imagine the uproar if something like that happened today!

In 1888, Grover Cleveland won the popular vote but got smoked in the electoral college by Benjamin Harrison. This election was mostly split North/South. Harrison won the northern states, which had many more electors than the south. There was voter fraud in Indiana in this election (see Blocks of Five) by the Republicans, but even after it was uncovered the Republican (Harrison) won anyway. Harrison carried Cleveland's home state (New York), which was enough to seal the election for him even if you throw out Indiana (due to potential fraud there that was not uncovered). This comes down to the mechanics of how the electors are chosen.

The upshot of all of this is that it is entirely possible to win the popular vote but lose the electoral college. Losing narrowly in populous states and winning big in less populous states can result in lots of popular votes but fewer electors, since in most states (48 of them) plus DC, the elector selection is all-or-nothing - the ticket that wins the popular vote in that state gets ALL of the electors for that state. Maine and Nebraska select two electors by statewide vote and the rest broken down by congressional district.

And before anyone complains about the Electoral College, remember that without it only populous areas (not just states, but individual metro areas) would wield any political power at all, because the candidates would have no incentive to cater to anyone outside of the big cities. It is the electoral college that truly allows all citizens, regardless of where they live, to have their vote matter even a little. If more states were like Maine and Nebraska, our votes would matter a whole lot more.

So Joe, I would say that the voter fraud we have seen so far in this election is a liberal phenomenon in that we have many direct ties between the liberal candidate and the organization doing the misdeeds. So far there has been nothing credible to tie conservatives to vote fraud. Though there might certainly be some conservative fraud, the scale with which ACORN is operating and the complete lack of outrage by our watch-puppies in the media (overwhelmingly leftist as they are) lead me to believe that this election is in great danger of being stolen by the Democrats by massive and alarmingly open fraud - the sort of behavior that shocks and saddens us when we see it happen in third-world banana republics. I'd remind all of the liberals in the audience dancing with glee at this thought that it would be wise to see to it that this practice can not continue, because if it can happen to the Republicans this time, it can happen to the Democrats some other time.

CoderInCrisis.

If you are writing for the trolling liberals, you may as well be talking to the cat. There is no amount of logic or history that is going to teach these cinderblocks that we have a representative Republic.

Many liberals, including Hillary Clinton came out arguing that we should revisit the legitimacy of the electoral college, presumably since it did not reflect the popular vote (the college was then aided by the Federal Supreme Court that decided arbitrarily to grant Bush the presidency... or something like that.... factually wrong on all counts of course. I mean can you imagine conservative Justices gambling with the heritage and authority of the Court and with their objective, intellectual records of legal jurisprudence focused against years of subsequent scrutiny, in order to give the presidency to Bush...what did they get in return? Harriet Myers? A night in the Lincoln bedroom? Liberals play with the Constitution, not conservatives).

Its ironic that liberals have been screaming about Bush "stealing the election" what with the antics of ACORN now indicating that there was a good chance that the election was poisoned by illegal, Democrat votes attempting to steal the election.

Anyway, nice try Coder (and this kind of clarity is what's refreshing about this site) but without at least two connecting neurons, liberals will never enjoy the capacity to understand the Republic they are trying to destroy with their malignant ignorance.

Jay.

No mispellings, but the team apparently struggled for a while with "mouse".

I wonder when Spongebob Squarepants is going to become a registered voter through ACORN's efforts?

A fitting editorial cartoon - get it while it's there.

ACORN registers Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy

This site is great. Whenever a troll comes along, there are usually any number of knowledgeable, well informed, sane people to stomp all over it. In this particular case it was Coder and Fiberal doing the monster mash. Notice how it's usually one or two troll posts that are quickly countered by the H-bomb of truth, then no more troll. I wonder why that is? (rhetorical) Keep up the good work gents (and gals). You really do help me get through my day here in my liberal-to-the-gills office.

Do you think the satcons are in ACORN?

Coder:

Thanks to you for your posts in this thread. Being kind of a young 'un it's always enlightening to hear the voice of wisdom, experience, and a legally-registered living voter.

And that goes for most people here on Moonbattery as well.

Anon at 4:02 AM: You're welcome.

Fiberal: Yeah, I know I'm not going to convince a liberal troll of anything, but responding in this manner does show them that we don't take their crap lying down. And you are quite correct in that the Supreme Court had nothing to gain by "stealing" the election for either side - to do so only damages the court's reputation.

What frosts me is that I didn't know that stuff off the top of my head, either. I knew that there was at least one other election where the popular vote winner lost the Electoral College vote. I found out that there is actually three other times. A quick Google for "president lost the popular vote" turned up (on the first hit) a page of Presidential trivia that gave the elections that turned out this way. Wikipedia provided the details. It took all of maybe 5 minutes to skim the material enough to get the idea. It's not difficult, but of course your truly dedicated troll is not to be put off by facts and logic, and you can forget 5 minutes of research.

Registration fraud is not voter fraud. Voter fraud, while illegal, is not election fraud.

I just found an example of voter fraud, a woman who voted for Democrat Al Gore in 2000 when she was 16 years old. Her name, Meghan McCain.

Not that I blame her when I recall what Bush and company did to her father back in the days when he had some principles.

Coder.

So noted. The problem in trying to communicate with liberals is that they maintain and enforce positions that are not held for rationale reasons but are often disguised as common discourse.

They use a lot of rhetorical tricks as well:

1) Approximate parallelism is their favorite: a juvenile way of saying that I am not guilty of X since others have done Y.

2) Talking over their opponent (volume)

3) Obscenities/threat of violence
4) Insisting on a "fact" that then becomes encumbent upon the opponent to refute with actual facts, often requiring extensive research.

5) focusing on a tangental or immaterial line of argument

7) accusations of "elitism" (ironically)
8) Intentional lies,

and a myriad of logical fallacies (e.g., ad hominem, etc.).

You've just had a taste of #4.

Fiberal... I would like to correct a typo in your post. The list you provided is the "Republican" list. The Democrats do use a few of the tactics. I have heard conservative callers cut off when the conversation moves to talking points.