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September 29, 2008
The Fate of Useful Idiots
Even after the fall of the Soviet Union, this interview with former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov hasn't lost relevance, because the enemy within is stronger than ever:
Lucky thing for Obama's mentor and Communist Party USA member Frank Marshall Davis that his goal of overthrowing the American government in favor of a communist regime wasn't realized in his time. He would have been among the first to be shot.
On a tip from Smokey.
Posted by Van Helsing at September 29, 2008 10:26 AM
Comments
thats an old vid... be careful, since the area is guarded by the irrelevent and propped tin hatters...
anyway... his point as to what happens is true.
the most gullible of this group are the feminists, who despite seeing taht women are slaves in communist areas, and have more abortions than births in russia... that they will be the movers and the shakers because the men using them against other men give them the false belief that their power is theirs to wield.
who funds move on? code pink? NOW?
(which hasnt been funded by donations in decades).
may i ask them how many women served as part of the supreme soviet? how many women did mao's state put up at top positions?
while they work for a totaltiarian state to make a feminist utopia, they havent noticed that only in free capitalist states do women have parity with men, adn do women serve in politics in any great number! (though recently some swedes have written about it and the fact that they may habe been siding with the wrong side).
no... what will happen is that the women will end up being worse slaves than they THINK they were in the family of their own making and their own rules. (during the nike scandal no one noticed that the women didnt have mates, families, or anythign.. they lived in barracks and that was all their life was...no fancy dress, forced sterlization, no room of their own, no careers, no party time, etc).
the ones who know how to tear down a state, are too dangersous to let live and potentially organize after they find out they have been used.
they really dont understand or believe the outcomes. they really believe those bad things are either fake propaganda, or relative to the US, which they arent.
its scary... but people who have experience with it, will do ok, while they watch everyone else dance a jitterbug in a field of bear traps with a blind fold on!!! (and call it utopia).
Posted by: Artfldgr at September 29, 2008 12:45 PM
Those were words to live by, Artfldgr. It's too bad certain people will not listen.
Posted by: KHarn at September 29, 2008 3:24 PM
True, but we are all aware of this and, as the man says, you can't convince the true believers once they have signed on. No amount of facts or proof will persuade them. We have all probably had that experience more than once with people we know.
The only solution is what he, Mark Steyn, Evan Sayet, and many others have said: We need to take back the schools and entertainment industry. Shut down all the leftist ideologues and institutions that have been corrupting this society.
How?
Simple enough, the American Carol post here shows that it can be done. As Mark Steyn said on the subject (and I paraphrase) "Instead of complaining about all of the tripe coming out of Hollywood we just need to get on with making better pictures."
Support private schools and entertainment that doesn't warp people's minds.
Really, is it going to kill you not to buy the next "Family Guy" DVD set? No ones asking you to go to war the way the troops are but, for God's sake, show them some respect and stop lining the pockets of leftists.
Posted by: The Him at September 29, 2008 8:24 PM
Speaking of Family Guy... did anyone see last night's episode? They're laying the political junk on thick this season already on the first episode. Seth McFarlane gets bolder each season.
Posted by: Thulsa Doom at September 29, 2008 9:16 PM
Yeah Thulsa Doom they don't even try to hide it anymore. Well what can you expect from a bunch of manatees?
Posted by: Conan The Barbarian at September 29, 2008 9:31 PM
Great video! I'm new to the blog-o-world and I really like this site. I'm laid up after spine surgery ( like all yall needed to know) But my point is..... I thought I woke up in an alternate universe somewhere. I knew there had to be like minded peeps out there. I knew I could not have been the only person left seein' this foolishness goin' on around me!!! Don't get me wrong, I've been seein' it comming......... but Damn!You got the ONEFLY and his minion of maggots.eeeewwwww
Back to the video, could it get posted on youtube by a kind soul out there? (Did I mention I'm computer stupid?) Thanks for letting me post and vent.
Posted by: reeram at September 29, 2008 11:55 PM
Do you seriously believe that Frank Marshall Davis believed in overthrowing the American government in favor of a communist regime?
Posted by: Kaleokualoha at September 30, 2008 2:06 AM
Catastrophe is close.
Heck, Bezmenov said we had several years but that was 23 years ago!
The commies have been working on this for a long time now; all the right people are in the right places at the right time.
They own the media and now have several generations brainwashed with Marxist/Leninist propaganda: the fix is in and Obama is their boy.
Here's an interesting read:
"Obama, Clinton, Gore: the Red Connection?
John L. McKnight a devoted disciple of Saul "The Red" Alinsky was the man who wrote the letter of recommendation for Barack Hussein Obama to go to Harvard says a story released by World Net Daily."
http://lemonlimemoon.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-clinton-gore-red-connection.html
Posted by: Anonymous at September 30, 2008 2:32 AM
OT, footage the Democrats would rather not be seen.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
And the MSM would still rather the sheep believe that it is all the fault of the Republicans and GW.
"Lets just keep quiet about Carter and Clinton shall we. The public will think what we tell them."
Posted by: Gore blimey, the sky is falling. at September 30, 2008 4:31 AM
Speaking of Family Guy... did anyone see last night's episode? They're laying the political junk on thick this season already on the first episode. Seth McFarlane gets bolder each season.
Since you bring it up, isn't Brian just the archetypal liberal Democrat douchebag? He's an atheist pseudo-intellectual wannabe writer with no job and a substance abuse problem whose highest goal in life is to bang his best friend's wife. Also, he secretly hates blacks.
The only thing missing is he doesn't post poorly spelled screeds anonymously on conservative websites.
Posted by: V the K at September 30, 2008 6:24 AM
The SOVIET UNION isnt dead after all its just been renamed the EUROPEAN UNION and the same liberals are now aiming to do the same with america with the NORTH AMERICAN UNION tell you congressmen or senator YOU DONT WANT ANY NORTH AMERICAN UNION
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at September 30, 2008 6:28 AM
V the K, I gave up on 'Family Guy' a LONG time ago. Why watch a show that doesn't contain a single remotely likable character?
You're dead- on about Brian. His constantly going after Lois is especially disgusting because he'd still be a stray on the streets if it weren't for Peter taking him in, and that's how Brian shows his gratitude for it? As for your last comment about the only thing missing, that would be contrary to MacFarlane's view of liberals as brilliant, enlightened saints who try to speak the truth to those ignorant Christian conservatives. I mean, you'll notice that Brian is usualy portrayed as the voice of reason/morality among the family.
I may be angry over how much Matt Groening is using his shows to promote a liberal view, but he is NOTHING compared to Seth MacFarlane in that regard.
Posted by: Adam at September 30, 2008 7:11 AM
The part that makes Seth MacFarlane a real moonbat is that he was supposed to be on one of the hijacked 9-11 planes but he missed his flight.
A more mature, intelligent person might have derived some insight from that.
Posted by: V the K at September 30, 2008 8:50 AM
Communists have never had any problem killing millions of people. Since liberals do not particularly empathize in any meaningful or permanent way with the murders of the 9-11 victims (e.g., think Neil Young or Keith Olberman) the point made by Bezmenov in the video that the immoral make the best useful idiots seems entirely correct.
If liberals could express some kind of minimal resentment toward terrorists, then Bezmenov's point might not be as strong.
(that is, at least beyond their usual talking point about humanely capturing and delicately trying Bin Laden represented by the best U.S. attorneys in a court of his peers).
Posted by: Fiberal at September 30, 2008 10:08 AM
Do you seriously believe that Frank Marshall Davis believed in overthrowing the American government in favor of a communist regime?
believe? that implies faith... no, we need no faith in this, and we know... its real easy... he says so... AND... he worked towards it.
so your statement is leftist in how its presented, allow me to correct its verbiage and things become clearer.
Do you seriously believe that Frank Marshall Davis worked hard for years to overthrowing the American government in favor of a communist regime?
its not his beliefs we talk about, its his actions. beliefs are nothing if they dont engage action. (marx said something similar).
like being a member of the CPUSA... not the kind of organization you wander by walk in and join. he had been a party member for years and years, since 1931. [do some research and you can read the FBI files for some of the 19 years they tracked him]
frank was in the "index", that in a national emergency he was to be arrested.
Only very dangerous people were on the FBI security index, people who were on the side of an enemy and not on the side of the United States.” G. Gordon Liddy
you can read more interesting things here.
The Frank Marshall Davis Network in Hawaii
www.aim.org/aim-column/the-frank-marshall-davis-network-in-hawaii/
Davis, it turns out, was just one member of a network whose works continue to exert influence to this day.
beieve is too weak a word... know is more accurate
Posted by: Artfldgr at September 30, 2008 10:32 AM
It is unfortunate that so many people believe falsehoods spread by "Accuracy In Media" (AIM) against my father, Frank Marshall Davis. AIM has been conducting a disinformation campaign against the Obama-Davis relationship. Their "specific misrepresentation" is documented at http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Kaleokualoha/gGxdvX. I invite any person of integrity to refute my evidence against any of these AIM lies. If AIM had authentic evidence of Davis's radical influence, they would not need to fabricate such evidence.
They have it wrong about Frank Marshall Davis. Edgar Tidwell, whom AIM's Cliff Kincaid cites as "an expert on the life and writings of Davis," demolishes right-wing misrepresentation of Davis's radical influence in one simple paragraph:
"Although my research indicates that Davis joined the CPUSA as a "closet member" during World War II, there is no evidence that he was a Stalinist, or even a Party member before WWII. Further, to those attempting to make the specious stand for the concrete, there is no evidence that he instructed Barack Obama in communist ideology. Frank Marshall Davis did NOT believe in overthrowing the USA. He was committed to what the nation professed to be. For him, communism was primarily an intellectual vehicle to achieve a political end-a possible tool for gaining the constitutional freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for ALL Americans." (See http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/Kaleokualoha)
Posted by: Kaleokualoha at September 30, 2008 11:41 AM
so kaleokualoha,
you would use a partner of Davis to say that davis isnt a communist? Davis and Tidwell are freinds, and they collaborated together (see black moods).
meanwhile, you are splitting hairs...
read that paragraph... so what if he isnt a stalinist? maybe he is a maoist, a sandinista, sendero luminoso, castro, or a trotsyite...
as if the only bad communism is stalinist. duh.
and saying he wasnt even a party member before WWII implies that he WAS A PARTY MEMBER AFTER WWII.
as far as believing in the overthrow of the united states.. thats a goal of communism itself. there is no goal of communism for a peaceful coexistence since day one.
their definitino of peace, as they say it is "a world in which there is no opposition to socialism". so until the everywhere is one totalitarian state of communism, there is no peace and there never will be. so says the leaders of the organization he joined as a willing member.
For him, communism was primarily an intellectual vehicle to achieve a political end-a possible tool for gaining the constitutional freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for ALL Americans
and this is ridiculous unless your a vacuous ignorant idiot.
this is like saying that he joined the nazi party to bring peace and joy to the jewish people fo the german state.
how can assisting in the creation of a caucasian/asian totalitarian state in america help people to gain constitutional freedoms?
would the constitition exist if there was such a state? of course not... so what constitutional freedoms are they talking about?
its an empty platitudinous line that is supposed to make you feel that his goal was the noble joining of a totalitarian regiem that murdered through starvation and torture and rape, over 100 million people and is not remorseful for it...
meanwhile, persuit of happiness is a euphamism for capitliasm... so how woul communism allow for the persuot of capitalism?
meanwhile... you haev been exposed before..
"On one side of this debate is somebody claiming to be the son of Davis."
In a dossier posted on the America’s Survival blog Herbert Romerstein, a former US government security investigator, records how Moscow micromanaged the CPUSA. In 1935, Moscow instructed it to establish a CP apparatus in Hawaii to develop a mass revolutionary movement there and promote the withdrawal from its territory of US forces – at that time essential for the defence of the US. This Hawaii CP network was perceived by government bodies to be a major threat to US national security.
now whats interesting, and will be more interesting is that the archives have been opeened.
got that?
What this seemed to mean in practice in Hawaii was an attempt to suborn the cause of black people’s rights to the cause of Communism. Romerstein recounts how Davis tried to convert the National Association for the Advancement of Color People, which tried to fight off what it perceived as infiltration by Communists who it believed betrayed the cause of black people’s rights, into a Stalinist front.
its not like there is only one rumour source for the information you dont like. there is a lot...
the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee issued a report in 1956 declaring:
‘Founded in September 1919, the Communist Party of the United States of America is an organization unique in American history. It is not a true political party and differs fundamentally from all political parties in this country. It is in fact a Russian-inspired, Moscow-dominated, anti-American, quasi-military conspiracy against our Government, our ideals, and our freedoms.’ In 1982 testimony, FBI assistant director for intelligence Edward J. O’Malley testified that the CPUSA has been ‘one of the most loyal and pro-Soviet Communist Parties in the world and has unfalteringly accepted Soviet direction and funding over the years.’ The recent book, Comrade J, based on interviews with a Russian spymaster at the United Nations, documents that Soviet intelligence operations against the U.S. continued even as the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia emerged in its place.
the venona transcrips
the archives of mitrokhen
Comrad J (Tretyakov)
The complete archives of the CPUSA located at NYU...
and other sources not common to MSM...
have you read the poetry that tidwell assembles in the book?
red army
“Show the marveling multitudes
Americans, British, all your allied brothers
How strong you are
How great you are
How your young tree of new unity
Planted twenty-five years ago
Bears today the golden fruit of victory!”
Davis testified in 1956 before the SISS and took the Fifth Amendment on his Communist Party membership.
The House Committee on Un-American Activities (HCUA) took testimony in 1950 from a member of the Honolulu branch of the NAACP, Edward Berman, who said that Davis had showed up to “propagandize” its membership about alleged “racial problems.” Berman referred to “Comrade Davis” as someone who “sneaked” into the NAACP meetings “with the avowed intent and purpose of converting it into a front for the Stalinist line.”
Tidwell says that Davis “felt betrayed” when Soviet dictator Stalin signed the 1939 nonaggression pact with Nazi Germany, which triggered World War II, but that Stalin’s eventual decision to join the U.S. and its allies in a war on the Axis powers “restored a measure of Davis’ confidence in the USSR.”
tidwell was is lying because we didnt know about the agression pact till later... the CPUSA was twisted about and wipsawed on that one.
the pact was signed in 39... the west didnt know about it till later... the stalinist story was that stalin was killing for time, but if you know yuor istory, this is a big falsehood. (stalin was helping train nazi troops).
The evidence of Soviet intentions was clear in the activities of
Moscow-directed Communist parties throughout the world. French Commu-
nists made common cause with French Nazis during the pact period and
did their best to sabotage the war effort. In the United States, CIO
unions called strikes in defense plants supplying the Western Allies.
The slogan of these unions and of the CPUSA was, "The Yanks Aren't
Coming" changed to "The Yanks Aren't Coming Too Late" when the
Soviet Union was invaded.
so tidwell is an apologist... he is willing to revision (stalinize) history to make his false point or prove a false situation.
while davis would know about the non agression part, the part he would not have known about till CPUSA informed him when they changed direction, was the SECRET PROTOCOL.
it wasnt till 1941 that things changed...
The secret protocol held an agreement between the Nazis and Soviets that greatly affected Eastern Europe. For the Soviets for agreeing to not join the possible future war, Germany was giving the Soviets the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania). Poland was also to be divided between the two - along the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers.
The new territories gave the Soviet Union the buffer (in land) that it wanted to feel safe from an invasion from the West. It would need that buffer in 1941.
revisionism... is stalinism..
just as he invented normalization..
Posted by: Artfldgr at September 30, 2008 1:12 PM
anothe example of tidwells false facts..
(makig him just another communist shill looking after a communist shill of some note)
tidwell says that davis moved to hawaii in 1948 to avoid mcarthy...
however, siss and hcua had nothing to do with mccarthy... mcarthy didnt arrive on the scene with his shtick till 1950... two years later.
kind of like obama being conceived years after his birth, in selma... (in fact thats why he doesnt know when conception starts. he was born one year, and conceived later)
“It is hard for most people to imagine the influence that even a relatively small number of dedicated people can have, but the CPUSA exerted significant power in its heyday—a heyday, be it remembered, in which the Soviet Union impressed many people as the wave of the future, destined to overwhelm a weak and fading West, including the United States.” William Rusher
A transcript of a 1956 hearing before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee discovered by internal security affairs researcher and writer Max Friedman showed Davis took the Fifth Amendment when asked by the subcommittee if he was or had ever been a member of the Communist Party.
the SDS organization from which the Weather Underground organization and radicals Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dorhn came, received financial contributions from the CPUSA, which in turn receive its funding from Moscow.
[after a while they no longer needed to be funded by moscow, there were enough useful idiots in america and cryptocommunists and socialism to slide money to such and not need the dangerous connection back home. this kind of thought can be seen in dohrns work, as they were robbing brinks trucks to find the blacn national socialists to help start a race war... or so they said]
Obama's victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle," Chapman wrote. "Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface.
This struggle must be organised, according to “all the rules of the art”, by people who are professionally engaged in revolutionary activity. The fact that the masses are spontaneously being drawn into the movement does not make the organisation of this struggle less necessary. On the contrary, it makes it more necessary.
yes we are DRAWN into it by professionals like DAVIS..
if he is your father... i am sorry...
however, he is not you, and you are not him, changing his history will change nothing in reality. he still would have done the things he did, and assisted those he did, and spread the posion of communism...
no amount of scrubbing and stalinism will wipe that off..
your a red diaper baby... we dont choose our parents, but we do choose our directions..
Posted by: Artfldgr at September 30, 2008 1:25 PM
This is interesting and people here should take note that this is one of the only threads where I have seen so many Libs start getting themselves in a titter.
Normally, there aren't many here at all. That this one brought a couple out of the woodwork, (Frank Marchall Davis son? Puhleezz) is very telling. They do not want people to see this stuff.
Artfldgr; that's some great research and interesting stuff but, you know as well as I do, it never matters. Lefties are lefties and, as I pointed out above - hat tip to the video - you can not make them see reason.
Private schools with real, unbiased education, and more right-wingers in entertainment.
We are the change we need.
Posted by: The Him at September 30, 2008 4:41 PM
"The part that makes Seth MacFarlane a real moonbat is that he was supposed to be on one of the hijacked 9-11 planes but he missed his flight.
A more mature, intelligent person might have derived some insight from that."
Wow, I didn't know that. Good point. A more mature, intelligent person also probably wouldn't have his show make a character who is a serial rapist look cool and funny (Quagmire on 'Family Guy').
Posted by: Adam at September 30, 2008 5:07 PM
FYI: Even Cliff Kincaid, from Accuracy In Media (AIM), cites Tidwell as an EXPERT in the life of Frank Marshall Davis in his original "Obama's Communist Mentor" post.
"Berman referred to “Comrade Davis” as someone who “sneaked” into the NAACP meetings “with the avowed intent and purpose of converting it into a front for the Stalinist line” is one of four false AIM versions of Berman's Congressional testimony available at http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/hawaii-obama.pdf.
AIM misrepresents the Congressional testimony of Edward Berman by falsely accusing my father of (a) sneaking into a NAACP meeting to convert it into a "front for the Stalinist line" ("Obama's Red Mentor Praised Red Army"); (b) trying to take over multiple meetings of the Honolulu NAACP ("Obama Plays Reagan In Berlin, Al-Jazeera Journalist Funds Campaign"); (c) trying to take over not the Honolulu Branch, but the NAACP itself ("AP Lies About Obama's Red Mentor"); and (d) being directly criticized by the NAACP's Roy Wilkins ("Return of the Dupes and the Anti-Anti-Communists").
If you read the Congressional testimony, Berman states Davis "suddenly appeared on the scene to propagandize the membership about our ‘racial problems’ in Hawaii." He does not accuse Davis of trying to take over or convert the NAACP. A complete analysis of these AIM falsehoods is documented at http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Kaleokualoha/gG5kN7
Posted by: Kaleokualoha at September 30, 2008 8:01 PM
BTW: The WSJ reviews a book that may provide a more accurate assessment of the Davis-Obama relationship than that provided by the right-wing blogosphere: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/barack-obamas-core-values-stem/story.aspx?guid=%7BF893C019-F9C5-47EA-BA6C-F49F165B9FD2%7D&dist=hppr
Posted by: Kaleokualoha at September 30, 2008 8:57 PM
i think you dont understand..
i dont read the right wing blogosphere... i read historicals, and laws, and actual sources...
so telling me to go someplace to get my facts from one poisoned well will nto work
I also know a lot more than just this isolated thing. so i can connect lots more dots across a large landscape.
basically what your claiming is a wonderful peaceful person, like obama, just happens to have nothing of that kind of freind! that such a good person woudl assocaite cosntantly with such negative people.
kaleokualoha... you have never lived in a soviet style state. my family died in such astate.
what happened was not propaganda of the right political sphere.
in fact, the idea of right wing and left wing is a socialist concept from the french revoltuino.
not an american thing at all, and i am american, so i am not left wing or right wing. i never stood on either side of the seine... i never came from the wrong side of the tracks either.
forget salvaging the reputaion of a man whose reputation is not worth saving. you are going to ruin your life doing so.
unless your the shill that people right about that is wandering aruodn claiming to be davis kid and isnt.
you would do better cutting your own reputaiton in this world, rather than waste your life on someone who tricked you too.
i guess you never really thought that your father may have been dishonest to you.
spies and people that work for such agencies do not tell their families what they do. there are plenty of historical tracts where the children were even used as patsies by the parent who was operating.
shall i list out names of people who were lied to as children by parents who were operatives?
you seem to think or at least spread the idea that because your a family member, you know the truth.
in international plitics of the soviet communist style, that horse just wont fly.
These spies are known as "illegals" or "sleepers"--highly trained intelligence officers posted abroad to live illegally, that is, without the legal cover of an embassy or other government entity that would give them diplomatic immunity in case of arrest. Illegals seldom report to "legal" intelligence officers at their respective embassies, communicating instead by covert means to their control officers in Moscow. They are among Russia's most expensive and long-term espionage assets, going to extreme lengths to spy on their target countries, even if it means burrowing in for years and raising their Western-born children as next-generation spies.
many didnt raise their kids to be anything...
it was and is well known that moscow talked to their illegals through the CPUSA... and your "dad" got his orders through there. including the order that tidwell comments on to leave the continent and go to hawaii... where a job at a knwon front paper was ready for him.
funny how that works.
They develop "legends." Cadre illegals assume false identities called legends. Some, like the New York photographer, pose as immigrants. Others assume the identities of native-born citizens. The Olshanskys are a textbook case of the latter. Using the birth certificates of Ian Mackenzie Lambert, who died at 12 weeks of age in 1966, and Laurie Catherine Mary Brodie, who died just before her first birthday in 1965, the Olshanskys obtained driver's licenses and other personal identification and prepared to lead quiet lives as ordinary Canadians in unobtrusive jobs that would not attract attention of the authorities. In this way they would build their legends and acquire Canadian passports.
However, the CSIS tells Insight they had learned in advance that "a legend had been prepared for a future Directorate S operation based on the biodata" of the two deceased children and were on the lookout for adults bearing those names. CSIS monitored the Olshanskys and the authorities arrested them in May 1996. In court proceedings against the Olshanskys the CSIS said it "confirmed that the persons alleging to be the Lamberts have established their legend and continue to communicate and meet with Directorate S officials. The illegals couple also has traveled back to [SVR] Center on at least one occasion. Over the course of our investigation of this couple, the Service has confirmed their operational methodology, tradecraft and clandestine intelligence techniques."
and these people work on people like your dad. they head organizations, and fronts... and your dad beign an american circulated through all these areas.. and VERY close to the leaders..
he wasnt a useful idiot, he was a fellow traveler.
all ya have to do is see the trail from one place to another can be linked through these groups, and that his behavior changed based on CPUSA policy (including the hitler stalin pact!)
They recruit agents in place. Illegals seldom insert themselves in sensitive posts of target governments. "You don't want to get the whole American security apparatus against your illegals" says a U.S. counterintelligence official. "There is too high a chance of wasting the asset. Very few illegals can survive the security process, remain in place, communicate with the center and be dependable over the long term."
Instead, an illegal remains on the outside of the system and recruits or services agents within, known as moles. Sources in the FBI have told Insight that some agents believe that the KGB recruited CIA official Aldrich Ames through his Colombian-born wife, who may have been a Soviet illegal, though the connection was never proved. A recent case illustrates the importance of illegals in recruitment of moles in the U.S. government. In 1993, while routinely monitoring Cuban intelligence officers at the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, the FBI discovered that a member of President Clinton's White House transition team may have been recruited as a spy for Fidel Castro.
As Insight first reported (see "Do You Want to Know a Secret" March 23, 1998), the FBI learned that Carmen Marl Aponte, an attorney and friend of first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, was living with a man believed to be a Cuban agent who introduced her to Cuban intelligence officers at the interests section. He allegedly gave her a "loan" believed to have come from the Cuban secret service -- a loan Aponte never repaid. When questioned by the FBI in 1994, Aponte refused to take a polygraph test.
as i said.. they are organizers, and recruiters, and they coordinate things.. they pass on strategy, and those that work with them, get a kind of free ride and adventure (just read the UK lady that changed sides).
obama is a red diaper baby... he is raised to naturally have the view points. the way a christian fanatic can make their child the same way. his whole life was one big fest of exposure to the 'right minds'.
anyway... davis was a differetn beast... he wasnt born into it. he went voluntarily by choice through his own reason, something obama probably never had.
will you explain the conections to all these subversiv people? was it some bizarre sexual fetish frank had?
and as far as your book... it assumes that americans have little knowlege of the other places obama grew up in and how emersive they are.
you see kaleo... my wife is indonesian. i have been there, and not to tourist areas, but inside, deep inside with the people. i know its hard to sleep late there because islam is so dominant that the first prayers are loudspeakered all over. and i know the school system there too, and the differences between the schools that some attend.
your proofs suck... they dont go to a cogent end, they amke unjustified claims, and they dont give links to the actual inforamtino.
why dont you link to bermans complete testimony?
lets read the whole thing for ourselves?
well, i took way too much time out of my life to looik it up...
COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIYES / APRIL 17, 18, AND 19, 1950 testimony of edward berman / 2065
TESTIMONY OF EDWARD BERMAN -
2066 COMMUNIST ACTIVITIES IN HAWAII
the thing is that he never mentions davis at all!
not one word... you would think that your refutation might point to a link to the testimony and show this. nope.
however, the testimony talks about some people, who you can identify later... which is how these references were made. .
At the meeting where I was invited to attend, where I joined, I was invited to see if something could be done to neutralize the group that entered into the organization, who had practically taken it over.
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that they were
trying to propagandize the organization, this small element there, that there was need for a bill here to eliminate racial discrimination, and were trying to create the impression within the organization that racial discrimination was very, very wide in these islands.
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Arnold Wills, of the National Labor Relations Board, and I remember specifically was trying to show that no evidence had been produced by this other element that there was rank discrimination against races in these islands and until such evidence could be produced before the legislature itself, it would be almost hopeless to get such a bill enacted. This element argued that regardless of whether there was any evidence of discrimination or not
I recall in this meeting, a bill like this should be forced through the legislature so that if any discrimination should develop here they would have an ax that they could chop someone's head off with, and so forth. Finally, as a result of this fight and conflict between what I would call the left-wing and right-wing groups of HACU, Hawaiian Association for Civic Unity, the organization just collapsed.
AFTER That collapse he then became associated with the NAACP...
that the same elements who had once controlled HACU had moved into the NAACP, and she mentioned the Reineckes and the Fujimotos and a few others. I went out there to the first NAACP meeting, and I found that the same group that had been in the HACU meeting had now moved over to the colored people out there at CHA 3, out there at Pearl City, and had practically taken over that organization and were using that as a springboard for putting over an FEPC bill among the colored people who are working in the Government service.
so far the gist of the quotes are correct, if they are paraphrased...
groups were trying to bring in people
to offset each other.
so basically you had a organization working for helping blacs that was republican... and davis and friends went in there with nimbers to cahnge the lay out of the voters... in this way, they could take over the organization, put their own new person in place, and then control this organization since they failed taking over the other one and caused its collapse.
so your not right kaleokualoa
after this point there are pages and pages of memoes and people being cross identifies. since the text is from a stenographer machine its harder to read the names.. deposit slips, records of donations, etc. canceled checks..
[yes i am looking at the stenographic record, not the retype]
after that bermans testimony ends...
so berman did testify the facts... but it took others to identify the names of the people that were there from other things.
Posted by: Artfldgr at October 1, 2008 9:04 AM
Dodger, you are THE man. I fear, however, it's like crying in the wilderness: your cries will fall on deaf ears. But... here's hoping.
Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 1, 2008 9:20 AM
ok... now onto another thing...
lets put testimony that was directly toward frank... dont read this K...
Committee on Un-American Activities, U. S. House of Representatives
REPORT ON THE HONOLULU RECORD
you know, the paper that is a front that allowed subversives a means to a living and ability to move to accomplish goals.
lets see this testimony...
LocAi. Writers for the Record
Many of the persons in the Territory of Hawaii who write articles for the Honolulu Record have significant records of activity in the Communist Party or its front organizations.
they then give a list of authors, and detail their connections. Mr. Oka, Stephen Murin, John Reinecke, Robert Greene, and Frank Marshall Davh^
Mr. Oka was identified as a Communist Party
member by two former Communists / Mr. Oka refused to affirm or deny his Communist associations on the ground of self-incrimination.
Mr. Murin was identified as an active Com-
munist Party member by Matthew Cvetic, an FBI undercover agent v/ithin the Communist Party
im sorry... do you think that all testimony and such came from turn coat friends?
John Reinecke, identified as treasurer of the central committee of the Communist Party in Hawaii and as a member of the party's Territorial executive board. Four former Communists outlined Mr. Reinecke's leading role in Communist activities... Prior to the subcommittee hearings,
Mr. Reinecke had been dismissed from a teaching position in the Territory on the basis of his subversive affiliations.
Robert Greene^ who not only wrote for the Honolulu Record but also served as city editor of the publication in 1948.Mr. Greene has served as chairman of the Hawaii Civil Liberties
Committee, as radio script writer for the Communist-controlled International Longshoremen's and Warehousemen's Union, and as vice
president of a Communist effort known as the Unemployed Workers Organization. Mr. Greene transferred his residence from Hawaii to
the mainland in February 1950.
and drum roll... DAVIS...
Frank Marshall Davh^ author of a regular weekly column in the Honolulu Record entitled "Frankly Speaking." Mr. Davis' column defends Communists and attacks capitalism with the same vigor as columns appearing regularly in the Daily Worker and other frankly Communist publications. Typical of Mr. Davis' remarks are the
following :
Democracy today lies weak and slowly dying from the poison administered by the divident doctors in Washington and Wall Street who have fooled a trusting public into believiag that they are the specialists who would save us from the dread diseases of socialism and communism * ♦ * They hope to hand us fascism disguised as the healed democracy (Honolulu Record, July 28, 1949, p. 8).
gues he is following stalins mandate to make fascism appear to the right of socialism... you didnt know that? that claiming the right to be fascist when the fascists are socialists is called STALINISM... and its how you know that the person saying such is a STALINIST since they are promoting stalins FALSE position on the matter.
i dont have time to teach you a lot of history, so your going to have to go uot there and slog... unless you want to pay me a lot.
Mr. Davis constantly defended the 11 top United States Communist officials recently convicted in New York on charges of conspiracy to advocate the overthrow of the Government by force and violence. One of Mr. Davis' comments on the case was as follows :
I feel strong sympathy for the Communist minority who are being oppressed for their political beliefs (Honolulu Record, October 20, 1949, p. 6).
When Mr. Davis' column first appeared in the Record in May 1949, the Record boastd that the author was a member of the national executive board of the Civil Rights Congress. The organization is cited as Communist by Attorney General Tom Clark as well as by the Committee on Un-American Activities. Mr. Davis has signed a number of statements in behalf of Communists under the sponsorship of the Civil Rights Congress; one of these defended was Gerhart Eisler, notorious Communist international agent who escaped jailing for passport fraud by fleeing to the Soviet sector of Germany.
Other front organizations of the Communist Party with which Mr. Davis has associated include : American Youth for Democracy, Abraham Lincoln School, National Federation for Constitutional Liberties, League of American Writers, the National Negro Congress, and the Hawaii Civil Liberties Committee.
they have papers SIGNED by him... let me guess. everythign is a forgery too.
there is more in other testimony... and if you track associations and such, you get a VERY CLEAR PICTURE that he was so deep in the crap.
why else have all these others sattelite around you, why always working for a subversive organiztion. why move when they tell you to...
the point is that the case against frank marshall wright is not boiled down to a couple of paraphrased statements.
its a lifetime of connections, movemetns, associatinons, finances, and such, with much of it exposed in the reams of huac testimony.
birds of a feather flock together, and most people find the desires of the soviet communists to be abhorrent...
but frank loved these people, he had amost no other type of friend or associate!!!
CIVIL RIGHTS CONGRESS AS A
COMMUNIST FRONT ORGANIZATION
Union Calendar No. 575
House Report No. 1115
Beginning on page 40 is a list of contributions and expenditures of the Civil Rights Congress and its New York bi'anch, as submitted to the Clerk of the House of Representatives in accordance with the Lobbying Act. These figures show the enormous financial income which this organization defending the Communist Party and its fficials, whose activities are clearly directed against the interests of the United States, has been able to accumulate. In some cases this income has been drawn from sources franldy in sympathy with the Communist Party such as the International Fur and Leather Workers Union (CIO), the United Electrical, Radio, and Machine Workers of America (CIO), the Communist Party of the United States, George Marshall, Dashiell Hammett, Louise Bransten, Lement Harris, Paul Crosbie, and others. In some cases they have been secured on the basis of a spurious appeal in behalf of civil liberty. The report will further show the maintenance of a huge legal and administrative staff including persons with known Communist records.
' Pamphlet, Eisler Hits Back, issued by the German-American, Inc., December 11, 1946, p. 16.
We therefore call upon Congress to abolish this most un-American committee, urge President Truman to effect immediate release of Gerhart Eisler, permitting him to return to his homeland.
then there is a list of names that follows that reads like a whos who of communism...
D. W. Chapman, president, Montana Farmers Union
Dr. Nick Comfort, dean, Oklahoma School of Religion
Frank Marshall Davis, executive editor, Associated Negro Press
Earl B. Dickerson, president, National Bar Association
Dr. W. E. B. DuBois
Prof. Balph H. Gundlack, University of Washington
Dashiell Hammett
Dorothy Parker
Arthur Miller
all this and more is in the 21 year index.
Davis, Frank Marshall S 2518,
2519, 2638, 2681, 2697, 2698, 2700, 2706, 2711, 2714, 2717, 2782, 2783, 2801, 2864, 2865; U 237; v 39
by the way.. i would never have bothered to go through the record if you werent the way you are.
now there are threads to even more information if you want...
though the fun part was this little thing on lattimore, the man that coined the term mccarthism..
If Lattimore is a "master spy," the Saturday Evening Post is a voice of Moscow, General Marshall a traitor, and Elmer Davis a rascal.
turns out lattimore was outed as a master spy years later thanks to venona...
i dont have the time... but obviously you do... now you just have to build a record. write out who was in the same room and who attended meetings, and where did people travel..
thats how you know...
if a man goes to a brothel every night, only you would claim that he was a saint who happened to be there...
Frank marshall davis didnt happen by accident to be associeated with all these things over many many years, with his signatures, and so forth.
i am done with this subject.
Posted by: Artfldgr at October 1, 2008 9:47 AM
and who is this Gerhart Eisler that frank was fighting for?
Gerhard Eisler (born February 20, 1897 - March 21, 1968 in Leipzig) was a German politician. Along with his sister Ruth Fischer, he was a prominent member of the Communist Party of Germany during the Weimar Republic. His brother was leftist composer Hanns Eisler. He was once married to Hede Massing, who testified against Alger Hiss in his second trial. [1]
again... they all hang out together..
meahwhile... and pay CLOSE attention here.
there are opened archives that are being released as recent as THIS YEAR, that expand what we know about that time.
if you rely on huac only, and mcarthy trials, lattimore is not a spy... if you read the venona transcripts, and other archive releases, you find out that he WAS a spy!!! and very well connected
A March 4, 2008 release of files from the UK National Archives included information about Gerhart Eisler . The MI5 summary states:
"Eisler, who was supposed by many to be the covert leader and director of the Communist Party in America during and after the Second World War, became the centre of a diplomatic incident in 1949 when, having stowed away on a Polish ship out of New York, he was forcibly removed and arrested in Southampton. This file documents the Security Service's involvement in the case. The earliest traces of Eisler in the file (KV 2/2773, 1936-1949) date from 1936, when Comintern efforts to secure a false American passport in the name of Edwards were reported. In 1947 information obtained from Eisler's former wife, Hedwiga Messing, suggested that Eisler had used this cover name in New York in 1934."
so lets see.. one semi covert member of the CPUSA fighting to save the life of a captured covert foreign leader of the CPUSA... (the CPUSA being a stalinist organization, and having now admitted all this stuff!!!)
heck... you can read connections between eisler his brother and the reckerfeller foundation!!
you have to go through things sir... but the more you dig in this case, the more damning evidence you find.
http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/arc/findingaids/eisler/index.html
care to go through this and see if he could be connecting people through him that otherwise cant be connected?
so you can connect frank with eisler and eisler to his brother, and from their to tons of things.
and the lists become top heavy with known communists.
charles seeger... pete went to the highlander school.. along with martin luthor king and rosa parks... highlander was shut down for subversion and communist activities. seems people connected with running it were buying houses in white neighborhoods inthe south, and moving blacks into them. howeve, when the people werent racist enough, they lynched the blacks, and bombed the houses, and such.
just like the crew in hawaii who wanted to pass laws for discrimination that didnt exist, because civil rights can divide the natino (worked real well hasnt it?).
many of the lynchings and stuff in the south was the subversive actions of communists starting the whole thing off... they were CAUGHT DOING IT...
in this way, the communsits CREATE HISTORY, not react to it..
invariably, the more you try to disprove it, the more proof will appear...
Posted by: Artfldgr at October 1, 2008 11:21 AM
YOU WROTE: "why dont you link to bermans complete testimony? lets read the whole thing for ourselves?" "the thing is that he never mentions davis at all! not one word... you would think that your refutation might point to a link to the testimony and show this. nope."
RESPONSE: I did link to Berman's testimony on September 30, at 8:01 PM: http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/hawaii-obama.pdf. Berman's complete testimony is in Exhibit 4A. Berman mentions Davis on page 2067.
If you read THIS Congressional testimony, Berman states Davis "suddenly appeared on the scene to propagandize the membership about our ‘racial problems’ in Hawaii." Berman says that Davis was supported by OTHERS who had tried to turn the NAACP into a Stalinist front. Berman did not say that DAVIS tried to turn the NAACP into a Stalinist front. That lie came from Accuracy In Media!
Posted by: Kaleokualoha at October 1, 2008 11:29 AM
Give it up, you cant save the damned who are already dead...
Posted by: Artfldgr at October 6, 2008 11:40 AM
I'm not trying to save the "damned who are already dead." My mission is to expose the body of lies fabricated by Cliff Kincaid's Accuracy In Media in their disinformation campaign designed to misrepresent the Davis-Obama relationship. I challenge anyone to deny the misrepresentation I have documented.
Posted by: Kaleokualoha at October 7, 2008 10:20 PM

