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August 12, 2008

Tide Turning on Global Warming Hoax

The mainstream media is finding out that when it comes to the global warming hoax, you can't fool all of the people all of the time:

According to a survey [PDF] from ABC News, Planet Green and Stanford University, fewer than half — 47 percent — of Americans consider global warming an important issue to them personally, down from 52 percent in April 2007. Although a vast majority still think the planet is warming — 8 in 10 respondents — that figure is also down from last year, having dropped 4 percentage points. Furthermore, in an open-ended question, the number of respondents who called global warming the biggest environmental challenge facing the world fell 8 points from 2007 and currently hovers at 25 percent.

This despite years of the media screaming hysterically that we're all doomed if we don't submit to totalitarianism in the name of global warming.

When the media figures out that their audience is wandering away, they will switch to a new crisis, and global warming will go on the ash heap with Y2K and killer bees — hopefully before authoritarian bureaucrats engineer a depression in the process of exploiting it.

On a tip from Charles.

Posted by Van Helsing at August 12, 2008 11:22 AM


global warming will go on the ash heap with Y2K and killer bees

... and nuclear winter

... and catastrophic overpopulation*

... and global cooling

... and the bird-flu pandemic

... and the heterosexual AIDS pandemic

(BTW, hasn't the "Killer bee catastrophe" been replaced with the new "Bee Extinction catastrophe?")

* When the people who claim that "urban sprawl is out of control" are the same people who support unlimited illegal immigration into this country... I tend to doubt their sincerity on the overpopulation issue.

Posted by: V the K at August 12, 2008 11:31 AM

"Urban sprawl" is "out of control" in many places because of bureaucratic meddling. Zoning, local ordinances, and building requirements/limits have pushed up the prices of real estate in established areas to the point that it is way cheaper and less restrictive to move out to the sticks. The limits and lengthy approval processes have restricted the supply of available lots and/or building permits so much that the ones that exist shoot up in value. I read somewhere that Boston has stopped granting new liquor licenses - the only way to get one now is to buy one from a current licensee. The value of a liquor license in Boston right now is well into 6-figures because the gov't has artificially restricted the supply. Same problem, different item.

BTW, "urban sprawl" is big-gov't-ese for "people that actually want more than a 1/6 acre lot where they can build whatever they damn well please," which predictably pisses them off no end. They want people living stacked on top of each other like cord-wood in centrall-planned high-rise communities, taking light-rail to the organic locally-grown halal food store. After all, that's the best and most efficient way to live. Well sure, they live in a big house in an affluent suburb, but everyone else should live crammed together.

Filthy statists. Bleeding heart meddling busybodies. Hypocritical worms. A pox on the lot of them!

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at August 12, 2008 1:11 PM

Not only is this a turning point, but it is the dawn of the internet media age.

I'd bet thousands that 20 years ago they would have gone all the way and we'd have universal carbon limits. People finally have alternative sources of information and they are apparently more powerful than ever before.

Posted by: Mick at August 12, 2008 1:36 PM

Global climate models invoke positive feedback from water vapor. This causes the GCMs to predict significant ‘enhanced global warming’. Anyone who has the ability and interest to look at the NOAA data from Vostok Ice Cores for the last glaciation (and prior glaciations) will discover that, repeatedly, a temperature increasing trend changed to a decreasing trend with the carbon dioxide level higher than it had been when the temperature was increasing. Graphs of NOAA and other credible data, all fully sourced so they can be verified, can be seen at Those who understand how feedback works will know that this trend reversal is not possible with significant positive feedback. Thus, contrary to the assumption in the GCMs, significant positive feedback from water vapor does not exist.

The infrared radiation that is absorbed by greenhouse gas molecules is immediately shared with the thousands of times more numerous nitrogen and oxygen molecules. That is what makes the air feel warm. The absorbed energy is then primarily carried up by atmospheric convection currents. This mechanism is well understood by scientists that are knowledgeable in optical spectroscopy. The process is not yet adequately accounted for in the GCMs. These faulty GCMs are the ONLY predictors of significant anthropogenic global warming. Climate history refutes anthropogenic global warming.

The multi-billion dollar government grants for ‘climate research’ depend for their continuation on ominous prediction of looming catastrophe. A lot of people have been hoodwinked by this self-serving rhetoric. Many are eager to impose their will on others. Some are positioned to profit from it. An entire industry has evolved that exploits the fear of anthropogenic global warming.

None of the GCMs predicted the recent downturn in average global temperature coincident with the steadily rising carbon dioxide level. As the carbon dioxide level continues to increase and the average global temperature doesn’t, a whole lot of people are looking more and more foolish.

The so-called consensus is primarily climatologists who stand to benefit from dire predictions and their followers. Over 31,000 qualified scientists and engineers have signed a document stating that human activity has had no significant influence on climate. Compare this to the 2,500 scientific reviewers claimed by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to form a scientific consensus.

No one can be sure where the average global temperature will go from here. According to Vostok ice core data it has been warmer than now four other times during the Holocene (the last 11,000 or so years) so eventual further rise is not out of the question. However, the change in pattern since 2001, the recent downtrend, and continued quiet sun are all indicating that the planet is in for a continuation of the cooling trend. The huge heat sink of the oceans will cause the cooling to be gradual, as was the warming.

Posted by: Dan Pangburn at August 12, 2008 2:51 PM

And just today two reports surfaced on the claiming that shell fish (clams, etc.) were going to ruin the eco-systems of the Atlantic and Pacific because of all the melting polar ice (the shellfish are assumed to be migrating elsewher), the OTHER report stating that the summer ice pack was up 40% from last year.

But I guess that just shows it's "Global Climate Catastrophe Chaos" in action. Oh, the humanity...

Posted by: matt at August 12, 2008 3:16 PM

Two observations. First, CO2 only has two IR active normal modes. Each (but especially the higher energy one) is pretty sharp, and therefore only absorbs a small proporation of the IR frequency range.

Second, a more general observation urging humility on those making climatological calculations. Recently what had been reported as a future near miss by an asteroid was later found to be off by millions of miles (literally) when it turned out the calculations neglected to include some term.

Now if that sort of mistake can be made with something as nailed down as Newtonian mechanics, how likely is it that flaky climatological models don't contain even worse oversights?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2008 3:55 PM

But Jay...don't you understand? There is a CONSENSUS! The debate is OVER! The left FEELS it and WANTS IT TO BE TRUE, so therefore it IS. It's a CRISIS and a CATASTROPHE.

Jeez, at least get your, I mean "feelings"...straight!

Posted by: matt at August 12, 2008 5:14 PM

What's surprising is the #'s holding up as well as they have - after all, 1/2 are concerned about warming and 80 % believe warming is actually occurring. Those #'s should both be in single-digits and converging on zero. There's a lot more work to be done, in helping naive statists to get over their stupid global warming fetishes.

Posted by: mega at August 12, 2008 6:20 PM

Here's a graph of satellite temperature data from when they started measuring global temperatures about thirty years ago:

The four zones are the tropics, southern hemisphere, northern hemisphere, and overall. I believe the zero line is the average for the whole period.

How anyone can look at this data and say with a straight face that we have catastrophic runaway global warming happening is beyond me. The final data point (June, 2008) is actually below the zero line. For the southern hemisphere, it's nearly a quarter of a degree lower!

But then, AGW proponents don't look at the data. They just regurgitate whatever they are spoonfed by the (scientifically illiterate) mainstream media and other leftist sources.

Posted by: ent at August 12, 2008 7:53 PM

Everybody knows the world will end on December 26, 2012.

4 years, 4 months, 14 days from now.

That there is some accurate weather reporting.

For some reason my calendar doesn't go beyond that date - but I've got it marked: PART-EEE!

Posted by: Jimbo at August 12, 2008 8:22 PM

Or maybe that's 12-21-2012.

Whatever. My party will be on the 26th. :-)

Posted by: Jimbo at August 12, 2008 8:27 PM


Isn't 12212021 the Algorithmic Language for "you're screwed"?????

Man! Maybe Algore(ithim) DID invent the internet!

Posted by: Jimbo at August 12, 2008 8:36 PM

To anyone out there that thinks our planet can remain host to an ever increasing human population - have you ever tried putting too many goldfish into an aquarium? What happens? Does their environment change?

Wake up to the facts that the Earth is a CLOSED system - some think its carrying capacity has already been far exceeded.


Posted by: John Arena at August 12, 2008 10:46 PM

Starve the liberals = reduce pressure on the closed loop earth system.

The more liberals that eat just fruits and nuts, the more beef there is for me. 0 sum gain.

Problem solved. Your welcome John. You can rest easy now.

Posted by: Oiao at August 12, 2008 11:40 PM

Dan Pangburn:


Posted by: DocC at August 13, 2008 6:13 AM

the Earth is a CLOSED system - some think its carrying capacity has already been far exceeded.

When the people who go around spouting that actually start to off themselves, en masse, then I might consider their point.

But as long as Al Gore, Arianna Huffington, and Nancy Pelosi are living in gigantic homes, riding in caravans of giant SUVs, and flying around on private jets... well, if they aren't taking climate change personally, why should I?

Posted by: V the K at August 13, 2008 7:15 AM

have you ever tried putting too many goldfish into an aquarium? What happens?

The goldfish form a big noisy debate club, and argue with each other about how they should change things, make each other feel guilty for the lack of resources or the overabundance of fish, attempt to transfer food from the strong goldfish to the weak to assuange the guilt, and blame everything from the tank size to the water to the unfair distribution of algee... just prior to the actual environmental constraints sorting everything out and leaving the goldfish who work for and aquire the limited food to carry on for another generation, with the rest belly-up at the top of the tank.

Posted by: mega at August 13, 2008 8:43 AM

87.63% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Posted by: JamesJ at August 13, 2008 9:12 AM

mega - sounds like a plan.

Posted by: V the K at August 13, 2008 9:57 AM

I would have been interested in some different questions:

1) Did you know that 31,000+ scientists just from the U.S. declare global warming a hoax?

2) Did you know that animals (including humans) breathing causes carbon dioxide? And that trees use it to create oxygen?

3) Did you know that the IPCC is a political organization and not a scientific one?

4) Did you know that Al Gore drives SUVs and flies private jets?

5) Did you know that the conclusions for the IPCC report were written BEFORE the data was even complete? And that the data had to be changed to accommodate the conclusion?

6) Did you know that the (in)famous hockey stick graph showing world temperatures dramatically increasing in the last decade was a hoax?

7) Did you know that temperatures of the past ten years have actually decreased?

8) Did you know that 2007 showed the most dramatic DECREASE in temperatures on record?

9) Do you believe that the Northwest Passage is only opening up now due to global warming, or did you realize it's been open many times before?

10) Do you believe that global warming deniers are all shills for big oil?

11) Do you believe that global warming proclaimers are getting big grants for their research, as long as that research goes a certain way?

12) Do you believe Obama is a lightbringer and will show us the way to a new plane of existence?

(That last one is important to show the mentality of the responders)

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at August 13, 2008 10:14 AM

John, a smaller global population would not be a bad thing BUT

You have to have equal participation by everyone. You can't have (for example) all Europeans cut back their birthrate, then have Moslems move in and start having as many kids as possible. That becomes ethnic engineering.

People from the third world could give a damn about population or environment or any of that stuff. Here in the southwest, our Undocumented Migrant Alien Guest Workers call it "reconquista". They are literally taking over by sheer numbers.

So while it would be nice to have a stable world population around 4.5 billion, I just don't see how it'll happen.

Posted by: matt at August 13, 2008 12:00 PM

"Wake up to the facts that the Earth is a CLOSED system ...."

As a Creationist, I thank you for stating that the Earth is a closed system. This means that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies to (and falsifies) evolution.

Therefore, there is an Intelligent Creator, (in Whom I put my trust) and I don't have to worry one iota about the future of Gaia......

Posted by: aussie-john at August 14, 2008 3:20 AM