Get child services involved for this abuse.

What is even more interesting is the comments. the number of Vegans that came out and defended it.

in the reference to a prior moonbattery post, they showed a mental decline in vegans.

cults and such often give vegan diets... to purify you... but it also makes you more suggestible, your brain accepts things easier because it has less energy to waste on thinking things through.

the recent food connection to oil has caused meat to become more expensive. the selling point is the social good, and lack of cruelty to animals, etc.. the ulterior motive is a more suggestible and pliant population. given how selfish they are now, the parents would get more meat and the children would get less (ever eat oscar myer hot dogs recently?).

the thing that i find most interesting is that their holier than though position on olympus makes them totally immune to any biological facts that point that humans, without modern science, could not survive healthy. the first meat eaters that came along would shove them aside (another reason?)

humans:
have canine teeth, the mark of meat eaters.

are canabalistic

require certain dietary nutrients that can only be found in meat. there are no substitues except those impure chemicals that man makes to provide such

that are raised without meat are easily defeated and surpased by those who do eat meat.

have big brains that require a huge caloric intake that animals with smaller brains dont need as a proportion.

are smart, and there are no real smart plant eaters. the smartest animals are ones that eat meat in some form.

predators, are the smartest animals. prey levels the caloric playing field by not having large brains and sticking together (among other things). this allows them to get more out of less.

its also why predators have a lot of extra liesure time. meat is high calorie, plants are low calorie.

humans would not be as smart and capable if they werent meat eaters that ate each other creating a mental arms race of which they ratcheted up the mental. if they preyed on other animals only, they would never need more than be a little smarter than plant eaters.

man huntint man became predator of predators...

now its come full circle and we are so deep in mind and so far away from world, that the predators now find it too cruel to eat their food. [wait till they find out that plants chemically scream! they will starve themselves to death as members of vhemt!]

it wont work... in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king and if everyone were completely vegan from birth, the population would degrade as there are no second chances from being lax and that spreads. however, in a society totally this way, the man who is raised on mcdonalds would be king.

Hey everyone, don't forget, we're talking about moonBATS here, not humans!

And I thought it was sick when some friend of a friend I knew years ago tried to force her cat to be vegetarian. They say sickos usually start out when they're young by abusing animals...

OT: So, has everybody heard about the judge from the 9th Circus and his barnyard animal porn?

Everytime I read a "vegan" story I celebrate.

Steak for me tonight.

It is a known fact that curtailing your intake of meat proteins in favor of legume proteins or any other protein not originating in actual will at some point start to develop neurological issues. It is because the required amount of fats that are included with the meat protein are needed for a healthy nervous system. The nervous system is primarily constructed from the fats that are ingested with the most valuable of those fats being derived from meat. The inherent argument that leftist lunatic vegans have neurological issues that manifest themselves in the form of their lunacy is self evident.

Where were the doctors for 12 years?

When this moonbattery reaches critical mass, it will be like invasion of the body snatchers.

They'll point and hiss.

Except, I'll be defending myself with a shotgun. Go ahead, make my day.

You can spot vegans pretty easy. They are usually pasty white, very thin and resemble Morlocks from TIME MACHINE - the 1960s version - or the Wraith from Stargate Atlantis if you need a more contemporary reference.

Obama throws another victim under his bus...its getting mighty crowded under there. Obamas old church members are still jostling for the most comfortable positions - they should prepare for new arrivals!!

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23851118-5005961,00.html

Obama VP search chief quits

June 12, 2008 05:15am

US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama today said the head of his vice presidential search team and former head of the mortgage giant Fannie Mae had decided to step aside.

Senator Obama said that Jim Johnson had decided to quit the unpaid position in order to avoid distracting from the process of gathering information about possible vice presidential candidates.

Senator Obama appointed Mr Johnson last week to a three-member team heading the search for his running mate, but Johnson became embroiled in a controversy over questionable loans from lender Countrywide Financial.

"still monkeys"??? What a moron.

Canda grovels, apologizes, and agrees to keep the anguish going with a Truth And Reconciliation Commission, for wanting Canadians to be Canadian. 150 years ago.

Next up: Canadian Moslems.

I've got a friend who won't eat meat. Funny thing is, he's as far right as you get. He's just doing it to prove a point to his dad. He's 18, and he eats dairy products and eggs. How's that for weird?

That is what's so great about being a teen - there's still points you want to prove, even if they're pointless.

If God didnt want us to eat animals he wouldnt have made them out of meat! Instead they would be made out of boogers or pooooooooooooo.

OT - Does the Term 'Flip Flop' even come close to explaining how Obama will say anything, to anyone, at anytime (lie) to tell them what they want to hear?

We are all wrong, Obama never said we need to get out of Iraq right away

The easiest most efficient way to get vitamin D is through sun exposure, not animal products. Veganism has nothing to do with rickets (vitamin D deficiency) and does not cause it. ALL vitamins and nutrients can be found in non-meat sources, including B12, which is not synthesized by animals (human or otherwise), it is synthesized by bacteria found on plants which is how herbivorous animals acquire it. If you stupid fuckers actually read anything that wasn't created in your ass or one of your dumbfuck friend's ass, you'd realize that intelligence does not come from your diet. And diet cannot make you smarter or more dumb(that's right more dumb not dumber). You'd also know that the American Dietetic Association (people who actually study nutrition and know what they are talking about) have officially recommended a balanced vegetarian/vegan diet for chronic disease prevention. It takes a person of moderate intelligence to figure out that a vegan diet is healthier: meat is full of bad cholesterol, plants have NO bad cholesterol; animal protein is difficult to digest and damages liver and kidneys, plant proteins are more easily digested and utilized with no damage to the organs. Most Vegans decide to stop eating meat due to the cruel, psychopathic nature of a meat diet and discover their health actually improves when they learn how to eat a healthy plant-based diet. And while you'll be getting cancer in your colon, high cholesterol, heart disease, and numerous other health problems like obesity, most Vegans will lead dramatically healthier lives. Its the lies that the Cattle industry has force fed the public, like they force feed their cows other cows, that has caused you morons to spew shit out your mouths.

I've heard vegans tend to be foul-mouthed, preachy, and obnoxious. Is that true? Can anyone answer that?

Looks like the brainless loser who posted before you made it clear that the answer is a resounding "Yes," V.

Some of them think we're still monkeys that can live on fruit and nuts

Chimps will eat meat whenever they can get it, and will often make tools to get at it,whether it be poking straws into a termite mound or using a spear to get at galagos hiding in trees. These apes have more sense than your average vegan.

My grandpa, a dairy farmer, smoked, drank, ate a diet thick with butterfat, and lived to be 85. But more importantly, he actually enjoyed his life.

These vegans, at least the ones like our bitter, potty-mouthed friend above, do not seem to be enjoying their lives very much.

I belong to a religion that forbids drinking, smoking, drinking coffee, and recommends meat be consumed in moderation. It works for me, but I don't feel the need to lecture other people about it.

Maybe that's because I'm pretty happy in life and don't feel the need to bring others down to my level of misery.

Besides, if God didn't want us to eat animals, then why do they smell good when they burn?

As a proud vegetarian for The Fatherland I full heartedly endorse the candidte Obama. Even though he is of the inferior schwarz race he is a most useful idiot for the advancement of The Master Race. And I commend his negro wench for demanding that the masses make sacrifices and work for the state. Yes, Fuck Republicans, goosestep in lockstep with those who share our one national vision and master race.

Leftist Vegans = pretentious asshats who feel the need to shove their lifestyles down everyone else's throats.

the vegan argument is usually to extremes to make it impossible to have a discussion. they conflate too much meat with being the same as any meat. as our illustrious example above clearly shows. so its shades of grey if that works, otherwise its black and white wizzing back the forth.

for instance... the point above about certain items that can not be found in plants. the angry person above claims that the animals get it from bacteria. which is true, but not from bacteria on the plants (something that health concious vegans afraid of salmonella would wash off), but from bacteria in their guts of which they often have several stomachs.

and other animals can manufacture things that humans cant... whichis why humans eat them to get that something.

his explanaiton doesnt hold water. it also avoids the point i made that without modern equipment, like gas chromatigraphs and other such things, one wouldnt knwo what mix each food source had, and so how to figure out what to eat to make up for it.

for instance the defense on vitamin D seems to bet heir classic. however, humans wear clothes, and for those humans that tan, they dont produce enough vitamin D. recent studies of adults show that this difficiency is leading to cancer rates rising. the interesting part is that these meat eaters are not getting enough eitehr, so the vegans who are lower down dont.

ALL vitamins and nutrients can be found in non-meat sources

this is true for vegetarians who would eat eggs, milk, etc... non meat sources..

however vegans dont eat anything sourced from meat... which means no eggs, no milk, nothing, not even sea food, of which some vegetarians think large water insects are an exception.

want to see how far they are off... i did a quick search, and only used vegetarian sites..

Vitamin B12
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html

It is exclusively synthesised by bacteria and is found primarily in meat, eggs and dairy products. There has been considerable research into proposed plant sources of vitamin B12. Fermented soya products, seaweeds, and algae such as spirulina have all been suggested as containing significant B12. However, the present consensus is that any B12 present in plant foods is likely to be unavailable to humans and so these foods should not be relied upon as safe sources. Many vegan foods are supplemented with B12. Vitamin B12 is necessary for the synthesis of red blood cells, the maintenance of the nervous system, and growth and development in children. Deficiency can cause anaemia. Vitamin B12 neuropathy, involving the degeneration of nerve fibres and irreversible neurological damage, can also occur.

so the plant sources cant be digested by humans. and of course degeneration of nerve fibers would not lead to cognitive problems.. why? because they are dualists.. they think their mind is separate from the material of the brain or else how do you get tabula rasa?

and here is the key stuff from a vegetarian site which the person admonished us and others for not reading well enough to know the facts.

well, guess who hasnt read well enough...

The only reliable unfortified sources of vitamin B12 are meat, dairy products and eggs. There has been considerable research into possible plant food sources of B12. Fermented soya products, seaweeds and algae have all been proposed as possible sources of B12. However, analysis of fermented soya products, including tempeh, miso, shoyu and tamari, found no significant B12.
Spirulina, an algae available as a dietary supplement in tablet form, and nori, a seaweed, have both appeared to contain significant amounts of B12 after analysis. However, it is thought that this is due to the presence of compounds structurally similar to B12, known as B12 analogues. These cannot be utilised to satisfy dietary needs. Assay methods used to detect B12 are unable to differentiate between B12 and it's analogues, Analysis of possible B12 sources may give false positive results due to the presence of these analogues.

Researchers have suggested that supposed B12 supplements such as spirulina may in fact increase the risk of B12 deficiency disease, as the B12 analogues can compete with B12 and inhibit metabolism.

The current nutritional consensus is that no plant foods can be relied on as a safe source of vitamin B12.

but the best part is the part of a potential non meat source.. it explains wher the poster got their idea of unwashed foods as a good source.

Bacteria present in the large intestine are able to synthesise B12. In the past, it has been thought that the B12 produced by these colonic bacteria could be absorbed and utilised by humans. However, the bacteria produce B12 too far down the intestine for absorption to occur, B12 not being absorbed through the colon lining.

Human faeces can contain significant B12. A study has shown that a group of Iranian vegans obtained adequate B12 from unwashed vegetables which had been fertilised with human manure. Faecal contamination of vegetables and other plant foods can make a significant contribution to dietary needs, particularly in areas where hygiene standards may be low. This may be responsible for the lack of aneamia due to B12 deficiency in vegan communities in developing countries.

yes... the evidence was people who ate their own you know what...

i dont think that will be appealing to the majority of those wishing to live vegan.

meanwhile, the suppliments that they take to give them this, are made from rendered meat!!!! they say to eat foods fortified with it, but they dont say where the fortification comes from, and the list makes a uncareful reader think those items ahve it naturally, which they dont.

[the majority of cows dont get eaten, they get rendered. then they go into more than 80,000 different products... clothing, plastics, asphalt, and on and on... there is no way to separate yourself from it without ignorance causing you to believe something your using or doing doesnt ahve it.]

let me break this out for our vegan freind that thinks unwashed plants are the source.

Human faeces can contain significant B12. A study has shown that a group of Iranian vegans obtained adequate B12 from unwashed vegetables which had been fertilised with human manure. Faecal contamination of vegetables and other plant foods can make a significant contribution to dietary needs, particularly in areas where hygiene standards may be low. This may be responsible for the lack of aneamia due to B12 deficiency in vegan communities in developing countries.

he obviously doesnt know that herbivores have several stomachs (cows have five), and so they get to ferment their lower intestinal stuff, and then spit it back up and chew on it. they can extract the b12 from plants and they get the b12 from teh bacteria later in their colonic proceses chewing their cuds. meat eaters only have one stomach.

of course humans of coprophilic bent can survive by eating their own sh*t... which is where this was learned from.

so accidentally bad health practices have shown the light as to the only natural source of non meat b12 available.

however, most humans would prefer that cows chew the crap for them... and if this got out enouhg, not many people would want to suck face with vegans..

if a vegan says they dont take suppliments and are getting their fix from unwashed plants, then i wouldnt kiss themeither since the operative fertilizer would be their own poo.

here from another site

A vitamin B12 deficiency is a serious disorder and indications of a deficiency of vitamin B12, when they do reach a stage where they have shown up, can be quite severe. Fatigue, paleness, anorexia, mental confusion, delusions, paranoia, weight loss, respiratory problems, etc. are just some indications that a person may have a B12-deficiency.

and why the vegans feel healthy for a long while.

Vitamin B12 is excreted in the bile and is effectively reabsorbed. This is known as enterohepatic circulation. The amount of B12 excreted in the bile can vary from 1 to 10ug (micrograms) a day. People on diets low in B12, including vegans and some vegetarians, may be obtaining more B12 from reabsorption than from dietary sources. Reabsorption is the reason it can take over 20 years for a deficiency disease to develop. In comparison, if B12 deficiency is due to a failure in absorption, it can take only three years for a deficiency disease to occur.

so it may take a long time for the problems to show.

so a person that converts from one diet to anotehr may not see the damage for 20 years... and a person that has that diet and lapses may not see things for 3 years.

check out the time periods of those who are converts wanting everyone to convert... they are mostly a few years... how about the vegans that ahve been going for 30 years?

and they mention again the same lower intestine thing and mention it was bunked 20 years ago

Among the many controversies surrounding vitamin B12, there is the argument that, although Intrinsic Factor is produced in our stomachs and that our intestines are known to produce vitamin B12, the bacteria is produced too low down in the intestines and cannot be absorbed by our bodies. This argument is still hanging around, however, according to Dr Vetrano it was disproved by research over 20 years ago and is nothing more than an obsolete scientific theory. Indeed, in a 1999 version of 'Human Anatomy and Physiology' by Marieb, it states quite clearly that we do indeed absorb vitamin B12 through our intestines.

and the idea that taking a pill makes it ok is also bad

According to Dr. John Potter PhD, of Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center, Seattle, "Food's magic is based on thousands of complex interactions of dozens of different phytochemicals which are difficult to recreate in pills. While 190 solid studies prove that fruit and vegetables benefit, supplements have only a smattering of evidence". Vitamins, minerals, hormones, etc. do not work in isolation, they work symbiotically. They work with other nutrients in order for their work to be carried out. When these highly complex substances are disturbed, their overall effectiveness can be reduced.

so our one crackpot that came to inform us and yell at us that we were not informed turns out to be the ignorant one who has read what they want to hear, and is betting their life on an ideological view of he world.

not good... but the useful idiots dont learn till its too late... like the parents of that little girl... do note the country they are from. and that the reason that it has red heads is that we (i am redhead), produce more vitamin D than others... so red heads have an advantage in those areas... while those of other races would have problems.

we dont know the race of this girl.. if she was of african descent then her skin would have been way too dark for her to get enough D in england.

"The easiest most efficient way to get vitamin D is through sun exposure, not animal products."

Ever heard of SKIN CANCER, or at least SUN BURN?

Artfldgr, thanks for taking the time to actually lay out in detail how ill-advised pure veganism can be. It's a pity that it will be immediately ignored by impassioned trolls who only know how to scream dirty names and cry foul.

Artfldgr - You put an intellectual smackdown on that vegan troll. Well done.

What could make a bacon-wrapped tenderloin even tastier? Eating it in front of our new vegan troll friend, that's what.

speaking from a strictly female p.o.v. - i can tell you that at least one week out of EVERY single month, i have a very strong craving that only red meat will satisfy. red meat and chocolate. the rest of the month, i'm quite satisfied with regular type fare - bacon, ham, chicken, salads with the aforementioned.

vegans are in a constant fight with their make up and desire to force it upon the rest of u.s.

JUST SAY NO!

So, first I'd like to point out that,Yes, Vegans are obnoxious. Preachy,no! Well informed, Yes! Leftist, sometimes. Me, I'm an anarchist! And I do like being rude and obnoxious! Troll is a compliment especially coming from some ignorant bible thumping Fuck! Oh and by the way God, and Jesus are imaginary. Wake the fuck up! Evolution is real. Scientific evidence proves that theory. As well as the fact that mainstream Republicans can only find research that supports their idealistic Christian viewpoint. Maybe if you actually looked outside your own perverted worlds for one minute you would see there is more to it than God and Christ. Like real science. People being nice to each other because they want to not because they were told to. How smart are you that you need a fucking book to tell you how to live your life? And then half the time do the exact opposite. And as far as preachy goes, how bout them Christians? Read your beloved bible much? I do my research and find that there is a whole mess of studies out there that perpetuate the myth of a meat based diet being healthier than an all plant based diet. How smart are you if you believe what the cattle industry tells you so you will continue to eat meat. If the whole world went Vegan what do you think would happen to that rancher? Yup, he'd be bankrupt. Aw, too Fucking bad!! Well, here's some facts for you that,if you actually read them, will dispell some of the myths already thrown out here on this page. And the web address so you can verify if you dare.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vitamin-B12/NS_patient-vitaminb12

The human body stores several years' worth of vitamin B12, so nutritional deficiency of this vitamin is extremely rare. Elderly are the most at risk. However, deficiency can result from being unable to use vitamin B12. Inability to absorb vitamin B12 from the intestinal tract can be caused by a disease known as pernicious anemia. Additionally, strict vegetarians or vegans who are not taking in proper amounts of B12 are also prone to a deficiency state.

And this is from the Vegetarian Resource Group.

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm

Vitamin B12 is needed for cell division and blood formation. Neither plants nor animals make vitamin B12. Bacteria are responsible for producing vitamin B12. Animals get their vitamin B12 from eating foods contaminated with vitamin B12 and then the animal becomes a source of vitamin B12. Plant foods do not contain vitamin B12 except when they are contaminated by microorganisms or have vitamin B12 added to them.

So, except for your sources I found plenty of sites that suggest that a human can get B12 from other than an animal source.

So in response to Vitamin D:

http://www.vegansociety.com/newsroom/index.php?/archives/16-Rickets-and-Vitamin-D.html

And as far as an "intellectual smack down", Ha! Is that what you call it. I think this is kind of fun. I am not trying to bring anyone down to my level of misery. I'm quite happy in my life, until I run into a bunch of beer swilling,meat eating, Bible thumpin' Rednecks who think they're smart. I just wish that people would think about the shit they cram down their own throats(i.e. food), and where it comes from. Animals are not machines. They shouldn't be treated like machines. They are living, breathing creatures that have desires similar to humans. Animals desire food,companionship and freedom of movement. Animals feel pain and avoid it consciously. Animals have senses greater than that of humans. Animals are intelligent. They may not be as intelligent as humans, but they do think. If your argument is that it is ok to eat anything that is not as smart as a human, then why don't we eat cats, and dogs. Or dolphins? Or monkeys? And why is ok to eat a cow and not a horse? I only hope that someday the world will see the error in their ways and realise a cruelty free diet is the right thing to do. As I stated before, I am an anarchist. I do what I do because I love humanity and feel that everyone should be free. This bullshit democracy we live in is not freedom. Neither is any Communist or Socialist form of Government. That's why it saddens me to see a group of potentially intelligent people use the brains for evil. Wake up and see the Lies.

NO GOVERNMENT CAN EVER GIVE YOU FREEDOM!
NO ONE IS FREE WHILE OTHERS ARE OPPRESSED!
I look forward to more comments!
: )

you're so silly.

OK, so I'm not trying to be a troll, but I wanted to set one thing straight. Vegans do not get B12 from unwashed veggies (or from feces as someone tried to imply), almost all the vegans I know get B12 from nutritional yeast, which is similar to brewer's yeast. How it works: a purified culture of B12-producing bacteria in introduced into a vat of growing medium. Then the yeast is introduced and feeds off the medium and the bacteria thus acquiring the vitamins produced. The yeast is then deactivated to halt growth/reproduction, dried, and ground into powder. One serving = 1 1/2 tablespoons. One serving contains: (daily values) B1 640%; B2 565%; Niacin 280%; B6 480% Folic Acid 60%; B12 133%; Selenium 32%; Zinc 21%; protein 17%; dietary fiber 16%. All of which can be easily absorbed and utilized. Not bad for 1 1/2 tablespoons, eh?
I'm wondering why people assume it was veganism that caused the little girl to be ill. Meat-eaters get rickets all the time, yet no one says "eating meat deformed little girl's spine." People are jumping to conclusions based on a brief news article with an obvious bias. And to "artfldgr," for most people, 20 minutes of sun-exposure on the face and arms only is enough to get a few days' worth of vitamin D, to suggest that this would give you skin cancer or sunburn is silly, to say the least.
Also, I wanted to address the idea that avoiding meat damages intellect. If this is true, then why did/do so many of our great thinkers abstain from animal products? Gandhi, Einstein, and Plato, just to name 3 big ones. Cults do not impose healthy vegan diets, they impose malnutrition by serving only bread and water or gruel, which, despite what you think, is not the same. I for one, am not malnourished, nor am I weak. I eat a balanced diet and exercise often, as do many vegans including several Ironman athletes, bodybuilders, and even a couple UFC fighters. (Also, before anyone throws this out there: Hitler was NOT a vegetarian -- his doctor advised him to stop eating beef because he had digestive problems, but he still ate pork, chicken, fish, etc. That doesn't sound like a vegetarian to me.)

If anyone would like to learn about vegan nutrition from actual nutritionists instead of from articles with very little information or posts on right-wing blogs, I suggest reading Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis & Vesanto Melina. It is a very thorough overview that includes results from numerous scientific, PEER-REVIEWED, nutritional studies. Even if you have no intention of ever giving up meat, at least you can educate yourself so you can argue against veganism thoughtfully and perhaps change your habits to include whole grains, and more veggies and fruits. Even if you replace the tofu with chicken, you will still be improving your health.
Assumptions, accusations, stereotyping and misinformation doesn't get anyone, omnivorous or not, anywhere. If you don't like being stereotyped and accused of ridiculous things, then perhaps we should treat others they way we like to be treated. That's all. Feel free to commence with the insults.

Ah, so the hate- filled Anarchist moron is back for more.
" I am not trying to bring anyone down to my level of misery."
Could have fooled me, jerk. You unfairly mock and slander the Christian faith for no good reason (It's not like it relates to the matter at hand in any way), try to label us all with a bunch of baseless stereotypes which I doubt apply to any of us (A trademark behavior trait of ultra- liberals, especially the Anarchist freaks), and spew some weird conspiracy crap about how supposedly none of us are free. You are clearly a very miserable person, and eager to try and drag everyone else down to your level of misery. Fortunately, it's not working.
Oh, and yes, almost all of the vegans I've known have been EXTREMELY preachy. They cram their beliefs down everyone's throats like one of their vile- tasting tofu squares every chance they get, refuse to accept the possibility that people are allowed to make their own choices on what to eat, and pretend like everyone who eats animal products is automatically a fat, disgusting slob who'll die before they turn 50. I eat meat fairly regularly, and I'm in pretty good physical condition. My weight is generally between 150- 160 pounds, and I'm about 6'2" tall, so that weight is quite evenly distributed.
Anarchy sucks and would never work, that's part of why I would never support it. That, and the fact that 99% of the Anarchists I see come across as deranged, meth- fueled sociopaths who are eager for any opportunity to spread chaos and violence. They're cowards, too, since whenever they engage in their typical acts of vandalism and violence, they always wear those ridiculous- looking bandanas over their faces because they're too chicken to show their ugly faces and risk arrest, since the concept of actually having to take responsibility for their actions terrifies them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, it's about dinner time. I'm going to head over to Applebee's, and I think I'll get a nice, juicy, all- beef burger, and I'm going to enjoy it. Put that in your bong and smoke it.

"The Anarchist(formerly "Fuck Republicans") at June 13, 2008 7:03 AM"

Like all of the NEW "anarchists", you think that anarcism is "every man and woman for themselves and NO RULES!"
The truth is, anarchism is a very heavily regulated society. It has to be, there is no central government to make laws and instead JUDGES have great power, interpreting and revising existing laws as it suits the situation.
Under REAL anarchy, you would crap your pants.

The United States Constitution can be said to be the PERFECT anarchy, because it was designed to prevent an all-powerfull, central government.

"...why don't we eat cats, and dogs. Or dolphins? Or monkeys?"

As for cats and dogs, the neighbors would get upset if I put out snares for their pets. I probably do eat dolphin everytime I crack open a can of "dolphin safe" tuna; how the heck would I know the difference? As for monkeys, the little buggers don't run wild in North America, and the zoo would probably be hopping mad if I started picking off chimps for dinner.

People all around the world eat frogs, dogs, hogs, cats, rats, bats, and and damn near anything else they can get their hands on. If evolution is the guiding force for humanity, then I'd say a lot of meat-eaters have survived Darwin's race and have no reason to change.

But I'm just an ingnorant, Bible-thumping fuck...

ah... i knew that the leftists wouldnt be able to read and comprehend what i wrote, and mix up who said what.

my main thesis was not that vegan was good or bad, but that without modern science, and all the modern machines, it would be impossible to live such a life

i did not imply that eating shit did it, what i found was the source of the vegan myth of unwashed vegitables, left out a key detail in where the vitamin was coming from.

i was not the person who said that you couldnt get enough vitamin D from sunlight. being a red head i am super sensitive to sun. and so i get a whole lot of it, and i know that (to confirm his darwin rant - which doesnt prove or disprove god. in fact an atheist technically needs just as much false belief as a theological person, but just the other way as there is no proof either way).

however, i did mention that this was england... england does not have as many sunny days.. and we do not know the race of the girl in question. for if this person was half as knowlegeable, rather than parroting what words tehy could find, they would know that africans cant stay out in england and expect to get their vitamin D fix as easily as someone like me. who can get a fix with most of my body covered.

on the issue of b12, i also pointed out, as the person repeated, that its recucled. but recycled from prior consumption. which means that those that convert feel great... 12 years later, if they are not VERY careful, they have problems.

i did not say that everyone will. i said that a person would need a heck of a lot of ritualized living in order to accomplish it and stay healthy.

as for ghandi and the otehrs you mentioned were not VEGAN, but Vegetarian... not the same by a long shot.

it was an intellectual slap down, because you didnt offer anything, got your facts mixed up, didnt listen to the arguments, etc.

you came to a gunfight with a toothpick

I just wish that people would think about the shit they cram down their own throats(i.e. food), and where it comes from. Animals are not machines. They shouldn't be treated like machines. They are living, breathing creatures that have desires similar to humans.

ah... the idiot shows that he is an idiot.

why? because the idiot cant figure out the requirements one must have to have desires, goals, plans, ideas, etc.

in one paragraph he leans towards darwin, to make us seem foolish to him... (not to others since we knew it was only convenient words, the person was a parrot as orwell pointed out, and couldnt formulate their own thoughts. for then they wouldnt contradict themselves later).

then later on, he says animals are not machines... but thats exactly waht darwin showed. we are all just wet machines.

ah... so our antithologian doesnt realize that he/she is a dualist... while saying there is no god, or soul or such, he then says that we and animals are not machines.

of course the person has their ideological points mixed up. its the very fact that we are machines that justifies the lefts control of peoples lives and thoughts. however, this person has been told by his keepers that the others are the evil ones. (so evil he actually is still alive, unlike my family who were done in by hitler, and stalin.. or my wives whose was done in by mao)

a desire requires tiem sense, a past and a present and a future. animals are on instinct, they only have present... they dont remember past, they remember they dont like something and avoid it.

you cant formulate a desire without these higher mental processes.

Animals desire food,companionship and freedom of movement. Animals feel pain and avoid it consciously. Animals have senses greater than that of humans.

yes, we have a well grounded progressive who likes and believes in myths. they have little intelligence, and so their idiotic assertions to them are smart.

animals do not have conciousness. the closest ones that do are primates, and ceteceans... and the court is still out.

animals have instincts. you get hungry, that is an instinctual feel that tells you to want to eat. however, you understand that hunger for what it is, to the animal, they just change direction.

the vast majority have no concousness... they dont even have the brain areas for such. they are what the person says they are not, machines.

thats what darwin did, boil all life down to a machine. these models do not have the parts of the brain necessary for the thoughts that this person projects on them ANTHROPOMORPHICALLY.. .

seems disney with stories like finding nemo has made people think that everything is the same, and animals are people in different bodies.

as far as companionship, it depends on the animal. most animals are in compettion, and so only a few types are communial to any degree.. most of the others are not...

the vast majority of animals on the planet would eat their own children, and our communist/anarchist if given the chance.

animals are not magical. some have greater senses, some dont. a nematode worm has decidedly less senses than a human... while an eagle just has better eyesight...

every animal is a machine that is 'designed' through accident to exploit reality for its success. that is except that if it ges too smart, then it can invent ways to hurt iself for pleasure, then try to convince others in their misery to join them.

Animals are intelligent. They may not be as intelligent as humans, but they do think.

please define those terms smart one.

thinking on what level? even your denseness thinks at a level far superior to all other animals in the known universe.

If your argument is that it is ok to eat anything that is not as smart as a human, then why don't we eat cats, and dogs. Or dolphins? Or monkeys? And why is ok to eat a cow and not a horse?

that is not the argument... the argument is that darwinistically we were made to eat meat...

philosophically we can isolate and domesticate ourselves till we are so far away from natural darwinian reality that we dont understand how the world works at all.

we do eat cats... (we drink coffee that passes through civit cats too). we eat shit... humans DO eat dolphins... and other sea MAMMALS... the chinese ate dogs, or dont you know what a sharpei was for? the arab countries will eat LIVE monkey brains... and havent you ever heard of bush meat?

who said it wasnt ok to eat a horse? what do you think the glue factory jokes were about? the renderer...where old horses would be broken down to all their parts so that like the american indians we dont waste a single thing.

horses were usually too useful to eat. a horse was your transportaion, your emergency vehicle, the engien the pulled your plow, and moer... it was worth a lot more to you as a horse, than a meal. however, farmers usually didnt sell their horses to the renderer... they usually put them to pasture... which among the nicer freindlier ones meant they were left alone to retire and die of old age..

I only hope that someday the world will see the error in their ways and realise a cruelty free diet is the right thing to do.

you dont even know what cruelty is. but you will find out if you get the state of your choice.

As I stated before, I am an anarchist. I do what I do because I love humanity and feel that everyone should be free. This bullshit democracy we live in is not freedom. Neither is any Communist or Socialist form of Government.

ah... anarchism for freedom...

and a vegan...

you are such an ass... anarchists, communists, socialists, are all variations on the same theme. but you dont know your history.

meanwhile, in an anarchic system, the strong win. and the meat eaters are stronger, have more children, and basically run over the vegans.

why? because it takes energy, and when your talking anarchism, the ones with the most energy to concentrate win.

this person thinks that anarchism is like the painting "sunday in the park with george", they have no idea of the reality of it. the huns were anarchic government, so were the wild west, as was the kind of state in the apocalypse movies, like thunderdome.

of course this person calling us idiots, has shown us many things.

that they dont know biology
that they believe in a ghost int he machine
but they also say they are for darwins view (survival of the strongest over the weakest).
yet they dont understand that us eating meat fits darwins views...
that they dont know what anarchism is other than what they learned from heavy metal record albums.

and that they are pretty much an empty vessel that feels full

its all i have time for now.

but i could detail a lot for this leftist person.

oh... i am not a rightist.. nor am i a redneck (i am in a interracial marraige).

this person has no idea for what they are fighting for... nor why this is so popular..

they dont even know that they are following the statist teachings of hitler.

hitler persecuted jews and christians, as well as other religions, just like our reactionary anarchest here.

so they arein the same realm of political thought.

they both advocate forcing the public to do things for their own good.

both hitler and our anarchist here wanted everyone to be vegitarian, and wanted animal rights... and so forth.

the idiot calls themselves an anarchist, but is aligned with the libertarian socialist green party... which you can go to their site.. at nazi.org

yes. the nazi's became the green party... not the neo nazies. which were and are a separate group.

but this person knows not history...

they are a dumb parrot.

New technology may prevent vitamin B12 deficient seniors and vegetarians from needing injections
Pharmaceutical scientists from across the globe present health discoveries at the American Association of Pharmaceutical Scientists' National Biotechnology Conference
TORONTO, Canada (June 17, 2008) – For those patients who receive the nearly 40 million intramuscular injections per year to treat their B12 deficiency, a new oral option may soon exist.

According to the National Institutes of Health, vitamin B12 deficiency can lead to a wide spectrum of conditions, such as anemia, dementia and reduced cognitive functioning. Vitamin B12 deficiency is a significant health issue. Nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population is B12 deficient (Tufts University, Boston). This includes a sizable number of patients who are severely deficient and are currently being treated. Further, a vast number of people are completely unaware they are B12 deficient and will eventually need treatment. Seniors and strict vegetarians are most at risk. Symptoms such as fatigue, constipation, loss of appetite and weight loss can occur in those who are deficient.

Currently, physicians rely on B12 shots for people with vitamin B12 deficiency because of the poor bioavailability of oral formulations. Past studies have shown that only approximately one percent of a vitamin B12 tablet gets absorbed in the bloodstream after traveling through the digestive track. Because so much of the vitamin is wasted, alternatives to effectively treat or protect against B12 deficiency are needed.

"Vitamin B12 is a perfect example of the successful application of our eligen® technology," said Cristina Castelli, Ph. D., AAPS expert and lead researcher at Emisphere Technologies, Inc. "Our current studies have shown our oral solid formulation brings vitamin B12 absorption to a range of 7-30% without the discomfort of an invasive route of administration."

Ms. Castelli and other project researchers will be at the AAPS National Biotechnology Conference to present and discuss their research with hundreds of pharmaceutical scientists from countries around the world.

Animal testing has been completed and researchers are now conducting human studies.