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things like this happening everywhere!

kevin, at amboy times is keeping an ongoing list of things that offend muslims - you can make your suggestions to him and he will add it to the list.

as others have stated in the recent past, it would be easier to figure out what DOESN'T offend them!

If christians practicing their religion discrimminate againt or engage in illegal activity against other Americans then those christians should be sued.

You cannot use religion as an excuse not to follow laws or the deceny that a civilized society requires of its citizens.

Gay people are born gay - yet religion is a belief system that is a choice. Yet religion is protected under the law and an inborn sexual oreintation is not - GO FIGURE.
Fortunately society is seeing the insanity of this and gay rights will prevail in all 50 states. That is what I love about America - eventually we become the leader in all facets of life. This truely is the greatest country on earth.

"If christians practicing their religion discrimminate againt or engage in illegal activity against other Americans then those christians should be sued."

Why didn't you include MUSLIMS in that statement, LT? Surely you are not AFRAID of them?

By The Way, LT,
Just WHO do you think should sue those Christians? Other Christians? Athiests? Jews? Buddists? muslims? Anybody who wants to make a quick buck?
I really would like an answer, because I've heard about and read of other "better world" plans from Liberals and I'd like to know just HOW they would carry them out. Many of them would HAVE TO involve a massive, Stalin-style government answerable only to itself that thinks nothing of mass murder, torture and compulsive "re-education" (Currently called "sencitivity training").

I think that if Muslims move here or other western countries they need to assimilate and if they don't they go back. There is no way babaric shira law should be alowed to exist in any western country. Its insane.

KHarn,

I am a progressuive - meaning I believe in moving forward ALWAYS. Radical Islam is barbaric and the enemy of progress. If muslims don't assimilate I say kick them out - its a no brainer.

I didn't know certain people were born gay. I could have sworn it's a choice a person makes about what stimulates them. You know, looks personality ,gender,etc. Boy those sure are alot or choices that are in-born. And you atheists say there's no God.

Gay people are born gay.

Are you sure about that, or is it just what you want to believe?

Now I suppose I should add a disclaimer here (sigh). I'm not "homophobic" (if indeed anyone bar a small minority of actual phobics are). I've worked with gays for much of my adult life. I worked in theatre, which is gay, gay, gay. I worked with a gay building firm, had the contract on two major London gay venues, spent much of my time socialising for several years on the gay scene, many of my friends have been gay, I've no problem with gays, I've seen things that'd make many straight peoples' toes curl, I was considered "honorary gay", blah blah blah.

I've also known a lot of gays switch sides. I've talked to gay men who were married and never "realised" they were gay until middle age. My sister had a relationship with an actor who'd been "gay" until his late 40s when he realised he actually preferred girls (and blamed his gayness on the very gay atmosphere on theatre influencing him as a young man).

I've wondered about those institutionally gay (or bisexual, rather) societies that gay activists use as examples (e.g. Ancient Greece, much of the Roman World which adopted Greek values) and wondered why, if people are "born gay", gayness can become predominant in a society. Did all the Ancient Greeks have gay genes? Or did a majority of men reluctantly bang their adolescent companion wishing he was a girl instead? Sounds more like a lifestyle choice to me.

The widely trumpeted "gay gene" a few years ago only seems to, even if the research is correct, make it more likely that the carrier will be gay. It seems far more likely that rather than this gene making its carriers gay, it's controlling something else which makes them more likely to be gay. IOW, it's influencing personality, and some personalities may be more likely to be attracted to gayness than others.

As an example, it's probable that some personalities are more likely to want to be firemen, physicists or ballet dancers, but it doesn't mean there's a fireman gene, physicist gene or ballet dancer gene or that people are "born firemen", "born physicists" or "born ballet dancers".

It's simply wrong-headed. Heck, even Tom Robinson, writer of the anthemic "Glad To Be Gay" ended up in a straight relationship. And yet we have this orthodoxy that people are born gay; that this one specific preference has genes all of its own.

And.

That's a dangerous orthodoxy. It's saying that society will somehow only apply rights to things which are predetermined, over which people have no control. Does that mean we discard peoples' right to choose? Is it less valid to want to be a fireman, physicist, ballet dancer, christian, atheist, conservative, socialist, vegetarian, nudist or any other damned thing? Must we run around "proving" we have no control over our desires in order to have a choice respected?

I don't want to live in that world. I pity anyone who does.

Thank you once again IAN.

I WAS going to address the "gay" part of LT's post, but I saw that I was getting nowhere and deleted what I had written.

Dang boy, you talk so purty.

Anonymous said: "I am a progressuive - meaning I believe in moving forward ALWAYS."
And how, precisely, do you determine if you're moving forward? Forward towards what? Be careful, because you're very close to asserting a moral absolute, and liberals are highly allergic to those.

Even if there's a cliff ahead - some dipwads always move forward, ALWAYS.

Mark that you your 'book of liberal "thought"'. What idiots. And I bet it thought it was being really, really brilliant with that post, huh, Pablo.

Sheesh.

yeah - it'd be great to negotiate with a progressive if you were standing on opposite cliffs! just tell them you'll meet them halfway.

What ever happened to separation of church and state prison?