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It can't be said often enough.

If the Arabs put down their arms there would be no more war.
If the Jews put down their arms there would be no more Jews.

You're harping too much about politics

They are not the problem, it's the people working behind the scenes you have to watch out for

Like the ACLU who are suing everything in site with George Soro backing them up, but there is a force called the ADF taking them on

To get more perspective read O'Reillys' 'Culture Warrior'

Then read 'The ACLU vs. America' educate yourselves

I spent 2 years at UNLV,it was a craphole then and has obviuosly gone down hill.

I have to ask a simple question that I know sends many of you right wing moonbats into a spasmatic flutter. You bash every candidate that's running. I never see any alternatives other than a sand pounding pity party. You don't like McCain. You don't like Hillary and you don't like Obama. So, is this site suggesting we just not vote? I know that's a complicated question but perhaps you can give it a shot without going into a ranting diatribe. LOL, what was I thinking?

The problem with you Andy is you can't see beyond politics. All you see is "Which team is winning? Is my team winning?" Not all of us, but a lot of us, don't see political affiliation as the be-all and end-all of personal identity. We also see politics as an obstacle to solving problems, if not the cause of most of society's problems.

We don't say, "I am for policy x because the other party opposes it," as so many on the left seem to do. We want common sense to prevail. We want the government to mind its own business and limit itself to a limited number of necessary functions.

No one in either party is running on a platform that in any way resembles basic common sense, limited government conservatism. Hillary/Obama are hard left, want to vastly expand the power of government and limit individual freedom, largely for the benefit of a narrow political elite. John McCain also thinks big government is a panacea for all the ills of society and varies from Obama and Hillary only how much he would expand government.

Some of us look at this scenario, see no winners, and have decided to sit out the election. Others think as wretched as McCain is, Hillary and Obama are much, much worse, and they will vote for McCain and hate themselves for it later. Both viewpoints have valid arguments, and it is ultimately a matter of personal choice.

By the way, bashing every candidate who's running is much smarter than mindlessly shilling for your own side. Politicians should never be trusted by anyone. Regardless of how slickly they package themselves, the only thing they give a damn about is their own power. It's true of Obama. It's true of Hillary. It's true of McCain. A good citizen should always be skeptical of those who want to wield power over him.

Yeah like Andy42302 said if you are not up on the news you're clueless

You have to read the books, surf the net and watch the news

If you're not up on all three you're retarded, and not a real Culture Warrior

Imagine the Pentagon got all their news from one source LOL

Get real, you gotta be smart and know wtf is going on in today's world ;)

btw Van Helsing Fox news is focused on the whole Wright thing non stop go check it out sir

Hey V the K,
TOOOOSHAY!!!!

You put greatly into words what I have always thought.

Thanks

Let me put it this way, UCA. Would you rather be a skeptic of all politicians, or one of those fainting, crying, screaming idiots at an Obama rally?

V, you make some good, valid points put at the end of the day, it alludes the fact that one of these 3 will indeed be President. It also concludes that unless you can vote for someone that supports your political agenda, you'll sit this one out. It appears that the "can't see beyond politics" concept applies to both sides, no?

We've seen the Clinton and Bush machines in action and I agree that neither is good for the country. A vote for McCain is in reality a vote for another four years of a Bush administration. I can't vote for a guy that has stated that 100 years of war is fine, the illegals are here to stay, and the jobs are never coming back. I don't even see even going into the reasons I can't vote Clinton.

There's also another issue to think about. It looks like the Republican Congress and Senate will be in big trouble in 08 with even an outside shot of Dems taking 60 seats in the Senate(don't forget that for the Dems to take the majority in 06 was an outside shot). Do you want an all Dem controlled Whitehouse, Congress, and Senate? Even as liberal as I am, I can see a justification in having checks and balances. That's something to think about or in my opinion, it's better than sitting out and pounding sand.

Let see, the US removed Saddam Hussein, a dictator who along with his twisted family and cohorts did things like dip people in acid, suspended them from ceiling for day or weeks, gassed his own people, filled mass graves with hundreds of thousands of his own people, fed people to lions, stuck people into actual Iron Maidens. And thats a bad thing. Forget about the fact that most Iraqis whove died since then have been the victim of random car bombings, shootings and incidents like the one where a truckload of flour packed with explosives is detonated once women and children are gathered around it to buy the flour. And Iraq had its first free elections over the last few years. The US imbeds reporters in military units. BAD AMERICANS !!! Evil dictators should be left in place to kill in a police state free from the prying eyes of the media.

Granted the US once supported Saddam and that was not smart. Likewise, helping the USSR before Hitler had a chance to really beat the tar out of them was a mistake too.

The party that holds the White House usually loses seats in an off-year election. So, it is conceivable that losing the White House in 2008 may help Republicans in 2010. 2010 will be a very important year because of the census and redistricting. Also, in 2012, some very good, uncorrupted Republicans including Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin will be viable as presidential candidates... and they are orders of magnitude better than McCain.

And if Hillary or Obama is elected in 2008 and succeeds in torpedoing the economy (raising taxes in the teeth of a recession seems like wicked bad policy to me), there may be an opening.

Of course, the opposite may happen as well. Hillary or Obama may prove to be more moderate once they emerge from the primaries, and succeed in guiding the country through a difficult time. John McCain may even surprise us by actually following through on his promises to secure the borders and appoint constructionist judges. Whoever is elected, the patriotic thing to do is hope that they do right by the country, and that the country prospers regardless of whether a red flag or a blue flag hangs over the White House.

As for sitting out the election, I live in a state that will go blue regardless, so my one vote really doesn't matter anyway. What I *can* do is donate money to organizations like the NRA and the IFJ to ensure my rights are defended, regardless of who wins.

V,
not much choice there.
You would never find me at an Obama rally.

"Let me put it this way, UCA. Would you rather be a skeptic of all politicians, or one of those fainting, crying, screaming idiots at an Obama rally?"

No Contest V and your previous statement really sums it up. I will only add, even if I decide to pass on voting for President... I will still vote for House Rep and Senators. They are going to have their hands full given the candidates we have running for the chair in the Oval Office. I'm with Andy, our founding fathers created some "checks and balances" for a reason.

"wiz at March 18, 2008 5:02 PM"

Strike at the targets you can hit, say I.