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I would like to nominate "Guilt Free Pistaciho Nut".
The Pistachio is grown in the Middle East mostly.

Ihava Cream

Every endorsement helps. The odds at Intrade.com are still heavy for the Democrats with Obama leading Clinton.

or 'Yes, Pe-can' .

Ah, those were the days my friends when 18 year olds could be ordered to go out and kill or be killed by 13 year old kids. Many homeless Viet Nam vets still haunted by the memories. Talked to one just yesterday. He used to be married, owned a home and his own business. But that drinking to forget caught up with him and he lost it all. Those darn hippies. They should have left the draft alone and kept the voting age at 21. Kids, gotta tell them what father knows is best. "Would be easier if this were a dictatorship and I was the dictator" papa GWB is ready to hand the mantle to mama Hillary.

We gotta get them Iranians before they get us, ya see and we will bring back that draft. Darn Ben & Jerry and those hippies. Go McCain!!!

Yes, mary. War exacts a harsh toll. And just think; if there'd been no Communism, there'd have been no war in Viet Nam. And so few of the other little wars that marred the last century. And no mass graves in the Soviet Union, and China, and Cambodia. And if there'd been no National Socialism, there'd have been no World War II, and no Ba'ath Party in Iraq. And if there were no Jihadist Islam...

Just think what the world would be like without totalitarian collectivist cults. No communism, no socialism, no fascism, no religiofascism. What a peaceful place it would be. Have you ever thought about that, mary?

Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and communism, war has never solved anything.

ummm Ian, there is STILL communism in Vitenam! So, a lot of killing and death for nothing. My bet is that Iraq won't be any more "democratic" then it is now in 50 years. And no one really wants that anyway...

And communism never killed anyone...people killed people. isn't that what you guys are always saying about guns? Communism doesn't start wars...governments do.

It's funny how you don't believe that a physical object manufactured with the sole purpose of killing people is responsible for anyone's death, but that an abstract socio/political IDEA is.

Kristy:

"slavery, fascism, nazism and communism"....hey Kristy, I hate to break it to you, but all of these things STILL exist. The only thing war has ended is people's lives.

I think it's time you enter rehab, dope addict.

hashfanaticFAN said,
"ummm Ian, there is STILL communism in Vitenam! So, a lot of killing and death for nothing."

Uhh, yeah, that's because hippies like mary forced the US to withdraw.

History has shown that our efforts in the 1960s to end the war in Vietnam prolonged the war. Every testimony by North Vietnamese generals in the postwar years has shown that they knew they could not beat the US on the battlefield, and that they counted on the division of the American people at home to win the war for them.

After the antiwar crowd ensured the communists' victory, the deaths of over 500,000 Vietnamese followed as the communists "reeducated" those in the former South who didn't want to live under communist rule.

Don't forget that Cambodia and Laos fell to communists, also, proving that the Domino Theory was correct. That gave us nice fellows like Pol Pot who murdered 2 million in the Killing Fields.

All because drooling, mouth-breathing retards who couldn't see beyond "War is bad! Peace now!".

By the way, hasfanaticFAN and mary, if either of you are ever interested in learning more, they conceal this kind of information in things called "books".

sure sure panday, if you believe sacrificing hundreds of thousands of American lives, at a masssive cost, in a never ending war to save a small asian country from communism is a worthwhile trade off, more power to you. We could still be fighting in Vietnam to this day.

See panday, if we all thought the way you did, the world would be in a perpetual state of war, which I'm beggining to think is something you people actually aspire to.

by the way, how many Vietnamese civilians did the US kill in the "fields" of Vietnam? maybe one of your books has a paragrpah on that?

I wonder, which wars would your Jesus support?

Don't be an idiot hash. You know full well that "Communism" can refer to either a sociopolitical idea, or to the movement enacting the sociopolitical idea.

And no, "we" don't blame tools for the actions of those wielding them. A murder is the fault of the murderer, not the weapon they used. Tools have no volition and thus cannot bear blame. To suffocate another person with a pillow is not an indictment of bedroom furnishings.

Finally, can I take it you disapprove of World War II? Do you really think that reducing Nazism from a pan-continental genocide machine to a handful of retarded loonies squinting at Stormfront wasn't a worthy objective?

The hippies forced the US to withdrawl? How exactly did they FORCE withdrawl. Sounds like the pascifists had more power than the people with the guns.....interesting.

Panday, i will not deny that you read. i will deny your ability to comprehend, however.

""we" don't blame tools for the actions of those wielding them"

Yet you blame ideas and concepts for the deaths of millions, not individuals.

"A murder is the fault of the murderer, not the weapon they used."

So "communism" being neither a tool, nor a person, cannot be blamed for people's deaths, right?

"Do you really think that reducing Nazism from a pan-continental genocide machine to a handful of retarded loonies squinting at Stormfront wasn't a worthy objective?"

Just because it's not called nazism anymore doesn't mean fascism does not exist. I hate to break it to you, but fascism is still alive and well in many parts of the world. Maybe just not as close to home for you as it was in 1942. (although, according to many of the posters here, yourself included, fascism is thriving like never before in the UK.)

War does not eliminate an ideology. It eliminates people.

f you believe sacrificing hundreds of thousands of American lives

Hundreds of thousands of American died in Vietnam? What color is the sky on your planet?

You might as well expound on, say, how Washington's victory over Napoleon at the Battle of Hastings left France too weak to oppose the invading Mongols.

Try getting your facts straight before debating something.

Anon,

Simple- they won the war for the communists through their political actions here in the US, which was something the communists counted on all along.

Your ability to comprehend is seriously stunted.

whose ability to comprehend is stunted? YOU were the one advocating indefinately continuing a war in Vietnam. My point was that this would have led to hundreds of thousands of American deaths. You claim to be able to read?

Did you look up those statistics on how many Vietnamese civilians were killed by the US yet?

Maybe this is why some "hippies" were outraged. Again you haven't explained how a few hundred thousand hippies managed to FORCE the withdrawl of the most powerful military force in the history of the world through simple non-violent protest, thus winning the war for the communists.

It's amazing that this small, unarmed, poor , smelly group could actually win a war without firing a single shot! Maybe you should study their tactics and take them to heart. Sounds as if they were way more effective than our Army, who killed millions, but still couldn't win the war.

whose ability to comprehend is stunted? YOU were the one advocating indefinately continuing a war in Vietnam. My point was that this would have led to hundreds of thousands of American deaths. You claim to be able to read?

Did you look up those statistics on how many Vietnamese civilians were killed by the US yet?

Maybe this is why some "hippies" were outraged. Again you haven't explained how a few hundred thousand hippies managed to FORCE the withdrawl of the most powerful military force in the history of the world through simple non-violent protest, thus winning the war for the communists.

It's amazing that this small, unarmed, poor , smelly group could actually win a war without firing a single shot! Maybe you should study their tactics and take them to heart. Sounds as if they were way more effective than our Army, who killed millions, but still couldn't win the war.

whose ability to comprehend is stunted? YOU were the one advocating indefinately continuing a war in Vietnam. My point was that this would have led to hundreds of thousands of American deaths. You claim to be able to read?

Did you look up those statistics on how many Vietnamese civilians were killed by the US yet?

Maybe this is why some "hippies" were outraged. Again you haven't explained how a few hundred thousand hippies managed to FORCE the withdrawl of the most powerful military force in the history of the world through simple non-violent protest, thus winning the war for the communists.

It's amazing that this small, unarmed, poor , smelly group could actually win a war without firing a single shot! Maybe you should study their tactics and take them to heart. Sounds as if they were way more effective than our Army, who killed millions, but still couldn't win the war.

So what we seem to have learned today from hash is that, for instance, it wasn't National Socialism that killed six million Jews. Neither was it the National Socialist people who killed the Jews. It was the tools they used. It wasn't the fault of the National Socialists who loaded them onto the trains to the death camps, it was the trains themselves that are to blame.

Fascinating.

No no Ian, I'm blaming the people, not their ideology. I agreed with your last post. You initially blamed "communism" for the deaths of millions of people. My point is that communism never killed anyone, people and governments do. i don't care if that government calls itself National Socialists, Capitalists, Labour, or Republican...call it what you want...

Adolph Hitler and his terrified minions (people a lot like yourselves) killed 6 million Jews.

Because the US killed 4 million Vietnamese can I say that Capitalism killed these people?

Hitler called himself a National Socialist. he aslo called himself a Catholic. Can I then say that Catholicism killed 6 million Jews? Hitler was an avid anti-smoking warrior. can I then say that rabid non-smokers killed 6 million Jews?

A number of Popes led holy wars, crusades and genocide campaigns. can I say that Christianity killed milions upon millions of people?

I can, but then all of you will just bust a gut...It's funny that when your own personal ideologies are behind the killing it's all well and good.

Hashidiot, Hitler WAS a National Socialist, Hitler was NOT a Catholic. Even if Hitler called himself this or that isnt what matters - provided he ever actually did it seriously - he called himself alot of things, but almost none of it was true. Humans beings kill other human beings for money and power. Religion has nothing to do with it. If it did, Stalin wouldnt have killed over 20 million and Mao, Pol Pot and others tens of millions more.

Now go smoke some more Pol Pot.

Oh, so Hitler called himself a Catholic, but he wasn't really one? What makes you the central authority on who is or isn't Catholic. If he said he was one, I'll beleive it. Let's put it this way: He was Catholic enough for Pope Pius who granted him his blessings.

"Religion has nothing to do with it"

I'll remember this when all of you start ranting about the evils of Islam.

See you don't really mean this. What you mean is that YOUR religion has nothing to do with it. All the others, well they suck.

Oh, so Hitler called himself a Catholic, but he wasn't really one? What makes you the central authority on who is or isn't Catholic. If he said he was one, I'll beleive it. Let's put it this way: He was Catholic enough for Pope Pius who granted him his blessings.

"Religion has nothing to do with it"

I'll remember this when all of you start ranting about the evils of Islam.

See you don't really mean this. What you mean is that YOUR religion has nothing to do with it. All the others, well they suck.

Hey Anon, If Hitler lied a lot about himself, and he called himself a National Socialist, how can you be sure he WAS a NAtional Socialist.

Maybe he was really a Republican.

Well, it was the National *Socialist* party. Sounds like Hitler would have been more at home as a Dems than a Repub.

So Hashfan, what are your ideologies? How would you have handled Hitlers plan of world domination? He had already carved out a good size chunk when the US became involved. Remember, the jewish people had tried non violence, didn't work. The french had the maginot line, didn't work. The british tried diplomocy, didn't work. In your own words, tell us how you would stop aggressive people or ideologies, without fighting back or without people dying.

"Adolph Hitler and his terrified minions (people a lot like yourselves) killed 6 million Jews."

What a stupid comment in the brackets, the rest is true.

The first thing Hitler did was to disarm the german people, then they became terrified minions. Only after becoming a good nazi did a german get to carry arms and only for the reich, citizens remained unarmed.

I am grateful every day to live as a free, armed american.

Panday nailed it. Crack a book hasben!

The Nazi party's platform included zero tolerance gun control, regulation of industry to benefit the state, rigorous environmental protection, government-provided health care, government- mandated health and diet programs, bans on homeschooling, mass transit subsidies, state-funded art, activist courts ... does any of that sound familiar to anyone?

Through the early part of the last century, "progressive" and "fascist" were synonyms. So it is in our present century.

Damn that Xylon-B, eh hash?

I believe Hitler also supported abortion, viewing it as an invaluable method of thinning out the non- Aryan populations in the areas the Nazis conquered.
"Oh, so Hitler called himself a Catholic, but he wasn't really one? What makes you the central authority on who is or isn't Catholic. If he said he was one, I'll beleive it."
It's one thing to call yourself a Catholic, or any kind of Christian; Actually acting like one and following Jesus is another story, and Hitler clearly failed to do so. He talked the talk, but he didn't walk the walk.

Besides, aren't we getting off topic here?
Obama can have Ben & Jerry, most of their ice cream sucks now, anyway. Blue Bell is the best ice cream you can get, in spite of its comparatively high price.

"The Nazi party's platform included zero tolerance gun control"

The gun control in Germay, known as the Law on Firearms and Ammunition, was introduced in 1928 under the Weimar government. This law was done precisely to impede that movements as the nazi party could get the power through a state coup. Then the nazi party was forced to focus their activities towards legal elections, delaying the nazi terror at least for a few years. The nazi Weapons Law was dictated 10 years later, in 1938.

"progressive" and "fascist" are terms completely differents, and opposites, in the History of the XX century.

Carlos obviously hasn't read the book. Up until the rise of Hitler, Progressive and Fascist were synonyms. A state-controlled economy and social order were the goals of the American progressive movement, and they saw fascism as a model worthy of emulation to achieve those goals.

V,

Any person can write a book, goldberg included, but his delirious aceptions of the words "fascism" and "progressive" are a nonsense, to pretend link two different things to discredit one of them is a uncouth and boring trick.

"Fascism" and "Progressive" are opposite terms.

- Reich, Wilhelm. The Mass Psychology of Fascism.
- Umberto Eco: Eternal Fascism.

Carlos, perhaps you should read the book. Progressives liked a lot of what fascism was doing. Many quotes in the book from Progressives of the time bear this out.

"cherry garcia" is rolling in his grave...

two words:

haagen dazs!

Carlos, you may not be aware that eugenics arose from the progressive movement. From eugenics to prevent the unfit from breeding to genocide is a hop, skip, and a jump.

There is a radical breach between the progressive thinking of a healthy human life and the degenerate nazi concept of the lebensborn programme.

The Inconvenient Truth of Nazism:

Fascism appealed to youth activists. Indeed, the Nazis and Fascists were in major respects youth movements. In 1931, 60 percent of all German undergraduates supported the Nazi Student Organization. "Their goal," the historian John Toland wrote of the young idealists who fed the Nazi rise to power, "was to establish a youth culture for fighting the bourgeois trinity of school, home and church."

Meanwhile, middle and lower class Germans were attracted to the economic and cultural populism of Nazism. The Nazi party began as the German Worker's Party. The Nazis economic rhetoric was eerily similar to John Edwards "Two Americas" talk. The Nazis promised to clamp down on Big Business - particularly department stores, the Wal-Marts of their day - and end the class struggle. Theodore Abel, an impressively clever American sociologist, gives us insight into why working class Germans were attracted to Nazism. In 1934 Abel took out an ad in the Nazi Party journal asking "old fighters" to submit essays explaining why they had joined. He restricted his request to "old fighters" because so many opportunists had joined the party after Hitler's rise. The essays were combined in the fascinating book Why Hitler Came Into Power. One essayist, a coal miner, explained "Though I was interested in the betterment of the workingman's plight, I rejected [Marxism] unconditionally. I often asked myself why socialism had to be tied up with internationalism-why it could not work as well or better in conjunction with nationalism." A railroad worker concurred, "I shuddered at the thought of Germany in the grip of Bolshevism. The slogan 'Workers of the World Unite!' made no sense to me. At the same time, however, National Socialism, with its promise of a community . . . barring all class struggle, attracted me profoundly." A third worker wrote that he embraced the Nazis because of their "uncompromising will to stamp out the class struggle, snobberies of caste and party hatreds. The movement bore the true message of socialism to the German workingman."

Nazism's appeal to the professional classes was just as strong. Raymond Dominick, a historian specializing in the history of German environmentalism, found that by 1939, 59 percent of conservationist leaders had joined the Nazi party, while only 10 percent of adult males had. Forty five percent of medical doctors had joined and roughly one quarter of teachers and lawyers had. The two groups of professionals with the highest rates of participation in the Nazi Party? Veterinarians were first and foresters were a close second. Dominick found a "unique nexus between National Socialism and nature conservation."

The Nazis and Italian Fascists won-over big business, cultural elites, the youth and the lower-classes because they portrayed themselves as heroically on the side of progress, protecting the environment and the poor. Fascists preached unity, togetherness and an end to division.

V,

It is well known how the nazi party coaxed to the germans.
Exactly what do you mean with your comment?

Exactly what did you mean, Carlos, when you wrote this and then used those two references to back up what you stated?

Any person can write a book, goldberg included, but his delirious aceptions of the words "fascism" and "progressive" are a nonsense, to pretend link two different things to discredit one of them is a uncouth and boring trick.

"Fascism" and "Progressive" are opposite terms.

- Reich, Wilhelm. The Mass Psychology of Fascism.
- Umberto Eco: Eternal Fascism.

The fact is Carlos, the fascists were socialists who believed in a national socialism as opposed to an international socialism and also believed in stateolotry. They took many of their ideas from the American Progressive movement of the time and the American Progressive movement took many of it's ideas from Germany's Bismark. You should really read Liberal Fascism, Carlos. Lot of interesting reading there. Lot of quotes and references. You may want to read it just to "know your enemy. "

Kevin,

"the fascists were socialists who believed in a national socialism as opposed to an international socialism and also believed in stateolotry"

There is a mix of terms and concepts as fascism, communist socialism, and nazism.

The fascism is antisocialist, the etimology and the definition was made by Mussolini himself.
People now can reinterpret the word as they like, but the fascism is esentially antisocialist and that is not going to change. It is two opposite ways of thinking, the fascism rejects the marxist dialectics. The nazism is more similar to the fascism, but not exactly the same, there is no equiparation to the Deutschland uber alles in the fascist thinking.

Americans killed FOUR MILLION Vietnamese?!!! Then we DID win the war!.
Stupid Liberals:
The Vietnamese military and government leaders have SAID PUBLICLY AND IN PRINT that they were ready to SURRENDER in several instances, but the COMMUNIST-BACKED "PEACENIKS" kept their spirits up and with the AMERICAN MEDIA convinced the world that the US was LOSING.
THIS IS WHAT KEPT THE WAR GOING FOR YEARS! IT WAS B*****DS LIKE YOURSELVES WHO ARE RESPONSABLE FOR ANY AND ALL DEATHS AFTER THE TET OFFENCIVE!

AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL AMERICANS

Those of us who seek political solutions based in separatist ideologies are playing into the hands of this current administration and their strategists. Such harsh, scare-tactic partisan focus only helps divert our attention from the real dynamic behind the Bush administration. While under the guise of the Republican Party, this administration is, in point of fact, not representative of any party at all. They are not "neo-cons" nor even normal conservative capitalists. They are here to simply create oportunity where it does not belong. The sole purpose under which this administration operates is obvious...if we would only look:

The singular commonality shared by each and every action of this President has been remarkably consistent and thus predictable. There is a specific and unifying theme which permeates all and everything this administration has done. A moment's focus will reveal it...

It is this:

They seek to: 1) Deregulate and remove government oversight. 2) Privatize subsequent profits. 3) Nationalize all costs and related liability. 4) Allow this trend as designed by the highest paying lobbyists.

There is no domestic nor geopolitical dilemma now facing our once-great nation which escapes this glaring pattern. The war in Iraq itself is destined to be treated by historians as the first pre-emptive use of our military aimed solely at gaining control of foreign natural resources for the exclusive ownership of private multi-national corporations such as Chevron, Exxon and Mobil, each of which set new records in political contributions and lobbying... and in subsequent record profits. In fact, it is only the forced creation of a mandatory Iraqi "constitutional proviso", legalizing the privatization of 1/3 of Iraq's oil fields, which paralyzes the new Iraqi Parliament.

But look closer: The collapse of Enron was subsequent only to the Houston-based Anderson Accounting firm approval of misleading "mark-to-market" accounting principles and further deregulation of energy asset trading. Anderson has been a chief Bush contributor since his first gubernatorial bid. The same energy-asset trading de-regulation paved the way for our current runaway oil and gasoline prices. Such is the same impetus and dynamic behind the disastrous fall of Tyco and WorldCom, only to be mirrored by the current de-regulatory debacle in lending we have now come to know now as Countrywide.

It is only the de-regulation of pharmacy and health insurance which has promulgated run-away healthcare costs currently crippling working families and senior citizens alike. Additional proposed de-regulation is now slated to allow public social security funds to be diverted and subject to stock market investing and conflated projections upon which your benefits will be based. Anti-trust cases and all federal codes have been similarly dismantled as to allow unprecedented mergers and acquisitions to take place like in no other time in recorded history, eliminating free competition and creating a new multitude of secured and controlled markets for a select few...

Likewise, made possible by the pattern of de-regulation, is the current trend towards the hiring illegal aliens as "undocumented Americans" by employers seeking to escape legally protected domestic labor costs. De-regulation has also made possible the new, never-before-seen legality supporting the outsourcing of American jobs. We have likewise seen the unabashed privatization of our roads, schools, prisons...all accomplished on the backs of the lowest earners in our citizenry. And most recently, this privatized pattern has even befallen our military. At current, it is estimated that over 100,000 private mercenaries are at war in Iraq under the employ of Blackwater and thirty-one other private corporations. This is nearly equal to the total US troop deployment - where each of these private mercenaries are paid a six figure salary and are unaccountable to neither civilian nor military tribunal, nor are their losses officially recorded. This, while the CEO of our local Pompano Beach based Point Blank Inc., a leading government contractor in providing body armor for U.S. service personnel, is jailed for skimming over a hundred and forty million in corporate profits.

At onset, this administration removed the checks and balances inherent to American democracy as if in sum, and let it be known they were "open for business" for multinational corporations who seek only to maximize their profits directly from our citizenry. Astonishingly, in just the first year of the Bush presidency, both the number and salaries of lobbyists in Washington had more than doubled. This equates to a quadrupling of corporate spending in corporate and multi-national lobbyism. For that is their charge. This is where corporations will spend their money: on an administration who shares their interests which are diametrically opposed to those of our middle class. Corporations have a legal responsibility to maximize profits for their shareholders. They create jobs only when demand for products is strong enough to mandate the liability of hiring. This why "job creation through trickle-down economics" is perhaps the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against the American people. Related tax breaks and subsidies went straight to corporate bottom lines while record profits were posted - without fail. But for one example, the very same year which Kraft Foods, the countries largest food producer, posted record profits, they also announced the company's largest layoff in thier eighty year history. Their stock skyrocketed and split.

To facilitate this wholesale design of the Bush administration and their multi-faceted plan, our once advanced and democratic regulatory machinery put in place to protect the middle class from this specific dynamic has been systematically attacked and shut down. It had to be. For this administration's plan, by definition, is clearly an all-or-none proposition. Neither the Supreme Court, the FCC, FEMA, the Justice Department, the CIA, nor even the EPA nor FDA, nor especially the Consumer Protection Commission could be left standing independently as we once knew it, for any one of these agencies once allowed to remain intact could hinder this administration's design towards raw, unfettered capitalism aimed only at maximized private profiteering at all and any cost. Thus we entered the era of the "crony appointment". Political hack Justices in the highest court. "Brownie" at Fema. Colin Powel's son actually Chairing the FCC without a shred of related experience. A mere Lobbyist's wife heading the FDA. The CIA and Justice Department both muddled into the "Office of Homeland Security".

Yes, it was done at all and any cost. As if this was not enough, to facilitate this plan, it became further necessary to deliberately mislead an entire country into war. It became necessary to oust a top level CIA operative engaged at the highest conceivable security levels to gain intelligence on Iraqi and Iranian WMD programs. It became necessary to cost American service men and women their very lives under false pretense. It became necessary to double the national debt and mortgage all of us to Communist China. And those who stood by and seemingly supported this trend suddenly wanted theirs too. Thus by further de-regulation of health care and insurance practices it became necessary to cause our citizens to now choose between health - and life - and basic fiscal liquidity. Too loose their jobs overseas and to cheap foreign labor. To pay three days wages to fuel their cars each and every month. To sign on to inequitable lending agreements in a futile attempt to somehow still attain the "American Dream" which almost no one could any longer afford without "gimmick" lending.... a previously illegal predatory lending practice whose horrific impact we have yet to truly realize... as the current housing market crisis teeters all of us ever closer to the brink of fiscal abyss. In horrible truth, this administration could not cause any greater harm to this country and it's citizens if they were to commandeer a 727 and fly directly it into the Capitol Building themselves.

THE ANSWER...

The last bastion of hope - our only collective chance as a people - is YOUR independent and eclectic open mind. Your new responsibility is to step above the fray of partisan "anti-liberal", "anti-gay", "anti-terrorist" dogmatic hate mongering of the so-called "religious right"... and just follow the money. Put your eyes on your collective wallets where they belong. For that's what they're after. And it is only their diversionary propaganda which allows them to persist. This is precisely why they have Rupert Murdock's Fox News to browbeat all of us with slanted editorials seemingly aimed at espousing only that Bernard Shaw, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Lou Dobbs, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, George Clooney, Tom Hanks, Robert Redford, Michael J. Fox, Louis Black, George Carlin, along with nearly every tenured university professor in the country... and the many other journalists and best creative minds in our land...are all somehow collectively wrong. And with this... they call themselves "The Anti-Spin Zone". They repeat incessant mantras like "We Report, You Decide" or "Fair and Balanced". Could you even imagine Walter Cronkite saying such a thing? Just who are they trying to convince?

You.

The answer is to stop looking to where they divert your gaze. Forget fearing queers. Forget labels such as "liberal". Forget all the hot button issues like "abortion" and "flag burning". They mean nothing. You're being played. Just watch the money.

And protect it for yourselves as citizens.

The answer will then reveal itself. And it will reveal itself as the perfect antithesis of what the thieves desire. Want to stop another Enron, or WorldCom, or Tyco, or Countrywide? THEN PASS APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS. Want to maintain important public assets like your military, your roads and your schools? THEN DON'T LET THEM BE PRIVATIZED. Want to hold corporations accountable and restore American Democracy as well as our national credibility overseas?

THEN STOP LOBBYISM.

VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bruce,
Enron started festering under slick willies watch. But it's nice to know that obaba's supporters are socialists.

You are highly selective in your fact structure:

First, Enron problems started in Texas with Anderson Accounting, who also were deeply intertwined with the Bush family. Whoever the President was at the time, Skilling was hugging embracing George W. at their family cookuots long before. Watch the freakin' video. It's all over Youtube.

You know, they didn't call it "Socialism" when we took over our entire manufacturing base in WWII to crank out the B-17's my father flew over Germany while earning the Air Medal and Bronze Star. Nor when we did the same to produce Sherman tanks. They didn't call it "Socialsm" when we bailed out Chrysler in the 1970's. They didn't call it "Socialsm" when taxpayers had to pick up the bill for the GOP inspired junk bond market collapse in the 1980's. You don't call it "Socialsm" now that the biggest recipient of government subsidy is Chevron. You don't call it "Socialsm" when we use our military to secure resources for private oil companies. And I bet you won't call it "socialism" when the final numbers come out revealing the cost of Bush's lending dergegulation and the billions needed to bail out Countrywide and others through tax credits to investors.

It's not "capitalism" when working American families pay $750 a month per person per month on average for Health Care coverage. This while Big Pharm and Big Med post record profits. To the average person, that's a mortgage. That's two car payments. That's disposable income that would help Middle America directly and immediately. That's HUGE. And it's a spiraling cost we have never seen before due directly to Bush de-regulation.

Another prime example is the Bush/Cheney/Rice energy trading deregulation and the control of crude refinery by those who benefit from shortages. Pop Quiz: What happens to oil supply when you wage a war in the country with the third largest oil reserve? Forget if I'm Democrat, Republican, or Martian. What does common logic mandate will happen? Did you know Rice is a former Cheveron Board member with a supertanker named after her? Did you know George sr. is the highest paid "consultant" of the House of Saudi?

Karl Marx predicted ominously that "capitalism would destroy itself from the inside out". Marx coined the term "capitalist imperialism" which is where Bush has taken us. You and yours have given the socialist my father faught new credence.

Thanks Alot.

That's all this administration does: DEREGULATE. They destroy the rules that protect us as their big business, multi-national constituents demand - solely to increase their profits - with complete disregard for the common good. The overt and glaring examples for the need for regulation abound. Energy Costs. Enron. Tyco. World Com. Now we have Countrywide Lending. All because of Bush de-regulation. That's exactly what government is supposed to prevent.

Rules and regulations to protect the middle class and your children from corporate created liabilities and debt are not "socialist".

Do the country a favor and rethink your OBVIOULSLY AND REPEATEDLY failed policies. Be an American. Be brave like my Dad. Belly up to your fears and do what's Christian and Right for the people of America whom you should put first before your unfounded and archaic biases.

VOTE OBAMA!!!!

You are highly selective in your fact structure:

First, Enron problems started in Texas with Anderson Accounting, who also were deeply intertwined with the Bush family. Whoever the President was at the time, Skilling was hugging embracing George W. at their family cookuots long before. Watch the freakin' video. It's all over Youtube.

You know, they didn't call it "Socialism" when we took over our entire manufacturing base in WWII to crank out the B-17's my father flew over Germany while earning the Air Medal and Bronze Star. Nor when we did the same to produce Sherman tanks. They didn't call it "Socialsm" when we bailed out Chrysler in the 1970's. They didn't call it "Socialsm" when taxpayers had to pick up the bill for the GOP inspired junk bond market collapse in the 1980's. You don't call it "Socialsm" now that the biggest recipient of government subsidy is Chevron. You don't call it "Socialsm" when we use our military to secure resources for private oil companies. And I bet you won't call it "socialism" when the final numbers come out revealing the cost of Bush's lending dergegulation and the billions needed to bail out Countrywide and others through tax credits to investors.

It's not "capitalism" when working American families pay $750 a month per person per month on average for Health Care coverage. This while Big Pharm and Big Med post record profits. To the average person, that's a mortgage. That's two car payments. That's disposable income that would help Middle America directly and immediately. That's HUGE. And it's a spiraling cost we have never seen before due directly to Bush de-regulation.

Another prime example is the Bush/Cheney/Rice energy trading deregulation and the control of crude refinery by those who benefit from shortages. Pop Quiz: What happens to oil supply when you wage a war in the country with the third largest oil reserve? Forget if I'm Democrat, Republican, or Martian. What does common logic mandate will happen? Did you know Rice is a former Cheveron Board member with a supertanker named after her? Did you know George sr. is the highest paid "consultant" of the House of Saudi?

Karl Marx predicted ominously that "capitalism would destroy itself from the inside out". Marx coined the term "capitalist imperialism" which is where Bush has taken us. You and yours have given the socialist my father faught new credence.

Thanks Alot.

That's all this administration does: DEREGULATE. They destroy the rules that protect us as their big business, multi-national constituents demand - solely to increase their profits - with complete disregard for the common good. The overt and glaring examples for the need for regulation abound. Energy Costs. Enron. Tyco. World Com. Now we have Countrywide Lending. All because of Bush de-regulation. That's exactly what government is supposed to prevent.

Rules and regulations to protect the middle class and your children from corporate created liabilities and debt are not "socialist".

Do the country a favor and rethink your OBVIOULSLY AND REPEATEDLY failed policies. Be an American. Be brave like my Dad. Belly up to your fears and do what's Christian and Right for the people of America whom you should put first before your unfounded and archaic biases.

VOTE OBAMA!!!!