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Judge WOODCOCK? Youve got to be kidding. Must be a member of NAMBLA.

Woodcock. Heh heh. Heh heh. Heh heh heh.

Well, the judge was not lying. In his eyes it is progress, although progress for them is destruction of all that is right and natural. I have read reports that state that homosexual parents don't necessarily raise homosexual kids, yet in my experience as a juvenile delinquent counselor that was not the case. Gay parents had gay kids, every time.

But yes, the bottom line is to smear the line. Break down any boundaries between right and wrong.

I really hate it when people use buzzwords like "progress" to legitimize a wrong point of view.

Yes, foster care is so much cheaper and the quality of the "parents" is superior...

Troll alert! Troll alert!

What's wrong manassfanatic? You were hatched by a male and female,whatever. Do you hate your parents because you didn't have two daddies?

It's progress to the extinction of humanity, beginnign with its moral fibre.

Anyone remember how a 'progressive' two-mom family whacked their son to death for calling it a two-mom family?

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/lesbians_guilty.htm

God forgive me, but i would have an abortion before i'd turn my unborn over to a same sex couple - of course i jest - i would practice safe sex or abstinence in lieu of this soon to be monstrosity in the mental health field (once these children are grown...)

What is this strange page? Are real the comments here?
This sounds as a surrealistic joke. Are you really so foolish?

"to acquire school-age sex slaves"
Do not you feel shame saying things like this?

""to acquire school-age sex slaves"
Do not you feel shame saying things like this?"

Carlos, in at least ONE case, a pair of homosexual men who ran a foster home were convicted of sexually abusing their charges.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS HAPPENS IN EVERY CASE, I AM SAYING THAT IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.

ummm kharn? How many cases of "heterosexual" people molesting children under their care have you heard? bet it's more than one.

Better hurry Carlo,ICE is on your ass. Now scurry back across the border like a good hildalib.

Dear farmer Te,

My name is Carlos, not Carlo, there is no borders in the Schengen states.

Are you always so dunce?

"Anonymous at January 11, 2008 1:48 PM"

Read the capitalised words.
I COULD have listed ALL the cases that have been made public, but I have to make a living and can't spend DAYS in research and postiing.
As for heterosexual abuse of children, please point out where I wrote in my post (Or hinted at) that there were no cases. The subject of we were discussing WAS NOT herterosexual abuse, but HOMOSEXUAL abuse, so your statement is as relvant as saying "I have a pony, SO THERE!"

Anoymous
Are you suggesting by your responce that because "hets" abuse children it's somehow OK for GAYS to do so?
OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT!!
So why did you even bring it up?

Kharn,

I do have a pony for you...

"The subject of we were discussing WAS NOT herterosexual abuse, but HOMOSEXUAL abuse"

Why do you do that difference between abuses?
Is it worst one than other one?
The problem is the abuse of children, not the sexual orientation of the offender, but if you want pay your attention in this last one, then it is legitime and relevant that Anonymous remarks the very different numbers of offence according the sexual orientation.

Then we could say that for the children the adoption by homosexuals is safer than by heterosexuals.

Does anybody want to refute it?

What statistics are you referring to?

Anywyas, homosexual abuse is worse for males.

Most men do not want to be on the receiving end of things. That is much more grave violation and a more traumatic experience for that reason.

Neither is good, but you brought up the point.

"homosexual abuse is worse for males."

I feel I can not completely agree."Most men do not want to be on the receiving end of things.", and most of women do no want be treated in the same way, nor the homosexual men want to be victims.
The problems is not the physical act, but the violence, the use of the force, the psychological feeling of to be undefended.

We can not say something is more traumatic for a sex than for the another one, or that an homosexual abuse is worse than the heterosexual one. There is males what can forget an homo or hetero abuse and go on with his life, there is women that can do the same, there is persons, men and women, with the same experience, that never will forget it and it will be a traume for all their lives.
Each person is a world, irrelevantly of his sex or sexual orientation, that they can overcome an traumatic abuse, it will depend more of their strongness or weakness of character, their ages,etc... than by their sex or the characteristics of the offence.

I did visit your page, I do not agree with exactly all you say, but you have a interesting page.

Thanks for stopping by my homestead.

Like I said, being violated in any case is bad. How you cannot see that a male is not doubly violated because he does not identify with being sexually penetrated I cannot understand.

These acts are both sexual assaults and attacks on sexual identity. The psychological scar is much deeper.

That is because you identify the male sexual identity with the male anal integrity. That is ok for you but not true for many other people.
There is many heterosexual men that like to be penetrated or anally caressed by their women, and this is not traumatic nor an attack on their sexual identity, but something freely wished.

The problem in an assault is implicit in the name, it is the abuse, to be forced to do something that you do not wish to do, this is the traumatic. A young girl forced feel the same pain that a young man, it does not depend on the abuse, but another factors, essentially the age, if a 18 years-old man is anally forced, it is probable he is not going to be so traumatized as if a 8 years-old girl suffers the same abuse.

"The psychological scar is much deeper (in the male abuse)."
That can be ok in hypothesis, in the reality, you will see how that hypothesis is contradicted by the facts, in a never easily predictable way.

The practice that you describe is clearly not normal and would be utterly alien to most of the people who comment here and those in every day society.

I dont disagree that there probably are some heterosexuals that engage in the practice, but many of them would be bisexual. It would be impossible to measure statistics on the subject because bisexual men are often identified as heterosexual due to the fact that many of them date primarily women and also because of our society's beliefs they often identify themselves as heterosexual. As a long time punk rocker I am quite familiar with the “ins and outs” of the scene. In any case, it’s not normal in practice (not that there’s anything wrong with it) and carries one hell of a social stigma.

If you are homosexual, I understand your point of view and sympathize that you would feel that gay adoption is indeed progress.

You should also understand the majority heterosexual point of view. Our species is endowed with survival instincts that motivate us to frown upon homosexuality. It is a natural reaction. I know the whole concept that homosexuality is natural in the animal kingdom, but so is cancer and lemmings also follow their instincts to commit suicide. Sometimes the mechanisms of life break down. But to make my stance clear because it would be unfair to be attacked as a homophobe for honestly discussing the issue, I feel that homosexuality is harmless and modern science can even negate the reasons for our species natural aversion to it.

At the same time I abhor Farmer Ted’s rants against you, but keep in mind that comments like his are frustrated responses to the many trolls that come to this blog and antagonize them. Most of the commentators here are decent people, but drive by troll attacks serve to cheapen the debate. It is easy to anonymously drop by with an unfair one-liner and piss off the readers of this blog. That happens all the time. Retaliation is a natural response and I wish there was an answer to the issue without excessive moderation, which I do not advocate (but still feel that this blog does not control its comments enough).

"The practice that you describe is clearly not normal"
I do think any thing freely admitted between two persons is a normal thing, the abnormal one is when somebody forces another person to do something not wished or impede to do something wished. That is the only golden rule.

"and would be utterly alien to most of the people who comment here and those in every day society."

The most of the people who comment here, I would say they belong to a very specific part of the society, I do think many of the every day society do not share much of the way of thinking that is normal here.

If you take the heterosexual people that likes anal sex, you add the homosexual people that likes the same, you remove the homosexual people that dislike anal sex, and you add the part of the every day society that does not support it in public but they do it in private, then you have a important percentage of the society doing something that is presupposed to be not normal.

"I know the whole concept that homosexuality is natural in the animal kingdom, but so is cancer and lemmings also follow their instincts to commit suicide."

I do think the cancer is something that kills a person, I do not think the homosexuality have killed never a society in the last 5000 years, but a part of the society have killed many homosexual persons, pressuring to homosexual young boys and girls, and leaving them with the same options and the same fate what a lemming has.
If we fight against the cancer in a person extirpating the bad cells, I do think we should to do the same thing in a society, extirpating the bad cells that cause suffering and death to another cells.

About Farmer Ted, I do thank you very much your support, you have been the only one in this page to say me a words about him, thank you again, I want not to judge somebody for a few written lines, but I do think his words are a mirror of the kind of person that he is. I did not completely understand his rant because it is the first time that somebody says me a such delirious thing and I did not know what ICE is (now I know it), and what a hildalib is (still I do not know what it is, but I can infer it by the context of his words).

Ted, just I want to say you, that my side of the border is any place where you are not in, I do not know what happens in the USmexico border (I do live in a part of the world where we are removing borders) but I do to take the side of a people that have to suffer the impertinences of somebody as you. As Freedom says, I do hope you are a decent person that just had a bad saying.

Cheers Carlos. I'll see you around.