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We'll have to remember this "tactic" the next time Michael Moore or Al Gore releases a movie.

But why should American networks furnish free promotion and advertising to neocons who CLAIM to be patriotic?

One word: CRAP.

Troll alert! Troll alert!

Hashfanatic,

"But why should American networks furnish free promotion and advertising..."

You must be smoking way too much. No one is asking for "free promotion and advertising". They are asking for their free speech rights not to be trampled. Period.

Go back to your hash pipe fantasies while we discuss reality.

The 'search' feature is broken on here. The site CRAAAWLS along, too.

Nonsense. In no way are our American courts obliged to provide neocons with sounding boards to further destroy the fabric of this nation for benefit of others.

I assure you, those days will soon be over.

hashfanatic: High on ignorance and stupidity. And remember, neocon is leftist code for Jew.

And this affects me how, Steve?

If the Bolshevik fits, you are free to wear it.

Steve,

The troll lives to be obtuse. I never should have fed him in the first place.

hashfanatic, you are without a doubt a complete dumbshit. The government CANNOT restrict political speech, which the trailer for this movie would be considered (as well as being defined as 'entertainment'.) That is what the 1st Amendment guarantees. Why they have even been arguing before a court and not telling the Judge to go fuck himself, I don't understand.

Err...that should be Judges.

The constitution is a few simple (And I do mean simple, why our law code is the nightmare it is is unbelievable) words. Read it. The go read the Federalist papers and see what those guys meant. It's really simple. Hash is so...1970's.

The troll affirms that the left believes that speech with which they disagree should be censored. Hence, their support for the 'Fairness' Doctrine. Also, why they cheered Hugo Chavez when he shut down the opposition press.

That looks like a pretty good movie.

No one on the left wants to hear the truth about Hillary Clinton. They would prefer media and press controls reminiscient of the Soviet Union and modern day Venezuela.

the moonbat stated it best when it said these days will soon be over if they take charge - they'd love nothing more than to have NO dissenting voices.

if the shemale gets into office this go round, i'll meet you at the gulags!

she is marx in drag.

have the producers set up a political fund yet? I'll contribute.

hashfanatic,

"Nonsense. In no way are our American courts obliged to provide neocons with sounding boards to further destroy the fabric of this nation for benefit of others."

That looks like a case of projection. Unless we stop the fascists on the left who want to censor those they disagree with the fabric of this nation will be destroyed.
Our American courts are obligated to protect the free speech right of all Americans, not just the voices coming from a leftist echo chamber.

steve (not Steve)

So, if as she says, all the dirt on her is old already out there, why would anyone have a problem with this movie?

"But why should American networks furnish free promotion and advertising to neocons who CLAIM to be patriotic?"

Hash, those ads have to be PAID FOR, they are not "free".

"Nonsense. In no way are our American courts obliged to provide neocons with sounding boards to further destroy the fabric of this nation for benefit of others."

But you think that the courts MUST provide that for YOUR KIND, right?

"I assure you, those days will soon be over."

Still fighting Lennin's "world revolution" I see. I've heard threats of the comming communist revolution since the SIXTIES, in movies dating back to the THIRTIES and I read it in books from the TWENTIES. What's the hold up, COMRADE?

Get out of here,commie, before I put a hole in yer Hammer & Sickle tattoo with my 44!

It is most certainly NOT a movie, it is campaign advertising, and needs to be treated as such, despite neocon wiles and manipulations.

I detest Hillary but this is no movie, this is filth and propaganda, and, in fact, charges should be levelled and fines levied at the purveyors of it.

It should NOT come down to a lawsuit.

The courts need to nip all of this fake interference and suppression of democracy and the American way right in the bud.

"this is filth and propaganda

Bowling For Columbine
Farenheit 911
Sicko
Lions For Lambs
Redacted
etc.

yeah

Ha Haa Haaaaa!!!!!!!

No, their point of view is that its OK for Liberals. They feel that the NeoCons are the modern Jews and must be exterminated.

Hey Hash, I love those Jews. What do you think about that Jewish lobby? Tell us more about how you feel about them.

"...I love those Jews..."

I'm sure you do. I prefer America, and Americans...

Such preferences have other names...

They are watching you...

Ooooooohhh...

You are such a slave, "freedom".

You might as well be shackled to a tree.

Jews are very liberal. Their culture is hostile to fascism. It would be nice to be raised by a Jewish family and absorb the beautiful ideals of their culture and institutions. Many of them turn out to be leftwing radical liberals due to their liberal traditions, but overall its worth it. Freedom is an open door.

But I am not a slave to Neo-Nazi and Islamist ideology.

Learning from an infancy that is your religious duty to kill Jews is not very enlightened. That defines being shackled to a tree of ignorance.

"Jews are very liberal."

Wrong. The ones that count, the ones currently pulling the strings, the ones with any real power are all far-right extremist radicals by any standard, and the few liberals with power permitted to exist are completely dominated by the hawkish elements, that have thoroughly infilitrated OUR government, and PNAC proved that.

Read the "patriotic" statements toward America on conservatard Jewish blogs and Kahanist message boards, in the wake of Bush's acknowledgement of a Palestinian right-of-return, and you will soon understand that America has NO "friends" or "allies" in the Middle East, no matter how hard our one-party system continues to wish them into existence.

The fear of being called "self-hating" and the guilt of the Holocaust is what the neocons of all the nations use to keep the majority of liberal Jews in line on issues considered critical to the survival of the Jewish people and the current state of Israel, over American and even world interests.

"Their culture is hostile to fascism."

Are you referring to assimilated American Jews whose loyalty is to America first, and then Israel?

Or are you referring to the concept of "Eretz Yisroel" (Greater Israel) and its adherents?

There is a difference.

"It would be nice to be raised by a Jewish family and absorb the beautiful ideals of their culture and institutions."

And it would be nice to be a snow-white rabbit, frolicking on a dewy, green lawn in the springtime, but you are not a rabbit and you are who you are.

If you feel compelled to explore Torah observance or even a good pastrami sandwich at a Jewish-style delicatessen, by all means, go ahead, eat, eat!

If you want to become a ger (convert to Judaism), fine, you will find halachic authorities who will make it happen for you. You'll never be accepted by the klal (people of Israel), because they are careful for their own self-preservation and the religion itself, as well as Torah-observant culture, is actually extremely exclusive and insular, and it is that way because they are interested in their own self-survival and obsessed with purity of their bloodlines.

If this appeals to you, what part of it does not correspond PRECISELY to actual neo-nazi theology, nor is Israel's methods of torture and cruelty to their neighbors (and, in the case of the Gush Katif expellees and the residents of Sderot), even their own people?

And what part of all of this squares with YOUR own birthright and identity of what it means to be an American?

"Learning from an infancy that is your religious duty to kill Jews is not very enlightened. That defines being shackled to a tree of ignorance."

I believe this as well, and I don't know a single American who wouldn't agree with this statement.

But we've had this worked out for YEARS now.

And it is in no way antisemitic to point out the fact that no "Islamofascist" terrorist could EVER destroy our land or our way of life, and Muslims in general are not represented in any great number in positions of power in American government, American media, American politics, and essential American institutions, proving this, whereas Jews and the Israel lobby ARE, which makes it an important factor to monitor and act upon in maintaining our own culture, traditions, laws, and self-determination of OUR future.

Whether it is politically correct or not.

You should be loyal to America's interests first.

If Israel's hands were not tied by the obligations that American money and "gifts" of our top military technologies that should be used to secure our OWN strategic initiatives and borders, Israel would be quite capable of handling its own security issues on its own.

"Jews are very liberal."

Wrong. The ones that count, the ones currently pulling the strings, the ones with any real power are all far-right extremist radicals by any standard, and the few liberals with power permitted to exist are completely dominated by the hawkish elements, that have thoroughly infilitrated OUR government, and PNAC proved that.

Read the "patriotic" statements toward America on conservatard Jewish blogs and Kahanist message boards, in the wake of Bush's acknowledgement of a Palestinian right-of-return, and you will soon understand that America has NO "friends" or "allies" in the Middle East, no matter how hard our one-party system continues to wish them into existence.

The fear of being called "self-hating" and the guilt of the Holocaust is what the neocons of all the nations use to keep the majority of liberal Jews in line on issues considered critical to the survival of the Jewish people and the current state of Israel, over American and even world interests.

"Their culture is hostile to fascism."

Are you referring to assimilated American Jews whose loyalty is to America first, and then Israel?

Or are you referring to the concept of "Eretz Yisroel" (Greater Israel) and its adherents?

There is a difference.

"It would be nice to be raised by a Jewish family and absorb the beautiful ideals of their culture and institutions."

And it would be nice to be a snow-white rabbit, frolicking on a dewy, green lawn in the springtime, but you are not a rabbit and you are who you are.

If you feel compelled to explore Torah observance or even a good pastrami sandwich at a Jewish-style delicatessen, by all means, go ahead, eat, eat!

If you want to become a ger (convert to Judaism), fine, you will find halachic authorities who will make it happen for you. You'll never be accepted by the klal (people of Israel), because they are careful for their own self-preservation and the religion itself, as well as Torah-observant culture, is actually extremely exclusive and insular, and it is that way because they are interested in their own self-survival and obsessed with purity of their bloodlines.

If this appeals to you, what part of it does not correspond PRECISELY to actual neo-nazi theology, nor is Israel's methods of torture and cruelty to their neighbors (and, in the case of the Gush Katif expellees and the residents of Sderot), even their own people?

And what part of all of this squares with YOUR own birthright and identity of what it means to be an American?

"Learning from an infancy that is your religious duty to kill Jews is not very enlightened. That defines being shackled to a tree of ignorance."

I believe this as well, and I don't know a single American who wouldn't agree with this statement.

But we've had this worked out for YEARS now.

And it is in no way antisemitic to point out the fact that no "Islamofascist" terrorist could EVER destroy our land or our way of life, and Muslims in general are not represented in any great number in positions of power in American government, American media, American politics, and essential American institutions, proving this, whereas Jews and the Israel lobby ARE, which makes it an important factor to monitor and act upon in maintaining our own culture, traditions, laws, and self-determination of OUR future.

Whether it is politically correct or not.

You should be loyal to America's interests first.

If Israel's hands were not tied by the obligations that American money and "gifts" of our top military technologies that should be used to secure our OWN strategic initiatives and borders, Israel would be quite capable of handling its own security issues on its own.

You can’t take the exceptions to the rule and make them the rule. My early childhood was spent in a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn and then I moved to a predominately black neighborhood in Queens where I was bussed as a part of the integration-bussing program to a Jewish neighborhood in that borough.

I am very familiar with Jewish culture and know what I am talking about. But as an atheist there is no chance that I would ever seriously think about converting. I just admire their culture.

It is no coincidence that Jews took an active part in the Civil Rights Movement. The fact that they were killed fighting for the rights of southern blacks speaks volumes of their sacrifice. This stems from their very liberal beliefs about education, welfare and other social issues.

The modern state of Israel was co-founded by extreme leftwing Socialists. The Kibbutz system was a dominant part of Israeli life for years. They were collective communities that frowned upon private property. If Russians didn’t have such a strong pogrom-fueled anti-Semitism, the Soviets and Israel could have been close allies (however, Stalin’s notorious jealousy might have derailed such prospects as well).

Today in Israel many leftwing Israelis support the state. That doesn’t make them extremist far right-wingers. On social issues they are extremely left of center. Just the same, I support what I consider to be pro-American policies and I am not a rightwing extremist. In any case, a far rightwing extremist is a Neo-Nazi or racist PaleoConservative Isolationist. America First was a poor excuse for sympathy for the Nazis. Even Charles Lindbergh came to realize that.

Although it is not entirely impossible that Islamofascists can destroy America, that is not my point. I don’t see what that has to do with my arguments. You assumed a bit too much about me. I deduced that you despise Israel, but didn’t assume without asking you first to be sure. At least I give you the courtesy of not jumping to conclusions. From your arguments my personal belief is that you are anti-Semitic, but I refrain from directly using that term because it would upset you.

To say that I should be loyal to America’s interests first is so typical in these debates. While those that support our Iraqi allies are often accused of unfair attacks on their critics’ patriotism, I find that the first people to question patriotism are those same haters who attack us. After all you have already called me a traitor in other comments. It is very fascinating.

"My early childhood was spent in a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn and then I moved to a predominately black neighborhood in Queens where I was bussed as a part of the integration-bussing program to a Jewish neighborhood in that borough."

Same here...Flatbush/Brownsville/Canarsie, during the tumult (and, for the record, I oppose busing and am a proponent of neighborhood schools..)

You don't just "absorb" Jewish culture. The religion is largely practiced in the home, and you really don't get a sense of attitudes, cultural norms, etc., even amongst the assimilated.

"The modern state of Israel was co-founded by extreme leftwing Socialists. The Kibbutz system was a dominant part of Israeli life for years. They were collective communities that frowned upon private property. If Russians didn’t have such a strong pogrom-fueled anti-Semitism, the Soviets and Israel could have been close allies (however, Stalin’s notorious jealousy might have derailed such prospects as well)."

You're looking at it from too much of a perspective that it rooted in the past. The kibbutzim are almost gone now, and, yes, there is a strong leftist contingent that has political power that could almost be called out of proportion to Israelis who actually hold those views, but the same is true of the religious Zionists, war hawks, and Kahanist radicals combined.

It is a VERY dangerous situation there right now.

I'm not sure why you categorized paleoconservative isolationists as racist, particularly because they generally favor an across-the-board noninterventionist policy that treats the other nations equally.

"I deduced that you despise Israel, but didn’t assume without asking you first to be sure."

I despise the Israeli GOVERNMENT and Olmert in particular for his wormy way of never standing up for his own people. I despise the Israel lobby in AMERICA and the disproportionate amount of influence they wield, and I despise American neoconservatives for kowtowing to Israeli and Jewish interests, taking sides in Middle East affairs, and placing the interests of a small minority of Americans over those of everyone else.

I despise the artificiality of the false alliances created through PNAC, and the current and future losses of American life through these artificial alliances.

I despise the fact that fanatical Jewish terrorist factions who bombed buildings in the 70s literally in the shadow of the World Trade Center, and these crimes have been largely forgotten and glossed over by the right.

Being categorized as an "antisemite" by another American on a right-wing American board surprises me not in the least, indeed, the slur is tossed around so lightly and so meaninglessly it has lost its power.

If I must be slandered for the freedom to express my views in the land of my birth simply because I dare direct them at protected peoples or classes, then by all means let the arrows fly, because my liberty is worth it.

And a patriot and a loyalist are two entirely different things, FN.

Hey I'm from Boro Park. Its a small world!

I did frame the Kibbutz movement as mostly a past event in my comment, but the point is that Israel was a very leftwing country and still is. They are a Democratic Socialist nation. The Labor Zionist Movement dominated the re-establishment of the Israeli state and for decades afterwards. Its no mistake that prominent leftwing radicals like Marx, Trotsky and Chomsky came from Jewish families.

In any case, dont forget the good work done by Jews like Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. They gave their lives for the Civil Rights Movement.

The reason I mentioned the anti-Semitic thing was not to accuse you, but to illustrate the restraint that I show towards you, but you do not show to me. Its not my business if you are anti-Semitic or not. That is something that you have to deal with. I give you the consideration not to rub it in and drag the conversation into the ground. But you go around calling me the enemy and using fake aliases.

"In any case, dont forget the good work done by Jews like Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. They gave their lives for the Civil Rights Movement."

Yeah, but I'd like to point out that that was over forty years ago. What have they done for us lately?

"but to illustrate the restraint that I show towards you..."

That's ridiculous. I have neither "shown restraint" toward you, nor I have said anything to deliberately antagonize you, either.

These are my views.

There's no reason to "show" any "restraint" toward me, that you may feel you HAVE shown. I prefer the truth straight between the eyes, and the posts and comments on this blog are almost universally hateful and offensive to any non-marginal.

If you do not believe that the left and right in America has not degenerated from being one another 's opposition to pure disgust and hatred, you're hiding your head in the sand.

There's absolutely nothing inappropriate about referring to you as the enemy when you have set yourself a course that guarantees my nation's total destruction and endless pain and misery for its people.

I don't care WHO you are. I care about what you DO, and the policies you support.

And, no, FN, I do not use fake aliases, here or anywhere else, so you can put that little theory to bed.

Whatever floats your boat is something you have to deal with, but when you call me a traitor and the enemy it only reaffirms that it is really self-proclaimed "dissenters" that cheapen the debate and are divisive.

At least you addressed this comment to me and not yourself.

How can you call for "dissenters" to disappear and then turn around and call what you do "debate"?

As for your "multiple alias" theory, "Van Helsing" has already put your fever dreams to bed within the comments on the Coulter thread, so I consider the matter closed and would advise you to give your natural paranoid and whiny nature a rest.

Hashfan has already admitted his or her mistake that he or she accidentally addressed his or her comment to him or herself (you see I dont assume things very lightly). So my mistake was completely understandable, however it was still a wrongful accusation.

I have apologized in two other places, but I will be happy to apologize once again. Sorry Hash!

In any case, I never said that I want 'dissenters' to disappear. You made that up. I believe in the values of the Republic and hope that 'dissent' strengths our country because we do not oppress the freedom of speech. On the other hand, I also have the freedom of speech to speak out as well. Its not a one-sided affair that you can protect the freedom of speech for only one point of view.

Now there is something I have to ask you...

You completely agreed with this comment;

"It wasn't MEANT to be "everybody's country." The Founding Fathers and Americans used to share the belief that America was the product of European civilization-which IT IS. Diversity IS NOT STRENGTH. I know that according to modern PC standards, white people are not allowed to have countries or places to call their own, but that's because cowardly white people won't stand up for their own civilization. America is not and never will be a universal nation for everybody because that isn't possible. Whites are fleeing the immigrant dominated sections of the country for the interior and major sociologists like Putnam now admit that racial diversity essentially destroys the sense of community that freedom needs to flourish. White's are under assault and they need to wise up."

How far are you willing to go to protect the white race?

FN, you said in your previous point:

"Whatever floats your boat is something you have to deal with, but when you call me a traitor and the enemy it only reaffirms that it is really self-proclaimed "dissenters" that cheapen the debate and are divisive."

The problem with your opinion in this case is that you have clearly stated that dissenters "cheapen the debate and are divisive", which would seem to indicate "the debate" would be better off without them.

"How far are you willing to go to protect the white race?"

Hate to disappoint you, but, no, I am not Timothy McVeigh, risen from the dead.

Sorry!

Hash,

I have the right to my opinion as much as you have a right to yours. If I say that you cheapen the debate when you call me a traitor or the enemy then thats my opinion. By expressing that opinion I did not argue that I want to get rid of you. You made that up yourself.

Using your twisted rationalization one person can never tell another person that their argument is flawed without implying that they would be better off without that person. Youre grasping at straws here.

It does interest me that you support pro-segregation viewpoints while complaining that the commentators at this blog are intolerant of Muslims. The way you rationalize these conflicting ideas is fascinating.