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LOL. I think they are flying the flag wrong side up.

It's the right way up for LGBT, which is a reverse of the way other groups use the rainbow flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_%28LGBT_movement%29

But then, they're whole notion of what is natural and correct is upside down in the first place.

This is crazy. Remind me not to get a blood transfusion.

I am a blood banker. The testing on blood now is phenomenally sophisticated and safe, but very expensive. Were it not for the sodomites we wouldn't have the AIDS scourge and all the other sexually transmitted diseases (especially hepatitis) for which we must so heavily pay in terms of life and $$. Perhaps San Jose Univ. staff no longer require blood transfusions? The blood supplier for their local hospital should require all university staff to sign away their rights to any blood components until their idiotic amoral prez is canned.

I don't see the blood ban on gays as discrimination. I only say this because the Red Cross got burned hard in the late 70's when organized civic minded gay people gave blood.

Fellowes, I just shake my head at how you want to cast blame on gays for this. I blame Columbus for syphilis. Lets ban ocean crossing vessels.

Fellowes, I just shake my head at how you want to cast blame on gays for this.

The incidence of HIV positive individuals is highest by far among gay men. This is due to several reasons:

1) The free sex and multiple partners in the gay swinging scene.

2) The lowered emphasis on safe sex due to the fact that no one can get pregnant.

3) The physical makeup of the anus and rectum simply are not made for penetration by a male sex organ (or anything else for that matter). It bleeds, tears and gets infected very easily. Blame evolution, but a$$es were never meant to be bandited.

In addition, the politically correct refusal to admit these facts makes the situation worse, as a lack of information and education leads to denial and more infections.

BUUUUURRRRING HOT,

I will not disagree with your points. I dont see gays screwing straight guys or whatever if not a guy. Seems womens get the HIV also. I would more take fellowes arguement about immoral behavior. But to blame gay is wrong.

I don't understand the point of SJSU's tactic.
I live in N. California and I know the bloodbanks are tight on supply.

Not sure why this matter of principle trumps the need to reach out to increase blood donations from all corners of the community, even college campuses.? It is selfish, perhaps bordering on evil. Shame on SJSU (a taxpayer supported institution).

Before you squeal about discrimination, you should know there is a gay subculture devoted to deliberately chasing and spreading the AIDS virus. Also, HIV infection rates in the gay population are rising due to unsafe sex practices, especially among gays in their 20s.

"homosexuals, whose depraved and decadent lifestyle has been primarily responsible for spreading the disease."

This is strictly false. If not for the "depraved and decadent lifestyle" heterosexual, the disease would be still in some place in Africa in a very limited way. The people who brought the disease to our doors were heterosexual people with their "depraved and decadent lifestyle".

The biggest way of transmission of AIDS is the heterosexual way, the virus was transmissed by heterosexual way from Africa to the rest of the world, the homosexual people were the convenient scapegoat. The first case in Europe was a heterosexual man, the first case in America was a heterosexual man, the first to be accused was a homosexual man.

Thank you, carlos, for the Disneyfied PC version of the AIDS epidemic. Here are the facts:

1. When the AIDS virus entered the gay community in the 1970's, it was a time when hedonism and sexual promiscuity saturated the gay community. It was not uncommon for gay men to have hundreds of anonymous sexual contacts. The book ... And The Band Played On, written by a gay journalist, chronicles this fact.

2. Sexually transmitted diseases were already at epidemic levels within the gay community in the 1970's. The sexual promiscuity created a hothouse environment for spread of the AIDS virus. If gay men led committed, monogamous lifestyles, the AIDS virus would never have reached epidemic levels in the gay community.

3. Fact: When AIDS was identified as a sexual transmitted disease, gay activist groups protested against closing bath houses where gay men sought anonymous sexual encounters. This was also chronicled by Randy Shilts, a gay journalist, in the book ... And the Band Played On.

4. Fact: Rates of HIV infection currently are increasing among gay men under 30, especially in urban areas.

5. Fact: There is a gay subculture devoted to spreading the HIV virus. I can direct you to websites, or you can google "bug-chasing" and "gifting."

All that facts do not change the reality, the aids reached the homosexual community from the heterosexual community.

1.Fact:hedonism and sexual promiscuity saturated the gay community,as well as the heterosexual community. It was the 70s.

2.Fact:the homosexual community has so much lifestyles, monogamous or not, as the heterosexual community. Again, it was the heterosexual people who brought the disease to the homosexual people.The heterosexual promiscuity did spread the disease into the homosexual community.

3.Fact:Randy Shilts chronicled that, the good and bad things of the homosexual community,without to hide anything, where is the Randy Shilts that chronicles the same in the heterosexual community without to hide anything?

4.Fact:"The report also found that the disease spread through heterosexual contact in more than 37 percent of the cases detected from 2001 to last year, in contrast with the 25 percent of cases attributable to men having sex with men."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/27/us/27aids.html

5.Fact: That subculture is stupid (and extremaly minority), but these men are searching it freely for themselves without infect to another people, it is not the same as certain cases of heterosexual subculture where groups of men and women do infect another persons that do not know they are been infected.

carlos, you naive little thing. First of all, the barebacking subculture in the gay community does infect partners unwittingly. It's called "stealthing."

And second, while sex clubs are still mostly on the fringe of the heterosexual community, they are part of the mainstream of gay life. In fact, the owner of a gym in San Francisco was pilloried and forced to apologize for banning public sex from his establishment.

I don't excuse promiscuity from any orientation. I think it cheapens and degrades the sexuality which is a gift from God. But by any reasonable, real-world yardstick, it was and is a much larger problem in the gay community, and that environment greatly facilitated the spread of the AIDS virus.

But, then again, carlos thinks polar bears are playful and cuddly and sit on the ice floes drinking Coca-Cola, so there isn't much hope there to bring him into the real world.

Is that flag flying over the state capitol of California?

V,

You think that the sex and the clubs are the mainstream of the gay life because you know nothing of the gay life, how you can know how is the life of the millions of homosexual people?, the lifestyles of the gay people are hugely diverse, monogamous, promiscuous, religious, atheists, budhists, christians, leftist, rightest, blue collars, white collars, presidents of companies, unemployeds, doctors, patients, bus drivers, policemen, olds, youngs, marrieds, unmarrieds,with children, without children, dads with a secret, moms, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, europeans, africans, asians, americans, it is really funny listen something about the mainstream of gay life, where exactly you say that mainstream is? in the sexclubs? Not, the mainstream of the gay life is in the millions of gay homes all around the world.

You have a very poor view of the gay life, but it seems it is me who have to be brought back to the real world.

The medical community has known for decades that all sexually transmitted diseases, particularly in this country have been harbored and spread by the homosexual community, including hepatitis B, C and the "VDs" syphilis and gonorrhea. Where do you think the first Hep B vaccine came from back in 1982? The insert stated: "pooled sera from male homosexuals in NYC". Why? Because THEY were the prime group harboring and spreading this disease. I read this insert because I received this vaccine. 80-85% of all male homosexuals at that time were Hep B and not long after in 83' and 84' HIV was discovered...again...in that group, first and foremost. This doesn't excuse the hetero population, but btw, in Africa, most of the hetero men are bisexual and then bring home HIV to their wives/kids. I know, because back in 89' I was poked with a needle from an African guy who had HIV. He had a wife and kid back home but he got his disease from another male in Africa. He wasn't homosexual per se, but their culture doesn't draw a line in the sand concerning sexual behavior.

I stand by what I said. It's immoral and reckless to allow homosexuals of either sex to donate blood. I work directly with blood, have worked for almost 3 decades in this field and know what the hell I'm talking about, unlike young carlos and others who sit on the sidelines who pontificate and know nothing.

Thank you V the K and fellowes for rebutting (??) Princess Carlos. I wouldn't have had the energy today to do so yet again.

Fellowes' last post underscores my point on a previous thread, that theological prohibition of homosexuality (much like dietary rules) probably arose from public health considerations, and were only reinforced by attribution to a deity, rather than arising arbitrarily from theology.

carlos is one of those people who pretends the world is the way he wants it to be, instead of the way it is.

Most people get over that by the age of 8.

"The medical community has known for decades that all sexually transmitted diseases, particularly in this country have been harbored and spread by the homosexual community"
This is an absurd statement. Nobody in the medical community would say something like that.

"The insert stated: "pooled sera from male homosexuals in NYC"" I do not understand what you are talking about, where do you buy your vaccines from? what medical laboratory is that?
Is there any other medication that you need, it seems you have not had enough today.

Lady Jay,

Your view of the theology is so obtuse as your knowledge of the public health. You should to borrow the medication from Fellowes.

Good idea, carlos, but it won't be a protease inhibitor.

"The insert stated: "pooled sera from male homosexuals in NYC"" I do not understand what you are talking about, where do you buy your vaccines from? what medical laboratory is that?

No kidding you don't understand. The pooled sera were used to raise the antibodies in the vaccine, they weren't the vaccine itself. Sheesh.

Absurd? No, no dear carlos. Apparently you don't read medical texts. Judging from your grammar I'd say you confine your reading to comic strips and gay mags. Go back to your little dark world and shoot up. Heroin kills, ya know.

As to the vaccines: from the pooled sera was extracted the hepatitis B virus itself. The proteins were purified and the virus killed. Then the purified form was used as the Hep B vaccine. Fortunately, by 1985 or so, a synthetic vaccine was created, thereby negating the need to use human sera. They did this since HIV was a danger in the pooled sera from humans.

To fellowes' point, read this, from that well-known hate group, the CDC.

Thanks, fellowes, I'd misunderstood this myself. I'd presumed the vaccine comprised antibodies to the viral proteins (to give passive immunity), rather than the proteins themselves.

In carlos's partial defense, he appears to be a non-native speaker, so his grammar may not be indicate a comic book reader, but I wouldn't bet against the "gay mags" part.

Back to the original point: allowing homosexuals to donate blood is foolhardy and immoral, and places the normal population at risk for the sake of political symbolism.

A modest proposal: let the faculty and staff of SJSU have transfusions only from homosexuals. I mean, there's no problem with that, is there?

Fellowes,

" Go back to your little dark world and shoot up. Heroin kills, ya know."
Bye, Fellowes.

Jay,

You should read all the topics, not only the "men who have sex with men" topic.

I am going to dinner, bye.

V the K is absolutely correct. The gay bathhouses WERE breeding grounds for HIV during the late 1970's & early 1980's, certain brave health officials DID scream for them to be shut down in the interest of public health while certain elected officials(most notably Dianne Feinstein , who was Mayor of San Francisco at the time),DID ignore these pleas so as not to offend the homosexual community. As a result, countless gay men died needlessly and HIV/AIDS became a serious threat to public health. AND THE BAND STILL PLAYS ON TODAY, DEMANDING A CURE BE FOUND SO GAYS CAN CONTINUE THEIR RECKLESS BEHAVIOR WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE.

carlos don't let these guys get you down.

What they really mean is that they hate gays, most likely because they are repressing some urge that they can't deal with, but largely because their holy books tell them they should be stoning them. If it were acceptable to stone them, they would be first in line. Fortunately they are far too cowardly to actually do what their book tells them to do, so they resort to mockery, name calling and emabarrased chuckles. Christianity Light, so to speak.

That's it. Their holy books tell them that homosexuality is wrong and punishable by death. That's all they need to know. the rest of the justifications they come up with for hating gays, is just smoke and mirrors. Reality is like you say: they know nothing of "mainstream" homosexual lifestyles. how could they?

So hashfan are you and carlos coming "out" right here on Moonbattery?

"What they really mean is that they hate gays..."

Doing your mind-reading crap again there, huh?

You must be filthy freaking rich from your gambling and stock market abilities.

No?

Then I suggest you are full of shit.

What they really mean is that they hate gays, most likely because they are repressing some urge that they can't deal with, but largely because their holy books tell them they should be stoning them.

Nope. For my part, I don't hate homosecuals, but I find their practices repellent, as I do those of necrophiliacs, but I'm not worried about turning into either one. But thanks for the parlor psychoanalysis.

but largely because their holy books tell them they should be stoning them.

Again for my part, I'm an atheist. I've got no problem with religion, and at tough times in my life I've wished I could believe, but the truth is, I don't.

Coughing in others' faces spreads tuberculosis, homosexual practices spread STDs, HIV, and hepatitis B and C. Both are to be discouraged, in the interest of public health.

Simple, really.

Hash, ever had anything useful to say about Islamist countries like Iran, where gays are routinely executed simply for being gay? Or are you just another electively ignorant, Christophobic homo-leninist who views American Christianity as the greatest threat to the survival of queerness?

Well asked, RLV.

"Coughing in others' faces spreads tuberculosis, homosexual practices spread STDs, HIV, and hepatitis B and C"

Jay, sexual practices spread it, in fact the heterosexual people brought the AIDS to the homosexual people, you can repeat the contrary again and again, but you can not change the facts.

So I guess we'd all be a lot better off if we just sodomized each other then. Happy, healthy lifestyle, and socially responsible to boot.

That is an absurd answer, Jay.

So it isn't a happy, healthy. socially responsible lifestyle? Then we agree.

The homosexual lifestyle does not exist, there is homosexual lifestyles that are healthy and responsible, but not all of them, the same that in the different heterosexual lifestyles.

"The homosexual lifestyle does not exist..."

Did you REALLY say that?

That's not a typo?

Whoa. I'm speechless. (Cuz I'm laughing so hard.)

Jimbo,

May you say me what is the heterosexual lifestyle?

Normal.

You drunk or on drugs? Your posts are kind of garbled and senseless.

"normal"

Ok, Jimbo, it is enough, no more efforts today. Relax.

No - I'm serious, Carlos - dude - you okay? You don't "sound" like yourself, buddy. If you're home alone - maybe you should call a friend or something.

Thank you, Jimbo, I am ok, just tired, it is late here, I should be sleeping.
Good night all.

Every other contatious disease in history has responded well to quanrunteen. When this was suggested early on, before AIDS become the epidemic is now is, the sodomites went crazy. "Boo Hooo you are discriminating aginst us!" So, no quarunteen and we now have this epidemic. And still they cry "Boo hoo we are discriminated agianst!"

A subset of the sodomites, early on, intentially gave blood knowing they were infected so that the disease would spread in the genreal population and not look so much like a "gay cancer."

They disseminated misleading information that anyon could get it, even if they lead low risk lifestyles. This is incorrect. Monogamous, married couples who don't use drugs practically can't get it.

They adamantly refued to have the bathhouses in San Francisco closed early on lest they miss one night of anonymous sex.

Just got home from work...thanks Jay for the link to the CDC article...they just hate and hate don't they? Nah Carlos, I've worked with plenty of queers in many cities throughout the US. No hatred here, just pity. I've never been stoned thank you so how would I stone someone else?

My fav line from little carlos is the "there is (sic) homosexual lifestyles that are healthy" BAHHHHHAAAA!! Thank you carlos. Really, really needed that line after coming home from working with blood that's not been tainted with "that healthy homo lifestyle blood" all night. I just love reality-challenged people, don't you?

fellowes,

To you use your term reality-challenged, I think you need a study course of it. There are a lot of homos out there. I don't know the answer either.

I am torn, I think most people should be out as I would not want a daughter to end up with some stylish guy that was a closet gay.

But on the other side I think gays should show some consideration. I have worked with some gays and when I didn't show open contempt to their life they share WAY too much info. None ever came on to me but I found it uncomfortable. Almost bullying.

Hashfanaticfan is just an anti- Christian bigot who loves looking for any excuse to insult, stereotype, and spread hatred against people who are believers. Reminds me of my younger brother (Who's quickly becoming the epitome of a moonbat).

AIDS got into the human population through the Angola civil war.
Due to a shortage of human blood for transfusions, the wounded, both military and civilian, were transfused with the blood of monkeys. Apes carry SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) It isn't known to cause illness in them; they are carriers.
SIV mutated in humans into HIV. Its effect is known as AIDS.
AIDS in the US has been traced to a gay airline steward from South Africa who frequented bath houses in New York. His name is known but I don't remember it.

Steve,

That is not possible, I am universal donor 0-, if the blood of monkeys were good for the humans, the humans would not need give our blood for another humans, but there is not compatibility between human and animal blood.

You are referring to Gaetan Dugas, he was a steward in a canadian airline, a perfect scapegoat, but the HIV did reach Europe from Congo in 1959, maybe before. Dugas was born in 1953.

From the morning news (local TV station), it appears that this whole issue and protest is the action of one EMPLOYEE with an agenda.

This did not start with the students.

It appears that the University would rather offend most of the student body, most of the public and put it's relationship with Stanford U (hospital - medical school). The University will do this just to appease ONE EMPLOYEE with an agends.

They are more worried about being sued by one employee for not being PC, than offending the masses.

No doubt that one employee has (his/her's/it's) feelings hurt when they came out of the closet. Mommy and daddy didn't get it.

This is the same tactic that LIBERAL NUTROOTS PROFFESSORS and public school TEACHERS use to push through costly and ill-needed special interests to appease the few, and suppress the masses.

1/2 million "gay, bisexual men" have died of AIDs in a predictable pattern anticipated because of the well documented, and frequent, outbreaks of other STDs in that demographic. If appropriate action had been taken at the outbreak, or at anytime during the last 25 years to control this behaviorally transmitted disease many, or most, would have survived.

It is exactly this sort of PoliticallyCorrect preferential pandering that perpetuated the slaughter.

If the outbreak had been SARS, Yellow Fever, Bubonic Plague, etc, such indulgences wouldn't have been considered. Yet because the victicrats squealed for preferential treatment thousands of 'typhoid-mary's were allowed to turn a tragic outbreak into a pandemic.

Was the lesson learned? Obviously not. The victicrats are still advocating behavioral rights over science.

Apparently 1/2 million "gay, bisexual men" didn't have a right to life.

DANEgerus makes an excellent point. Had we undertaken the same precautions and quarantines with AIDS as with other epidemics, many homosexuals would not have been infected and might still be alive were it not for the queer lobby screaming bloody hell to continue their sodomy. So they proved their point. Homosexuality is a deathstyle, and it is the queers themselves who have committed suicide.

Again, the virus does not attack lifestyles, the virus attacks the imprudence, if you are very promiscuous but you are not in contact with infected fluids, you are not in risk, this for homo and hetero people.
To say homosexuality is a deathstyle, is a moral opinion, and this is irrelevant for a virus.

Son, in carlos's magical, fairy tale world... the statistical fact that rates of HIV transmission are much, much higher for gay men and drug users than among heterosexuals is just a weird, inexplicable coincidence.

V,

The statistical are so magical...
You can have the homosexual male does have a higher rate of HIV than the heterosexual male, and you can have the heterosexual female does have a higher rate of HIV than the homosexual female.
Then you have the homosexual way is riskier and safer at the same time than the heterosexual.
Do the average of all the values and then you have the male and female homosexual do have a similar risk that the male and female heterosexual.

Now I have to leave you, the fairies and the polar bear are fighting (again!) for the tv remote.

Well there we have it folks. May little carlos and his magic mushroom live happily ever after in lala land.

Duh.