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from HITLERJUGEND to HILLARY YOUTH.

get used to it.

Are you familiar with Peter Singer? He is an ethicist at Princeton (which probably explains a lot) that advocates this at the other end of the spectrum. He wrote, among other VERY disturbing ideas, that parents should be able to kill disabled offspring for up to three months after birth. But if you think about it, in this age of moral relativism, is it all that different from abortion?

Well, its obvious Nazism didn't die out when we crushed The Third Reich. 'The Final Solution' is alive and well in the West. I think I'm gonna go vomit now.

They could do what they did in Soylent Green - turn Madison Square Garden into a Euthanasia Center. They give you a cup of poison to drink, let you watch a nice movie, listen to some good tunes and then the poison kicks in and away you go --- to the Soylent Green Food Processing Plant. The ultimate in recycling! Food that has that old geezer aroma..

"(P)arents should be able to kill disabled offspring for up to three months after birth."
Its amazing how progressive the ancient Spartans were. We've come so far in 3,000 years.
"(M)oney that could otherwise be put aside for college education or a family vacation, for example."
I think the Germans referred to the disabled as "useless eaters."
The mask is finally starting to fall off. These aren't "liberals" or "progressives." These people are simply Fascists without clubs. The Nazis worshipped the god of Race. These people worship Mammon.

Yeah, that's the definition of left-liberal family values: "Let's kill your disabled brother so we can go on a nice vacation."

"I've got some good news and some bad news for you kids."

"Tell us mom!"

"Well, Grampa is dead but we get to go to Disney World next week! Yippee!"

jkissell@creighton.edu

Perhaps her office would like a flood of emails to let her know just how much we approve of Nazi scum like her?

Um. This year I watched my mother die an horrific, slow, tormented death from cancer. She'd gone into it calm, ready to make the best of it, contented to meet God as and when it came; no anger, no recriminations, denial, none of that.

Cerebral metastases are a terrible thing. She became variously confused, angry, paranoid, terrified, often unable to communicate. By the end she was begging my sister and myself to find some way to end it.

Her brain went pop 4 days after she came out of a hospice she'd been in for 6 weeks so she could die at home, and her last act in that home was to writhe on the floor of her bedroom, her limbs flailing, her body without control, blinded and shrieking as we attempted hopelessly to help and an ambulance raced to the scene. But that wasn't the end, though it was the end of what remained of her as a person. Oh no.

She lay for another week in a hospice bed, her mind destroyed, able to just rouse a little if disturbed, to groan and move like a bad animatronics effect in a cheap movie, her breath ragged and bubbling. There was a day that came when I knew that had I the opportunity I would kill her, just to end her suffering. Eventually we sat at her side as the gurgling breathing faded away to nothing, and all we felt was relief.

And bizarrely, when I asked the doctors whether she was sufficiently sedated that she would not be able to suffer, they admitted they did not know, but would not increase sedation in case it might kill her. As if that would be some kind of a bad thing.

There's two sides to the euthanasia debate.

Sorry, hadn't really looked at the link before I posted that. Just stirred the memory, y'know.

I was just saying that if I'm ever in that state I described, I'd like the option to consent to an early exit. I wasn't trying to defend somebody else deciding who should live and die, which is grotesque.

This hag ain't no spring chicken herself. She may be "ripe," if you know what I mean

I sympathise with you, Ian. My father is not that far gone, but all we can do is wait for "his time".

People, I'm sure you have heard of the famous case here in Florida, (For some reason I can't remember her name) where everybody was telling the family of the woman what was best for her. The "right to death people were calling for "pulling the plug", but THERE WAS NO PLUG TO PULL! What they did was stop FEEDING her and giving her water. She died a week later.
I am against killing patients for "defects", but if I had been asked for an oppinion, and told all the options, I would have volinteered to put a bullet through her brain.

KHarn. Terry Shiavo?

Ian, what you said is totally understandable. There is certainly a difference between consenting adults making decisions for themselves and what the euthanasia activists want. I do think people should be allowed to risk an early death in order to take strong pain meds...but I can also see how someone could be coerced to commit suicide or even forcibly killed based on the "right to die." The poor woman in Florida described by KHarn actually took a full 13 days to die an ugly, undignified death. There is also the case of Leslie Burke in the UK who fears that he will someday be starved to death against his wishes. (He has a disorder which might make him unable to speak.)

I find it reprehensible as well, but it's 7 (or 8 now, I suppose) years old.

"Originally published in the Medical Sentinel 2000;5(5):183-184. Copyright©2000 Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)."

Serena at December 31, 2007 10:22 PM

Yes, I couldn't remember because people don't like to dwell on "unpleasent" things.

Jarrod, that's true enough of the Kissell quote, but the story about Canadian doctors wanting absolute discretion to off unpromising patients is recent.

I am 100% for euthanasia for the terminally ill, but Kissell is really talking about indoctrinating children.

She comes from the whacked-out social engineering school of liberalism.

Such activism is an embarrassment to intelligent people who believe in the humaneness of euthanasia and legitimizes the label, "Duty to Die".

I have to update that to voluntary euthanasia for the terminally ill with strict protocols which takes into account the mental capacity of the terminally ill patient.

Well,

as I said, you have an inalienable right to do with your life as you see fit. You wanna end it, drink a glass of Drano or eat a bullet. But by God, DO NOT put that kind of power into the hands of bureaucrats, doctors, lawyers or imaginery 'biomedical ethicists'. This is no different than Nazism, Marxist-Leninism, Maoism or Fascism. The 20th Century had enough well doccumented evils committed that people should be wary of philosophies of this kind.

Looks like a prime candidate for Hillary's Surgeon General to keep universal health care costs down since the "angel of death" Nazi bastards are all dead.

Did anyone else see the movie (or read the novel) NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN?

Sheriff Ed Tom Bell (played by Tommy Lee Jones reflects upon a pro-choice lady he once met: "She kept on, kept on. Finally told me, said I don’t like the way this country is headed. I want my granddaughter to be able to have an abortion. And I said well mam I don’t think you got any worries about the way the country is headed. The way I see it goin I don’t have much doubt that what she’ll be able to have an abortion. I’m goin to say that not only will she be able to have an abortion, she’ll be able to have you put to sleep. Which pretty much ended the conversation."

"Mam" is how it is spelled in the book.