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Please remove the abortion illustration. This is very poor taste and extremely offensive to Pro Lifers.

Of course this makes no sense, but that's liberal Massachusetts for you.
Spanking is not meant to harm. Of course its meant to hurt, because its meant to correct a child doing wrong. Sometimes things that hurt, help us.... or should we also ban vaccinations, because they hurt too?!?

Van Helsing, do not remove the partial-birth abortion pics. They are disturbing and make your point with profound contrast. Some stupid bitch politico gash in California tried to ban corporal punishment a while back andshe was laffed at since she has no kids, but she did have a cat or 2.

Keep the graphic. In fact, include the brain-suction portion of it provided you have that. Too bad you don't have an actual video. Should be required viewing for all. People need to see the raw truth, face it and ban this murderous practice forever.

I've seen just how well kids raised on "time outs" and "dialogue" have turned out.

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Hitting a child is abuse. Period. If you dumb ass parents can't think of any better way to discipline your child other than striking them, you need help controlling yourself. I suggest that every time you make a mistake or fuck up someone comes and gives you a good smack upside the head. See how it improves your work.

I'd be willing to bet that at least part of the reason you wing nuts are so vengeful, cold, callous, and simply stupid is that you are suffering from brain damage after being hit one too many times by YOUR parents.

Is there any realm of life where violence is NOT the answer for you people? Is there any problem that can be solved without threatening violence, shooting, beating, hitting, bombing and killing? Or is that all you people know?

Weve had a generation to see the results of hippie parents/liberals not spanking their children. The result? Children who think they are entitled to commit crimes and more people in prison that ever before.

One quick swat on the ass gets a childs attention and is something they dont forget. The greatest generation was the WW II generation and they turned out pretty darn well despite most of them having been spanked at one time or another. Now America is full of candy ass whiners who demand this and that from the government rather than working for it.

Real child abuse is actual beatings and punching leaving marks, bruises and broken bones. Next thing you know the moonbats will be saying jail time is equal to the death penalty - therefore people shouldnt go to jail at all - just tell them nicely - please dont rob that bank again! Oer please dont beat and rob that old geezer --- run along now and be nice! Oh yeah, that will work.

Hitting a child only reveals the weakness of the parents. Show me one study that suggests that hitting a child makes them learn ANYTHING. Show me one study that supports any of your absurd claims! The ONLY thing a child learns from being hit by their parents is that their parents are out of control ASSHOLES! That's it.

Most people in prison have actually BEEN abused relentlessly by their parents. Children who are raised in peaceful, non-violent homes tend to become peaceful, non.violent people. People raised in violent homes, tend to become violent grown-ups. That's just common sense fact, you moron.

We have more criminality today because that is the American way! Crime is great if you don't get caught. Steal a little and they through you in jail, steal a lot and you can become President!

Again, is violence ever NOT the answer?

"Massachusetts May Ban Spanking"

I bet Barney Frank is pissed off!
What will him and his dates do for entertainment?

Fortunately, the Mass moonbats have over played their hand on this one exposing the Mass legislature as hypocrites. On a popular morning talk radio show they had the legislator, Rep Jay Kaufman who is championing this bill, on for an interview. When the radio host asked the Rep if he was a parent the Rep said, "yes". When he was asked if he spanked his kids he said, "It's none of your Damn business." His statement is one of the most profound admissions ever recorded. It's none of 'our' business if the State Rep spanks his kids but he's supporting a bill that would make it the States business if we spank ours. Anyone on this post who is outspoken against spanking is either A) not a parent or B) A moonbat. All you need to do is look at the laws of nature. How do animals discipline their young? Not with a 'time-out' but with a wack of the paw. Thank God for the Roe effect which is my hypothesis that over time liberals will abort themselves out of existence.

I never hit my kids (now grown), but that is none of the Government's damn business.
I am a vegetarian, and also a member of the NRA, becuase it's my choice whether I eat meat or not, and the Government has no business telling me whether I can own a gun.
Same principal. Individual choices can be what the Moonbats believe is correct, but those choices are MINE to make, not the Government's. It isn't what you choose, it's that you somehow retain the right to choose. Becoming harder and harder. Love this site.

Hey NH, the point is that we are NOT animals, dipshit. although, you may be one given that you advocate hitting children. I bet it makes you feel like a real man when you hit your defenseless kid. Does it give a true sense of control? Poor kid...I only hope you live long enough to see your kid come to hate you for it. Actually, no I don't. Live long, that is.

my dad, beat the sh1t out of my with a leather belt.

He turned into a moon bat around the time GBsr was in office.

I turned into a conservative.

humm, i'm giving my kids 2 black eyes

Poor kid...I only hope you live long enough to see your kid come to hate you for it. Actually, no I don't. Live long, that is.

No doubt the voice of moral authority on any issue

You don't have to hit your kids to discipline them, you just have to make them believe you will if they don't obey. That pretty much says it all that Mass. Moonbat Rep Jay Kaufman. He needs to be whacked by his constituents for making them look like fools for electing him.

Hey Anonoymous. Liberals tell us to keep 'our' hands off their wombs, stay out of their bedrooms, etc. Why is it you care how we discipline our children. I was spanked as were my two siblings and I think we all turned out to be a successful, well adusted business owners. When my kids are close to getting spanked they receive a warning. If they do not heed that warning they receive one to three slaps on an open palm or on a bare rear-end with a wooden spoon. No broken skin, no bruise, no welt and never out of anger. Currently my daughters are beautiful, confident, and extremely well behaved, carring kids. If my daughters grow to resent me for enforcing discipline, so be, but I doubt it. It's my job to raise them to respect authority, to repect me and to respect their mother. Perhaps you have a past which causes you to view spanking as something more than it is. If that's the case, I'm sorry for you. Getting to know all of my daughters friends and their families, it's the children who are spanked that I view as the most polite, creative and pleasant to be around. The kids who we know are not disciplined are impolite, spoiled little brats. The point being, you have no business with how I raise my kids and the fact you think you do shows you to be the fool.

"Anonymous" SAYS that he/she is against violence, yet in one post wishes someone DEAD and reccomends BEATINGS for those who advocate spankings. By the way, Anony, a spanking is NOT the same as "...a good smack upside the head.", the butt is kind of PADDED, the head is not. And how can a paddling on the BUTT cause BRAIN DAMAGE as you claim?

"Is there any realm of life where violence is NOT the answer for you people? Is there any problem that can be solved without threatening violence, shooting, beating, hitting, bombing and killing? Or is that all you people know?"

Are you talking to US or to the MUSLIMS? You remember the Muslims, don't you? They are the ones whose violence is EXCUSED and even JUSTIFIED by LIBERALS. If you REALLY believed in non-violence, you would go to a Jihad site and tell them to stop being murdering assholes.

But KHarn, Muzzie violence is "tolerated" by Anony because it's part of their "cultural identity" whereas when us evil Americans use violence against those very same Muzzies who vow to kill, destroy, enslave, and convert us is considered intolerable and not ever justified under any conditions. Anony will be defending the Muzzies thru his gurgling bloody last breath as the serrated sabre is crackin' thru his neckbone. Anony should go up to Olympia and pull some of his non-violence protest shit and get some sense beat into his thick skull. It'll make good laffs for all us evil Americans.

OK Kharn and Bry, I said nothing about Muslims. Is that all you people can talk about? i do not advocate violence as way to "discipline" children..This has nothing to do with religion. You people are so friggin terrified of Muslims that every issue comes back to them. Believe me, your fellow Americans, your neighbors, present a much more realistic threat to you, then any Muslim...but you are all so fixated that every discussion, on ANY subject, comes back to the evil Muslims. Americans are killing ohter Americans at a much faster rate than Muslims are killing Americans. I mena if you didn't have the Muslims to hate, who would it be? Jews? Blacks? Liberals? Left handed people? I realize you need a scapegoat. It makes life really easy....dosent it?

I'm talking to YOU, KHARN. Violence has been advocated, praised and even recommended time and time again as a viable and rational way to solve just about every imagined problem this so called blog presents. Go throught the post s and look.

Me wishing NH dad dead, is not the same as saying someone should kill him. It is not a call for violence. I just would like to see people like him, and others who advocate violent punishments agaisnt children gone. I mean nearly every post on this blog calls for the dissapearnace or death of anyone whose political views differ from yours. See NH Dad, Discipline does not mean "Hitting". There are many other more effective forms of discipline, but you are simply too stupid, and/or ignorant to discover these. Whether you own a business or not, means jack shit, and tells me nothing about what kind of person you are. However, the fact that you openly advocate hitting children tells me a lot about what kind of person you are, and what kind of people your children will become.

No and you are right, I am not telling you how to raise your children. You can beat the shit out of them for all I care. You have to live with yourself at the end of the day, and again, if it makes you feel like a man hitting little girls, well good luck with that. I do have the right to call you a shithead, and an ignoramus though...My bet is that's what your kids already think of you. good luck.

What's great about you wing nuts is you're all pro-"life" until a kid is born...then you advocate hitting them, torturing, and execution and war. so dont' give me any of the bullshit about "sanctity of human lives". The only human life you have respect for is your own and the unborn. Once they are born, you are all for indoctrinating them into a world of violence...

One more time: are any of you going to present me with a study from a child psycologist or doctor that advocates hitting a child as an effective and reasonable form of discipline? I think not.

And hey Bry, You are not "evil"...just ignorant. Please tell me again how I am defending Muslims by rejecting violence? Just curious.

Was this you NH Dad? sounds like you....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071129/ap_on_re_us/child_s_remains

Anony, (and get a real name!) Why aren't you advocating violence against those who want to kill you? You wanna try some lenient hippie left-coast free range touchy feely parenting with IslamoFascists and you think in some "therapy session" we can solve the problem with radical Islam? Correct,you have not defended Islamofascism, but you haven't and probably never will condemn it because then you'd be labeled "intolerant" and "fascist" by your Librul Masters, just like Morrissey (see other thread) has been for speaking out against Islamofascism in Britan. You don't think Islamofascism is a problem? You don't think there's a difference between spanking a child and beating a child resulting in bodily harm?
Are you a parent?

Thank you Anonymous. You've proved my point for me. If my views don't coincide with your views that means I'm simply 'too stupid' to comprehend your 'nuanced' position...By the way, why do you keep referring to spanking with the terms "beating", "execution" and "tourture"? Sounds like you have some issues perhaps with authority or perhaps a case of Bush Derangement Syndrome...And I don't need to supply you with any sort of documentation that may highlight the benfits of spanking. Lets be adults here and understand for every phsycologist who approves of spanking as discipline you can come right back with rebuttle from some other phsycologist who will say spanking is detrimental to a childs development. I prefer to use by own case study i.e. how I turned out as an adult, graduating from an Ivy League school and becoming a successful business owner having been spanked as a child. And by the way, when spanking is handled responsibly the behaviour modification that takes place does not require me to us it as a deterent more then a few times a year. The way I view things from this end, my alternative to not spanking my kids, besides the liberal alternative of trying to be their "friend" and talk about "feelings" and buying them beer when they become teenagers is they grow up to be close-minded fools like yourself who can't have an adult discussion without pulling out insults in attempt to change the debate into something personal. Again, I come back to the Roe-Effect which is my hypothesis that one day liberals like yourself will abort themselves out of existance...

Your posts speak volumes about you as an individual.

NH, first of all you still haven't provided me with a credible study that recommends spanking as an effective means of discipline. Your so-called educated views are based purely on emotion...You were hit as a child, and you, in your mind, anyway, turned out alright, therefore it's a good idea to hit your own child...that's the extent of your logic. If you can't see the flaws in that..well, your "Ivy League" education wasn't really worth it now, was it?

But most alarming is your assumption that because you have an Ivy League education and have become a "succesful" business owner, you have some how "turned out alright". I mean, let's say you had gone to a community college and became an office clerk..would you have not "turned out alright" by your definition? Where do you draw the line between turning out alright and not?

What you do, and where you went to college don't tell me if you are a good person, or even intelligent. Plenty of idiots and have attended ivy league schools and gone on to be "succesful". In fact, and here's a shocker: Even I went to an Ivy League University, yes it's true! And guess what, even I am succesful in my field! Yes! And here's the kicker: I wasn't hit as a child! NO!

Therefore, using your own logic, I have just proven to you that hitting your child has absolutely no impact on where your child will go to college or whether they will be succesful or not in their line of work. So, my question to you is: Why would you even bother doing it?....Simultaneously, I have also just proven, again using special NH Dad logic, that even though hitting a child will not impact these things, it will most definately cause the victimized child to grow up to continue to perpetuate the notion that hitting a child is a good idea, maintain irrational political views, and become an insufferable asshole.

And yeah, I have two boys. We don't have discipline issues.

And Bry, when did I ever say islamofascism wasn't a problem? why do you assume you knwo what I think about anything? I have been talking about hitting children. Can you even read?

As for advocating violence towards those who want to kill me? Well, Jesus, there are people all over the place who could potentially want to kill me. Probably even one of the regular posters on this blog wants to kill me by now...truth is i've never met a Muslim who's ever threatned me to my face...but growing up in a big city in America, I've met a lot more fellow countrymen who would probably identify themselves as Christian threaten me...so, I guess I should just kill anyone who poses a potential threat? huh? I'll be doing a lot of killing, I guess.

But yes, i am concerned about Islamofascism. I am also concerned that the current right wing administration continues to buy oil and sell massive amounts of weapons to the Saudis, perhaps the most extremist of the Arab states, at the same time playing up the "evil" Muslim as justification to do whatever the fuck it wants. The fact that most of you ignore this plain and simple hypocrisy makes me sincerly question your intelligence. if the Islamofascists are so damn evil, why are we doing business with them? Why are we feeding them? Why are we allowing them to feed and fuel us? Why are we arming them? Why can't this administration catch the perpetrator, who happens to be of Saudi descent, of an act of a true and outspoken enemy?

There is no war aginst Islamofascism. OK, none. Some fo the people we are fighting are Islamofascits, some aren't, but that's just coincidental..No one is committed to a war aginst Islamofascism. Not even you. You'd have to give up your SUV...Your standard of living, and quality of life would be reduced to a most primitive state. you'd be living life in the 1800's if we were fighting a war aginst Islamofascists. Your entire society is fueled and funded by Islamfascists...You need them. Jesus, wake up...

Ok Anony, When do we nuke the fuck outta Saudi Arabia? Biggest Librul mistake and boner puller is that they label the 9/11 hijackers as Saudi. They're Islamofascists with no loyalty to any country or flag. We're fighting a form of idealism that wants to kill us. Think of it as a geopolitical Manson family. I drive a 4 cylinder pickup which is basically a go-cart with emissions. I try to burn as little gas as possible. Here's a novel idea, let's drill for oil anywhere in the US. That means Colorado, Anwar in Alaska and even the National Parks. That'll get us off off Saudi oil and not fund Islamofascism. I'm sure Anony is gonna nix that idea because of some Globull Whorming crap...Now who doesn't want to fight IslamoFascism? Wouldn't Iran or Syria be more IslamoFascist extremist Than Saudi Arabia? You sound like John Lennon...War is ovr if you want it. Maybe you don't have discipline issues with your sons because you don't admit there maybe a discipline problem and/or you just choose not to discipline them. You need to read the Dr. Rosemond books.

Hey Bry, why do you continue to put words into my mouth? Why do you continue to assumne that you know what I think about anything? You simply continue to prove that you are not capable of comprehending the reading you do. How dare you, of all people suggest I read a book, when you are proving yourself with each post, based on your reading and writing skills, that you are only semi-literate at best?

Your last post makes little or no sense. No Iran and Syria are not more Islamofascist than Saudi Arabia. you can research it yourself...oh, but you can't read...sorry..No one "labels" the 911 bombers Saudi. They WERE Saudi!

if you wanna drill up the national parks for oil, fine. I do not buy into the hysteria surrounding global warming, nor no I buy into your equally hysterical demonization of the Muslim. I don't give a shit if they drill and pave up the entire country. I hope they start in your back yard though. Instead of continued oil reliance, whcih by the way is a LIMITED source of energy. So even if you find it in Colorado, it won't last forever..how about more research and development into alternative forms of energy? I guess

Ok, try to read slowly now Bry: We are not fighting a war aginst ISlamofascism. The war has been sold to us a war on "terrorism." Terrorism is a tactic...How do you fight a war against a tactic? Islamofascists are and always have been our allies. The administration has NEVER referred to fighting "ISlamofascism". They say they are fighting terror...It's not the same thing....

You act as if I SHOULD have discipline issues with my children. I don't. They are good kids. They are disciplined when they act out, but it is extremely rare that that happens. They have never been hit by an adult.

Maybe you DO have discipline issues with your children, because you don't know how to discipline them, or maybe you are simply a bad father.

Anony, YOU!? Ivy League!? None of the Ivy League graduates I know have such a handicapped use of logic and the english vocabulary as you with your use of words such as "Shit", "Fuck" and "Asshole" in the context of a debate. If you made it past middle school I'd be surprised.

I'd love to drill for oil in my backyard and refine it myself but EkoWhackos won't let me. Sure, more development of alternative energy, but not with my tax dollars clipped from me by the hoax of Globull Whorming. So Anony, Let's use some logic, i'll type slowly so you can understand it. Who uses the tactic of "terrorism"? That would be terrorists, Now who are the "terrorists" we are fighting? That would be the Islamofascists! The 9/11 Islamofascists were FROM Saudi Arabia. Other IslamoFascists are from Iran, Syria, Somalia. They are firstly labeled as "terrorists". Should The Bush Admin call it a "War Against IslamoFascism"? Yup, they should. I can only think of a few instances where Bush and others in his admin have used that that politically incorrect word "Islamofascism". I'm so glad you don't buy into the Globull Whorming hysteria. An Ivy League edumacation nowadays is as useful as tits on a bull. With the dogshit they teach and the indoctrination they dispense, I don't see the benefit. But it looks good on a resume and it shows you put up with 4 plus years of crap. But if you have to tout an "Ivy League Education" to bolster your elitism and it makes you feel good about yourself, have at it.

You people make me sick. I have seen how children raised with and without spanking behave in public. The results are observably, repeatably disastrous.

Take away spanking and a parent will have very little to control their young children when they misbehave. Yes, control. Because that is what young children need when under their parents' guardianship. Time outs and verbal warnings are totally ineffective if you have nothing to back them up - if a kid keeps getting out of the timeout chair, watcha gonna do? Add more time to something he won't do?

The blunt truth of the matter is that parents have a right to administer non-damaging pain to their offspring when they break the rules. There is a padded spot on all human beings that allows for that purpose quite nicely. It can be hit with a hand, belt, or wooden stirring spoon VERY hard and not leave the tiniest bruise or any other physical damage whatsoever. (experience speaking here!)