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July 11, 2007

Ron Paul Sides With Iran Against USA

Proving again that the Republican Party's tent is a little bigger than it needs to be, presidential candidate Ron Paul (currently polling at 0%) weighs in on the awful (according to Paul) possibility of America fighting back against Iran, which has been at war with us since 1979 and has been stepping up its provocations as it develops nuclear weapons:

I think if our policies don't change it's about as inevitable as you can expect because we're unwilling to talk to them and every week we're passing more sanctions and rules and intimidations and accusations and provocations.
We're surrounding Iran and there's very, very little understanding of that history, the American people don't know how we have been involved since 1953 in interfering with their government and it has hurt us. We're failing in Iraq and our government would like to have a distraction from that so they are blaming the Iranians.

How unfair to blame the poor Iranian Islamofascists, just because they have been funding, training, equipping, coordinating, and possibly providing terrorists who are destabilizing Iraq's democracy and killing our troops.

Paul wants to withdraw our ships from the area, and invite Iran's maniacal terrorist regime "to have conversations."

If his foreign policy outlook sounds familiar, it might be because Jimmy Carter's is essentially the same. Letting Carter be president is how we ended up the ayatollahs running Iran in the first place. This alone explains Paul's well-deserved 0%.

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Not all moonbats are Democrats.

On a tip from Wiggins.

Posted by Van Helsing at July 11, 2007 6:39 AM

Comments

This post is ignorant and abhorrent to the principles of the US constitution. Ron Paul is the only conservative left in the Republican party.

Posted by: Glenq at July 11, 2007 6:57 AM

Ron Paul supporters are as rabid as they come.

Personally, I will support a conservative who has a snowball's chance in hell of actually winning. Besides, Ron Paul is no conservative - he is a Libertarian.

I don't understand why the post is "ignorant and abhorrent to the principles of the US constitution". You'll have to explain that one for us dummies...

Posted by: Jimbo at July 11, 2007 7:05 AM

Ron Paul has some libertarian tendencies, but he's pro-life and big on border security. Those are conservative positions. The thing you probably don't like about him is his traditional conservative non-interventionist position. In that, he's following the wisdom of the founders who recommend trade with every country and entangling alliances with none.

Posted by: Tex MacRae at July 11, 2007 7:31 AM

Sounds more like Ron Paul is siding with the American people.

Of course, some people do not equate this with America any longer.

Posted by: Bill Moore at July 11, 2007 7:39 AM

The article you link to is not evidence that Iran has "been funding, training, equipping, coordinating, and possibly providing terrorists who are destabilizing Iraq's democracy and killing our troops."

A few quotes,

"Tehran's alleged involvement with Iraqi insurgents"

alleged does not equal truth or evidence.

Remember Iraq also had WMD, was responsible for 9/11, funded Osama Bin Laden etc.

"where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people"

What evidence shows that the Iran govt is supporting/sponsoring this?

"The US accuses Iran of fostering terrorism"

Key work being "accuses". Sorry but after being lied to about Iraq, WMD etc its hard to believe what comes out of the mouths of govt officials without sound evidence backing it up.

There may be groups of individuals in Iran that are doing this, however that is not the Iranian government sponsoring this activity, and I don't see how it gives us a right to bomb other countries we have not declared war on.

Posted by: GF at July 11, 2007 7:52 AM

0%? He's placed first or second in the three most recent straw polls and got 12% in the California Republican Assembly straw poll. California, Atlanta, New Hampshire, Utah + likely caucus voters = Ron Paul much higher than 1%.

Posted by: Chris at July 11, 2007 8:24 AM

Thisadministration has absolutely no credibility left whatsoever, So for you to parrpt the government line means that you have absolutely no credibility on the subject. I appreciate your genuine concern for our beautiful America but please do yourself a favor and put aside bias and stereotype and take a second open-minded look at Ron Pauls platform. If we continue on our present path then we will not be the America that us patriots love.

Posted by: joshuabrucel at July 11, 2007 8:33 AM

Nothing happens in Iran without the approval of the goverment. Iranian agents have already been captured by the US and Iraqi forces - of course this is rarely if ever reported on the newscasts.

Its in Irans interest to destabilize Iraq so they can take control of the southern areas to add to Irans territory. Iran would then control most of the oil in Iraq - what remains of Iraq would then be carved up into a Kurdish area and Sunni area - both of which would be landlocked and at the mercy of Iran, Turkey and Syria. This is what the Iranians really want.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 11, 2007 8:42 AM

well deserved 0%? You're kidding right? Polls are rigged, but financial backing isn't, and as it stands he's almost if not already topped McCain. That says something in itself.

Aside from that, Ron Paul is right about foreign policy. We need to quit assuming we (American's) are always right about everything. We have been lied to by our media and political leaders, so why believe what they're telling us?

Does are "Freedom" really make people hate us? Or is it the fact that we are constantly telling, more like forcing, them what to do. Paul is right, we are only fueling the recruiting process of terrorist by staying over there. So what if we leave and they say they "won". We can't expect to make every nation in the world follow our form of government, and we can't make it our job to baby sit other governments from abusing their powers (especially since we can't control our own) when ultimately that responsibility falls on the citizen's.

Can we really afford to babysit the world? We have so many issues to take on here at home, but we're so "paranoid", that instead of sealing our borders and fortifying our national security we leave them wide open and go across sea's to fight terrorist? If you're worried about someone sneaking in and causing mass destruction to your country, wouldn't the best approach be to make it harder for them to sneak in?

Why don't we as a nation try to understand their motives? The fact that I'm "free" can't bother them that bad that they want to kill me and themselves, can it?

You have to wonder what would we do if we had another foreign presence in our territory bombing us day in and day out. Of course we're going after the terrorist, but the average citizen is the one who is affected by our actions, which will ultimately cause them to dislike us and opens the door for terrorist recruiters to make that dislike into hate and gain new members.

By no means am i a pacifist, but that doesn't mean that i want to start a fight with everyone who doesn't think as i think and do as i do. As long as we're over in the middle east, anything negative that comes out of it we will have a part of the blame for it.

Posted by: gou at July 11, 2007 8:43 AM

Let me guess. The fool that wrote this article is another coward that would piss in his pants if he ever had to go fight the wars he's pushing for.

Posted by: Ron Paul 2008 at July 11, 2007 8:48 AM

Ron Paul has zero chance. A few Ron Paul groupies wont make any difference. As for a California straw poll---- Please people, California is the land of fruits and mixed nuts. Paul has no money and no name recognition.

While Paul may have some positions I agree with hes simply not a viable candidate. And his position we should bury out heads in the sand while the Radical Islamic menace builds is more than I can stand.

My vote will go to Fred Thompson. McCain is done, Guiliani is too much of mixed bag and Romney is too weak.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 11, 2007 8:51 AM

Ron "bury our heads in the sand" Paul is a joke.

Polls are rigged? Yeah right. Well even when the primary votes are tallied, Paul will be lucky to get 1% anywhere.

Its guys like Ron Paul that allowed World War II to happen.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 11, 2007 8:54 AM

The only thing keeping the very unpopular Ahmadinejad in office is Bush and his threatening posture. 70% of the Iranian population is youg people (under 30) and they tend to lean pro-western. If we weren't fucking with them all the time they almost certainly would have already had their own regime change via the voting booth (it's a democracy).

As for funding and equiping 'the terrists' ... I think if you do some checking you'll find that it's the U.S. of A. that's doing the lions share of that. The question everyone should be asking is ... why?

Posted by: tsoldrin at July 11, 2007 8:54 AM

Take a look at a map sometime. This isn't about Hitler or the Cold War. This is about a postage stamp sized country on the other side of the world.

If the Iranians have half as much trouble messing with Iraq as we've had, it'll mean the end of the ayatollahs. The worst thing we could do to the ayatollahs is let them try to take over Iraq.

Posted by: Joe Schembrie at July 11, 2007 9:00 AM

I think Iran is evil - but the Bush Admin. has done nothing but empower the Islamic Clerics running that Country.

Paul is a Libertarian? I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

No more Born Again Christians simpletons in the White House.

Posted by: G. at July 11, 2007 9:05 AM

Ron Paul is a little kooky, but mostly harmless. His little cult of followers on the other hand are scary. Libertarianism is a philosophy that started out okay, but had been pushed to an extreme beyond common sense. Lately, libertarianism is just a cover for selfishness and narcissism.

Posted by: V the K at July 11, 2007 9:15 AM

I see an add for Michael Smerconish's book in the upper left of this blog. You should check out his interview with Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqOoR90hksE

Posted by: tsoldrin at July 11, 2007 9:17 AM

No more Born Again Christians simpletons in the White House.

No kidding. Carter was a disaster still happening.

Posted by: Jimbo at July 11, 2007 9:18 AM

Iran has been at war with us since 1979? Hmmm, might have something to do with us overthrowing an elected Iranian government in 1953. Oh, yeah, and how about us arming Saddam with WMD in his war of agression against Iran? So now it seems that we've lost "containment" on Iran. How do you suppose that happened? Might be because we destablized their two neighoring enemies -- Iraq and Afghanistan -- with our own wars of agression. How anyone can buy into our idiotic foreign policy after decades of stupid mistakes is beyond me.

Posted by: Mark StC at July 11, 2007 9:18 AM

Like other posters, nothing this administration says restores one iota of trust in it's claims or accusations. Also I would guess Dr Paul was one of the few who did research on President Ahmadinejad. His supposed call for Israels distruction has shown to be a missinterpretation ..." regime change " not erased from map. Let alone our armed forces stressed and our nation being 8.8 trillion dollars in debt.

Posted by: Kenneth at July 11, 2007 9:19 AM

For those of you saying Ron Paul doesn't have a chance, I have two comments:

1) Unfortunately, you are right.

2) Be glad we don't vote in a true popular election or you would be calling him President Paul.

It is a shame that the person with the most ability to restore our standing in the global community and actually create a stronger and safer America has no shot of winning because he doesn't appeal enough to the GOP mainline and won't get the nomination. So the bulk of America will be voting between Hillary and Jullie-annie (a GD or a TS)... great.

Posted by: Scott at July 11, 2007 9:30 AM

We have not been at war with Iran since 1979. Iran was at war with Iraq from 1980-88, and guess which side we supported in that?

Ron Paul is the least crazy Republican running for president. If you're lookin' for crazy, try the doctrine of nuclear first-strikes against a country that hasn't threatened us and doesn't want war with us, a doctrine the other 9 (plus Hillary and Obama) won't take off the table.

Imagine the precedent that would set -- what would we say to Russia if they wanted to nuke Chechnya, or India if they wanted to nuke Pakistan?

Posted by: Buckwheat at July 11, 2007 9:32 AM

Whoa, infestation of nutbars here today.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 11, 2007 9:48 AM

Excellent History channel motage of our involvement in Iran: http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html#policy_redux

Posted by: steve at July 11, 2007 9:59 AM

"If we weren't fucking with them all the time they almost certainly would have already had their own regime change via the voting booth (it's a democracy)."

Sort of like Cuba is a democracy? Where did you go to school, Son?

"Also I would guess Dr Paul was one of the few who did research on President Ahmadinejad."

His recent comments would tend to disprove your naive assertion.

"This is about a postage stamp sized country on the other side of the world."

Iran is bigger than Alaska. The population is 65 million...more than Spain and the UK. But you did get "the other side of the world" correct. Thanks for playing, lunatic.

You Ron Paulette supporters might as well admit to being liberals. Your collective propensity towards fantasy, lies, and errors of omission make you leftards by default.

Meh. And one of you idiots refutes a 0% poll number with "*whiny bitch voice* But, but, polls are RIGGED!!1!," and then go on to support your disagreement by throwing out poll numbers. Ah, the sweet, sweet craziness of Paulette supporters.

Posted by: skh.pcola at July 11, 2007 10:05 AM

PEACE is the best weapon to protect your own skin. Use peace first, then use war. But NEVER, EVER use war before working for peace at all costs. And never, ever use pre-emptive war, because it's illegal according to our own Constitution. Warring with the entire planet for corporate profits is going to result in a lot of dead Americans.

Posted by: Jeff Snyder at July 11, 2007 10:14 AM

Rumor has it that Ron Paul is amazingly well endowed. If only he would stop bathing and shaving and start smoking cigars and change his name to Jimbo, then I could fall for him like a cheap anvil dropped out of a whore house window.

Posted by: G. at July 11, 2007 10:34 AM

Value-added comments only please, Jay Guevara.

It's funny how some people will not vote for someone, even if they think he's the best candidate, because they think he can't win.

Tells me we may see a major bandwagon effect when Paul's support starts showing up in the phone polls.

Posted by: Buckwheat at July 11, 2007 10:56 AM

Once again - whoever is posting as me above can stop at anytime.

Posted by: G. at July 11, 2007 10:59 AM

"Posted by: Anonymous at July 11, 2007 08:51 AM

Ron "bury our heads in the sand" Paul is a joke.

Polls are rigged? Yeah right. Well even when the primary votes are tallied, Paul will be lucky to get 1% anywhere.

Its guys like Ron Paul that allowed World War II to happen"

Its people like this that allowed WWI to happen. Remember that was started as a war against terrorism. As for WWII how would you have stopped it from happening? Would you have attacked Germany who was secretly allied with the Soviet Union? Would you have let Japan loose with no embargo?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 11, 2007 11:02 AM

It is you who lose by attacking a quality candidate.

By all means, don't think for yourself and let others choose the winner for you.

How many candidates act on what they claim to believe once elected? Paul speaks and acts like an honest person, not the frauds we currently contend with.

Posted by: Victory at July 11, 2007 11:07 AM

Buckwheat, we're still waiting for value-added comment #1 today.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 11, 2007 11:13 AM

That Ron Paul sure knows how to "pitch a tent" for the Republican Party if you know what I mean.

[I'm refering to my earlier comment about his one OUTSTANDING physical attribute to all you knuckle dragging neo-cons out there]

Posted by: G. at July 11, 2007 1:59 PM

I hate it when Liberals spout off about history, they always show a compleat ignorance of it.

Posted by: KHarn at July 11, 2007 2:29 PM

My question to Mr. Paul would be: Talk to Iran and say what? When they say no then what? This is where we find ourselves now. We are not the ones that violated diplomatic norms so the message must be sent in other ways.

I think 3 carrier battle groups is a megaphone in their ear and they are calculating we don't have the will to use them because of public statements by people like Mr. Paul.

Posted by: IOpian at July 11, 2007 2:55 PM

you liberals are right we should impeach the bushreich,and pull out of iraq right this minute then all the al-qaeda,and the other terrorist's in the world will automatically drop all their guns,and bombs,and they'll all just go home to herd there sheep,and be with there family's . then global warming would stop to,and all the icecaps will stat to grow ,the polar bear population will blow up,and world temperature will be a mild 75 degrees for the rest of time with the occasional rain shower to keep everything nice,and green. then all the oil companies will come together to announce that there apologizing for all the lies,corruption,price gouging,and also announce that all gas nation wide will be sold at a dollar fifty,and that half their profits will go to charity. finally we can have world peace with no republicans,jews,or Christians,and five times a day we'll all hold hands,and prey to Allah.

Posted by: dave at July 11, 2007 3:57 PM

We are getting our asses kicked in the Middle East, in case you haven't read the newspapers the last few years.

Beating a hornet's nest more than we already have isn't going to make the hornets any friendlier.

Since when did going a fifth or sixth round of verbal attacks with your mother-in-law clear the air and make peace? Apply your tinfoil-hat, kooky, pink-meth-inspired war strategy to everyday reality and you'll see it simply doesn't hold water -- at least not on this planet.

Maybe on Mars it does.

Posted by: Spanky at July 11, 2007 4:21 PM

Say what you will, the plethora of lock-step brain damaged inanities posted above does show Ron does have his flying monkeys well trained.

Posted by: Louis' Lues at July 11, 2007 5:50 PM

Let me get this straight...Ron Paul is bad because he tells the truth. And it's better to vote for a liar. It's better to vote for someone who endorses perpetual war. Someone who put the interests of corporations and foreign countries before the interest of the American people. Well that settles it. It's a toss up between Fred "days of thunder" Thompson, Mitt "Flipper" Romney and Rudy-9/11. Maybe we need a Council on Foreign Relations member in the Whitehouse. Both Hillary and Obama belong to that corrupt organization. I guess I am still undecided. VOTE CHENEY in 08 for a Dick in the Whitehouse!

Posted by: oyecomova at July 11, 2007 7:11 PM

Von Helsing, you're the moonbat if you think any of the "top tier" candidates will do anything but make our problems worse. Mcain's cratering right now. Ghouliani's a cross-dressing closet Nazi. Romney belongs to a cult started by a con artist. Thompson's just a Bush clone. And WEAR MAKEUP!!!
Ron Paul has my vote even if it has to be write-in. And you have my vote as a top-tier moron.

Posted by: gao xia en at July 11, 2007 9:26 PM

Ron Paul is a Bircheresque crank. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: Crush Liberalism at July 12, 2007 7:06 AM

To all Liberals who posted above:

Just WHAT are we to say in these "talks"? What would YOU offer to the enemy to end the Muslim insanity? And let's say (Just for the sake of argument) that it's NOT GOOD ENOUGH to satisfy them, what will you do then?

Cone on, throw us a bone here! Don't just demand "peace", help us figure out how to achieve it!

Posted by: KHarn at July 12, 2007 11:10 AM

Posted by: Crush Liberalism at July 13, 2007 10:42 AM