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What the hell do these a**holes think will happen when we lose this war? I'll tell you one thing that will happen: the United States will loose all credibility and no one will believe ANYTHING our government says evr again. That means when the next natural disaster strikes, the victims will demand GOLD picked up and delivered by THEIR OWN people instead of medicine, food and anything else we provided in the past. Also, when the next nuclear-crazed tyrant threatens the world, the UNITED NATIONS will have no effective military force to threaten him with.

Is it really worth THAT, Liberals? Is it really worth losing EVERYTHING you hope for, including your PERSONAL SAFETY just to make President Bush look bad?

KHarn,

Wrong - your post is just more right-wing hysteria.

Define "win" in the context of the war in Iraq.

When you invade a country that was no threat to us, with no consultation with experts on the middle east, with no knowledge or understanding of the region or the people of the region,
no proper post invasion plan - what do you expect to happen???

We are at war with Terrorists and Al-Qaeda - NOT Iraq.

We should have gone after the Al-Qaeda cells and training camps all over the world - instead we are bogged down in what has become a civil war in Iraq and our military is stretched to the breaking point. $12 billion dollars a month. Thousands of lives.

Brilliant job Cheney. Cheney's Halliburton "no-bid" Millions keep piling up. What a joke.

G - the Clauzewitz of the bathhouse.

>>>Wrong - your post is just more right-wing hysteria.

Lay off the name-calling. "Hysteria" is another word that is rapidly loosing it's meaning.

>>>Define "win" in the context of the war in Iraq.

To break the ability and/or the will of the enemy to wage war.
That's worked in every war since the begining of time, even animals fight that way.

>>>When you invade a country that was no threat to us,...

They fired on nutrality patrols, refused to alow UN inspections, made comments to allies about the WMDs they had, bought banned weapons and material from France and Russia, sponcered terrorists, associated with terrorists, rewarded familys of bombers, ignored and violated UN mandates, (there may be more, but I can't think of it right now)

>>>...with no consultation with experts on the middle east, with no knowledge or understanding of the region or the people of the region,
no proper post invasion plan - what do you expect to happen???

I never said that the invasion was perfect. For one thing, we went to war trying not to OFFEND anyone. The mosques were used by the enemy as safe havens, in former wars we would have burned ANY building to the ground if we were takeing fire from them, NO MATTER WHAT.

>>>We are at war with Terrorists and Al-Qaeda - NOT Iraq.

Who are "the terrorists"? Is it some organised group? No it's not. That's one of the reasons we can't "talk" to them.
We are at war with ISLAM. Or rather, they have been at war with US since the capture of the United States embasy in 1979.

>>>We should have gone after the Al-Qaeda cells and training camps all over the world...

You mean we should have invaded the cells in BRITTAN? In FRANCE? In GERMANY? In RUSSIA? The PHILLIPINES? What sort of stink would you and yours have raised if we had gone to war WITH THE WORLD? That IS what it would have been.

>>>...- instead we are bogged down in what has become a civil war in Iraq and our military is stretched to the breaking point.

this war would have ended more than a YEAR ago if it weren't for the Liberals like yourself who think that spouting Muslims propiganda will bring down President Bush. All they have to do now is hold on for a little longer and they will defeat us. That means that all they have to do is fire ONE bullet a day, set off ONE bomb a week, and write a PRESS RELEASE a month and the FREE press in the FREE world will take care of the rest as traitors like Murtha, Pelosi and Reid say how doomed we are.

>>>$12 billion dollars a month.

What's the price YOU'RE willing to pay for freedom? What would YOU sacrifice?

>>>Thousands of lives.

How many of those lives are the murdering terrorists? do you have those figures?

>>>Brilliant job Cheney. Cheney's Halliburton "no-bid" Millions keep piling up.

What company would you have chosen? Here's a clue: Halliburton were the BEST at doing many of the things we needed for the war.

>>>What a joke.

I'm glad you can laugh in these troubled times.

KHarn,

AL-Qaeda is as strong today as it was in 2001. That is all over the news today.

The Bush Admin. is wrong in their approach to combating terror.

I supported the war when it first started but I have learned alot since that time and realize that there was alot of dishonesty, stupidity, and recklessness on the part of the Bush Admin.

[Lay off the name-calling. "Hysteria" is another word that is rapidly loosing it's meaning.]

Hysteria is not name calling.

[To break the ability and/or the will of the enemy to wage war.
That's worked in every war since the begining of time, even animals fight that way.]

Who is the enemy? The Iraqis who are fighting against the invasion? The fractured religious groups who are killing each other?
The insurgents?

How about AL QAEDA????? You know - the ones responsible for 9/11.

[They fired on nutrality patrols, refused to alow UN inspections, made comments to allies about the WMDs they had, bought banned weapons and material from France and Russia, sponcered terrorists, associated with terrorists, rewarded familys of bombers, ignored and violated UN mandates, (there may be more, but I can't think of it right now)]

Some, or even all, of the above may be true - then we needed to deal with that - not dishonestly tie Iraq into 9/11

[I never said that the invasion was perfect. For one thing, we went to war trying not to OFFEND anyone. The mosques were used by the enemy as safe havens, in former wars we would have burned ANY building to the ground if we were takeing fire from them, NO MATTER WHAT.]

If we had burned down the Mosgues it would have turned into a global religious war. Bush's stubborn personality got in the way with his "you are with us or against us" - instead of gathering many allies all over the world inorder to eliminate the sleeper cells - Bush alientated almost everyone.

[Who are "the terrorists"? Is it some organised group? No it's not. That's one of the reasons we can't "talk" to them.
We are at war with ISLAM. Or rather, they have been at war with US since the capture of the United States embasy in 1979.]

Exactly - it is NOT a country - it was NOT Iraq. It is a group with cells all over the world.

[You mean we should have invaded the cells in BRITTAN? In FRANCE? In GERMANY? In RUSSIA? The PHILLIPINES? What sort of stink would you and yours have raised if we had gone to war WITH THE WORLD? That IS what it would have been.]

No - we would have worked with those countries to eliminate the cells when they were very much on our side right after 9/11]

[this war would have ended more than a YEAR ago if it weren't for the Liberals like yourself who think that spouting Muslims propiganda will bring down President Bush. All they have to do now is hold on for a little longer and they will defeat us. That means that all they have to do is fire ONE bullet a day, set off ONE bomb a week, and write a PRESS RELEASE a month and the FREE press in the FREE world will take care of the rest as traitors like Murtha, Pelosi and Reid say how doomed we are.]

Not true at all.

[What's the price YOU'RE willing to pay for freedom? What would YOU sacrifice?]

More than 412 billion a month - but spent in a way to ensure success.

[How many of those lives are the murdering terrorists? do you have those figures?]

Alot of them are not.

[What company would you have chosen? Here's a clue: Halliburton were the BEST at doing many of the things we needed for the war.]

Halliburton has been proven to have overcharged, mismanaged things, and not had to compete for contracts.

"More than 412 billion a month - but spent in a way to ensure success."

G., you are the most ignorant, anti-American asshole that I've ever seen on Moonbattery. Let's look at that number and multiply it by 12 months: $412 billion/month times 12 months equals $4.944 TRILLION. Our economy is ~$13 trillion, so you are way the f*ck off the mark, as you are on everything else you choose to "comment" upon. You are ignorant, willfully stupid, and a dumbass. I guess your friends got tired of your pablum, so you came here to make new friends. It ain't working.

SKH

Much as I hate to defend the t(f)roll, it appears his typing skills are on a par with his (its?) intellectual capabilities - i.e., virtually non-existant - I believe he failed to hit the SHIFT key, and meant $12 billion.

We will now return you to his (its?) usual rantings...Halliburton! Halliburton !

Yeah, you are right, since (several--several--posts) above, he did say $12 billion/month. Still, I've seen these leftards pull inconceivable numbers out of their collective asses many times.

You really do not want to debate the issues do you? All you want to do is attack me. Its childish, accomplishes nothing, and prevents you from addresses what's important.

Thanks for pointing out my typo though. I am not good at typing but am relatively fast for someone who hunts and peks [is that the right expression?]

G., I could debate circles around you on these issues while you were still standing there with your index finger two knuckles deep in your nose. It's not that I don't *want* to, it's that I recognize that you are an incorrigibly ignorant asshat who intones anti-American memes by the sheer stimuli of reading the truth. You wouldn't be able to debate without emotion and lies and crazy talk, so what really is the point? I still wonder why you are here. It's obviously not to learn the truth, and it is obviously not to try to convince us through superior evidence.

>>>Hysteria is not name calling.

You said "right-wing hysteria". Couldn't you have just said "hysteria"?
By the way, I was raised as a REAL Democrat, not as a Liberal/Socialist like you!

G said: "Cheney's Halliburton "no-bid" Millions keep piling up. What a joke."

G, if you want to have any credibility at all and actually discuss issues, you will have to leave the liberal doggerel references behind and see the facts for what they are.

As to Halliburton, they received the contracts they did simply because they were the only company to bid on the projects that were needed. They had the expertise, the equipment, the manpower, and were the only company able to handle the logistics of the projects immediately - not 2 or 5 years from now like the few other bidders. They were in fact the ONLY serious bidder, and past experience with government projects (under the Clinton admin, btw) made them the logical choice.

Please stop the liberal hysteria and deliberately false information and do your homework. Try Googling Halliburton and check it out.