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Good going, Jay!

More eco-kookery: Green Moonbats to Re-Populate Eurotopia with Prehistoric 'Megafauna'.

Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my.

If only they could figure out how to repopulate it with Europeans.

excellente!

now, let's start a new fad.

like moonbattery causes testicular cancer in men and brain tumors in women...

hear, hear

nanc -

What Moonbattery causes is me to do is constantly buy more ammo...

It's a medical reaction to moon-squawk.

Jay - good job.

"Here's the news: no one really believes in global warming. No one. Laurie David claims to believes in it, but jets around the country. Would she do that if she really thought it was dooming her and everyone else? If she thought jet travel caused breast cancer, would she indulge in that regardless of the risk? Of course not. Conclusion: she doesn't really believe it either."

That is your scientific evidence? That people trying to get their message across use the available means of transportation? Isn't that the same argument as the one about rich people not being allowed to care about the poor unless they give all their money away?

So what you are saying is that until you give up all means of effecting change, you should not be allowed to speak about the issue? I think that says volumes about why you are on this board.

"Global warming advocacy is an opportunity for galloping narcissists to attract attention by striking a fashionable pose, a new wrinkle on the Hollywood award shows. Nothing more. ("I'm not an overindulged superannuated adolescent! I'm a concerned human being! Look at me, emulate me, adulate me, I'm cool! Really! All the cool people say so!")"

And therefore you end up on a board defending the opinions of those that equate Hitler with Liberals, don't believe in evolution, find atheist to be soulless lumps of flesh worthy only of destruction?

"Anthropogenic global warming is an exercise in psychology, not science."

I hate to tell you, but other than the Society of Petroleum Geologists (surprise, surprise) all major Scientific Associations are suggesting that global warming is real and that mankinds activities play a major role in it. You have no data, no hypothesis, no theory to suggest otherwise. You seem to oppose it purely based on your dislike of all things modern and liberal.

"heterosexual AIDS"

Yes that is a punchline of a joke, especially for most of Africa. They are rolling in dust with laughter, you racist prick.

In Sub-Saharan Africa in 2005 alone there were an estimated 2 million deaths and 12 million children orphaned by AIDS.

Since they are primarily black, I could see how this would seem funny to you.

i dislike most things modern and all things liberal - no problem admitting it either.

vtm - they would have died of starvation or old age - death is never funny, just something ten out of ten people eventually do.

amazing V the Moonbat accusses Jay of being racist after being the only one to bring race into the debate. And the moonbats wonder why they aren't converting and conservative to their cause.

V the M,

read up:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/4064691a6571.html

short and to the point

"meteorologist Augie Auer told the annual meeting of Mid Canterbury Federated Farmers in Ashburton this week."

Well if Augie Auer told the Mid Canterbury Federated Farmers in Ashburton, then it has to be true!

"i dislike most things modern and all things liberal - no problem admitting it either."

And that clouds your vision, my good man. Particularly since you are writing your words using Al Gores Internet (joke!) on a modern PC in the year 2007. The IT shops in California that drive all this technology are modern and (mainly) liberal. Dont you get the irony of that?

Particularly after your words of wisdom regarding people that believe in global warming should not use planes. If you dislike modern things, what the heck are you doing using a computer?

"vtm - they would have died of starvation or old age - death is never funny, just something ten out of ten people eventually do."

You said AIDS would be the punchline of a joke. Can you tell me that joke? Make sure to include a reference to the orphaned children - that always kills!

"amazing V the Moonbat accusses Jay of being racist after being the only one to bring race into the debate."

The racism was implicit in Jay's statement. That should be pretty clear to most. Although you look like your part of the 28-percenters, so that is likely to not be clear to you.

How about this: Freedom! Evildoers! Troop Surge! Baghdad is just like Indiana! Feel better now?

"And the moonbats wonder why they aren't converting and conservative to their cause."

People that are fact-resistant are tough to convert. Your views are backwards now, but imagine looking back 30 years from now. You will look positively medieval.

Thanks for the kind comments, for those who made them.

The "heterosexual AIDS" (implicitly referring to Western countries, where homosexual activists had campaigned on this premise) inclusion as the "punchline of a joke" was an oversight on my part, for which I apologize. I had started listing various scares that never materialized, but later changed the sentence to read that those scares were now punchlines to jokes (thinking mostly of killer bees, Y2K, and especially shark summer). I neglected to re-read the whole sentence, and, had I done so, would have replaced "heterosexual AIDS" with, e.g., "power lines and cancer" or "cell phones and brain cancer."

Q: How can you tell the liberal in the room?

A: He's the first one to bring up race.

"Y2K"

Trillions were spent on this issue, to fix errant code. Those trillions were not spent based on the doomsday scenarios of a few, but because businesses saw a real threat to their bottom lines. The money spent and the enourmous effort put into it fixing code averted any serious Y2K issues. Had it been ignored, the effect would have been profound. Not "Mad Max" profound, but serious problems in the financial systems of the world.

So I don't see how this is an item that fits in the "bunk scares" list.

And shark summer, killer bees etc are local problems, hardly suited to fit in the list of global scares that never came.

"I had started listing various scares that never materialized"

Even from that aspect the inclusion of AIDS was either wrong or racist. It is a very real scare for millions of people each year. The fact that you can forget about them so easily makes me question how many oversights your logic on global warming contains.

I am duly rebuked (I presume I've already been buked, so that this qualifies as a rebuke.)

V the M,

you don't bother to look at the facts do you? there's a lot of facts throughout the whole of the article. did you bother to read past the first sentence. i hope you're not arguing the contents of the atmosphere. nobody disputes that. why? because it is known. these quantities are measured and known. it is known that water vapor is approx. 95% responsible for the greenhouse effect. the other 5% is composed of all the other gases that we usually hear about. i.e. carbon dioxide.

but, im a little confused about something. perhaps you can help me clear this up. how would a change in 5% of something make any significant difference in the whole?

anon - go back and read my statement - i said MOST modernity, not all. and i NEVER said aids would be the punchline of a joke, but now that you mention it, do you know the first sign of aids?

a sharp, stabbing pain in the arse!

get your stabs in correctly and leave me out of it - i'm a woman, married to a man. as it should be.

Is it just me, or is it hot in here?

"The hysteria of those propounding it is by itself a dead giveaway."

I agree with that. They make ridiculous claims and are shocked when we laugh at them for being parodies of themselves. When so many of the doomsayers are radical, hardcore Leftists, it's hard to believe they have the best interests of any free society in mind.

Oxymoron alert: modern and liberal

Don't forget acid rain.

"Face it — global warming is a fad. Nothing more."

I would argue it's more than a fad; it's a religion. Particularly on the Left, where you have a rabid rejection of anything resembling a higher power, they must turn to something to fill the void of purpose in their lives. What better religious icon than Mother Earth?

Religions may vary, but the desire for a spiritual link to some sort of purpose larger than ourselves is universal. The global warming crowd demonstrated their crossing over into an article of faith when Gore (and David, et al) declared that "the science is settled." Science is not settled on anything, nor should it ever be. In fact, I know of no other topic so divisive and disputed as science - other than politics. No surprise they are bedfellows in this arena.

yup, global warming pretty much a religion... at least, for some people. actually, quite a few people.

looks like V the M doesn't want to argue the facts... interesting...

>>>And therefore you end up on a board defending the opinions of those that equate Hitler with Liberals, don't believe in evolution, find atheist to be soulless lumps of flesh worthy only of destruction?

V the M and Anonymous keep bringing this "point" up: that religious people are anti-science Nazis. This is NOT an argument, it's childish name-calling.

I find it amusing that the global warming crowd proselytize far more aggressively than the Evangelicals they deem to hate so much.

John,

good point. i have seen this to be true. agressiveness to the point of violence as well. (isolated, but it happens)

MoleOnBull,

they may have more in common than they care to admit...

sorry, that was me

I just always found one thing funny - the "polar bear card." How many times have we seen pictures of those poor little bears supposedly trapped on an iceberg? Answer - countless. The funny part about it - Polar bears can swim for miles. So it's on an iceberg? Whooptie freaking do!

This post was one of the best I've ever seen in response to the "galloping narcissists" hysteria over global warming.

To Van Helsing, Can I publish the text of the comment by Jay Guevera on my site, if you both agree?

Thanks, MM

Time to mention DDT again. That particular scare, which resulted in the banning of a perfectly sound insecticide for very dubious reasons with little scientific evidence - is responsible for millions of deaths each year, and a total of about 94 million deaths since 1972.

Puts the whole aids thing in perspective really. Aids is self-inflicted. The malaria deaths were inflicted by greens.

Interesting. This is the first case of a dedicated and regular troll that I've seen on this site.

MM, Fine by me.

MM, and by me. If you don't think it inappropriate, I'd appreciate your changing "heterosexual AIDS" to "powerlines and cancer," perhaps with a footnote indicating the change. That really was an oversight on my part.

V the M:

"You have no data...[yadda, &c.]"

You have perfectly described the supporting evidence for anthropogenic climate change. Watch out for those glass walls...

Jay Guevara said: "I'd appreciate your changing "heterosexual AIDS" to "powerlines and cancer,"

It's too bad that this line was ripped out of context and thrown to a different continent in order for some snarky contrarian to introduce race into the argument (q: what is a racist? a: a conservative winning an argument). The heterosexual AIDS scare in the U.S. in the mid-1980s was appalling given the paltry data to support the hysteria. Granted, I acknowledge and am sensitive to gay rights groups who were trying desperately to destigmatize mass homophobia at the time, but an agenda is an agenda is an agenda.

I still never got a moonbat answer concerning the 'coincidence' that other planets in the solar system are also warming.

It's been asked how many times now? Maybe their answer was posted in an older thread and I just missed it?

HEY! ALL YOU MAN-IS-MAKING-THE-SKY-FALL ALARMISTS!! CAN YOU HEAR ME?? I guess not. Silly liberals have developed selective hearing to go along with their history rewriting.

jimbo - methinks they're ignoring the obvious...

Jimbo, until the left can figure out a way to force socialism on other planets, they'll ignore the fact.

"The heterosexual AIDS scare in the U.S. in the mid-1980s was appalling given the paltry data to support the hysteria."

Where do you think we would be now if there had not been a huge amount of education and research poured into AIDS???

Thanks to endless amount of education effort even the most backward hick knows to wear a condom when having sex with his new date. And thanks to billions in research, we have drugs that actually make AIDS a treatable (but not cureable) disease.

What do you think would have happened if you conservatives had your way and just kept the whole thing silent?

"The heterosexual AIDS scare in the U.S. in the mid-1980s was appalling given the paltry data to support the hysteria."

Where do you think we would be now if there had not been a huge amount of education and research poured into AIDS???

Thanks to endless amount of education effort even the most backward hick knows to wear a condom when having sex with his new date. And thanks to billions in research, we have drugs that actually make AIDS a treatable (but not cureable) disease.

What do you think would have happened if you conservatives had your way and just kept the whole thing silent?

"powerlines and cancer,"

Not a good example either. There was a fear that there was a connection, scientist ran a number of studies and found that there was none. What exactly was the damage here?

"V the M and Anonymous keep bringing this "point" up: that religious people are anti-science Nazis. This is NOT an argument, it's childish name-calling."

On a site called "Moonbattery"? Yes, you guys would never resort to that....

Idiots.

"how would a change in 5% of something make any significant difference in the whole?"

How about making a 0.0001% change in your arsenic levels?

Any number of tiny changes to your blood chemistry or hormone levels would have catastrophic effects on your body. Small changes in a complex system can have big effects.

Try this experiment: Sit in a room and raise the CO2 levels to about 5%. Tell me how you feel about 1 hour later....

"Trillions were spent on this issue, to fix errant code. Those trillions were not spent based on the doomsday scenarios of a few, but because businesses saw a real threat to their bottom lines. The money spent and the enormous effort put into it fixing code averted any serious Y2K issues. Had it been ignored, the effect would have been profound. Not "Mad Max" profound, but serious problems in the financial systems of the world."

Absolutely, the people who knew there would be a problem created by antiquated code fixed the problem. All the hysteria about Y2K did not fix the problem.

Remember stuff like this?

"History offers no example of a parallel threat on a global, national or even local scale. Only the long term threats [such as]... the eventual possibility of an earth-asteroid collision demand worldwide action on a similar scale... A worldwide strategic mobilization ... similar to the effort required by World War II must be developed ..."

and this..

“Some analysts predict a turbulent time of social upheaval with starvation in some cities, no police force to protect people… and a meltdown of civilization as we know it.”

Laurie David's consumption of fuel and energy is not commesurate with her stated worry about the future environment. Neither is Al Gore's.

Like the people who quietly and efficiently fixed Y2K without all the blather from the peanut gallery about the collapse of civilization as we know it, there are people out there who are quietly trying to fix the world's real problems.

While Gore and David and Suzuki rale on about global disaster in 100 years time, the following disasters are happening right now:

4,000,000 children under the age of 5 will die each year from lung disease brought on from cooking with wood or dung without proper stoves and ventilation.

32,000 people will starve tonight and every coming night, even though obesity is an epidemic.

40,000,000 people mostly in the 3rd world have HIV-AIDS. More than 20 million have already died, and as many as 68 million more deaths are forecast by 2020. Medication that now costs about $300 per year just can't be paid for.

Malaria kills millions in 3rd world countries. It is estimated that 408,388,000 people suffer from Malaria world-wide. It kills 3,000 children every day and more than one million each year. A few billion dollars could more or less eradicate the problem in a few years, but the liberal minded eco-junkies won't allow DDT to be used. It might hurt the people, forget the fact that the malaria is killing them.

Species are at risk of extinction, not from GW but from habitat destruction, for what? To get fuel to cook to survive another day or to mow down rain forest to plant soy beans and sugar cane to make the new wonder-fuel ethanol.

Gore says that 300,000 people will die because of GW in the next 20 years. Pretty small change compared to the millions that are already dying because they can't get food, drugs, energy and pesticides. One third of the planet doesn’t have electricity. A billion people have no clean water. Half a billion people go to bed hungry every night.

But, as any good eco-lib would agree:

“This is as good a way to get rid of them as any.”
Charles Wursta, Chief Scientist for the Environmental Defence Fund.

Just in case the liberals reading this missed it, "them" refers to "all those little brown people in poor countries."

I'm a conservative type that rejects AGW, but I sure as hell care more about the problems of this planet more than Al or Laurie. All the liberal tub-thumping over AGW is not addressing today's real and vital problems.

Gore and David want us to commit to spending hundreds of trillions of dollars to delay an increase in temperature of 0.07 degrees C by 6 years, from 2050 to 2056. This will presumably save New York from drowning and save the lives of those 300,000 presumably white upper class people that Gore seems to worry so much about.

Sorry, didn't finish my thought. It should have ended thus:

Gore and David want us to commit to spending hundreds of trillions of dollars to delay an increase in temperature of 0.07 degrees C by 6 years, from 2050 to 2056. This will presumably save New York from drowning and save the lives of those 300,000, presumably white upper class, people that Gore seems to worry so much about. But it won’t do anything to avoid the hundreds of millions of deaths from the diseases of poverty.

"Absolutely, the people who knew there would be a problem created by antiquated code fixed the problem. All the hysteria about Y2K did not fix the problem."

Correct, the hysteria was generated by the media - not the engineers and coders. But the fact is that leaving Y2k unresolved would have caused a great mess. Same is true for Global Warming.

"I'm a conservative type that rejects AGW"

What specifically are you rejecting? It's existence?

Interesting. I am willing to support an advocacy campaign that is in support of global warming but I think that the issue has been muddied. Politics has taken our attention off the real issue. The issue is not whether global warming is real or not. Conserving our planet is more important than debating about the genuineness of global warming.