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The puritanical left-liberal push to eliminate all joy from life continues unabated.

but what if this guy really is abusing his animals? Are there NO limits to how we may treat them? It seems to me that there is a line. Don't knwo if it's been crossed here, but where would you draw it?

For God's sake, Westerberg.

Jay, please don't say that to Westerberg. It will only lead to yet another thread being hijacked by the "is there or is there not a God" theme.

I don't know if Farmer John abuses animals or not. However a lawsuit by animal activists, whose goal is to stop all animal consumption and animal captivity for any reason, is not what I would consider proof in and of itself.

Pam, good point. Make it "For Gaia's sake," in this case.

Maybe this latest drive was started as an attempt to free Lynne Stewart from confinement. She may not be pregnant or nursing, but she qualifies otherwise.

Amen, Pam. The lie of PETA is that they're about animal ethics. They're not. They're about a bunch of hippie con artists who've figured out how to make a rather good living off of attention-whoring and collecting donations from left-wing saps.

I would draw "the line" around IDIOTS like westerburg for the sake of public safty against THE INSANE.

Go back to your "panic room", westerburg. It's obvious that you can't handle REAL LIFE!

The article says that confinement of pregnant and nursing pigs is cruel. That's part of California anti-cruelty laws? What I see is just another organization that's making noise so they can raise money. Please, confinement of pregnant and nursing pigs! You'd think Farmer John was skinning them alive or something.

although the mere thought of eating a hotdog is completely repulsive to me (i know how they're made), i see no reason why those who want to eat them cannot.

bunch of freakin' pests peta!

it's called survival of the fittest - for crying out loud - we have canines in our mouthes, crying out for meat!

California has anti-cruelty laws. If someone violates these laws, shouldn't they be held accountable? I only asked you all where the line is drawn between decent treatment of animals and cruelty. I ASKED FOR YOUR OPINION ON THIS MATTER, and again I'm subject to personal attack. I MADE NO JUDGEMENT with regard to this case. But it continues to be obvious that you people CANNOT read and/or cannot actually comprehend what you read. I VERY CLEARLY indicated that I was UNSURE if Farmer John had done anything wrong.

As evidenced by most posts and responses here you people are prone to jumping to hysterical conclusions and put words into people's mouths over and over again. You seem to only see what you want to see.

Shame that dialogue is impossible with your kind.

Meanwhile Ole' Nanc claims we have "dogs" in our mouth? hysterical. Do you know what canine means Nanc? I assume your talking about teeth. I don't know how teeth can "cry out" for meat, but I think I follow.

However, I am not advocating vegetarianism. How anyone could come close to that conlusion based on what i wrote is well beyond me.

I love meat, i love baseball, and I love hotdogs.

Organizations like the Humane Society and the ASPCA have been carrying on the respectable work of animal welfare for generations. PETA is just street theater, a scam that lets those who run the organization avoid real work while a bunch of hippy-dip volunteers raise money to support their lifestyles.

Yeah, but what do the mooslims think of cruelty to nursing pigs?

Hot dogs are made made discarded pig parts and blended into paste resembling a pink milkshake. Dont eat those nasty things any more. Saw a video on how those things are made and havent eaten one since.

The boys and I ordered hot dogs from Allen Brothers ($60 for a pack of 20) the last time we had our ward missionaries over for dinner. Food of the gods.

From The American Veterinary Medical Association's website:

Pregnant Sow Housing
(Current as of June 2005)

Pregnant sows (including gilts) are kept in a variety of production systems. The industry has moved toward gestation stall (crate) housing, because gestation stalls increase caregiver productivity, require lower capital investment, and are easier to manage than some indoor group housing systems.

..................

Health — The rate of sow injury is reduced in gestation stall housing compared with group housing.

This is a no-brainer to anyone who has ever dealt with pigs (wild or domesticated) as their aggression is legendary.

Sorry- this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I couldn't resist commenting on Westerberg's first post: "What if this guy really is abusing his animals?" Wester old man, Farmer John is a large old-time national meat marketing corporation specializing in such things as bacon and sausage- not some guy on a hog farm who sells his home-made weiners to Dodger Stadium from his wagon. :D

Toa, thanks for the chuckle! I can just see "Farmer John" standing outside Dodger Stadium behind his cart..."Get yer red hots here!" and single-handedly catering to the thousands who see games there.

of course I realize this Toa. I was speaking figuartively. Jesus, you have to be so literal to communicate anything to you people.

And hey Pam, refered to him the same way earlier in this thread. Why no chuckling at her?

"you people" "you people" You talk like a RACIST!

FUCK OFF WESTERBURG, I'm sick of your crap!

There you go again, Westy...refering to "him" instead of "the company". All Pam said was "Farmer John", not "this guy".

Pam- Much obliged! I've been having trouble with this all day...making mental pictures of old Farmer John and his brutal hot-dog operation in which he mistreats his pigs (sounds like you've had some of the same problem :D). Boy, he sure must have a heck of a team of horses, that he can navigate that wagon on them L.A. freeways during baseball season!?!

Okay, I don't want to start an all-out battle, and please don't challenge me to fist-i-cuffs, but I think I agree with what westerberg was originally saying...

...that if there really is animal cruelty going on, it should be stopped. Personally, I think the idea of groups like PETA is a GOOD thing. Unfortunately they, and others like them, seem to get off track way too much.

First off, don't ban hot dogs because of this, instead, make him fix his situation (if it's true), or switch vendors. And I say "if it's true"...unfortunately it may be that this group is merely targeting Farmer John, and had already decided they would find SOMEthing wrong.

Too often it seems the animals are merely a pawn in some game by radicals to control events and interject a far-left philosophy, often giving human characteristics to animals of all kinds. For example, it might be cruel to confine a pregnant or nursing sow in a pen that's just way too small, but when they protest a hog calling contest, I really doubt the pigs feel bad about that situation.

I really wish PETA and other animal rights groups would take themselves more seriously, because society really NEEDS groups like that. Have they put an end to the mass graves of greyhounds in the deserts outside Vegas? Have they shut down all the puppy mills? Have they educated people enough that it's not okay to put kittens in a sack with rocks and throw them in the river (as opposed to fixing the cats in the first place)? If they haven't solved these real problems, don't blather on about how a father taking his son fishing is actually a murderer.

Got off track a bit. Kudos to anyone who read this far.”

NudeGay: I wholeheartedly agree with you on all points. However, as you state, many animal rights groups have been hijacked by people who espouse a radical leftwing agenda that they want to enforce on the rest of us. Therefore, whenever I see a story like this one, I am naturally skeptical of the charges. Of course, Farmer John may very well be guilty of animal cruelty. But I'll let the jury sift through the evidence to decide that.

And Toa, glad you enjoyed the imagery!

Hey NudeGayWhales..

Thanks for an intelligent reasoned response. The first one I've seen here.

Westerberg, no decent person supports cruelty to animals. The point is that the moonbats have levelled an accusation without substantiating it, which is irresponsible, and invites the conclusion that they did so recklessly just to advance their agenda. The burden of proof lies upon those making the accusation, not upon the accused.

Jay, read my comments in this thread. Your reply has nothing to do with what I was asking.

Anyway,

It's up to a JUDGE to decide if the plantiffs recklessly brought these charges forward after looking at the EVIDENCE. Not you. thankfully.

It's amazing, you always seem privy to information that the rest of us aren't. You've got it all sussed, after reading about three highly biased paragraphs on the case.

What is it about fair trails, and judicial procedure that you have a problem with? I guess, there really is no point to them-we could just let you come in and say "off with their heads" or something and that'd be the end of it.

What's truly amazing is that 'westerberg', one of the most tendentious and smug little brats I've encountered on the interwebtubenets, is calling someone else a knowitall...westerberg, who lectures in every smug sentence that he writes.

As if choosing the name 'westerberg' wasn't laden enough with affective, arrested adolescent symbolism, almost every comment I've seen you make in a couple of years consists of "Why is this even worth writing about? What you should be concerned with is what I find worthy of thought.". Like the tired songs of a guy who sold out to Disney Corp.

It's beyond childish of you, but I think you know that, don't you?

Instead of writing your own articles, all you seem to be interested in doing is taunting people you feel intellectually superior to. Maybe we'll go have a look at your blog, eh?

Farvel, little buddy!