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March 5, 2007

The Great Global Warming Swindle

Cracks in the phony global warming "consensus" are becoming increasingly visible. It took ten years to get it commissioned, but on Thursday Britain's Channel 4 will air "The Great Global Warming Swindle," a documentary featuring eminent scientists who believe anthropogenic climate change to be a lie that hurts the world's poor.

As explained in the film, higher CO2 levels do not cause global warming; it works the other way around. Warmer weather causes more CO2 to be released by the oceans. This phenomenon takes awhile, which is why spikes in CO2 come an average of 800 years after warming trends begin.

Another inconvenient truth ignored by global warming fanatics is the fact that temperatures actually cooled between 1940 and the mid 1970s, during a period of rapid industrialization that should have resulted in global warming, according to their bogus theories. This is why Al Gore and his media friends were telling us in the 70s that we were headed for an ice age.

Also revealed: the ballyhooed report of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is a sham that was finalized by bureaucratic lackeys, and lists among its supporters the names of scientists who resigned because they disagree with its findings.

Kool-Aid–guzzlers will claim that opposition research is funded by sinister Big Oil. Actually, the sinister funder of pseudo-scientific propaganda is Big Government, which provides billions of dollars for climate research with the unspoken stipulation that scientists are expected to pretend global warming theory is valid. Gary Calder, a former editor of New Scientist, has this take on the way government money has corrupted science:

I don't come from any political position and I'm certainly not funded by the multinationals, although my bank manager would like me to be. I talk to scientists and come up with one story, and Al Gore talks to another set of scientists and comes up with a different story. So knowing which scientists to talk to is part of the skill. Some, who appear to be disinterested, are themselves getting billions of dollars of research money from the government. The few millions of dollars of research money from multinationals can't compare to government funding, so you find the American scientific establishment is all for man-made global warming. We have the same situation in Britain.

As usual, moonbattery is indulged in at a price paid by the world's most vulnerable. Africans have been reduced to burning highly unhealthy fires in their homes because of pressure on their governments to goof around with wind and solar panels instead of meeting energy needs. Even Greenpeace cofounder Patrick Moore admits:

Environmentalists have romanticized peasant life, but this is anti-human. They are saying the world's poorest people should have the world's most expensive form of form of energy — really saying they can't have electricity.

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London, hopes the film will be the beginning of the end for global warming hysteria:

At the moment, there is almost a McCarthyism movement in science where the greenhouse effect is like a puritanical religion and this is dangerous.

Hopefully, the danger is beginning to pass. According to a recent Gallop poll, only 31% think that Gore, the Jim Jones of global warming, has a good shot at the White House.

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The Goracle's cult is losing traction.

Posted by Van Helsing at March 5, 2007 7:35 AM

Comments

31% of Americans are seriously deluded if they think that Gore even has a chance.

Gore was looked inept when DiCaprio teased him about running for president at the Academy Awards ceremony. He was in on the joke but it was so pathetic. I couldnt even laugh because I was actually embarrassed for Gore.

Posted by: Freedom Now at March 5, 2007 10:23 AM

Is it just me, or does Algore look more and more like Madeline Albright with each passing day?

Posted by: Jimbo at March 5, 2007 10:38 AM

I appreciate this perspective on the global warming issue because it's so different from most other discussions on the subject.
I think it should be noted that while evidence for global warming is ambiguous on earth, the Greenhouse Effect caused by carbon dioxide is a strong theory. The temperature on Venus for example is much higher (890°F) than would be expected if its atmosphere wasn't over 90% carbon dioxide.

Posted by: Maria at March 5, 2007 11:31 AM

But for the real fanatics (like the trolls who've been posting in the recent Manbearpig threads), there is a larger goal than making money.

"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group’s conclusion is "no." The rich countries won’t do it. They won’t change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about? This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about an economic collapse." -- Maurice Strong, secretary general, 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development

Posted by: V the K at March 5, 2007 11:43 AM

Venus's atmosphere is 97.00% CO2, rest is mostly Nitrogen while CO2 on Earth is less than .04%, plus Venus has a much more dense atmosphere - 90 times that of Earth, so there is physically more gas even though Earth and Venus are similar in size. The pressure itself generates heat along with the fact it rotates so slowly it takes a little over a year on Venus to complete 1 day on Venus. Being closer to the Sun doesnt help matters either.

The biggest Greenhouse gas on Earth by far is Water Vapor.

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html

Maybe Global Warming is Argon or Neons fault or perhaps Helium!

Posted by: General Jack D. Ripper at March 5, 2007 12:01 PM

So the basic premise here is this:

Environmentalists want to harm poor people. Seemingly just for the spite of it, since they wont profit from it in any way.

The oil industry on the other hand, which has been raking in billions in profits, would like us to continue consuming as much oil as possible because it has only our best interest at heart.

Sounds very believable.

Posted by: batman at March 5, 2007 12:05 PM

No, the oil companies don't care about our best interest, nor should anyone expect them too. They exist to supply a demand for a commodity, and to supply it by the most efficient possible means.

As for the motivations of environmentalists, they run the gamut. Obviously, there are those like Gore who stand to profit richly if governments mandate schemes that will enrich their companies. There are also cadres of scientists who know that "Global Warming" studies are like an ATM card for grant money. There are also organizations like Greenpeace and the Sierra Club, filled with people who would have to get real jobs if they couldn't use the threat of Manbearpig to shakedown the donation tree.

But, mostly, environmental extremists are poorly educated people with hyper-inflated egos, who don't bother to think through the consequences of their positions because they don't care about anything but feeling good about themselves. The slick marketing of the eco-left sells 'environmental consciousness' as a new form of morality, enabling those who buy into environmental moonbattery to purchase enhanced self-esteem.

As for poor brown people, the left has never given a damn about them. The left wallowed in smug after securing American defeat in Vietnam, never mind the genocide that followed. Three million dead g**ks was a small price to pay for smug liberals getting to gloat over American defeat.

Posted by: V the K at March 5, 2007 12:34 PM

The abundance of carbon dioxide on venus increases its temperature 720°F from what would be expected by its proximity to the sun alone. (to clarify my previous post)

Posted by: Maria at March 5, 2007 1:09 PM

"They exist to supply a demand for a commodity, and to supply it by the most efficient possible means."

And does that efficiency include funding for dubious publications casting doubt on global warming to enhance their profits? Or paying off lobbyists to influence our leaders to give them more money in a time of record-breaking profits? That's not very efficient for *us*, the American People, is it now?

"There are also cadres of scientists who know that "Global Warming" studies are like an ATM card for grant money."

They could make far more money as paid researchers for the oil industry, just like the tobacco institute 'scientists' did. Money is therefore not the issue - so why are they doing it?

BTW, remember how the "debate" on cigarette smoking turned out?

"But, mostly, environmental extremists are poorly educated people"

Hmmm, this coming from people who do not believe in evolution and distrust science as a whole. How can environmentalists be poorly educated if they know what major scientists are agreeing on? Or should a good education lead them to believing in the ideas of fringe groups, such as the tobacco institute, global warming enemies and holocaust deniers?

"with hyper-inflated egos, who don't bother to think through the consequences of their positions because they don't care about anything but feeling good about themselves."

Sounds like a perfect definition of Bush and the whole Neocon gang.

"As for poor brown people, the left has never given a damn about them. "

As a response, let me quote one of your posters:

"Wetback employees are almost as disease ridden as manure can be." by Verist

Posted by: batman at March 5, 2007 1:29 PM

Don't bother arguing with moonbatman, he's not the least bit interested in the truth.

I agree the left, as a political machine, has little or no interest in helping the poor peoples of the earth, that's just their catch, their gimmick to get to power. Those poor people will support them and vote for them in droves, hoping to better their own situation through government mandated bribes in the form of various social welfare programs.

I know many people, individuals, on the left are very concerned about helping the poor and downtrodden, but unfortunately they get caught up in these conspiracy theories about Bush and big oil and imperialism and capitalist-caused global warming, and often end up doing more harm that good by supporting dictators or other baddies who use them to gain attention and support, but are themselves keeping their own people poor while living extravagant lifestyles.

Lets face it, the richest countries in the world will always be more free-market-oriented, and will always end up supporting to some extant the non-free, poor countries of the world. This global warming hype, and all the money involved, is just another way the anti-Americans hope to even the playing field.

And most Democrats, moonbatman included, simply follow their leader because that's what their professor told them to do.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at March 5, 2007 1:37 PM

Acknowledged, NGWFJ, my remark was directed at people who are capable of reasoning and logic. I wouldn't expect bats to understand.

Meanwhile, the people that people like bats think really do care, the socialists who want health care for everybody, are doing a bang-up job with the NHS in Britain, where they're removing lightbulbs and telling nurses to go without pay, while finding money to pay shamans to engage in quackery.

Yes, we would all be so much better off in a world run by compassionate liberal bureaucrats.

Posted by: V the K at March 5, 2007 1:43 PM

I don't own a TV but it's shows like this that make me wish I did. I wonder how long it'll be before it's out on DVD.

Posted by: kevin at March 5, 2007 2:27 PM

V the K, that was one scary article you linked to. Since I currently work for a health insurance company (although not in any kind of policy-making capacity), I cannot in good conscience write much about healthcare on my own blog, but like to comment about it elsewhere. Might I also ask why anyone would want government-run healthcare for everyone when we hear of the mess at the VA?

My question to those who claim healthcare is a right is this: if all the doctors, nurses, and other healthcare professionals quit today, what would happen to your right to healthcare?

Posted by: Pam at March 5, 2007 2:35 PM

"Those poor people will support them and vote for them in droves, hoping to better their own situation through government mandated bribes in the form of various social welfare programs."

Not true, of course. The blue states are the wealthier ones, the poorer ones are voting conservative.

"And most Democrats, moonbatman included, simply follow their leader because that's what their professor told them to do."

While you follow your leaders by listening to industry sponsored "research" and conservative fringe elements and then voting against your own interests.

"Acknowledged, NGWFJ, my remark was directed at people who are capable of reasoning and logic. I wouldn't expect bats to understand."

The problem is that you haven't displayed any reason or logic. You have yet to show me how industry sponsored "research" is more believable than mainstream science.

These are your points to date:

1) We cant trust the oil industry, but that is not the issue (yes it is!)
2) Scientist are only out for the grant money and will say anything that our government, who is secretly anti-capitalist and anti-American, wants to hear (do you realize how dumb that sounds?)
3) Environmentalists are poorly educated, because they do not listen to fringe groups
4) Leftist don't care about brown people

How on earth is that reason and logic?????

Posted by: Anonymous at March 5, 2007 2:42 PM

Oh, and another great argument against global warming, supplied by VK:

5) Healthcare in GB is in bad shape.

See how stupid the environmentalists are: Even the British nurses are suffering because of the global warming hype!

Your "logic and reasoning" is indeed hard to match...

Posted by: batman at March 5, 2007 2:46 PM

batman and any others:
I was there when modern Liberalism was invented so that they would not feel guilty about the civil rights problem. It was and still is, all about "feeling guilty". Liberals hear bad news, feel guilty about it and do "something" (read "ANYTHING") about it so that they will "feel good about THEMSELVES". It's all about THEMSELVES and if somebody gets hurt, that's the "fault" of the "evil ones" who are not like themselves.

Grow up and face the fact that SOME of the world's problems are NOT YOUR FAULT. Also, you should realise that there are some things that you can do NOTHING about and no amount of accusations, demands and insults will change that.
We WANT people who are willing to help others, but moonbattery is only making things worse!

Posted by: KHarn at March 5, 2007 3:05 PM

Uh, please note that I didn't capitalise "moonbattery" in my post above. I was NOT talking about this site.

Posted by: KHarn at March 5, 2007 3:22 PM

"Liberals hear bad news, feel guilty about it and do "something" (read "ANYTHING") about it so that they will "feel good about THEMSELVES". It's all about THEMSELVES and if somebody gets hurt, that's the "fault" of the "evil ones" who are not like themselves."

Is this in opposition to conservatives, who hear bad news and then do nothing about it? How is that a positive trait in a person?

"Grow up and face the fact that SOME of the world's problems are NOT YOUR FAULT."

And what about those problems that are, or those that will have I direct impact on us? Should I ignore them simply because it is more convenient?

Posted by: batman at March 5, 2007 3:24 PM

Moonbatman:


Big oil does not fund studies intended to disprove global warming hysteria--dubious or otherwise. You are repeating a left-wing canard.


Try to prove your claim.

Posted by: verist at March 5, 2007 8:17 PM

We hear a lot about conspiracies involving oil companies. Lets get something straight, we are all 'in' on the oil "conspiracy".

Almost everyone commenting on this blog is using electricity that is probably generated by oil. Many are using heating systems that are powered by oil. Most of us drive a car to work that is powered by oil. The vast majority of us cook our food on appliances that are fueled by oil. Our lighting, stereos, TVs, air conditioning and public utilities are generated largely by oil.

If you hate the oil companies so much, why are you still a slave to their product? You sound like a bunch of junkies complaining about dope.

Either you lack willpower -or- you are using oil companies as a convenient scapegoat -or- both...

Posted by: Freedom Now at March 5, 2007 11:09 PM

Google friends of science for some unemotional reasoning and solid fact by volentary and squeeky clean well credenchaled scientists on the subject of global warming.The left wing nut are suicidal wich i can live with.Its just that when they take down western civilization im afraid they will take a lot of inocents with them

Posted by: boo2u at March 5, 2007 11:19 PM

the bizarre thing is, al gore has received 3 or 4 awards for that piece of trash he put together...i think he's lost more than a little credibility from the leaking facts about his power-guzzling lifestyle (in more ways than one)
he'll be history, but there'll always be one more puppet on the leftie podium and there's a fool born every minute to adore him/her there

Posted by: Dee at March 6, 2007 3:25 AM

Unbelievably I discovered while surfing the net that Gore has won at least three (possibly more) awards. You have to wonder who is handing out those awards and what makes them tick. It's uncanny how the left has an instinct for what is ridiculous, what is a lie and what is downright bad! (All three of which describe Gore's little piece of cinematic idiocacy)
I think Gore has lost credibility with his following since the revelation of his personal power-guzzling (and I mean that in both senses of the word!)
Keep up the good fight, blogosphere! :)

Posted by: Dee at March 6, 2007 3:35 AM

17 degrees this morning in the National Capital Region --- 20 degrees below normal. Forecasts call for cold weather to continue for the rest of the week.

Thanks, Manbearpig.

Posted by: V the K at March 6, 2007 5:33 AM

The IPCC report was released during the first days of the worst six weeks of weather in several decades. While the UN, Al, and the media jabbered about how hot it was getting, the rest of the northern hemisphere was digging out of blizzards, enduring colder temperatures than any in recent memory (this was the worst run of continuous low temperatures I have seen personally since the infamous "ice age winter" of 1975), and in some cases simply trying to live through it. Europe was hit by killer blizzards, one of which shut down all of southeastern England. Japan, China, and Korea suffered bone-chilling readings. Cambodia was treated to temperatures of an unthinkable 40 degrees Fahrenheit, prompting the distribution of blankets to the poor. The central and northern U.S. went through weeks of below-freezing temperatures, (two and half weeks here in western PA), with much of the rest of the country enduring less than normal levels. Excessive snow, often reaching blizzard heights, added to everyone's pleasure. Some are still going fighting their way through it - on March 1, Governor Culver declared all of Iowa a disaster area after an extra foot of snow fell in one 24-hour period.

Says it all.

Posted by: V the K at March 6, 2007 6:53 AM

"Try to prove your claim."

Sure, after you prove yours that the vast majority of mainstream scientists is being coerced by a powerful lobby of hippies and tree-huggers.

"Says it all."

Only for those who do not comprehend the difference between "weather" and "climate".

Posted by: batman at March 6, 2007 8:24 AM

Look out, big oil is coming to get me!! ahhh!!!!

Reminds me of one of those crazies standing on the streetcorners raving about how aliens implanted something in his brain. But no one believes in aliens like they did back in the 50's, so the batties have invented a new global scare, and it's caused by...guess who!?

Big Oil Companies!!

Really, it fits the bill. Bush and Cheney are linked to it, it represents western decadence, and it's run by huge capitalistic conglomerates. So the weak-minded moonbats eat it up!!

I know vegans who abhor hurting any animal and tell us how evil we are, yet wear leather shoes. Same thought process.

Don't stop batman, you are not only entertaining, but reinforcing what we already believe about the far left.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at March 6, 2007 8:56 AM

Let me say it again, NGWFJ

The left says there's no such thing as Global Jihad, it's just an excuse to silence dissent, expand government, diminish individual rights, and funnel money to well-connected corporations.

The left's answer to Global Warming: silence dissent, expand government, diminish individual rights, and funnel money to well-connected corporations (like Al Gore's Carbon Trading Business).

Posted by: V the K at March 6, 2007 9:17 AM

Only for those who do not comprehend the difference between "weather" and "climate".

Every "unusually" warm month, season or weather event is trumpted as more proof that global warming is here and set to kill us all, or something, yet when others start pointing to unusually cool weather a possible indicators to the contrary events they're ridiculed for not knowing the difference between weather and climate. Well, if you can engage in that game then so can everyone else.

Posted by: Archonix at March 6, 2007 9:20 AM

"Look out, big oil is coming to get me!! ahhh!!!!"

You are right. We should completely trust companies whose profits depend on us pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, when they tell us that this will do no harm.

Just like we could trust Big Tobacco when they told us that smoking was healthy. How dumb are you guys???

"Don't stop batman, you are not only entertaining, but reinforcing what we already believe about the far left."

Which is that they clearly outdo you in the logic and reasoning department? You and Verist are certainly doing your part to make the right look bad.

"Well, if you can engage in that game then so can everyone else."

I don't engage in that game, neither are scientists. Media and politicians may be, but you cant conclude that therefore there is no global warming. You have to be smarter than that...

Posted by: batman at March 6, 2007 10:26 AM

batman,
In your posts you write as though you know that the oil companies are trying to deceive the public about global warming. You've been challenged to back up your claims with facts. You must have example after example. Let us know what you know. I would think you'd be happy to impart your knowledge with the rest of us. If not then I must ask, what are you doing posting at this website? Just trying to give people a bad time?

Again I say, let us know what you know about the oil companies.

Posted by: kevin at March 6, 2007 10:31 AM

"You've been challenged to back up your claims with facts."

Mainstream science agrees with the global warming thesis. It is the followers of this site that believe in a global conspiracy which is suppressing the truth. I think it is *you* that have to supply some facts first - since I already have just about everyone agreeing with me!

Posted by: batman at March 6, 2007 11:44 AM

Based on the evidence I have read I have come to the conclusion that

1) climate change happens. Deal with it,
2) Our actual influence on climate via CO2 emissions is negligible, at best, simply because they are so miniscule in comparison to the total carbon cycle, which is itself rather insignificant compared to the total content of the atmosphere,
3) A model does exactly what you program it to do.

I also quickly reached the conclusion that pretty much every "solution" mooted by NGOs such as greenpeace, people like Gore and the scientists behind the alleged scientific consensus are all really just variations of the same theme: "you're all doomed, give me your money." This was a well-rehearsed refrain right before the reformation period of the roman church, and is a popular sentiment amongst governments and organisations wishing to increase the power of the state. In short, all these solutions have no benefit but plenty of immediate costs. But, what the hell, it's an opportunity to tax the plebs and convince them you're saving their souls...

Posted by: Archonix at March 6, 2007 11:57 AM

"I also quickly reached the conclusion that pretty much every "solution" mooted by NGOs such as greenpeace, people like Gore and the scientists behind the alleged scientific consensus are all really just variations of the same theme: "you're all doomed, give me your money."

Right. How are suggestions to conserve, invent, recycle equal to "give me your money"? Your conclusions are obviously flawed.

Posted by: batman at March 6, 2007 12:27 PM

The thread that would not die...

I'd say batman is probably a conservative, and a kid, who's just messing around.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at March 6, 2007 12:30 PM

Batman,
You say I have to provide facts? I don't have any facts. Never said I knew anything. Never claimed to know anything. You're the one that claims to know things. I'm trying to learn. I don't know anything but I want to know what you know. The oil companies are engaged in some kind of conspiracy to counter the CO2 theories of global warming? Tell us about it. What do you know?

Posted by: kevin at March 6, 2007 1:58 PM

Kevin, it's just that you haven't succumbed to the cult of liberalism like batty has. He might just be jealous that you're above the peer pressure which caused him, and most of his liberal friends to join the club. Although he'll cherry pick and throw bit and pieces, (and even create his own context) don't hold your breath waiting for him to come up with facts. He argues with the intent of implying stigmatisms, hoping you'll back away from what is politically incorrect. It's the liberal way.

Posted by: MB at March 6, 2007 2:44 PM

Yup, conformity is a double edged sword.

Posted by: Freedom Now at March 6, 2007 2:56 PM

Correction?
stigmatisms = stigmas
I think one has to do with eye sight.

Posted by: MB at March 6, 2007 3:08 PM

"I don't have any facts. Never said I knew anything. Never claimed to know anything."

Then why are you here? What could you possibly add to the discussion?

Posted by: batman at March 6, 2007 3:30 PM

batman;
You use made-up "quotes" many times, pick and choose partial sentences from others' posts and REFUSE to enter into an HONEST debate answering questions put to you, instead you make demands and sneer at the reasoning of those who disagree with you. Why should YOU even bother to post here?

PS: We don't HATE you, we PITY you.

Posted by: KHarn at March 6, 2007 4:28 PM

I'm just posting here to keep the comments going.

Enjoy!

Posted by: Freedom Now at March 6, 2007 8:24 PM

Batman wrote "Then why are you here? What could you possibly add to the discussion?"

I keep on asking you to answer a simple question and you don't. How come? You're the one that is claiming to know something. I'm all ears. Seems like a simple thing for you to answer.

Posted by: kevin at March 6, 2007 8:38 PM

Good Gosh! This is going to be the longest thread yet.

VH, what's the record again?

You guys must realize that this batman person is just messing with you. Let it go. He's obviously making stuff up, not answering questions, and avoiding being pinned down because he's just a kid who's having some fun.

If he really had a point he would have come out with clear, hard quotes and proof. But he doesn't because he probably doesn't even know the topic under discussion.

Seriously, when Kevin told him point blank to just tell us how he knows these conspiracy theories are real, instead of answering the question he purposely tried to turn it around to ask how Kevin was adding to the discussion.

It's blatant that he (or she) is simply playing a game. A nickel says he made up every bit of stuff as he was typing it.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at March 6, 2007 9:34 PM

NGWFJ, Yes, you're right. It's what I expected but people can be full of surprises and sometimes be more than meets the eye. But not Batman. He's all hot air. I'll drop it.

Posted by: kevin at March 6, 2007 9:56 PM

NGWFJ:

We've still got a ways to go to reach the record. It's 294 comments.

Posted by: Van Helsing at March 7, 2007 7:38 AM

Oh yeah, I remember that whole incident. Man, just looking back over that old argument...I feel like I need a shower, and a cold beer.

What a God-awful mess THAT was.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at March 7, 2007 10:18 AM

I really don't understand your points. I have read all these posts and batman has been answering all your questions and you simply keep saying he is a stupid liberal. He has backed up all his arguments with fact and reasoning. Whereas you lot are idiotic, simply responding with childish name calling. It's we who pity you. I don't know enough about this subject to argue over it but batman has been finding flaws in your ideas and you clearly can't stand that.

I do know one of the people who spoke on the program was a co-founder of greenpeace, who also appeared on Penn and Tellers show. They also made a programme about how smoking doesn't harm your health and shouldn't be banned. (BTW I am a smoker)

As far as I can tell this programme was made to be controversial. It is an extreme view and their are extreme views on both sides and the truth is probably somewhere in between.

Posted by: GayLiberalAnarchist at March 8, 2007 3:30 PM

If you missed the documentary, you can get it here.

The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://www.mininova.org/tor/612593

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3635222/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

here is another one

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3635143/Channel_4_-_The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle.avi

Posted by: max at March 9, 2007 2:38 PM

Holy Cow! No one has touched this thread for several days.

This comment pushed it up to 50 comments.

Let me be the devil's advocate...

"Big Oil is lying to you. Since they have the same point of view as everyone here, that is proof that you are all brainwashed.

As a matter of fact, whenever you have an idea that is not leftwing, it means that you are brainwashed. If you want moonbats to stop saying that you are brainwashed then please just agree with them.

You will make it much easier on yourselves.

Moonbats dont have to prove that their research is correct, they just have to "prove" that you are brainwashed."

Its really quite fascinating...

Posted by: Freedom Now at March 11, 2007 5:30 AM

Here is an url that you can send to friends and family that will direct them to the video "The Great Global Warming Swindle".

http://gorelied.notlong.com

For more information on the documentary you can go here.

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html

Posted by: Sean at March 11, 2007 5:44 AM

This blog is so laughable. You pro-pollution apologists cling your entire case on a hopelessly inept documentary. Wow your case is hopelessly weaker than I thought.

Posted by: Jack Ryan at March 13, 2007 10:01 PM

Sneering at each other is no way to prove a point, Jack.

Fully referenced, peer reviewed, studies are the way. But the material produced to support the "Global Warming Is Caused By Man Made CO2" hypothesis, still has significant work to do before it can become the "received wisdom" that the proponents already ascribe to it. If this is what politicians (of both sides of the political divide) and hard left pressure groups (eg greenpiece) make of science, then they should not be allowed anywhere near science.



Does anyone remember the greenpiece action about Shell's plan to dump an oil rig at sea, and how they forced the company to bring it ashore and to dismantle it on land. Greenpiece were making all sorts of claims about the nature and quantity of toxic and harmful substances on board. When it was brought ashore, Shell's science was proven correct. Greenpiece had deliberately misused science yet again. That was not the first lie that they had propagated.

Posted by: Jeff at March 15, 2007 3:29 AM